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Sunday, January 26, 2014

Slog Bible Study: 1 Timothy 2:12

Posted by on Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:00 AM

1 Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.



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Maybe Catholic schools in the Archdiocese of Seattle should be more consistently biblical and immediately fire all female teachers. While they're at it, they can fire all the divorcees, and those who have had sex before marriage, use contraception, and/or masturbate. Now let's see, after all the "sinners" have been fired who will be left to instill those precious Catholic values into the little Catholic children's impressionable minds? Inquiring minds want to know...
Posted by tniel on January 26, 2014 at 6:24 AM · Report this
Dr. Z 2
Apparently her job is to focus on keeping her libido and reproductive system under control. Oh, and rattle those pot and pans.
Posted by Dr. Z on January 26, 2014 at 6:24 AM · Report this
NOT being in their homes, or beds, or company would give them the silence their God granted them. And everyone can be happy.
Posted by iseult on January 26, 2014 at 6:34 AM · Report this
Are you listening, Sarah Palin?
Posted by Clayton on January 26, 2014 at 6:39 AM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 5
Women aren't allowed to go to stonings either.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on January 26, 2014 at 7:06 AM · Report this
NotSean 6
@5 unless they are the star.
Posted by NotSean on January 26, 2014 at 7:21 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 7
And now you know why so many virgins were pregnant by gods.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on January 26, 2014 at 8:03 AM · Report this
This verse is used to support my parents' synod's governance system. Only adult male members can vote on church matters and my mom is down with it because who needs a voice when you have faith?
Posted by btchplz on January 26, 2014 at 8:18 AM · Report this
kazansky 9
And would it kill her to grab me a goddamn beer from the fridge?
Posted by kazansky on January 26, 2014 at 8:33 AM · Report this
The world would be better off if people followed this advice.

How much trouble is caused by women running their mouths off, making their men do stupid crap they'd never do on their own?

The answer: all of it.
Posted by Women Are The Worst Sex on January 26, 2014 at 8:35 AM · Report this
a close family member told me that this is dom/submissive structure is only "symbolic" but, when pressed on details, he said the structure IS activated when big decisions are made in their family. When asked what are "big decisions"? he responded "when I feel it is important to our family"

.... and remember THESE FOLKS believe their homes and, by extension, our entire country should operate this way.
Posted by go bulldogs on January 26, 2014 at 8:45 AM · Report this
Congratulations Goldstein! At least you're taking out of context a New Testament verse this time!

Now are you going to launch a multi year hate campaign on Islam or Buddhism? No? Still a bigot? Well all right then.
Posted by Seattleblues on January 26, 2014 at 8:55 AM · Report this
Finally! A biblical passage we can all agree with.
Posted by pacnwjay on January 26, 2014 at 8:56 AM · Report this
@12 when leaders from those religions start testifying before congress on legislation, then they'll get the same scrutiny.
Posted by wxPDX on January 26, 2014 at 9:03 AM · Report this
All due respect to @12, context does not actually improve this verse. Here's the complete chapter 1Timothy 2 (wimminz mentioned starting in verse 9):

1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Posted by Leoba on January 26, 2014 at 9:04 AM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 16
Seattleblahs, shouldn't you be at church, exerting authority over your highly theoretical family?
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay on January 26, 2014 at 9:04 AM · Report this
Max Solomon 17
Well I read that book every page
And then i put it away
Said I don't think so
It makes slaves of all of womankind
And corpses of men
And I just don't know
Posted by Max Solomon on January 26, 2014 at 9:09 AM · Report this
this guy I know in Spokane 18
@15, I think the relevant context is SHUT UP, WOMAN.
Posted by this guy I know in Spokane on January 26, 2014 at 9:17 AM · Report this
Doctor Memory 19
@18: ...GET ON MY HORSE.
Posted by Doctor Memory on January 26, 2014 at 9:38 AM · Report this
mkyorai 20
@10 Still a virgin, huh? We'll, chin up. I'm sure there's someone out there just right for you...
Posted by mkyorai on January 26, 2014 at 9:44 AM · Report this
Knat 21
You'd be surprised how offended female Jehovah's Witnesses get when you repeat this verse at them after everything they say.

The next time one appears at your door, you really should try it.
Posted by Knat on January 26, 2014 at 9:49 AM · Report this
@21 I dunno, verse 14 and 15 sound pretty good at offending too.... tell the female JW that women are more readily deceived but if she bares a child that sort of makes up for it. Then you can ask if she's ovulating.
Posted by ChefJoe on January 26, 2014 at 10:03 AM · Report this
theophrastus 23
for a 2000 year old work written by a bunch of quasi-abstemious men living in a cave i'd say the sentiments hold up fairly nicely alongside the modern day GOP
Posted by theophrastus on January 26, 2014 at 10:34 AM · Report this
Aurora Erratic 24
Fuck that noise.
Posted by Aurora Erratic on January 26, 2014 at 10:42 AM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 25
And a sammich, too!
Posted by Urgutha Forka on January 26, 2014 at 11:08 AM · Report this
Posted by kazansky on January 26, 2014 at 11:15 AM · Report this
Posted by Urgutha Forka on January 26, 2014 at 12:31 PM · Report this
What a horribly sexist chapter. It's amazing that women put up with this, call it "the word of God", and bring their daughters along.

Women were important leaders during the first century of Christianity. The Timothy letters were apparently written later, the the author slapping on the pseudonym of Paul presumably to give it authority. By that time the men had taken the rein and the early role of women had been forgotten.
Posted by floater on January 26, 2014 at 2:04 PM · Report this
venomlash 29
GOLDY YOU NITWIT, STOP WITH THE REPEATS. This was already on SLOG Bible Study in 2011.

@15: What kind of two-bit theologist says that men are superior to women BASED ON Adam being created before Eve? If you actually READ Genesis, you'll notice that humanity was actually the last thing created, and that other animals (which we are given dominion over) came before humankind. By that logic, Eve would be the polished version. Also, Adam was deceived as well. The serpent told Eve the fruit was safe to eat and she believed it. She then told Adam the fruit was safe to eat and he believed it too.

Speaking of the Fall, Genesis 2-3 is interesting in my opinion because God lies to Adam and Eve. He tells them that if they eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge they will die, but this is not, strictly speaking, true. This raises some interesting issues!
Posted by venomlash on January 26, 2014 at 3:17 PM · Report this
@29. One traditional way of reading the story of Adam and Eve was that she was deceived, but Adam was only (in the words of John Milton) "fondly overcome with female charm." So he was the first man to think with the little head instead of the big one. How this became an argument for the moral or intellectual superiority of men over women continues to escape me.
Posted by Clayton on January 26, 2014 at 3:45 PM · Report this
@12, of course she ain't going hating on Islam. The last person who did that the stranger had to go into hiding.
Posted by jeffy on January 26, 2014 at 6:20 PM · Report this
raindrop 32
Goldy, as venomlash pointed out you posted this verse before. To avoid such humiliation in the future, I suggest you download a spreadsheet of the King James bible from and then color fill the ones you've done.
Posted by raindrop on January 26, 2014 at 8:03 PM · Report this
Posted by raindrop on January 26, 2014 at 8:05 PM · Report this
@32: Goldy knows he's doing repeats. He's acknowledged it in previous weeks. Maybe you should keep a spreadsheet and color it in, if it's so important to you. If churches can keep doing repeats, so can Goldy.
Posted by originalcinner on January 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM · Report this
SchmuckyTheCat 35
@35, repeats are lazy when there are thousands of verses of crap.

it'd be great to have Verses Versus. Highlight two or more contradictions, fight them out.
Posted by SchmuckyTheCat on January 28, 2014 at 8:53 AM · Report this

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