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Sunday, October 6, 2013

Speaker Boehner Threatens Default Because He's a Terrorist

Posted by on Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Interviewed on ABC's "This Week" this morning, US House Speaker John Boehner threatened to plunge the nation into a catastrophic debt default:

"We're not going to pass a clean debt limit increase," he said. "I told the president, there's no way we're going to pass one. The votes are not in the House to pass a clean debt limit. And the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us."

But of course, President Obama can't negotiate with Republicans on this because this is economic terrorism, and you just can't negotiate with terrorists. I mean, if the Teabaggers manage to kill Obamacare in exchange for passing a clean budget and debt ceiling increase, what do they demand be sacrificed the next time the debt ceiling approaches? Social Security? Medicare? Abortion rights? Where does the extortion end?

No, with Boehner threatening default—and the irreparable economic calamity it would bring—the only option remaining to the president may be a Predator drone strike. Perhaps that's why Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel suddenly recalled defense workers?

 

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Max Solomon 1
i wish obama/hagel hadn't done that. every other part of the federal government republicans can live without out of spite. every little bean counter in the military, no way. they're too scared.

BTW, boehner is posturing. of course the votes are there - put up something the DINOs can live with and let the teahadis stamp their feet.
Posted by Max Solomon on October 6, 2013 at 9:09 AM · Report this
Posted by Merchant Seaman on October 6, 2013 at 9:15 AM · Report this
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Now that I think about what you just wrote, I notice you're not that far from calling for "second amendment solutions"
Posted by Merchant Seaman on October 6, 2013 at 9:17 AM · Report this
Residual 4
Easy now
Posted by Residual on October 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM · Report this
raindrop 5
Terrorism? You know Goldy, your career would advance a lot faster if you didn't slip into hyperbole all the time.
Posted by raindrop on October 6, 2013 at 9:23 AM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 6
At what point does America stop spending more money than it takes in? Is that point coming? I don't see how the nation can continue to spend with little regard for the amount owed.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on October 6, 2013 at 9:27 AM · Report this
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I reported Goldy to the Secret Service.
Posted by A true patriot on October 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM · Report this
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@6 - We have a large debt due to the economic depression, kickbacks to the MIC and tax cuts for the rich. Cutting spending will send the economy into a tailspin. Check out Europe for a poster child for austerity. Time to get back to >70% marginal tax rate and reduce inequality that is bad for the economy
Posted by anon1256 on October 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM · Report this
Phoebe in Wallingford 9
@8: What is MIC?
Posted by Phoebe in Wallingford on October 6, 2013 at 9:49 AM · Report this
Goldy 10
@6 That's because you apparently have no idea how money works. The US can continue to spend more than it takes in, indefinitely, as long as the economy grows faster than the debt, and we maintain a favorable credit rating.
Posted by Goldy on October 6, 2013 at 9:50 AM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 11
There's a huge difference between Boehner causing a shutdown by refusing to bring a continuing resolution to a vote when everyone knows the votes are there to pass it, and Boehner counting heads and predicting that there aren't enough votes to pass the debt ceiling increase. The first is Boehner kowtowing to a minority and damaging the country in the process.

The second -- even if the prediction is true -- is just the way congress is supposed to work. If Obama thinks Boehner's head count is wrong, putting it to a vote will settle the question, and then they can negotiate more, if necessary.

You'd have to be drunk (at 9 am on Sunday?) to think the President should bomb congress for not voting the way he likes.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on October 6, 2013 at 9:50 AM · Report this
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Put it up for a vote and prove it. Stop saying you would love to do this or that, but it won't work so why bother. I can't imagine this orange whore has a job next year.
Posted by hal on October 6, 2013 at 9:53 AM · Report this
Banna 13
This should make some Teahadist heads explode:

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"If we had had the French health care system, which is one of the most expensive in the world, it would have provided universal coverage and it also would have saved us so much money that we could have eliminated the individual income tax"


No income tax! But socialism! But no income tax! But sociali*BOOM*
Posted by Banna http://www.ucp.org on October 6, 2013 at 9:59 AM · Report this
fletc3her 14
Boehner's job is to pass a budget, send it to the Senate, iron out the differences, and send it on to the President to sign. Until the President has something to sign or veto Boehner has simply not done his job.

Boehner is apparently looking for a grand compromise of some sort, but what he needs to do is figure out what budget he can pass which will be minimally acceptable to the Senate. Obama can lob veto threats, but until he has something on his desk he's hardly in the game.

If Boehner were a strong speaker for the house he'd be forcing Obama to put up or shut up. As it is, he can't even seem to start negotiation with the Senate.
Posted by fletc3her on October 6, 2013 at 10:06 AM · Report this
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@9 - Military-Industrial Complex
Posted by anon1256 on October 6, 2013 at 10:06 AM · Report this
Max Solomon 16
@9: MIC = Military-Industrial Complex. WTFU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBR…
Posted by Max Solomon on October 6, 2013 at 10:08 AM · Report this
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@10 The US can continue to spend more than it takes in, indefinitely, as long as the economy grows faster than the debt, and we maintain a favorable credit rating.

Well, credit rating is a scale in relation to all other places that borrow/pay back money. As for the debt.... when was the last time the economy was growing faster than the debt (which has interest payments too) ? 6% economic growth seems pretty amazing to sustain... the last time we had a GDP spike above 5% was in 1984.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/wash…
The soaring national debt has reached a symbolic tipping point: It's now as big as the entire U.S. economy.

Long-term projections suggest the debt will continue to grow faster than the economy, which would have to expand by at least 6% a year to keep pace.
Posted by ChefJoe on October 6, 2013 at 10:10 AM · Report this
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If we had kept the Clinton tax rates, which placed us in a surplus, we would have retired the debt during the Bush administration, we could have then used the money spent on interest to fund social services, and have a tax cut.

If we went back to the Eisenhower tax rates...
Posted by Merchant Seaman on October 6, 2013 at 10:21 AM · Report this
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me 19
An intelligent executive might avoid giving them the leverage by not spending so fucking much money that he's got to beg for more borrow clearance every couple years....
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on October 6, 2013 at 10:43 AM · Report this
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me 20
@10
But the political cost of that is having to go back to congress every time you want to borrow more. (And you're assuming an awful lot of very be ifs).
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on October 6, 2013 at 10:48 AM · Report this
fletc3her 21
@19 I don't think the President has that kind of authority. Lawsuits have been brought against federal agencies which were not doing their job. The President can't for example simply decide to stop spending any money on the EPA or NASA since those funds are allocated by statute for specific purposes.
Posted by fletc3her on October 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM · Report this
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Everybody, it's sarcasm! Goldy isn't really saying that Obama should bomb/kill Republicans! Are *you* drunk this early Sunday morning?

Goldy's right. This is more than just about Obamacare or the debt ceiling. This is about the whole damn strategy of the minority wackos in Congress of getting major concessions by threatening to damage the entire nation. It *is* hostage taking and it has been working so far. This is, finally, the first time Obama has said, "Enough!" because if he sacrifices Obamacare then what's next? If Obama does "negotiate" - meaning, give away Obamacare or Social Security or tax cuts for the rich or corporations, or something like that - then he's validating, once more, the Republicans' hostage-taking strategy and, I guarantee it, they will do it again next time. It's selfish and heartless and corrupt and irresponsible. "Screw the country! Screw our greatness! We want what we want!" Plus, Obama has repeatedly said he wouldn't "negotiate" (anymore, after five years), so if he caves in then he will greatly undermine himself for the rest of his administration. And the hostage-takers will still be extracting their due. There's just no reason for Obama to give in.

So the worst that can happen is that, indeed, Tea Party House Republicans force a default because they know there won't be any major immediate political fallout because of gerrymandering. So be it. Let's sink the ship, because we can't be continually chipping away at the poor and middle class and transferring their share of the national wealth to the richest, which is what we've been doing. If the ship does sink, or the house burns down, or whatever analogy you want to us, then maybe the crisis will force drastic changes. At this point, I just don't care anymore. I'm sick and tired of it.

Genious @17, if the government stops "spending" - meaning it stops investing in the basic functions of society and its people, rather than giving away massive, massive tax cuts and monetary incentives to the richest elements of society (I guess that doesn't count as "spending"), then the whole of society will suffer because all of society depends on the government "spending" to make it run. NO COUNTRY has ever pulled ahead by its government refusing to fund and invest on itself (at least no large or medium-sized country). On the other hand, nation's have gotten out of slumps by going in major investment binges. Look what the post-war boom did for us. Hell, look at how China's economy went on hyperspeed (relatively speaking) when its government decided to start building stuff left and right. When you stop spending and start worrying (ostensibly) about "The debt! The debt!" then you end up with Greece and Spain.
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Posted by floater on October 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 23
@1, 11, & 12:
Some analysts say Boehner's posturing is just... *JUST* so that feeble whore can save his job.

Because he would be within his rights as Speaker to ignore the Hastert Rule (it is only a custom, not an actual in-the-books rule), but doing so would mean he loses his job tout suite, when the teabaggers punish him by voting a new Speaker in.

So we're watching our economy implode simply because that fuckstick doesn't want to give up his cushy gig as Speaker of the House.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on October 6, 2013 at 11:15 AM · Report this
Last of the Time Lords 24
There's probably a 30% chance of default at this point. Probably won't happen but certainly not outside of the realm of reality.

But I'm sure we will see "The Grand Bargain" back on the table sometime this week.
Posted by Last of the Time Lords on October 6, 2013 at 11:39 AM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 25
@23

You're referring to not bringing the continuing resolution to a vote. That was to please the teabaggers and keep his job.

Now if he also refuses to bring the debt ceiling to a vote, then you could make the same point. But if he lets them vote on it and it doesn't pass, then that's the will of the people's house.

If you wan to argue that the House has no right to ever refuse to raise the debt ceiling, then the debt ceiling itself is an invalid concept and we should ignore it. But Obama says he recognizes it and therefore he recognizes the right of Congress to not raise it.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on October 6, 2013 at 11:54 AM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 26
@22

Jokes about assassinating congress members are just as shitty as jokes about assassinating the president. I've never understood why people like Goldy think they can call out wing nuts for doing it every day, then go and do it themselves protected by some kind of hypocritical "irony". He thinks he has a be-an-asshole-free card.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on October 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM · Report this
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@13 While your quote is an accurate quote, in looking at your link, it is clear the person making the statement meant to say either "inexpensive" or "expansive" , because they go on to say:

"Our excess health care costs above those of the French were a little over 6 percent of the economy and the income tax in 2010 brought in about 6 percent of the economy."
Posted by cracked on October 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM · Report this
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@26 I'm guessing the point Goldy was trying to make is that the President is happily willing to execute US citizens without trial using drones, but when it comes to sticking up for the well-being of ordinary citizens he doesn't have the backbone to take to push the envelope.
Posted by cracked on October 6, 2013 at 12:07 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 29
@28

Then he should laugh at the funny, funny joke whenever the likes of Sarah Palin or Ted Nugent or one of those dumb fucks makes it. Instead of calling foul.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on October 6, 2013 at 12:20 PM · Report this
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Threatening violence against people doing their jobs is all fun and games at the Stranger. Just ask Dominic about how much of a gas he had when Officer Marion offered to join him at The Stranger offices to help with the writing process.
Posted by ChefJoe on October 6, 2013 at 12:30 PM · Report this
venomlash 31
We don't negotiate with terrorists. And the House does have the votes for a clean bill. If Boehner has any courage, he'll call an up-or-down vote on it.
Posted by venomlash on October 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 32
Hyperbole, raindrop? What would you call it?
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 6, 2013 at 12:43 PM · Report this
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Here's my little fantasy:

The President comes on TV, looking as solemn and formal as ever. "My fellow Americans, due entirely to unprecedented and unConstitutional posturing by the Republican Party cabal that has seized control of the House of Representatives, the United States, the richest country on Earth, has run out of money. Given our current tax revenues, we can continue to service our debt obligations and maintain the full faith and credit of the United States. To fail to do that would wreak untold havoc on the world's economy as well as our own. Unfortunately, that is all we can afford to do. Effective immediately, all government functions are hereby suspended. We are even notifying utilities which supply services to any of our buildings, including the White House and the Congress to shut it off because we can't pay our bills anymore. We are suspending all government contracts and all payments by GSA or the Treasury, and furloughing all Federal employees. Social Security recipients will have to wait for their payments until such time as employees return. All military personnel are ordered to return to base and await demobilization orders. Due to the lack of federal inspection and support personnel, all airports, ports, canals, locks and federally operated railways are now closed. Please join me in praying that the Republican cabal that cut off our funding will reverse course. Thank you."
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on October 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM · Report this
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I do so love Goldstein's money lending lectures.
Posted by WhoKilledOurLordJesus? on October 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 35
This is about the Republicans trying to nullify the last two elections by force. It has zero to do with the debt. Either we are a democracy or this is a Republican dictatorship. You decide.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on October 6, 2013 at 12:57 PM · Report this
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Boehner has no courage; his job does not require it. And his concept of his job is to KEEP his job. To do that, he can't possibly call for a vote. We're stuck.
Posted by sarah70 on October 6, 2013 at 1:04 PM · Report this
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@35 - Of course it has nothing with the debt. It has to do with Republicans and their corporate backers wanting to defund the programs they don't like and erase the little that's left of the New Deal. Note that this has been facilitated by corporatist Democrats over the last 30 year who haven't offered an alternative to the neoliberal trinity of deregulation, privatization and outsourcing.

One would hope that the GOP's shutting down of government and the blow it represents to American's institutions and credibility abroad would definitely stick a knife into the myth that Republicans are the champions of America's image and strength. Unfortunately, there will be nobody in the corporate media to point out the vacuity of their posturing.
Posted by anon1256 on October 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM · Report this
MrBaker 38
Sorry Goldy, no "Predator drone strike". The folks that make such things are looking at furloughs.
You'd have to have one surplus from Afganistan, and that's not ever going to happen.
Posted by MrBaker http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ on October 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM · Report this
MrBaker 39
Appropriations come from the legislature, not from the Executive.
True at the fed level, true at our state level, true at City of Seattle level.
Posted by MrBaker http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ on October 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM · Report this
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@19 Congress sets spending levels. But you knew that, right?
Posted by shabadoo on October 6, 2013 at 2:31 PM · Report this
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@19: they passed those budgets. Pretending they are not responsible is ludicrous.

@27: Incorrect. He meant expensive. The point is that this other very expensive health care system would still be so much cheaper that we could have no income tax and pay for it.
Posted by Hanoumatoi on October 6, 2013 at 2:49 PM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 42
#8 and #10 HELLO! debt is caused by borrowing more money than one has, not an economic down turn, a political fight in DC, lazy congress folks, or illegal immigrants picking berries. Debt is borrowing money one otherwise does not have to fund or buy things with the idea of paying it back with interest. On a finite planet economic growth is finite due to limited everything. There is NO "indefinitely".
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on October 6, 2013 at 3:07 PM · Report this
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Goldy is correct in his assessment of John Boehner as an economic terrorist. Because what he is trying to do is force Obama to accede to Republican demands under pain of Global economic catastrophe. He does this because he knows he doesn't have the votes in the senate to get Republican demands completely accepted.

If Harry Reid did that to raise taxes or get single payer healthcare passed, would anyone consider it a legitimate act?

If Al Qaeda got a computer virus and threatened to bring down all electronic trading unless the US agreed to help establish a Sunni Islamic caliphate in the middle east and north Africa, would that be considered a legitimate negotiation tactic?
Posted by Daniel Francis on October 6, 2013 at 3:17 PM · Report this
Boring Dad is Boring 44
@35: Or, we're a constitutional republic, you ignorant, hysterical jackhole.
Posted by Boring Dad is Boring on October 6, 2013 at 4:21 PM · Report this
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@42 - It's just a matter of fact that the debt to gdp ratio *doubled* following the housing bubble burst; the economic crash that followed caused a huge decrease in revenue, increase in unemployment-type program pay-outs and some stimulus spending that was ~50% tax cuts. Otherwise, since WW2, debt to gdp ratio increased every time taxes were cut and military spending increased (Reagan and Bush2).

This said, I entirely agree that whatever rebuilding of the economy we do has to be on a 100% sustainable path that accounts for the earth being mostly a closed system (except for the flux of solar energy, which is quite significant). Passing from a free for all growth economy to one that accounts for resource limits and ecosystem services depletion will involve major readjustment of our modes of production and consumption.
Posted by anon1256 on October 6, 2013 at 4:29 PM · Report this
lauramae 46
The debt ceiling has nothing to do with spending but rather the agreement to cover the spending the Congress already voted to authorize. And yeah, this has nothing to do with the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling is just another tool that these assholes are using to usurp the process in Congress, which is about majority rule. Insisting that the majority cave into every demand that the minority has or else you'll pull the pin on the grenade is terrorism.

It certainly isn't governance. I don't quite understand how the rest of the House can't just do an end run around that fucking prick.

The "destroy the economy" strategy is one that doesn't merit any serious consideration unless that consideration involves torches and pitchforks or getting thrown into Guantanamo and water boarded just like Boehner and his ilk deserve.
Posted by lauramae on October 6, 2013 at 5:10 PM · Report this
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How about this? Obama simply gives a counter-offer in kind: He uses his power as Commander in Chief to order all military personnel and equipment currently located in 'red states' and Republican Congressional districts to be relocated to 'blue state' venues unless the Republicans decide to take their threat off the table? Or perhaps he can also threaten to order all border patrol personnel along the Texas and Arizona borders to go home for a couple of weeks.

It seems to me that as a negotiation tactic, 'turnaround' is utterly fair. After all, isn't the idea of threatening serious harm to innocent people the sole reason the Republican threat has any meaning at all? So why not let both sides play that way.
Posted by J. Danforth on October 6, 2013 at 5:24 PM · Report this
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And yes, Lauramae, you are completely correct. John Boehner is threatening ordinary people by pledging, in effect, not to fund the debts HE HIMSELF supported (like the debt incurred by the Iraq war), unless he gets his way on a completely unrelated issue.

As the NY Times cartoon indirectly pointed out, this is really no different morally from inviting some ordinary folks without much income (like most ordinary Americans) to dinner at a ultra-expensive NY restaurant, then eating like a pig and ordering endless bottles of wine until the bill is many thousands of dollars, then concluding the meal by refusing to pay unless you perhaps get some "concessions" from your guests.
Posted by J. Danforth on October 6, 2013 at 5:35 PM · Report this
Phoebe in Wallingford 49
@48: And Obama is the sommelier?
Posted by Phoebe in Wallingford on October 6, 2013 at 5:46 PM · Report this
Original Andrew 50
@ 26,

The psychopathic, sadistic, hate-KKKrazed nut cases of the US CONgress are a far greater imminent threat to the American people than any terrorists ever could be. They've already killed millions and ruined millions of other innocent lives.
Posted by Original Andrew on October 6, 2013 at 5:57 PM · Report this
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Carl at horsesass.org has the best idea I've heard, and I quote:

OK, so I think I’ve figured out how to (a) have the House Republicans do their job passing a clean continuing resolution, and (b) let the House Republicans claim victory. Senate Democrats should load up a continuing resolution with some things they’d like. They can have a public option, or lower Medicare age (preferably to birth). Basically, they should negotiate this funding the government thing with the same bad faith as the Republicans.

Then when the Republicans inevitably, eventually do their job and fund the government, they can say to their Tea Party constituency, “Oh hey, we totally stopped the public option. Health care could have been more affordable still, but no.”
Posted by NotYourStrawMan on October 6, 2013 at 6:40 PM · Report this
delirian 52
@22: Oh, I get it. It is funny because it is sarcasm. It is sort of like when Goldy says we should bomb Congress or that some politician is mentally retarded, it is funny because he is on the left. But when Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh say the same, it is offensive and not funny.
Posted by delirian on October 6, 2013 at 7:11 PM · Report this
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@49, Obama's not the one threatening to destroy the US economy if his demands are not yet.

You must be a pretty stupid person if you can't figure that out.
Posted by GermanSausage on October 6, 2013 at 7:20 PM · Report this
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I've been reading some John Tamny.... Is that guy a giant troll? He suggests that the Republicans should "take credit" for the shutdown, and that the best way to tell if Global Warming is dangerous is to look at the markets.....................
Posted by Hanoumatoi on October 6, 2013 at 7:22 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 55
@51

Much better than the Pyrrhic victory of minting a platinum coin or just ignoring the debt ceiling. You can't calm the markets by provoking a constitutional crisis and a prolonged court battle over the limits of Presidential power.

In the end, this is a legislative battle and legislators campaign on what they voted up and what they voted down. If they don't get something to vote up, you have to give them something to vote down.

This Carl person should try to bring Goldy up to speed on how laws get made.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on October 6, 2013 at 7:23 PM · Report this
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@42 you won't, but you should watch the link below. All of it not the first 30 seconds and then assume you know what the vid is going to say. Nah you won't watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT…

Posted by Machiavelli was framed on October 6, 2013 at 7:35 PM · Report this
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@56 I enjoy many of your comments, so I was glad to click your link. I've only gotten to about 3 minutes or so into that "Animated Documentary" (which is in fact, just an illustrated opinion piece by someone selling their point of view) and come to my own opinion already that it's a bunch of simple-minded rubbish that tries to make emphatic points out of the narrator's own very limited understanding of how things work.

It confuses currency with debt, for starters. Stating that "the banks conjure the money for loans out of thin air" is simply false and reveals a complete lack of understanding about both money and debt. If you knew anything at all about debt, the market for debt, the Federal Reserve discount rate, bank reserve requirements, securitization, or mortgage filings, you'd know this. I suggest you start with studying the Money Supply numbers, M1, M2 and M3, and then read up on the secondary market for bank mortgages.

I'll give you a hint on that secondary market, above. Mortgages pay interest and are secured with real property. Investors (individuals, banks, trusts, etc.) buy mortgages for the income stream. The value of the mortgage is its net present value as measured by that income stream and the maturation date. (One of the reasons banks sell their mortgages is to improve their reserve ratios. They're willing to accept a little less for their mortgages than they're worth in order to get the right to issue more mortgages and collect the fees for doing so. But, this is a digression.)

It's not tulip bulbs or Beanie Babies. Yes, there are bubbles now and again, but as Will Rogers more or less said, "Buy real estate. They ain't making no more of it." Meanwhile, our population has more than doubled since he more or less said it, and our real GDP per capita, adjusted for inflation, is up about six fold. Here's a clear chart showing the latter.
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Posted by Brooklyn Reader on October 6, 2013 at 10:18 PM · Report this
raindrop 58
@53: What? Phoebe was making a rather astute quip about the gorging at the expense of the American people by both the White House and Congress. You need to nuance a bit and stop being so rude.
Posted by raindrop on October 7, 2013 at 7:32 AM · Report this
Goldy 59
@26 We've been told that it's not an assassination if the government does it. And @28 is right—considering the damage the Teahadists are threatening to do to the nation, I'm just arguing for a consistent policy on terrorism one way or another. Think of it as a two-birds-with-one stone kind of post.
Posted by Goldy on October 7, 2013 at 9:35 AM · Report this
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"But of course, President Obama can't negotiate with Republicans on this because this is economic terrorism, and you just can't negotiate with terrorists."

Nuff said.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on October 7, 2013 at 1:05 PM · Report this
lauramae 61
Aren't these guys guilty of sedition? War against the United States? And of course I mean Boehner and his tea party puppet masters. Seriously I think there is ample grounds to throw the bastards into Guantanamo and water board the shit out of all of them.

Certainly the money behind the overthrow of the US government should be similarly caste out. The NYT article yesterday showing how Koch and others have been engineering this show down since 2010 really makes it plain that this is pretty much a civil war. I don't think it is an exaggeration. Nothing about this looks like democracy. Nothing about what the House is doing looks like the Gingrich shut down 17 years ago. These guys don't want a resolution. I'm not sure why we aren't treating them that way.

I would personally enjoy video of Boehner getting water boarded as well as the other enemies.
Posted by lauramae on October 7, 2013 at 8:59 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 62
I've done counter-terrorism ops and can not disclose specific actions.

That said, most terrorists have more morals than Boehner and his gang.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 9, 2013 at 10:17 PM · Report this

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