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Friday, December 13, 2013

Seattle Times Strongly Urges Machinists Union to Do What It Has Already Said It Will Do

Posted by on Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

So, um, 19 hours after their own aerospace correspondent reports that Machinists union leaders will give their rank and file members a chance to make up their own minds on Boeing's latest contract offer, the Seattle Times editorial board issues a screed urging Machinists union leaders to give their rank and file members "a chance to make up their own minds" on Boeing's latest contract offer.


(Because they are so invested in their anti-union rhetoric that they can't even accept what's printed on their own news page.)


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Does it surprise you that the Seattle Times staff doesn't read their own paper?

It's their only redeeming quality.
Posted by Reading isn't fundamentalism, repeating is on December 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM · Report this
MrBaker 2
Goldy, you calling Boeing management "dicks" earlier today provides just as much value to the situation as a Seattle Times editorial, probably less.

You are no better.
Posted by MrBaker on December 13, 2013 at 4:59 PM · Report this
seatackled 3
Goldy is totally no better than the Seattle Times because he called Boeing management dicks, which is why I am now against the $15.00 minimum wage and for Richard Conlin.
Posted by seatackled on December 13, 2013 at 5:20 PM · Report this
I'm no fan of the Seattle Times at all, but in this case the editorial is not superfluous. Read this:…

It turns out the union members want to vote, and the national union leaders seem OK with a vote on the proposal, but local union leaders were resisting that as of earlier today. This is a continuation of the union leadership split that emerged over the first proposal. So the Times is right: as of now, it's completely unclear as to whether union members will get to vote on this.
Posted by TomDD on December 13, 2013 at 6:16 PM · Report this
rob! 5
In other union news, graduate teaching and research assistants at New York University have voted overwhelmingly to unionize, becoming the only graduate assistants’ union recognized by a private university in the United States.……
Posted by rob! on December 13, 2013 at 7:55 PM · Report this
Just Jeff 6
Uh-as of this writing union leaders had agreed to no such thing.

What the fuck are you talking about?
Posted by Just Jeff on December 13, 2013 at 9:10 PM · Report this
PTrig 7
Yep, I don't know where Goldy is getting his report that a vote is scheduled. The last I saw Wroblewski said that there will be no vote because not enough has changed between this offer and the last. He sent an email out to the union saying as much.

Not only is the Seattle Times urging a vote, the Governor is asking for a vote being put forward to the rank and file, the Washington Congressional delegation is asking for the same, as is Mayor Stephenson of Everett. They are asking for this because none is scheduled and landing this airplane is vital to the future of the state.

While we all would want a pension plan similar to those common decades ago, it is not the norm and having the jobs, even if tied to a 401K, is more important than the pension. SPEEA (the engineers union) recognized this last spring and agreed to a contract that radically changed their retirement plan.
Posted by PTrig on December 13, 2013 at 11:41 PM · Report this
The local said it couldn't call a vote because Boeing had retracted their offer. Boeing said it had done so because the local said there'd be no vote. It's vain to try to figure that out because to any rational person, this was all over and done with when the union spit on the original offer and Boeing decided to shop its contract to all the states who pay their workers shit wages. A pox on both their houses.
Posted by sarah70 on December 14, 2013 at 1:00 AM · Report this
Clara T 9
Who knows more than a few Boeing managers? Oh, me? Alright then in my sample it could be said they are kind of dicks. Not that they're not generally decent and good people and fun to geek out with around common hobbies, but they are mostly from engineering backgrounds, with all the scintillating personality traits and people skills one associates with older engineers. How can I put this .... they're smart as all get out but kind of Aspergery in their empathy patterns, very much approach problems as equations and aggressively stick to the solutions they've fastidiously chalked-out. They righteously defend what makes the most sense to their way of figuring, and this impulse is not at all tempered by time spent being constantly yes-ed as corporate executives. They are not pragmatists - fine for the tasks they trained to do but yeah, I'd probably think they were dicks if I had to get into labor negotiations with them.
Posted by Clara T on December 14, 2013 at 2:25 PM · Report this

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