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Friday, January 17, 2014

Man Arrested for Threatening Mayor Murray and Council Member Sawant

Posted by on Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 4:18 PM

A 32-year-old Seattle man has been arrested on suspicion of malicious harassment after allegedly posting derogatory and threatening comments to the Facebook pages of Seattle Mayor Ed Murray and city council member Kshama Sawant:

They included explicitly homophobic, racist and misogynistic comments, the milder of which included, “Mayor return to hell where you came from,” “death to socialist council member,” “Death to Seattle police” and “feminist must get raped and die,” court documents show.

Councilwoman Sawant, elected in November 2013, is Seattle’s only self-proclaimed socialist councilmember.

The comments also made references to Harvey Milk, San Francisco’s first openly gay elected official, who was assassinated in 1978.

Murray is Seattle’s first openly gay mayor.

The comments were reportedly made under the suspect's real name. Because he's a fucking genius. On the bright side, I'm guessing the unregistered comments here on Slog should be quiet for a while.

 

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dnt trust me 1
Can't post anything derogatory??!! I learned derogatory from The Stranger!
Posted by dnt trust me on January 17, 2014 at 4:28 PM · Report this
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One can only hope.
Posted by I logged out to say this. on January 17, 2014 at 4:29 PM · Report this
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HATEFUL BIGOTS!!

or mental illness.

bah...

but there's no political hay in that.
Posted by vhu6rdtr on January 17, 2014 at 4:33 PM · Report this
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I was wondering why you hadn't posted this yet. Then I realized you had to wait for the PI to re-write the Times story, so you had something to link to that wasn't the Times. Because, you know, don't give credit where it's due.
Posted by pkbrown on January 17, 2014 at 4:33 PM · Report this
MacCrocodile 5
Yeah, it seems like "derogatory" isn't really the problem here. If making derogatory remarks were an arrestable offense, every writer and commenter on The Stranger would be doing a life sentence.
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on January 17, 2014 at 4:33 PM · Report this
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I wonder if they'll let Seattleblues post from his phone.
Posted by GermanSausage on January 17, 2014 at 4:34 PM · Report this
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@4 why link to something paywalled?
Posted by Lack Thereof on January 17, 2014 at 4:40 PM · Report this
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Why not? It's trivially easy to get around their paywall.
Posted by GermanSausage on January 17, 2014 at 4:42 PM · Report this
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@7 Because they broke it. Because plenty of people have access. And because it's not a bad thing to support journalism.
Posted by pkbrown on January 17, 2014 at 4:43 PM · Report this
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@dominicholden

"Seriously, if @seattlepi keeps up this drumbeat of being a conservative screech blog on these city issues, I'm not gonna link to it anymore."

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaahahaha!
Posted by Marcy M. on January 17, 2014 at 4:44 PM · Report this
dnt trust me 11
@5
Thank you, if I were Goldie I would have left out the word "derogatory" and been satisfied with 'threatening'. Yes, it is in the Times article, but to me, and you MacCroc, it just seems inappropriate and wrong in this case. It sounds like a sly move to shut down free speech.
Posted by dnt trust me on January 17, 2014 at 4:49 PM · Report this
Banna 12
I wonder where Mark Driscoll stole those gems from?
Posted by Banna http://www.ucp.org on January 17, 2014 at 4:52 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 13
@11

Eliminating free speech is a key point in the progressive agenda.

Who needs rights when you can have a government mandate.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on January 17, 2014 at 5:14 PM · Report this
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#14: Nice projection there.
Posted by Jizzlobber on January 17, 2014 at 5:17 PM · Report this
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The poor guy was probably just confused. That sort of talk is par for the course in conservative talk radio, so I guess he just assumed that it would be perfectly acceptable elsewhere.
Posted by floater on January 17, 2014 at 5:17 PM · Report this
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14: Obviously I was referring to #13, not my own post.
Posted by Jizzlobber on January 17, 2014 at 5:18 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 17
We're lucky this guy got himself caught in time to prevent him from acting on his threats.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on January 17, 2014 at 5:48 PM · Report this
undead ayn rand 18
@13: I see the crazies are out in force. Guess what! Death threats aren't covered by "free speech" protections.

Glad to know you're a "Constitutional expert" on more than the 2nd.
Posted by undead ayn rand on January 17, 2014 at 6:26 PM · Report this
raindrop 19
Is a death threat in the passive/3rd person sense a legal death threat? Such as:
- Death to X (passive)
- I'm going to kill X (active - obviously a death threat)

Interesting. Or was it because Murray and Sawant feel threatened (and yes, they should feel that way) that an arrest was made or because the words of the accused constitutes a death threat according to statute?

(Academic question here, just academic.)
Posted by raindrop on January 17, 2014 at 6:46 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 20
Conservatism is attractive to stupid people because it gives them a reason to be a victim, instead of taking responsibility for their various failings in life. It also let's them project their flaws onto others.

Their handlers want to keep them right on the edge, so they will be nice and paranoid, which makes them open to their ridiculous political agenda. But sometimes, because they're stupid, they go over the edge into crazy.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 17, 2014 at 8:00 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 21
@20
Catalina dear, I think that can be said for both sides.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on January 17, 2014 at 8:04 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 22
No, Cascadian dear, it can't. Conservatism cultivates stupidity, victimhood, and projection. Own it.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 17, 2014 at 8:07 PM · Report this
ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ 23
@19: If you say "death to X" you are advocating for the death of X. Hard not to see that as an incitement to violence.
Posted by ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ on January 17, 2014 at 8:17 PM · Report this
seatackled 24
A four-hour-old post about Sawant and her stalker hasn't posted yet. So Chefjoe is 32--I would not have guessed that.
Posted by seatackled on January 17, 2014 at 8:34 PM · Report this
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Er.... folks if you threaten a public official you get, looked at very closely. That is one of the perks of being a public official.
Posted by Machiavelli was framed on January 17, 2014 at 8:36 PM · Report this
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@24: No, he wouldn't be threatening Murray.
Posted by Hanoumatoi on January 17, 2014 at 8:49 PM · Report this
seatackled 27
@24

You'd think. But sure he would; he's pretty much a corporatist, so he hates McGinn and seemingly supported Murray because he preferred Murray over McGinn. If Susan Hutchinson or Rob McKenna had been in the mayor's race, he'd have tried to discredit Murray, too, in favor of Hutchinson or McKenna. He generally writes posts that seem to have an air of civility, but every now and then, you'll see something that exposes his racist, misogynist values.

(Oh, and still getting around to the new stack of pancakes.)
Posted by seatackled on January 17, 2014 at 9:12 PM · Report this
seatackled 28
@27 meant @26, not @24.
Posted by seatackled on January 17, 2014 at 9:12 PM · Report this
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20
22

dear;

scrumptious big plastic bosoms will buy you a pass on a lot but you have exceeded the limit.

bacon is right.

you perfectly describe the Left.

Helpless Victims of The Rich.
Unable to provide for their own wants,
and unable to distinguish between wants and needs,
but ever blaming The Man.

Credulous Followers.
Sheeple.
Claiming to believe in Science but quick to ignore Science that does not conform to their prejudices. Which is most of it

Accusing their foes of Bigotry and Narrow Minded Intolerance.
(our favorite feature on the slog is the overweening lack of awareness of how much Danny and the FanBoys are EXACTLY like the potbellied drawling bigots of old...)
Posted by Be Our Guest. Own It. on January 17, 2014 at 9:23 PM · Report this
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So the threats were made under what was likely his real name, and he's not a minor, so why aren't the rest of us allowed to know who this unhinged person is?
Posted by treehugger on January 17, 2014 at 9:24 PM · Report this
delirian 31
@19:
Is a death threat in the passive/3rd person sense a legal death threat? Such as:
- Death to X (passive)
- I'm going to kill X (active - obviously a death threat)
No to the first, maybe to the second, but it depends on the context. It has to pass the Brandenburg test which means that an incitement to violence will be both imminent and likely. If you incite violence but it isn't likely, then that speech is protected. If you incite violence but it isn't imminent, then that speech is protected.
Posted by delirian on January 17, 2014 at 9:29 PM · Report this
Gern Blanston 32
@31 Media outlets usually don't name suspects until they're formally charged.
Posted by Gern Blanston on January 17, 2014 at 9:30 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 33
@22

Catalina dear, identity politics is what cultivates victimhood, projection and stupidity reign on both sides. Are you really saying that there are no stupid liberals who see themselves as victims and project their attitudes and prejudices on to other? As one of our wonderful Public Utility employees I know that you are smarter than that.

Politicians for both parties are happy to use low information voters for power and political ends.

@19
I think we have both received deaththreats from half of slog.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on January 17, 2014 at 9:47 PM · Report this
seatackled 34
Looks like he's been formally charged.

A 32-year-old Seattle man accused of threatening Mayor Ed Murray and City Councilmember Kshama Sawant was ordered held on $600,000 bail during a probable-cause hearing Friday.

Mitchell Munro Taylor was booked into the King County Jail Thursday night, two days after Murray’s staff found more than 20 threatening, anti-gay postings from Taylor’s account on the mayor’s Facebook page, according to court documents.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2…
Posted by seatackled on January 17, 2014 at 9:51 PM · Report this
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seatackled, I have no desire to threaten Sawant or Murray. In Sawant's case, I'm just going to sit back and watch her accomplishments roll in for two years.

I voted for Murray.... but for Steinbrueck in the primary. I've got no reason to dislike Murray, yet, and I don't really think what Murray does with his genitals is much of my concern.
Posted by ChefJoe on January 17, 2014 at 11:11 PM · Report this
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I'm guessing context is everything. Sure, everyone is "running around the internet" saying derogatory or insulting things (e.g. "How can anyone be as stupid as you?' "Fuck you asshole" "What a lot of bullshit"). Politicians say derogatory things about each other - hey, about the American people they are supposed to be representing (Remember the 47% percent? What about everyone on food stamps, Medicaid, or college aide programs?). If I were going to break it down, I'd say that it has to be (a) personally directed at an identifiable individual (not a unknown handle - even if you "feel like you know each other" - no, you don't really know each other if you don't have real names and faces - although, on the internet, people are potentially idenfiable) (b) derogatory based on the person's views or position, a group they belong to or identify with (male to female - "You bitch" "You whore", racist to civil rights spokesperson "you sand-ni--er lover", homophobic to gay or gay rights supporter "you fucking fa--ot," "you homo") and (c) threatening ("You're going to be dead," "you'll be sorry in a day or two," "Are you dead yet?" "I'm going to crush your head against a wall when I get my hands on you," "we'll deal with you."

Of course, there are threats delivered over the internet whereby you wonder if they can identify or locate the individual they're threatening. In this, I think it depends on the state the person who is threatening - is threatening from. I know about this because I have been threatened on the internet, and when I looked into it - the *oh so clever* threatener (who knew how to skirt the law) was doing so from a state where they have no regulations on this matter. What was scary was that the forum moderators wouldn't do anything and even appeared to be colluding in ways with the behavior in question. Since they all seemed so "close" and the moderators presumably have access to IP addresses, it stood to reason that the threats could be *more than* internet bantor, and one would have real reason to be concerned.

I wish there was more information about how to protect one's privacy in some of these forums where you are debating people who have radically different viewpoints. And particularly when the moderators seem to be biased towards one point of view or another and you have no way of knowing who they are or who is running the forum.

If someone can write an article about that or these things, I think it would be helpful to people these days. I have been threatened and attacked so much on the internet for expressing viewpoints others disagree with. On the bright side, I am stronger than ever, and better than ever at expressing my views with these idiots. :) (To finish on a derogatory note!)

More...
Posted by Another Reader on January 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM · Report this
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Just to add another personal note: I've wondered, at some of these junctures with these 'fucking idiots,' "Who is this person saying these things to me?" Who's on the other end of the "phone," so to speak? Is this a thirty-something survivalist in the woods with 20 assault weapons on his wall? Is it a ten year old alone with his computer too long while Mom and Dad go out for the evening? Does the person think it's a joke and is meanwhile peeing in his pants all over himself? Or are they psychotically angry and ready to go out and do something? Do they go off and beat their wife afterwards? Anyway, I'm sure some of you relate to these experiences and reflections.
Posted by Another Reader on January 17, 2014 at 11:24 PM · Report this
collectivism_sucks 38

If this douche actually threatened Sawant and Murray, than that would be worth investigating. As it stands from what I read, these weren't threats but just mean spirited, douche bag comments. There is a difference between saying, for example "Ke$sha deserves to have a tribble shoved down her throat and be forced to shower with Klingons, making the tribble freak out and kill her" and actually saying you would take a tribble and a Klingon and do that to her or that you are planning to. Likewise, saying mean things about Sawant and Murray and wishing that they would die is not the same as threatening to kill them.

Even racist, homophobic, douche bag comments are protected by the first amendment. As much as a dirt weasel as this guy sounds, it is even more of a dirt weasel thing to do to arrest him for speech.

Granted, there may have been actual threats that warrant this action, but as it stands now it just sounds like the corporate-state once again trampling on our rights. And yes, people should have the right to be homophobic douche bags.
Posted by collectivism_sucks on January 17, 2014 at 11:25 PM · Report this
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I like the Oklahoma. Well done seatackled.
Posted by Hanoumatoi on January 18, 2014 at 12:33 AM · Report this
Ballard Pimp 40
@38, as others have noted, it all depends on context. A threat reiterated 20 times in a couple of hours is much more ominous than a one-off.
Posted by Ballard Pimp on January 18, 2014 at 12:45 AM · Report this
delirian 41
@40: I took the comments as incitement, but there are separate interpretations for incitement (the most stringent), threats, and fighting words. For threats, it must be a real physical threat of violence and not hyperbole. The more that I think of it, since these comments were posted on the Facebook pages of the mayor and councilwoman, they are actually threats and not incitement. If they were posted on his own page, it would be different. So there probably isn't any 1st Amendment defense that will work here.
Posted by delirian on January 18, 2014 at 1:08 AM · Report this
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@33- one of the reasons I refuse to spend time w/ the conservatives that make up the bulk of the folks I grew up around is their insistence in complaining about evrything and everyone, and their insistence on claiming to be a victim. Apparently no longer being able to impose your will on the entire population is pretty traumatic. Identity politics is about moving from being an actual victim to being someone who has the legal rights to no longer be victimized.
Posted by Chris Jury http://www.thebismarck.net on January 18, 2014 at 1:15 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 43
@ 33, there's YOUR victimhood on display, right there in your last paragraph. Like your phobias, it's in your head.
Posted by Matt from Denver on January 18, 2014 at 1:15 AM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 44
Cascadian Dear, of course there are idiots on both sides, but Conservatism is the only movement - aside from Fundamentalism, which is its BFF - that actively cultivates ignorance, anger and victimhood. They do it through a highly sophisticated media and religion complex that constantly tells its followers that all their woes are because of the blacks or the gays or the Jews or the Mexicans or the Feminists or the Muslims or the liberals or the government. And that everybody is coming to take their stupid guns. It's all done to mask the dismantling of the middle class by the corporations and the 1%.

What's really sad about it is that they often take people who are naive but generally good, and turn them into bitter, complaining, racist, homophobic bores. They pull them in by using cornball appeals to patriotism that are right out of a 40's MGM musical, and tender concern for "the babies" (abortion). I've seen it in my own family, and in friends who stayed in Iowa.

Show me the equivalent of a Michelle Bachman or a Ted Cruz, or a Rick Santorum, or a Sarah Palin on the liberal side of politics. I'm not talking about eccentrics - I mean hardcore sociopaths who relentlessly spread misinformation. Guess what? There aren't any.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 18, 2014 at 8:19 AM · Report this
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@44: And particularly, none of them that have their own tv talk shows, or who have been elected to national public office. Cascadian Bacon is just another of these "both-sides-are-bad-so-vote-Republican" types who want to paint a false equivalency because he thinks he can actually fool people into voting Republican (or whatever his hapless third party* du jour is currently).

* = or, I guess, "fourth party" now that Socialist Alternative is more or less legit.
Posted by NineOneFour on January 18, 2014 at 8:53 AM · Report this
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You people are full of hate and hypocrisy. It is disgusting watching you pat each other on the back.
Posted by NancyBalls on January 18, 2014 at 9:13 AM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 47
Nancy dear, welcome to our little corner of the web. It's always so nice to have new friends.

But if you think this post is a particularly jarring example of "hate and hypocrisy", you're in for some unpleasant surprises. I don't know if Slog will be your cup of tea. Unless that's your "thing", of course.....
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 18, 2014 at 9:23 AM · Report this
Max Solomon 48
@46: Balls, there's a solution to your problem. fuck off and don't visit Slog.

i know at one point or another i've told multiple "conservatives" on Slog to fuck themselves. but i've never made a death threat.
Posted by Max Solomon on January 18, 2014 at 9:38 AM · Report this
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I've been around at least as long as you have @47, under various pseudonyms, and have seen the intolerance to dissenting opinions grow to the point where any alternative point of view is shunted to the margins of the conversation. Slog has become as self affirming cesspool of group think, and the writers at the stranger are stoking and supporting this anger and divisiveness, and shutting out meaningful conversation. This place is starting to suck as much as any right wing circlejerking news aggregation website (cough drudge cough), and is beginning to look like a parody of itself.

@48 99.999999% of conservatives have said a bunch of stupid incendiary bullshit and haven't made death threats either. I guess you have more in common than you think.
Posted by NancyBalls on January 18, 2014 at 10:01 AM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 50
Well then, Nancy dear, perhaps it's time for you to change your home page to something less distressing. Maybe Marthastewart.com, or readersdigest.com (I love their "life in these United States column. So funny!) ? Ask your parents or the librarian how to do that - they may have a permission lock or something.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 18, 2014 at 10:15 AM · Report this
undead ayn rand 51
@46: It's only hypocrisy if you're a conservative who thinks it's okay to make death threats to liberals but not conservatives (which you apparently are.)

It's not in our case because we also don't want death threats being made towards conservatives.
Posted by undead ayn rand on January 18, 2014 at 10:45 AM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 52
"I've been around at least as long as you have (Mrs. Vel-DuRay), under various pseudonyms...."

Who could Nancy be? Seattleblahs? Loveschild? Lord Basil?
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 18, 2014 at 11:07 AM · Report this
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First openly gay mayor??? I am new to Seattle.... Have there been gay mayors who were closeted????
Posted by pupuguru http://www.godsweed.org on January 18, 2014 at 11:15 AM · Report this
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I expect investigators will take an active interest in this fellow's whereabouts the night of the Neighbors arson attempt.
Posted by RonK, Seattle on January 18, 2014 at 11:18 AM · Report this
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Goldy says "shut up." Because, Democracy.
Posted by hmmmmm on January 18, 2014 at 12:04 PM · Report this
seatackled 56
Nancyballs is probably one of Seattleblues' monickers.
Posted by seatackled on January 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM · Report this
Backyard Bombardier 57
@55 says "Goldy says 'shut up.'" Because, Illiteracy.
Posted by Backyard Bombardier on January 18, 2014 at 1:37 PM · Report this
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on January 18, 2014 at 1:52 PM · Report this
thatsnotright 59
@ 33 please link to death threats you and @19 have received from Slog commenters. You say it was half and collecting all those would take a lot of time so how about 10 of the best?
Posted by thatsnotright on January 18, 2014 at 2:20 PM · Report this
seatackled 60
@59

I think the comment you just made there would be considered a death threat by him, which is why it's important that he carries a firearm at all times.
Posted by seatackled on January 18, 2014 at 2:31 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 61
I'm being threatened because I am in the majority religion, and I have encountered someone who does not think exactly as I do. Therefore, I am a victim.

Classic conservative thinking. Such boring lives they must lead....
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 18, 2014 at 3:26 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 62
Catalina Vel-DuRay > Five Large

Catalina Vel-DuRay > all of John Balio's sock puppets

I'm surprised these little pipsqueaks found the nerve to walk into that buzz saw. Kudos for being brave enough to court certain doom? I guess?
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on January 18, 2014 at 4:55 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 63
@44
"Show me the equivalent of a Michelle Bachman or a Ted Cruz, or a Rick Santorum, or a Sarah Palin on the liberal side of politics."

Catalina dear, I will see you with a Diane Feinstein and raise you an Al Sharpton. As far as a misinformation speaking sociopath goes Barack Hussein Obama seems to have claimed that throne from George W Bush. Then you got pants on heads retards like Sawant who is going to have the city council nationalize Boeing and use the world’s largest factory make city busses; however I feel that Sawant, like Bob Avakian falls more into the eccentric category.

Politicians on either side of the aisle tend to be serve only themselves and the interest of their big business pals. You get the occasional statesmen like Kucinich, but they are all too few and far between.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on January 18, 2014 at 7:25 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 64
Five Large, you do know that Sharpton is not an elected official, don't you? Bet not raised. And while Feinstein is no hero of mine, Catalina did specify that you had to find someone who "actively cultivates ignorance, anger and victimhood." So bet not met.
Posted by Matt from Denver on January 18, 2014 at 7:38 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 65
Cascadian dear, Dianne Feinstein? You've had almost twelve hours, and the best you can come up with is poor old Dianne? I can think of at least four current politicians on the left that are much more "wacky" (in your world) than Dianne Feinstein. Is it because she's from San Francisco?

Also, Al Sharpton, was never an elected official, but nice try.

Finally, just because you feel threatened by Council member Sawant (that whole victim thing again), that's no reason to use an offensive term about intellectually disabled people. Does your mother know you use words like that? And does she know that you apparently think only in cliches?

Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 18, 2014 at 7:48 PM · Report this
raindrop 66
Left wing elected dizzies include:
- Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee
- Rep. Maxine Waters
- Sen. Al Franken
- Rep. Alan Grayson
- Former Rep. Anthony Weiner
- Debbie Wasserman Schultz (not elected but head DNC)
- Sen. Claire McCaskill

Oh and Catalina, how dare you equate Martha Stewart with Readers Digest? Maybe Paula Dean/Rachel Ray and Readers Digest, but not Martha.

Posted by raindrop on January 18, 2014 at 8:17 PM · Report this
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I'm not the most eloquent of posters, but I do read most of them and can agree that the republican party and most religious conservatives are going to have a very difficult time attracting any educated voters in 2014 and 2016. That's been a problem for Democrats as evidenced in the mid-terms when all the tea-bagger loonies got elected. The republicans and the scumbaggers rely on the poor and uneducated voters down south for their support, staying away from the areas that have a good economy and an educated workforce. sarah palin is a big hit in the south, along with rush and all the conservative vomit that goes along with their lies.
Posted by longwayhome on January 18, 2014 at 8:28 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 68
Raindrop dearest, I asked for "hardcore sociopaths who relentlessly spread misinformation". You've given me a list of prominent politicians that you don't like. It's not the same. DO try to focus, love.....

And how dare YOU compare two longstanding American institutions like Reader's Digest and Martha Stewart with the likes of Rachel Ray or Paula Dean. Are you a communist?

Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 18, 2014 at 8:33 PM · Report this
raindrop 69
@67: There will always be a struggle between right and left in America. Granted, the R has their deep systemic problems, nevertheless the ultimate distillation of the debate (away from all the silliness) is between Left: The government trumps the individual, or Right: The individual trumps the government.

This debate is very healthy, it keeps over-taxation and under-taxation in balance; it keeps over-regulation and under-regulation in balance.

You know of course, that the evils of the left, and the evils of the right meet up with each other on the dark side of the moon and have both the basis for totalitarian and repressive regimes throughout history.

Posted by raindrop on January 18, 2014 at 8:46 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 70
Raindrop dear, I take back 64.456% of the awful things I've said about you over the years. That's just the sort of statement that I give a hearty yowsa! to. Where's that ballsy nancy lady when we need her?
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 18, 2014 at 9:09 PM · Report this
raindrop 71
@70: Wow, did I really hit the nexus there? Actually, I can't remember anything awful you've said about me, it's been mostly your reprimands over fallen soufflés and inappropriate centerpieces as I recall. Thank you!
Posted by raindrop on January 18, 2014 at 9:39 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 72
Raindrop dear, I keep an awful lot of things in my heart. Just like the Blessed Mother.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 18, 2014 at 9:42 PM · Report this
ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ 73
@69: You are seriously wrong about your characterization of left and right as authoritarian and libertarian respectively. The left IN THIS COUNTRY tends to be authoritarian economically but libertarian societally, while the right IN THIS COUNTRY is the opposite.
Posted by ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ on January 18, 2014 at 10:08 PM · Report this
raindrop 74
@73: True, for the current political times - but what you said does mesh with the parallel of what I said.
Posted by raindrop on January 18, 2014 at 10:17 PM · Report this
75
I thought I was straight, then Catalina made me cum. I'm so confused.
Posted by Bohica on January 19, 2014 at 12:34 AM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 76
@69 & 70

I think despite our many misunderstandings this is what we are trying to get at.

Also Catalina dear, my sincere apologies for using such old fashioned language. I feel it may have something to do with my being born off the power grid.

@73
They are all authoritarians, fuck em.

@75
Such vulgarities, but you are right.
Catalina is a wonderful person and we are blessed to have her in our fair city.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on January 19, 2014 at 2:11 AM · Report this
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@73 - Fuck me, I had no idea that plutocracy was the opposite of economic authoritarianism. I mean, the individual is clearly put on a pedestal by robber barons and the right wing that promotes increasing economic inequality.

This must be some kind of parody, please wake me up. I think I am having a nightmare.
Posted by anon1256 on January 19, 2014 at 7:42 AM · Report this
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@61: It's really some form of personality disorder.
Posted by undead ayn rand on January 19, 2014 at 11:46 AM · Report this

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