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Sunday, March 9, 2014

The Sunday Morning News

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Malaysia Airlines Plane: Still missing.

Mammoth Tusks! On display at the Burke Museum for a limited time only. Go see 'em!

2014 Seattle Bike Map: It's out! Go get your cycle on!

Between 750-1200 Jailed Immigrants Are On Hunger Strike in Tacoma: The precise count of detainees striking depends on who you believe, but it's a huge number either way. They're protesting conditions inside the facility and deportations. Let's remember that undocumented immigrants don't make free choices—many of them were forced here by circumstances beyond their control. From a review of anthropologist Seth Holmes' new book on migrant farmworkers:

The introductory chapter, titled ‘Worth Risking Your Life?’, reflects a question Holmes sees written on the wall of a church in a border-crossing town. With this vivid account, he exposes the way that such a question, and the subsequent framing of border crossing as an individual choice, masks the reality of Triqui migrants. For them, staying in Oaxaca without opportunities to acquire work, food, or education creates a situation where not crossing the border is the greater risk.

They’re Only 'Illegals' If They’re Brown: If you're white and Christian and fleeing secular schools, you've evidently got a far better chance of getting asylum than if you're economically or violently displaced from Mexico.

Saturday Marked International Women's Day: In Mexico City, a woman named Yakiri Rubio who allegedly killed one of her rapists in self-defense (grabbing a knife and slashing his throat) is facing murder charges. Nick Kristof looks at a strikingly similar case involving domestic violence here at home. A woman is as likely to die in childbirth in the US as a woman in Iran, and four times as likely as a woman in Germany—our maternal mortality rate is rising rather than going down.

Today In the Surveillance State: How the government conspired to spy on itself.

Them's Fighting Words from the Houston Mayor: "Uber cannot threaten me in any way. I had people threatening to shoot me in the seventies, there’s not anything that Uber as an entity can do that will intimidate me."

Don't ever change, Seattle:


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NotSean 1
In case it is missed, Goldy's Bible study:
Posted by NotSean on March 9, 2014 at 9:07 AM · Report this
Meanwhile in socialist utopia:…
Posted by john cocktosin 22 on March 9, 2014 at 9:33 AM · Report this
@1: did he finally get fired or something?
Posted by MRM on March 9, 2014 at 9:33 AM · Report this
ferret 4
@1 I think we all do. I will continue to read SLOG, but there is a huge hole with the absence of Goldy.
Posted by ferret http://!/okojo hide on March 9, 2014 at 9:49 AM · Report this
GMO label freaks are on the Safeway property doing that ? I say turn the hoses on the hippies and march them over to a few science classes at Seattle Central Community College to see why most of their "concerns" are ignorant.
Posted by ChefJoe on March 9, 2014 at 9:56 AM · Report this
TVDinner 6
Oi, and in front of a Wells Fargo, no less. If ever a place needed picketing...(or a barrel of tar and another of feathers).
Posted by TVDinner http:// on March 9, 2014 at 10:14 AM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 7
You're only illegal if you're Brown. WTF. No you're illegal when you break immigration laws. The White German Militant Christianist family came here SEEKING ASYLUM if the article is correct "At first, the family was granted asylum by a state court." It's been over turned by the Feds, but they still went through the legal process, they did not go underground. Many Mexicans are NOT going through the legal process in the same way. The solution is easy, reduce your risk of deportation, immigrate the legal way.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on March 9, 2014 at 10:25 AM · Report this
dnt trust me 8

I miss Cienna Madrid more than Goldie.
Posted by dnt trust me on March 9, 2014 at 10:38 AM · Report this


The whole thing is a sham.

This country have very good immigration and work visa laws.

If you actually read the government website they have very specific permits for all sorts of work classes (including specifics such as hairdressers!)

Those with permits get the full protection of the US including the right to a minimum wage.

If the Democrats were truly sincere about wanting to protect these people, they could easily use an executive order to increase the number of work visas. But in 8 years they have not done this (please don't whine and say Republicans would block it before you've even attempted it).

The reason is clear. They want to bring in more voters beholden to the Democrat party and cram them into states to become voting blocs which causes rents to rise.

The typical person who "immigrates" is not that all. They merely want a paycheck until conditions improve and they can go back home to live.

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on March 9, 2014 at 10:46 AM · Report this
Phoebe in Wallingford 10
Tusk should be singular Ansel, they only found one.
Posted by Phoebe in Wallingford on March 9, 2014 at 11:12 AM · Report this
Fnarf 11
@7, this country was built on "illegal (undocumented) immigration". My ancestors walked across from Canada and never had any papers. Some others came in a boat from Scotland; they got out and started looking for work. Ellis Island? They never heard of the place. Some others came here by means unrecorded. They were all white, though, and Anglo, so there was never any uprising against them.

Migratory Mexican-American farm labor has been a mainstay of our economy for longer than the USA has existed.

You know where else you used to be able to find tons and tons of illegal immigrants? Boston and New York. They came from Ireland. Hundreds of thousands of them in the 1970s and 80s, taken into the communities until their situation could be settled. For decades, Ireland had the highest rate of out-migration of any country in the world. Do they make anyone angry?

Without Mexican immigration, our country would collapse into a stinking shithole. They are the most vibrant and hardest-working people here. They contribute vast sums in taxes that they can never recover as services; they lower crime rates wherever they go, and they bring dead Anglo cities and neighborhoods back to life. They are revitalizing the culture of this country. We couldn't do without them. You'd starve, for starters. They make this country better; we are lucky to have them join us.

Posted by Fnarf on March 9, 2014 at 11:13 AM · Report this

They never heard of the place.

I visited Ellis Island museum and was able to look up the records of my ancestors who did come through there. Even the first colonists were chartered by the Crowns of their European states. The settlers were given land by law. No part of this nation's growth was random or unregulated.

But again, you missed the point.

These people do not want to immigrate!

Many are happy to return to their homes in Mexico while sending a hefty paycheck.

They are being used as pawns by corrupt Democrats who need to pump the voter roles to keep their tenuous urban hold on power.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on March 9, 2014 at 11:22 AM · Report this
Rachel Maddow's Why We Did It (Iraq invasion for oil):…

The question I have is why did so many liberals refuse to acknowledge that it was a war for oil? Do we have any chance of implementing change if the "reality-based community" is so easily manipulated?
Posted by anon1256 on March 9, 2014 at 11:28 AM · Report this
seatackled 14
@12 What a dumb motherfucker you are.

Or, are you saying that if some organization from the countries of "these people" chartered the passage and settlement of the immigrants, it would be totally legit?

As for the European immigrants of yesteryear, there was plenty of money being sent back to the families they left behind.

Again, you missed the point.
Posted by seatackled on March 9, 2014 at 11:28 AM · Report this
let's be clear about who has been illegal, too. the Mexican nation has many many people of mixed European and indigenous ancestry. a majority in fact are mestizo or fully indigenous. now take folks like me, euro white. my ancestors came here in boats and invaded native american land. there were wars and alliances and peace and more wars and in the end the Europeans basically wiped out most of the native americans. um, this wasn't particularly legal. then the remaining one, my ancestors helped kick them out of the south and put them "indian territory" killing more along the way.

Was that really legal? it's called genocide.

then they filled up the south with others they forced to work for free. it was called slavery.

was that legal? the people who did that are what "Legals" in your view?

before that ended the slaveholders went into texas and instituted slavery -- illegally. contrary to law. yessir the founding fathers of texas were illegals. are you calling them illegals? nope. then to make sure their slavery took root, they detached texas from mexico. hello, this was illegal. so everyone in texas is an illegal, right?

they and others then statarted a war with mexico. and took lots of it from mexico including California. so that wasn't legal either.

so in that context, you're worred that a bunch of largely native American folks who speak Spanish or other indigenous languages are crossing the rio grande del norte from Baja California to alta California and THAT's illegal? or they cross from Chihuahua to el paso and THAT's illegal? let's draw the comparison:
1. they do it to work.
2. they don't kill people doing it.
3. they aren't killing and removing the whites here in the usa.
4. they are not enslaving blacks.
5. they aren't detaching the usa and attaching it to mexico.

so five ways WE are MORE illegal than them. talk about swatting at gnats and ignoring the camel in your own eye . Most people decrying illegals wouldn't even be here in the usa without tons of illegal activity by their ancestors so just bajate de tu caballo amigo es hora de acallarte. To me a Mexican coming here to work ranks as about illegal as uber doing its thing, or medical mj before we legalized it, or my pal speeding by three mph on aurora avenue. and what kind of racist mind thinks somehow if Hank from Tulsa moves here to Seattle that's way cool, but if Jose from Guanajuto moves here somehow it's horrible? at the bottom of the claim of "illegals!" which was never hurled at white immigrants is pure old fashioned racism. who cares if the guy mowing your lawn is from Veracruz or Fargo? frankly, I'd prefer Veracruz at least they're somewhat less reserved!
Posted by k callense los racistas on March 9, 2014 at 11:30 AM · Report this
seatackled 16

I believe that the point being made had to do more with the right wing support of this family and less to do with the actual laws. It seems hopelessly naive to think that if this family had not gone through the system and just appeared in the U.S. illegally, they wouldn't get this kind of support anyway.
Posted by seatackled on March 9, 2014 at 11:31 AM · Report this
Goldy 17
@8 I miss Cienna more than Goldy, too.
Posted by Goldy on March 9, 2014 at 11:36 AM · Report this
rob! 18
The linked article on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 suggests that Kuala Lumpur airport officials not catching at least two individuals traveling with stolen passports was something unusual. In fact:
...Interpol maintains a database of more than 39 million travel documents reported lost or stolen by 166 countries. Immigration and border control officers can, in theory, use it to check the validity of a dubious travel document in seconds.

But nobody seems to check the database.

Interpol Secretary General Ronald K. Noble said Sunday that his organization "is asking why only a handful of countries worldwide are taking care to make sure that persons possessing stolen passports are not boarding international flights...”
(Here.) The airport-security farce continues worldwide.
Posted by rob! on March 9, 2014 at 11:41 AM · Report this
rob! 19
@17: Wait, what?!
Posted by rob! on March 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM · Report this
JonnoN 20
Republicans hate illegal immigrants. Unless they're white and christian, in which case skipping to the front of the line is perfectly fine. IOKIYAR.
Posted by JonnoN on March 9, 2014 at 11:57 AM · Report this
@11 Fnarf, you're the man. Great post, thank you.

FWIW, my grandmother was an "illegal" from Canada. The family story is she overstayed her visitor's visa and she and my grandfather fled out the back door to get married while Immigration was at the front. To keep up the family tradition, my wife-to-be came from England on a tourist visa, got married here and then applied for residency. I think they've made that more difficult lately, but it was still feasible back then, although they were a bit cranky about it. She's a citizen now, and our marriage is a passable example of success -- three decades now and counting.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on March 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 22
@17 Baby come back, any kind of fool could see
There was something in every thing about you.
Baby come back, you can blame it all on me
I was wrong, and I just can't live without you
Posted by Pope Peabrain on March 9, 2014 at 11:59 AM · Report this
dnt trust me 23
Pain Peapoop, you are a brave one to have risen such dangerously caustic nostalgia.
Posted by dnt trust me on March 9, 2014 at 12:04 PM · Report this

@15 gives a few reasons why.
Posted by Hanoumatoi on March 9, 2014 at 12:07 PM · Report this
Catherwood 25
I blame Germany, dumping their surplus idiots on us. At least they're shipping them to the right place. Maybe they can get jobs at the creationist museum (sadly, no, it's not an exhibit of extinct creationists).
Posted by Catherwood on March 9, 2014 at 12:23 PM · Report this

Days of anonymous posters are numbered...crackdown continues...

A Philadelphia judge has ordered to reveal the name of an anonymous commenter in a defamation suit brought by an electricians union leader, which his attorney says could have a broad impact on incendiary online comments and those who make them — sometimes called “trolls” — who post anonymously. “Anonymous” was sued for calling the union leader a name.…

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on March 9, 2014 at 12:54 PM · Report this


All Obama has to do is issue an executive order increasing the number of work visas.

Why hasn't he?

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on March 9, 2014 at 12:57 PM · Report this
"They’re Only 'Illegals' If They’re Brown"

Of course, anti-immigrant rhetoric, like the southern strategy, is mostly about the instrumentalization of racism for electoral purpose as in "vote for me because I'll stop brown illegal welfare queens from coming over here". See? if they aren't brown, they aren't welfare queens so they can come.
Posted by anon1256 on March 9, 2014 at 1:53 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 29
Goldy may have been an idiot on some issues, but he wasn't all the time. And frankly Slog has just become nothing but reviews since he left. You really notice how little The Stranger has in way of journalists just by dumping one person.

The Seattle Weekly may end up with more hard hitting new items at this point
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on March 9, 2014 at 2:10 PM · Report this
MrBaker 30
Wrong, Republicans LOVE illegal immigration, they (especially GWB) freely admit that the SE agricultural economy depends on cheap migrant workers from Latin America.
They hate giving anybody anymore rights than they already have, illegal or not, legalized workers get legal support for things like humane working conditions. That stuff costs money.
Posted by MrBaker on March 9, 2014 at 2:42 PM · Report this
@29, that's really depressing. No no not the Weekly. But now there's nothing left of Slog except Anna and sometimes Paul; there's nothing left of Publicola period; back to HA, I guess.
Posted by sarah70 on March 9, 2014 at 3:25 PM · Report this
@11 Fnarf, if you think illegal aliens don't collect welfare benefits your wrong. You can read more about that here:…

It is true that most illegally alien are hardworking people, not welfare moochers. However, they are also generally poor and uneducated. Whether the United States benefits economically from a the influx of such people is debatable. You can read more about that here:…
Posted by Ken Mehlman on March 9, 2014 at 3:50 PM · Report this
8Way 33
Slog really has been weaksauce without Goldy. Can't Goldy n Dom kiss n make up? Please!
Posted by 8Way on March 9, 2014 at 3:54 PM · Report this
seatackled 34

Sadly, it started before he left this past week; weekends were often slow, but some interesting stuff aside from the morning news got posted. But for a few months now, most of the weekend posts have been links to Stranger articles. I wondered if it was a cash flow problem, and with the hiring of so many new writers and the departure of several veterans, I wouldn't be surprised if that were indeed the case. It seems like all the Stranger links, the daily roundups about what is on the internet, and the weeks in review all point to the same thing.

Maybe the Stranger could cancel those so-called genius awards and use the savings on reporting instead.
Posted by seatackled on March 9, 2014 at 3:56 PM · Report this
rob! 35
@31, their identity is being gradually dissolved in SeattleMet, but they're still there (lotta homophones thâr).
Posted by rob! on March 9, 2014 at 3:56 PM · Report this
Is Goldy gone?

Been wondering why there hasn't been a 'guns are bad' post for a few days...
Posted by CPN on March 9, 2014 at 3:59 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 37
@34, Good logical point. The irony is that having been in Seattle long enough to remember The Rocket, we're watching this rag turn into that failed weekly (or was that semi-weekly? I don't remember). And that didn't work out well.

Maybe Tim read the tea leaves and decided that when they have to finally move from the offices where they are at now it's just better to downside the paper to a shell of it's former self and just be a newspaper that covers just the arts/culture scene in Seattle. And with a much smaller staff and maybe drop the print edition completely?
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on March 9, 2014 at 4:14 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 38
@ 29, a careful reading of his thing at HorsesAss reveals that he quit. Who knows why - speculation that it was over Sawant, but Frizzelle gave us an official denial.

But that's beside the point. He quit.
Posted by Matt from Denver on March 9, 2014 at 4:14 PM · Report this
raindrop 39
Goldy is essentially a good writer. His writing is immediately compelling so your emotions are either immediately provoked in whatever direction your political dispositions happen to be.

Personally, I hope he turns his skills into writing cookbooks and gardening hints - to fill a void left unfinished by Rachel Ray and Martha Stewart. This would also free impressionable minds from being influenced by his pro-union and anti-corporate rhetoric.
Posted by raindrop on March 9, 2014 at 4:18 PM · Report this
seatackled 40

I picked up the Rocket once or twice, but can't remember what it covered.

Speaking of downsizing, what is Eli Sanders doing now? He's got that weekday 6:00 AM post, but is he he otherwise no longer on staff, or is he officially on leave to turn his Pulitzer story into a book or something? Either way, he's really not reporting.
Posted by seatackled on March 9, 2014 at 4:42 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 41
@38, I thought you lived in Seattle longer enough to know being fired from the Stranger and quitting are the same side of the same coin. Tim relays heavily on many businesses who are crying the loudest about the possibility of increasing the minimum wage and he had no issue hiring unpaid interns for years. (Unpaid interns being the dream of any employer). Put two and two together: Goldy may have quit but he would have been fired anyway.

BTW, Frizzelle is the editor: he's paid to give glossy statements that frankly bend the truth. You want to know what really happened at a newspaper? Read what their competitor printed.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on March 9, 2014 at 4:43 PM · Report this
Paul Constant also did political slog posts in addition to the literary ones, but he's only been doing book/reading/literature posts since Goldy left. What's up Paul?
Posted by Beth on March 9, 2014 at 5:38 PM · Report this
sperifera 43
@39 - I give you lots of crap GDfRaindrop, but there are some days that I kind of like you -- because I sense that there is actually hope for you. (hugs)
Posted by sperifera on March 9, 2014 at 5:42 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 44
@ 41, I'm gonna need a link. Site specific searches at,,,, and all came up with zilch. If there's some other "competitor" you have in mind, they must not be very major.

Anyway, assuming you HAVE read Goldy's own post at HorsesAss, I'll have to say that believing he was so cowed that he basically lied about the situation (as he must have - I don't know how someone can be "fired" and yet still be allowed to publish freelance, as he says is offered) is conspiracy theory type thinking. I'll change my tune if your link paints a picture supporting your view, but not until then.
Posted by Matt from Denver on March 9, 2014 at 6:01 PM · Report this
rob! 45
The best clues re: Goldy's departure are to be found in this Slog post from a couple of weeks ago. Tim Keck makes one of his rare forays into comments in a couple of exchanges with Dave Meinert, the upshot of which is pretty clearly that Mr. Keck decides to rein in Stranger writers' previously full-throated cry of $15Now! ASAP! in response to criticism from Mr. Meinert:
#2 [Keck] Huge companies can leverage their wages internationally. It's far more difficult for small local businesses-no matter how smart they are. If the raise in the minimum wage isn't done intelligently, it will give chains a huge advantage over local businesses.

#16 [Keck to Slogger "diminished" @12] It's not just $15Now glossing over these issues. Goldy is as well. I also think big business and big labor are effectively representing their interests. There needs to be a stronger voice representing small businesses.

#44 [Meinert to Keck @16] Keck, the reason small business hasn't been able to make their case is because you have created a poisonous culture around expressing opinions your writers don't agree with. No small business owner in Seattle wants to disagree with The Stranger and then be slaughtered in your publication. In Seattle, a person could be for raising the minimum wage, for gun control, for every liberal position locally and nationally, and still be vilified as a greedy business owner wanting to exploit their workers at slave wages and portrayed as an evil Republican, because they want to raise the minimum wage to $15 in a different way than the dogmatic $15Now organization. Maybe you should think about the atmosphere your business has created that silences progressive voices in the small business world. Notice how people won't write the articles you ask them to? Think about it.

#63 [Keck to Meinert @44] Actually, I just read Dom's Facebook post and you're absolutely right. And that needs to change. Seattle has a remarkable small, progressive, business community who has legitimate concerns on the way we raise the minimum wage.
I don't do Facebook so I have no idea what Dominic wrote, or whether it's been changed or deleted.
Posted by rob! on March 9, 2014 at 6:55 PM · Report this
rob! 46
Interesting. I see that the whole post linked above has been deleted.
Posted by rob! on March 9, 2014 at 6:57 PM · Report this
rob! 47
@44, you forgot seattlepi. That'll hurt Joel Connelly's feelings.
Posted by rob! on March 9, 2014 at 7:04 PM · Report this
Pretty good sleuthing, Rob! I was wondering if and how all the recent changes at Slog were connected.

So, Goldy probably left over how to cover the $15/hr MW issue after all. That Meinert dude is too much. He certainly won't get my business now.
Posted by anon1256 on March 9, 2014 at 7:13 PM · Report this
@46 I guess Tim Keck finally woke up to the fact that a $15/hr minimum wage would be the death knell for small businesses like his.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on March 9, 2014 at 7:15 PM · Report this
rob! 50
Re: 46, I was mistaken—the link got truncated in the middle (it was really long). Go here.

To be clear, I understand that Tim Keck has a business to run and I do think there needs to be some smart discussion about phase-in.
Posted by rob! on March 9, 2014 at 7:23 PM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 51
@45 - Thanks rob! that's interesting. And also interesting that it's now been deleted... hmm.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on March 9, 2014 at 7:27 PM · Report this
rob! 52
Nope—not deleted—see @50. The link @45 was bad.
Posted by rob! on March 9, 2014 at 8:39 PM · Report this
raindrop 53
@43: Thx, hugs back. Gotta call them like I see them to promote my RISTYT effort.

(hint: S = smarter, last T = think)
Posted by raindrop on March 9, 2014 at 9:09 PM · Report this
mikethehammer 54
I dunno -- even after checking out rob!'s links I'm still leery of there being anything definitively tying the MW issue as the cause of Goldy's departure. He & TK obviously disagreed on this issue, and likely plenty of others, but then that's barely even notewothy. There's obviously a good number of strong, opinionated persons running around that office, which is part of what makes it such a consistently worthwhile and interesting read, at least in my humble humble. Is The Stranger gonna bring someone in to fill his role/position?
Posted by mikethehammer on March 9, 2014 at 11:03 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 55
@54, "Is The Stranger gonna bring someone in to fill his role/position? " That's a good question and is a testable hypothesis. Goldy was brought on to fill a news void after one or two of the reporters left. Wasn't after Jonah left and Erica had been gone awhile that Goldy was brought over?

Anyway, if they leave that news/editorial position unfilled after a few weeks/months then it's pretty obvious that what "seatakled" said is probably what is happening. Tim will have decided to make news/editorializing only a small part of what The Stranger covers and the focus will be on cultural coverage and restaurant reviews.

"mikethehammer" has given us something we can test and "seatackled" may have laid out the shift we could see in The Stranger in the coming months.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on March 10, 2014 at 3:48 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 56
@ rob!, all that explains why it happened, which I believed regardless of Frizzelle's statement to the contrary. But it doesn't mean Goldy was fired. I still go to Goldy's own words and the tone of his initial post, along with an admitted history for acting rashly on his part, and there's nothing to indicate he was fired or coerced into resigning. (Thanks for the link btw. I thought the online PI had also given up the ghost.)
Posted by Matt from Denver on March 10, 2014 at 7:59 AM · Report this
rob! 57
@Matt, it's clear to me that he wasn't fired—just adding more info @45 to illustrate the reasons behind the shift in editorial tone. (And Goldy's staff posting account wasn't disabled @17, which is normally on HR's checklist if there's not going to be a continuing relationship of some kind.)
Posted by rob! on March 10, 2014 at 9:14 AM · Report this
raindrop 58
@57: It's probably still on their list and hasn't been completed, or they're giving him a little grace period. Were not talking about a big HR dept like Microsoft's, for goodness sake.
Posted by raindrop on March 10, 2014 at 9:53 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 59
@ 58, all the more reason it should happen quickly, not slowly. It's not like HR needs to wait for the paperwork to be interofficed.
Posted by Matt from Denver on March 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM · Report this
rob! 60
We're talking about an information-intensive, tech-savvy, politically powerful company, raindrop. Index Newspapers develops and co-owns Foundation, the software content-management system used by a whole bunch of papers across the country. Give them a little credit for thinking ahead of what you might do.
Posted by rob! on March 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM · Report this
venomlash 61
Posted by venomlash on March 10, 2014 at 11:15 AM · Report this
Dougsf 62
If having to go to school is "persecution", I would've fled to Canada in the 8th grade.
Posted by Dougsf on March 10, 2014 at 12:37 PM · Report this
@17, please come back. This place has gone to shit without you, and as you may recall I rarely agreed with your posts.
Posted by David from Chicago on March 11, 2014 at 6:55 AM · Report this

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