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Monday, December 23, 2013

I Blame the Teachers Unions!

Posted by on Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Damn union thugs:

Across the country, public schools employ about 250,000 fewer people than before the recession, according to figures from the Labor Department. Enrollment in public schools, meanwhile, has increased by more than 800,000 students. To maintain prerecession staffing ratios, public school employment should have actually grown by about 132,000 jobs in the past four years, in addition to replacing those that were lost, said Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute in Washington.

The solution? Merit pay, teacher evaluation, and non-union charter schools, of course! Because America!

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school systems were bloated with tons of administrative blubber.

more cuts are in order.........
Posted by Starve the Beast on December 23, 2013 at 7:13 AM · Report this
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How about desegregating the schools while your at it, Goldy? They were allowed to resegregate these past twenty plus years. I have this sense that throwing money at problems without adequately identifying the problems is your idea of a solution. Did you actually read the entire article?
Posted by Fairhaven on December 23, 2013 at 8:04 AM · Report this
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Phoebe in Wallingford 4
The teachers union isn't like it used to be. This kind of corruption has me baffled.
Posted by Phoebe in Wallingford on December 23, 2013 at 9:06 AM · Report this
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And the states without teachers unions? Mostly the worst test scores.
Posted by westello on December 23, 2013 at 9:14 AM · Report this
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@4: that first paragraph is a disgusting train wreck of sentences.
Posted by Hanoumatoi on December 23, 2013 at 9:28 AM · Report this
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@5
Money and teachers unions, aside. What I the relationship between teaching for tests and the test results in the states you list as having teachers
unions? What's the relationship?
Posted by Fairhaven on December 23, 2013 at 9:48 AM · Report this
Max Solomon 8
fairhaven, you seem like you already know the answers - so why be coy? just tell us rubes the answers. explain what we shouldn't throw money at and what we should throw instead.
Posted by Max Solomon on December 23, 2013 at 9:53 AM · Report this
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Max, lets answer your question with a question: Do you think the resegregation of schools and standardized
testing has been a benefit to school systems, the students and teachers be it in Seattle or elsewhere?
We are certainly throwing money at maintaining these
'institutions' . You characterize yourself as 'rube', Max. So what's a rube's answer or remedy?
Posted by Fairhaven on December 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM · Report this
Steven Bradford 10
We should move those teaching jobs to Louisiana, Alabama and the Carolinas, obviously. And raise superintendent pay 1000%.

Because that would be running gummint like a business.
Posted by Steven Bradford http://www.seanet.com/~bradford/ on December 23, 2013 at 10:42 AM · Report this
Max Solomon 11
@9: let me answer your question with another question that everyone knows the answer to. are you a pedantic bore?
Posted by Max Solomon on December 23, 2013 at 11:13 AM · Report this
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Max, how can I answer your question when you don't know the meaning of pedantic.
Posted by Fairhaven on December 23, 2013 at 11:25 AM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 13
@9 - Or you could stop being coy and just answer the question.

But you won't because that's not how a concern troll operates. Instead you'll continue to deflect.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on December 23, 2013 at 12:27 PM · Report this
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@4 How is that corruption? The union backs its members, as it should. MEA’s Ron Parkinson: “It’s based on contractual compliance and that’s really all I can say."

It sounds the like the teacher is due severance pay, regardless of the terms of his dismissal. The district should probably revisit that next time they renegotiate their contract with the teachers union.
Posted by dirge on December 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM · Report this
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Pridge, you and Max must be cut from the same mold. Did you read the article Goldy linked? Did you understand it? Do you have any interest or understanding of education policy in this city or country? Or, like Max, is your understanding and interaction with the world around you reduced to uttering nonsense challenges?
Posted by Fairhaven on December 23, 2013 at 12:50 PM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 16
@15 - I rest my case. Also, why is your comment history hidden?
Posted by Pridge Wessea on December 23, 2013 at 1:04 PM · Report this
JonnoN 17
"Why won't you just explain the point I'm trying to make??"
Posted by JonnoN http://www.backnine.org/ on December 23, 2013 at 1:07 PM · Report this
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Pridige, JonnoN and Max,
I suspect your mothers and/or fathers pretty much handed everything to you, because you sure don't seem to have learned how to think.

Very briefly:

Goldy suggests that spending more money and rehiring those administrators, teachers, etc. will result in better outcomes. Unfortunately I would have to argue we are continuing to see poor outcomes in many school districts because we resegregated the schools. It has occurred not in Seattle but across the country. This happened long before the layoff's Goldy linked to in the article, and it has given us incredibly shitty outcomes. Standardized tests are absolutely useless when the education and level of material support provided by and to each school differs so markedly.

In short, what's the point of rehiring a lot of people when you need to address the foundation of the system? The outcomes were shitty BEFORE these people were let go.

You first have to acknowledge and address the systemic problems.

Have you clowns ever thought about this? Put any effort into understanding it? I doubt it, and for what I suspect are obvious reasons.
Posted by Fairhaven on December 23, 2013 at 4:50 PM · Report this
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In the last 40 years, student population has increased by around 10-15%, while school employment has increased by 90-95%.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/t…

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/t…

But, yes, charters are bad and poor people should have shitty schools because politics!
Posted by LJM on December 24, 2013 at 12:03 AM · Report this

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