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Tuesday, October 8, 2013

The Shutdown Is Hurting Republicans

Posted by on Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:00 AM

Rand Paul may think Republicans are winning the fight over the government shutdown, but this new poll in Virginia—conducted by Democratic and Republican polling firms—strongly suggests otherwise:

Democrat Terry McAuliffe has opened up a significant lead over Republican Ken Cuccinelli in the Virginia governor’s race amid broad public disapproval of the federal government shutdown, according to a POLITICO poll of the 2013 gubernatorial election.

McAuliffe, the former national Democratic Party chairman, is now 9 points ahead of Cuccinelli, the current state attorney general.

That's the largest lead McAuliffe has had in the race so far, and we're only a week into the shutdown.


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yes, Virginia. There really is a federal government role in the economy.

oddly, the republicans are adopting the same argument of some confederate supporters who after the civil war tried to undermine the us public debt to veterans and others. the union forces which held congress thus put into the 14th amendment the clause that the public debt shall not be questioned. every day, the tea baggers question it! sadly, Obama and the dems fail to point out their unconstitutional, illegal, oath breaking crime. essentially the same as rebelling. and every time we hear the word debt ceiling -- as if there isn't a debt in existence ALREADY higher than the faux ceiling -- our minds are trained and subverted to question the public debt. the gop and tea baggers get so much power from the words they use which we adopt like little stupid sheep.

we're not raising the debt ceiling. a debt ceiling, obviously, would cap and limit debt. but our debt is over the so called debt ceiling. the words debt ceiling let all the ignorant folk think this is really about preventing debt when it's about paying it.

the impairment of contracts clause is a separate constitutional basis for saying no law needs to be passed, in order to honor our debts. the same power you have to pay your light bill and not your amex bill when you're short of funds gives the president the power to pay our debts and pick and choose to not pay some and pay others. or to borrow money in a crisis. he should simply announce he's going to honor our debts and fuck congressional tea baggers who are the moral equivalents of confederate soldiers or the fucking this case, the words are no hyperbole, this legislation called the 14th amendment is in direct reaction to klan type efforts to subvert the union victory. in fact, he should call this the last act of the fucking civil war. he can't arrest them, can't cut their salary, but he can call them out and stand up for our public debt like the fucking constitution says he MUST do.
Posted by obama needs more backbone on October 8, 2013 at 6:16 AM · Report this
Boring Dad is Boring 2
zOMG!!1! The House should *immediately* renounce its constitutional prerogative so that the Republican candidate in the Virginia race for governor loses by 5 or fewer points!

Giving a few hundred thousand government workers a paid vacation has been so devastating, I'd be surprised if there isn't a Democratic supermajority in both houses in 2014.
Posted by Boring Dad is Boring on October 8, 2013 at 6:19 AM · Report this
sasha 3
Glad to see this story getting traction here. Couldn't happen to a more deserving shitty teabagger from Hell.
Posted by sasha on October 8, 2013 at 6:28 AM · Report this
seatackled 4
The Supreme Court also rejected Cuccinelli's appeal to reoutlaw SODOMY in Virginia.…
Posted by seatackled on October 8, 2013 at 6:31 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 5
I think republicans will only suffer long term in this if the government is shut down long enough to stop the government assistance checks from going out to their core constituents.

We all know that the red states are the welfare queens. If their social security checks stop, it may seriously influence their politics.

@2: No one is getting a paid vacation. I would say you simply missed the point, but you do not appear to be on the same plane as the point. You should change your avatar to Gomer Pyle.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 8, 2013 at 6:32 AM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 6
Actually, The house passed a bill providing back pay for the furloughed workers. So it really is some sort of to-be-paid vacation (if the Senate approves it). The furloughed workers will undoubtedly need overtime to handle the work that is accumulating, so what is the point of this, other than Republican theatre?
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay on October 8, 2013 at 6:43 AM · Report this
Boring Dad is Boring 7
@5: Every single federal employee will get his or her full wages, just like every single other time this has happened, you naive, credulous dickwad.
Posted by Boring Dad is Boring on October 8, 2013 at 6:45 AM · Report this
seatackled 8
Vacations are things that people plan and schedule ahead of time and are able to spend money for, if they choose to go somewhere, because they have saved for it.

Even if federal workers are eventually paid, they are basically laid off. It's not a vacation, and calling it such says everything anyone needs to know about you.
Posted by seatackled on October 8, 2013 at 7:04 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 9
@7: Oh so they are going to be paid for the work they are doing? So it is not a vacation, now is it? Thanks for proving my point for me. Also, for the workers who are not going to work (a few friends of mine are in this boat) they are actually not being paid right now, and it is up to the House to ensure this happens, so it really is up in the air. I would not trust this House to boil an egg properly.

I would call you a naive credulous dickwad, but since I am an adult, I see no point.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 8, 2013 at 7:12 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 10
@ 7, are they getting that money NOW, as they would if truly on a paid vacation? Do they have that money NOW to pay the bills?

Speak up, I can't hear you.

What's that? No, they aren't?

Well then. What Gorath said.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 8, 2013 at 7:16 AM · Report this
sasha 11
The rhetoric of "paid vacation" I've seen here is frustrating:
Yes the fed workers will get back pay once the government gets back to work.
However many of them are facing quite the economic hardship as those checks aren't going to arrive until this shutdown ends.
Also the places where those workers shop are losing the business they'd get presently.
With a lot of these people and businesses cash flow matters.
Secondly for a number of federal employees work there because they believe in what they are doing and want to do right by our country. It's not about clocking in and getting the hours, its abotu seeing projects through to their completion. Many of them (some of whom I consider trusted colleagues and friends) are prohibited presently from going into work, logging into their office computers or even attending nearby meetings where work related material might be discussed. They are watching the projects, assignments, and programs which they are involved fall apart because of the Tea Party's hijacking of democracy.
Posted by sasha on October 8, 2013 at 7:25 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 12
I am an Italian American who was raised RCC. It boggles my mind that adults are so brainwashed by this dogma, that they believe they should impose it on others. It is such nonsense and fantasy and its history so clearly shows them on the wrong side. But still they persist.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on October 8, 2013 at 7:31 AM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 13
The house already passed the pay bill, but it is being held up in the Senate by a Texas Senator.

My point in the whole "vacation" thing was that there is absolutely nothing to be gained from this shutdown. We will be paying furloughed workers for sitting at home, and we will be paying many of them OT to handle the backlog once they return.

Yes, there are many human aspects I am leaving out in that statement, but I am concentrating on the "business" aspect of it, as the Republicans fancy themselves the party of business and fiscal responsibility - something they fail miserably at time and again, yet the mythology behind that is strong.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay on October 8, 2013 at 7:37 AM · Report this
fletc3her 14
Two points.

One, this is costing us a lot of money. Let's assume everyone gets wages for the time they were furloughed. That means we pay a lot of workers their full pay, plus we pay to dig out of the backlog that's being created.

Two, it gets worse for workers the longer the shutdown occurs because knowing you're going to be paid eventually is not the same as having cash on hand.

Every day the shutdown continues costs us a small fortune and increases the pain for government workers. Let's end this farce now.
Posted by fletc3her on October 8, 2013 at 8:06 AM · Report this
emma's bee 15
@13: many, many (if not most) Federal workers furloughed right now are exempt and won't be getting overtime as they try to clear the backlog from their desks.

Sasha is absolutely correct above. Many important scientific projects at NIH, CDC, EPA, USGS, NOAA, NASA, NPS, etc are critically interrupted and won't be easily recoverable if this Teabagger-induced farce doesn't end soon.

Who are we kidding, this country is and has been for some time in a race to become Mississippi.
Posted by emma's bee on October 8, 2013 at 8:14 AM · Report this
AFinch 16
The teahadi racist backlash against Obama began in Virginia in the '09 off-year Gubernatorial election, and the '13 VA gubernatorial will be the other bookend on that "movement". I did a lot of electoral work as a local party hack in '09 and it was brutal; thank dog the left base has come out this time instead of staying home and taking a rest. The additional boost from the (normally GOP) MI Complex Contractor constituency (very large here in VA) who are fed up with having the Teahadis messing around with their cut from Uncle Sugar, has finally wrought some sense into people.

Everyone was warned in '09 about McDonnell's christo-fascist misogynist tendencies and they ignored it; this time the "independents" (women anyway) are believing us when we say their reproductive rights are under serious threat from talibangelicals like Cooch and EW Jackson (even crazier). The gap is almost all gender gap.
Posted by AFinch on October 8, 2013 at 8:26 AM · Report this
Boring Dad is Boring 17
@9, 10: I am sobbing, literally spilling tears all over my keyboard here, as I imagine the plight of the suburban DC dad who usually works at the Pentagon, planning the next wave of drone murders of third world children, being unable to get in his BMW and go to wor... oh, nope, wait, Barry said it's OK for him to work during this shutdown, along with all of the other 400,000 of his "shut down" coworkers.

But what of the career NSA intelligence analyst, who spends her days patriotically intercepting and reading the private communications of every single American, how will we get by now that she sits in an unheated ramshackle house, drinking Sanka, because she's been furlou... oops, no, she's at work looking through my PC.

At least we can rest easy not having to worry about the DEA breaking dow... FUCK.

You people are like infants, propped up, drooling, alternating between pissing your onesies in fear and then gobbling up whatever pureed pile of shit is put on a spoon in front of you.

@13: You really, *really* think there's nothing to be gained? No leverage? You honestly can't look one single move ahead in how this works?
Posted by Boring Dad is Boring on October 8, 2013 at 8:27 AM · Report this
raindrop 18
@7: Despite Catalina's unbreakable far-left ideology, unfortunate as that is - those other adjectives you used on her are inaccurate and inappropriate.
Posted by raindrop on October 8, 2013 at 8:28 AM · Report this
dnt trust me 19

You say "Who are we kidding, this country is and has been for some time in a race to become Mississippi."

That's why most of my comments are nonsense and bullshit. Why be sincere and full of concern when the America Full Of Crap is busy flushing down the toilet.
Posted by dnt trust me on October 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM · Report this
@17 actually a lot of us in the booze industry are affected by the shutdown. There are many losing tens of thousands of dollars waiting for the TTB to reopen so that they can get permitted their Brewers Notice.
Hell, I have a container full of imported wines for the holidays that need their COLA. This shutdown is killing my business. It's far from funny.
Posted by CbytheSea on October 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM · Report this
Boring Dad is Boring 21
@11: Look, you uneducated jackass, Jefferson, Madison, Paine and Adams are the ones who “hijacked democracy" when they wrote (and got ratified with the help of some asshole named Washington) a constitution that specifically avoided democracy in order to establish a constitutional republic with division of powers. Somehow it has managed to work for 225 years - those ancient terrorists with bombs strapped to their chests have managed to hold a gun to the head of the country for coming up on a quarter of a millennium.
Posted by Boring Dad is Boring on October 8, 2013 at 8:42 AM · Report this
raindrop 22
@20: COLA = Certificate of Label Approval
TTB = Tobacco and Trade Bureau
You could have had the courtesy the spell them out and have saved me a few seconds in a search engine.
Posted by raindrop on October 8, 2013 at 8:51 AM · Report this
Well, a 9 points lead over a Republican that is ideologically between Attila the Hun and Genghis Khan isn't especially remarkable, especially that the other notable candidate is a libertarian loon. Of course, it's unlikely that a neoliberal quasi-billionaire like McAuliffe could have much appeal for the average Virginian. This race shows there is effectively no political representation for over half of the political spectrum and it happens to be the the half that proposes policies reasonating with most Americans. How do you expect people to turnout and vote considering the bleak choice?
Posted by anon1256 on October 8, 2013 at 9:00 AM · Report this
raindrop 24
@21: What? Now I will start calling you expletives. Are you actually saying that you want a form of government with only legislative majority rule each and every time in all cases and circumstances?
Posted by raindrop on October 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 25
@17 And comments like that are why nobody takes you seriously.
But a s a representative of typical republican stupidity, I think you set a shining example, far better than some of our more regular examples of republican stupid here on Slog.

@Raindrop- my, you're being an especially whiny little bitch this morning.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on October 8, 2013 at 9:07 AM · Report this
blip 26
WTF is with the irrational, self-satisfied abuse in this thread? It's like a Seattleblues wankfest in here, only without the overt signs of latent homosexuality. Yet.

It will be interesting to see what happens after the ACA has been in place and the nightmarish hellscape the Republiqueens promised never happens. The GOP will definitely suffer once people realize all this drama was for nothing, but unfortunately the ones in the house responsible for this won't be going anywhere. They all come from districts where the white guy who passed health care reform won by 50-point-plus margins in 2012.
Posted by blip on October 8, 2013 at 9:08 AM · Report this
seatackled 27
I usually just skip over Boring's posts, but of course you catch a glimpse as you scroll by. I don't recall this persona being so vulgar--has this been typical? Or is it just the poster weeping over the banning of his or her Cody account (which I recall grew from pointless short sentences to pointless lengthy paragraphs)?
Posted by seatackled on October 8, 2013 at 9:10 AM · Report this
@22, you learned something today.
It's a very serious matter and immensely frustrating. There are all kinds of new businesses and existing business that affected by this. As I wrote to every Washington state rep.: as an employer of five, the cost of health care is a concern but not nearly as concerning as not knowing when I'll be able to do business again.
Anti-government dudes like Boring Dad can yuck it up about federal workers but he needs to realize the shutdown is hurting small businesses and it's only getting worse.
Posted by CbytheSea on October 8, 2013 at 9:11 AM · Report this
seatackled 29

Oh, yeah, that's right, Seattleblues. I'd actually forgotten about that one.
Posted by seatackled on October 8, 2013 at 9:13 AM · Report this
raindrop 30
@25: Not really, but yes - my @22 post was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek but it did come through as whiney. Sorry CbytheSea.
Posted by raindrop on October 8, 2013 at 9:14 AM · Report this
@27 Cody was that mister g/noicons/unbrainwashed dude.
Boring dude showed up righty after Newtown. He normally is super obsessed with guns.
Posted by CbytheSea on October 8, 2013 at 9:14 AM · Report this
With five-thirty-eight being retooled, what is the latest central political poll wankfest I can go to to see how Republican gubernatorial candidates are faring since the shutdown?
Posted by Rename your country Fucktardica on October 8, 2013 at 9:14 AM · Report this
@30 I thought you were being cheeky, you did admit it took seconds out of your day. No harm no foul in my book.
Posted by CbytheSea on October 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM · Report this
Max Solomon 34
edwin meese doesn't care about the VA governor's race. some men just want to see the world burn.
Posted by Max Solomon on October 8, 2013 at 9:33 AM · Report this
pfffter 35
@21 I look forward to the day you die of an apoplectic fit and your mean-spirited ignorance dies along with you. I realize I probably won't know about it, but the surety of it's occurrence is a given, so I'm celebrating now.
Posted by pfffter on October 8, 2013 at 9:46 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 36
@ 17, I believe you have the slightest concern about drone use like I believe you're a formidable intellect.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 8, 2013 at 9:51 AM · Report this
ScrawnyKayaker 37
@16 I've been amazed for years at the cognitive dissonance of the devoted Repug voters who don't realize that THEY are on the dole. Example: Fucking Southern California's half-century of growth as a real estate paradise was fed on postwar/cold war MIC contracts, watered by giant, federally funded water projects and until the last couple of decades, had nearly free education for the brats at excellent state universities, but do those bastards have one whit of appreciation for their tax-supported lifestyle? No, they voted steadily for the people yelling the loudest about the ebil gubmint.
Posted by ScrawnyKayaker on October 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM · Report this
It will be interesting to see what happens after the ACA has been in place and the nightmarish hellscape the Republiqueens promised never happens.

They will MAKE it happen.

That's what they've been doing for the last 20 years - sabotaging the economy. We call it hellscape. They'll call it the utopia of the deserving few.
Posted by tkc on October 8, 2013 at 10:09 AM · Report this
I'm suddenly soooo in favor of drones and the NSA right now.

Oh. By the by - the furloughed NSA worker who's spying on you poor beleaguered Libertarians? She isn't in DC.

She'd be a good mormon Republican at the Utah Data Center in Camp Williams. That's where the so-called cyber spying is done.

Then again, I'm edjumatkated.

Posted by tkc on October 8, 2013 at 10:15 AM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 40
We all know that the red states are the welfare queens. If their social security checks stop, it may seriously influence their politics.
Unfortunately, it will probably only further entrench them against the democrats and against their own self-interests even more.

To paraphrase Thomas Frank's What's the Matter with Kansas?: The more the GOP takes away from their voting base, the louder that voting base supports the GOP.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on October 8, 2013 at 10:31 AM · Report this
AFinch 41
@23 - it's a big margin (though not as big as the 18 point trouncing in '09) but when you consider just how bad a candidate McAuliffe is, then it's remarkable.
Posted by AFinch on October 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM · Report this
@41 - You make a good point. How will voter turnout compare to the 36% of 2009?
Posted by anon1256 on October 8, 2013 at 11:33 AM · Report this
Boring Dad is Boring 43
@37: Exactly right. Everyone's a purist until they realize their particular ox is about to get so much as a nick, let alone gored. Major donors funnel money into both Team Red and Team Blue to cover all bases, no matter who has a political gavel at any particular time. It's disgusting. The fact that people are willing to get baited by bullshit sideshows from one team or the other, while completely overlooking the rot at the core, is why I get vulgar.
Posted by Boring Dad is Boring on October 8, 2013 at 1:31 PM · Report this
bullshit sideshows from one team or the other, while completely overlooking the rot at the core, is why I get vulgar.

...or maaaaybe because you're just an asshole?
Posted by tkc on October 8, 2013 at 4:35 PM · Report this
Boring Dad is Boring 45
@18: I don't think I said anything to her? I thought she was kinda-sorta agreeing with my point...

@24: I am not even sure what that question means - if you're asking "do you think the US constitution as evolved over the past 225 years is the least-bad of a lot of shitty alternatives," my answer is yes.

@27: You're right, bad mood today. Sorry.

@35: You and me both, brother. I'll try to make sure you're notified.

@39: I don't think I said "she" was in DC, but thanks for the clarification. Wherever she is, I hope her job ceases to exist very soon and she's publicly scorned, because she's an un-American piece of Stasi shit.

@44: You are probably correct. Carry on.
Posted by Boring Dad is Boring on October 8, 2013 at 4:57 PM · Report this

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