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Monday, September 30, 2013

Welcome to the Teapocalypse!

Posted by on Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:03 PM

The federal government officially shut down at midnight Eastern time, you know, just because. Previous government shutdowns have tended to be expensive and painful, but brief. This time though, I'm not so sure about the brief part.

A couple weeks ago somebody asked me if I thought House Republicans would follow through on their threat to force a shutdown, and I responded with a question of my own: "In what world do you live?" Of course we were headed for a shut down. The whole goal of the Tea Party is to dismantle government. How could a shut down be anything but a win-win for them?

Even scarier is the looming debt ceiling crisis, just two and a half weeks away. Not that they understand it or anything, but Teabaggers hate the national debt. And what better way to rein in the debt than by defaulting on it? Nobody would lend us money then, right? Of course, global financial markets would collapse in the process, but who needs global financial markets?

These people aren't just incredibly stupid. They're fucking crazy. And they're driving the Republican Party.

So this only ends one of two ways. Either President Obama caves on what even he now calls Obamacare—which I'm guessing (hoping?) is not going to happen. Or House Republicans defy the Tea Party and risk the wrath of the their idiot base. Don't hold your breath.

 

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This is what the main stream media just doesn't want to talk about honestly: "The whole goal of the Tea Party is to dismantle government. How could a shut down be anything but a win-win for them? "

I suspect that the uberrwealthy like the Koch's think it is all an amusing game.
Posted by cracked on September 30, 2013 at 11:24 PM · Report this
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You missed two other options.

1. Wall Street finally decides to spank the Tea Party.

2. The rest of the world's financial markets spank the Tea Party.
Posted by Machiavelli was framed on September 30, 2013 at 11:27 PM · Report this
Rujax! 3
Don't forget to address your constant angry tweets to @speakerboehner

...helpful hashtags: #tcot #teaparty #gop #shutdowntheGOP #GOPshutdown
Posted by Rujax! http://rujax.blogspot.com/ on September 30, 2013 at 11:31 PM · Report this
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All I hear in my head is Boner.
Posted by ultrasuedecushion on October 1, 2013 at 12:44 AM · Report this
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Shutdown will be awful, but manageable. We have a history of enduring them. The debt ceiling? Not so much.

The debt ceiling thing is ultimately ignorable two different ways: platinum coin or just by Obama deciding follow the part of the law that says the US can't default on its debt. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/30/opinio…
Hopefully someone will have the necessary will if it comes to that.
Posted by dirge on October 1, 2013 at 12:52 AM · Report this
sasha 6
Also, while a bit too far down the road for comfort, Virginia elects a new governor in a little more than a month. The Republican candidate Cuccinelli is a shitty teabagger from hell. Although the democrat McAuliffe has not exactly been inspiring, his message of "I am not a shitty teabagger from hell" has proven quite resonant, and will become more so as Northern Virginians feel the impact of the teabagger's shutdown is felt more strongly. I hope Cuccinelli's downfall will be the first of many.
Posted by sasha on October 1, 2013 at 2:34 AM · Report this
Last of the Time Lords 7
First of all the Teabaggers don't give a shit about the world markets. The entire global economy to collapse and they'd be fine with it. Like Goldy said THIS IS THE GOAL OF THE TEABAGGERS!! They are about destruction.

Secondly, the GOP will still hold on to the House in 2014 due to redistricting. So remember the teabaggers are doing what their consitutancies want them to do.
Posted by Last of the Time Lords on October 1, 2013 at 3:13 AM · Report this
Just Jeff 8
Meh. I'm taking a nap. Wake me when this one is over. Cant the freaking (real) apocalypse get going already? Can't the Cylons just wipe us all out and be done with it already? I'm tired.
Posted by Just Jeff on October 1, 2013 at 5:16 AM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 9
I wonder if this is all part of the conservative mindset to start the apocalypse so Jesus will come back. They'll be saved, and the rest of us heathens will live horrible lives full of locusts and boils that they can then point and laugh at from heaven.

I'm sure many are furiously masturbating to this scenario right now.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on October 1, 2013 at 5:17 AM · Report this
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I really wish I was in the mindset to make the gov't shutdown -return of Christ corollary make sense.
Posted by ultrasuedecushion on October 1, 2013 at 6:08 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 11
Anyone associated with the Tea Party, other than the huge corporate donors behind it, is too stupid to understand domestic or international markets, and the big money backers already are sitting on hundreds of millions, so what the fuck do they care if the middle class and poor have to eat more of the shit sandwich?

As usual, the poor and the middle class, the people least responsible for the damage and the mess, will have to clean it up through their suffering. Meanwhile, those responsible will enjoy their goverment healthcare and taxpayer supplied salaries, while telling the poor and middle class they are irresponsible "takers."
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 1, 2013 at 6:10 AM · Report this
Fnarf 12
The Republican Party is deliberately destroying the United States. The shutdown is going to tank the economy, which is the whole point of the shutdown -- make Obama look bad.

It's treason is what it is. Fucking sons of bitches need to be lined up against a wall and shot.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 6:40 AM · Report this
Pol Pot 13
The only real difference between al,Qaeda and the banana republicans is that al Qaeda poses absolutely no threat to the US.
Posted by Pol Pot http://bottlefuelrag.blogspot.com on October 1, 2013 at 6:49 AM · Report this
Fnarf 14
First casualty locally: Ballard Locks. Ships will still pass on a reduced basis but the gardens are closed and you will not be able to cross on foot or bicycle, which is going to fuck over a lot of commuters.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 6:53 AM · Report this
Max Solomon 15
i dunno guys. i hear the dems won't even negotiate. the dems could meet them halfway and eliminate half of the ACA now, then in 2 weeks, eliminate the other half in exchange for the debt ceiling. it's called COMPROMISE, look it up.
Posted by Max Solomon on October 1, 2013 at 7:12 AM · Report this
Fnarf 16
@15, I know you're being sarcastic, but this doesn't really have anything to do with the ACA. A year ago, they were Standing Their Ground over austerity or some damn thing. It doesn't really matter what happens in reality; whatever it is, they're against it. Because of that black man.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 7:32 AM · Report this
Sabotage 17
Surely the Republicans don't need help getting rid of the ACA! 60th time's the charm, yes?
Posted by Sabotage on October 1, 2013 at 7:37 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 18
@15: Don't forget that they also wanted to slash medicare benefits, food stamps, social security payments, and make birth control/abortions almost impossible to get as part of their "compromise."

Craven, depraved, puerile, self-absorbed cold hearted bastards, every single one of them.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 1, 2013 at 8:07 AM · Report this
Pol Pot 19
Interesting side note: despite being embroiled in a prolonged, brutal civil war, the government of Syria is still sending out pay checks.
Banana republican rule is worse than Assad.
Posted by Pol Pot http://bottlefuelrag.blogspot.com on October 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM · Report this
Goldy 20
@9 Exactly. I intend to address that in a subsequent post, but I do believe Christian millennialism informs the Teabagger mentality.
Posted by Goldy on October 1, 2013 at 8:42 AM · Report this
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Yep. My lights and water don't work, the road outside my house is shut down, with no police or fire services. My kids school closed. The bank with whom we're working on a rehab loan to renovate an old apartment building and all the tradesmen we'd use to help us do it are closed too. It's hell out there! I'm expecting hordes of looters (zombie looters to boot) at my door at any moment!
Or, you know, not.

See, the federal government interfered with stuff getting done. It doesn't, with a few exceptions, get stuff done.

I realize all you liberal types, who couldn't change a tire or fix a blocked kitchen sink let alone manage your own financial lives, worship and adore federal programs taking adult responsibilities from you.

But try to keep at least a corner of your blinkered eyes on objective reality, okay children?
Posted by Seattleblues on October 1, 2013 at 9:18 AM · Report this
GhostDog 22
@20

And death anxiety.
Posted by GhostDog on October 1, 2013 at 9:21 AM · Report this
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@18

'They' want to control government expenditure in a time of massive unprecedented national debt?

Bastards!

But...is saying that citizens must buy their own food, clothing, housing, child and medical care the same as denying these things? Is saying that a sexually active person should pay bear the costs the same as denying abortion (or, as sane people know it, mass murder) or birth control?

Hint- to an adult, as opposed to a lefty, the answer is no.
Posted by Seattleblues on October 1, 2013 at 9:24 AM · Report this
Beetlecat 24
@23 I love how you frame this so calmly -- as if these sensible statements have anything to do with the justification for what's happened to congress' ability to function.
Posted by Beetlecat on October 1, 2013 at 9:33 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 25
@ 23, there is nothing adult about you, your opinion, or the Rethug's actions in Wash DC. You are a mental toddler, throwing a tantrum because dag nab it, you aren't getting your way. And what is your way? To see anyone who isn't your mirror image suffer. You hate anyone who isn't like you. You can't stand that we exist, and you really hate it that a pittance of your tax dollars goes toward anything that we benefit by.

You are a loser, and you are witnessing your movement's high water mark. From here on, it will be nothing but one defeat after another as you and your ilk become as irrelevant as the KKK - your spiritual, terroristic and hateful brethren. You may not share their views on race, but you do on humanity.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 1, 2013 at 9:42 AM · Report this
treacle 26
Would somebody please do some thorough investigative reporting on WHY we keep having all these "debt ceiling crises" and "government shutdowns" these last 6 years, when I don't recall ever having them during any other president's tenure...
Posted by treacle on October 1, 2013 at 9:43 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 27
@ 26, have you forgotten the "Contract On America" congress of the 90s? It's the GOP's war of attrition with everyone who isn't a hard right dingleberry like they are. The last time they went back to the doghouse, head down and tail between their legs. This time it will end much worse for them, if the president doesn't blink.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 1, 2013 at 9:51 AM · Report this
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Oh Mile High

You're, as always, mistaken.

It's the progressive or lefty who thinks without government people couldn't manage the most basic aspects of their lives. The left is made up of two kinds of people. Hateful elitists who think their fellow citizens helpless morons and the self made victims mooching off their more productive fellow citizens.

Conservatives believe most folks can manage (in most cases better) without some government employee too incompetent to make it in the private sector interfering.

I'd say consider yourself corrected but you're far too stupid to learn from anything.
Posted by Seattleblues on October 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM · Report this
smade 29
"You are a loser, and you are witnessing your movement's high water mark."

Fact. This is the tea party's "have you no sense of decency moment." Fifty years from now, some splinter group of whatever the Republican party becomes will try to sanitize the legacy of Cruz, Palin, Paul, et al., but they won't come clean then, either.
Posted by smade on October 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 30
@ 28, if I were ever wrong, you could address my arguments and cite facts and figures. Yet you never do. Why is that I wonder?

How well does your business run without employees? How much money do you make off unrented homes?

Self-reliant? You're more dependent upon others than anyone else who posts here.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 1, 2013 at 10:01 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 31
@ SB, just for you: a repost of a comment I made earlier.

Every Rethug who voted for delaying Obamacare (and therefore the shutdown) is guilty of dereliction of duty, and they all ought to be impeached. The people who support them and their actions are disloyal citizens with no love of anyone but themselves and those who think like them – the polar opposite of a good American. They want to ruin this nation because they can't have their way. Selfish scumbags, each and every one of them.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 1, 2013 at 10:06 AM · Report this
Fnarf 32
@28, your continual attempts to reframe the discussion as being about silly liberals who want the government to give them unearned handouts shows how removed from reality you are.

The government could completely eliminate all of your bugaboo entitlements and the cost, the taxation, and the deficit would be completely unchanged. It's a trivial amount.

What you are ignoring, probably because you live in a vacuum, is that the government does all sorts of stuff that people have decided they want. You don't get to decide by yourself. That's how democracy works.

Among those things are: virtually every tech advancement in the last fifty years, from semiconductors to the speech recognition engine in both Apple and Android devices; virtually all pharmaceuticals; every major scientific discovery; every university, public and private; Boeing, Microsoft, and dozens of other companies that even a dipshit like you has to have heard of; automobiles; national parks; safe food; in fact safe everything; clean air; the fact that human feces doesn't wash up on the beaches anymore -- the list goes on and on.

I know it's a terrible inconvenience for you to not be able to pour cans of paint down the drain anymore, but it's for the best -- and more importantly, it's for the will of the public.

And you don't pay shit in taxes, asshole. You're getting the best bargain around and you don't even know it. You're a fucking moron, and you and people like you are deliberately destroying the world's largest economy because you don't understand the first thing about how it fucking works.

You should be fucking shot, motherfucker.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 10:53 AM · Report this
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And just for you, Mile High

Everyone who voted for or supports Obamacare hates the basic right to self determination on which the greatest nation in Gods earth is founded. Anyone who actually believes any government pretending to support human rights should have this kind of tyrannical authority is a traitor and should have their citizenship revoked. A government which can tell me that for the welfare, not general and not personal, of a Topeka retiree or New York single mom to buy a financial instrument not in my interests forfeits all right to allegiance.

My insurance agent has my order to keep our non compliant catastrophic care coverage in place. My accountant knows that I'll pay not one fucking dime in fines now or ever.

If you folks hate freedom so much get the hell out of MY country.
Posted by Seattleblues on October 1, 2013 at 10:58 AM · Report this
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@Apologists for Tyranny

Yep, old news. The government is the source of ALL good yada yada yada.

Whatever contribution to deficits they cause, the very fact of programs stealing from productive citizens for the benefit of nonproductive ones is abhorrent morally and ethically.

Do you know, it's good to see liberals in full hate mode. The prissy 'I'm only concerned about YOU' lie most assume to misguide others is so hypocritical.

Twice now you've called for fatal violence, once against congressmen. Where's the Slog outcry? Anyone? No?

Yeah, thought so, you slobbering demented idiots.
Posted by Seattleblues on October 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 35
@ 33, unfortunately for you, treason has a very specific definition under our Constitution. Even your actions don't measure up to treason, as hateful of our nation as they are.

Anyway, YOU have the home in Italy. Allegedly. Get thee on a plane and leave America to real Americans.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 36
Oh, and I call "bullshit" on @ 34. Links or it never happened, liar.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 1, 2013 at 11:10 AM · Report this
blip 37
@33, We achieve change through the ballot box and the courts, not economic terrorism. We have had 2 national elections where health care reform was the central issue and the guy who ran on it won handily both times. The Supreme Court heard the legal appeals and found the law constitutional. At this point shutting down the government and defaulting on the debt will do nothing to change it. If you think sabotaging the economy is a legitimate way to affect change it is you who holds this country in contempt. How you fail to appreciate how this place works while childishly insisting it's yours and yours alone is really something else.
Posted by blip on October 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM · Report this
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Aww, I didn't realize reading in English was that hard for you, Mile High.

The apologist for the cradle to grave nanny state, Fnarf, called in this thread for my being shot and for the shooting of federal congressmen.

Keep up the ESL courses, buddy. Clearly you need them.
Posted by Seattleblues on October 1, 2013 at 11:18 AM · Report this
Fnarf 39
@33, you are a fucking idiot and a hateful, hateful man. "Man".

The most conservative Supreme Court in the history of this country disagrees with you, you know.

I love freedom. You don't even know what it looks like.

One minute you're all "traitor!" and the next you're going with "forfeits all right to allegiance". So you are the traitor. You're disavowing your allegiance to the lawfully elected government of the USA. OUR government. YOUR government. Stupid fucking asshole. I hope they take your house. I hope you go to fucking prison. You stupid, old, defeated, clueless piece of shit.

Fuck off. Fuck off hard, fuck off forever.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 11:21 AM · Report this
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@39

Since you're wrong about everything important, unimportant errors shouldn't be surprising.

I'm not old, at least unless 40 is old.

You're the mouth breathers crying out for civil disobedience all the time. As long as the issue suits you and there aren't consequences.

You're the ones who keep bawling about Bush v Gore, Citizens United et al. So, respect the court when you like their call but not when you don't/

And again, thanks for showing the true hateful, angry, childish face of liberal 'thought'.
Posted by Seattleblues on October 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM · Report this
Fnarf 41
@40, the Supreme Court, in my opinion, got Bush v Gore wrong. But guess what? I respect the decision, because I HAVE to respect the decision. Nobody shut down the government over it. And, you know, that was thirteen years ago. The ones who are playing "respect the court when you like their call but not when you don't"? That's you, not me. The childish ones are you. Not me.

You're a piece of shit, however old you happen to be. You're a bad Christian, a bad American, and a plain old bad man. I pity your family.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM · Report this
venomlash 42
@21: If not for federal interference, the flour in your bread could be cut with plaster dust, the medicine that keeps you healthy wouldn't have any guarantee of safety or efficacy, cheap and shoddy goods from China would flood the market and put American labor and industry out of business, and citizens would have no recourse against abuses of economic power. Chew on that, you ignorant buffoon.
@33: The Supreme Court of the United States, final arbiter of what is or isn't acceptable, a court whose makeup at present is center-right, says that the Affordable Care Act, more commonly known as Obamacare, is Constitutional. Either you accept the ACA as the law of the land, or you oppose the Constitution of the United States of America that the Founding Fathers famously assembled.
It's not YOUR country. It's OURS. One man--one pompous, angry, misguided, willfully-ignorant little man that you are--doesn't have the right to decide everything for the other ~300 million. And if you are so set on defying the law, well, you'll get fined. Refuse to pay the fine and you'll probably get fined some more, maybe even audited. Eventually you may end up in jail, at which point we won't have to deal with your arrogant blathering.
@34: Requiring citizens to give what they can afford to for the care of the poor and the infirm is as old as civilization itself. The Pentateuch, cornerstone of the Judeo-Christian tradition that informed many of this nation's great minds, requires that fallen fruit and the gleanings of harvests be left for the poor and the hungry. Gifts to the poor from one's own possessions were referred to as צדקה ("tzedakah", literally "righteousness") and were left as a personal and voluntary act, but leaving a portion of one's yield to the poor, the infirm, and the traveler was MANDATORY. Be a good Christian, will you?
More...
Posted by venomlash on October 1, 2013 at 11:42 AM · Report this
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@9 Scan Seattleblue's posts (I don't recommend more then a scan since reading them will make your eyes bleed and Jesus cry) you'll find she answers your question with a resounding YES.
Posted by Machiavelli was framed on October 1, 2013 at 11:46 AM · Report this
venomlash 44
@40: I disagree with Citizens United and Bush v. Gore. But like Fnarf said, I don't go sabotaging the machinery of the country in retribution. I instead advocate for a constitutional amendment clarifying the economic status of corporate entities and for more responsible management of federal elections.
@39: Take a few deep breaths. Seattleblues is misguided and ignorant, but he's not worth getting that mad over. Don't get mad; get smug and condescending.
Posted by venomlash on October 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM · Report this
keshmeshi 45
@7,

No better way to revert to their gold standard, Jeffersonian yeoman farmer ideal, amirite?
Posted by keshmeshi on October 1, 2013 at 11:51 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 46
@33:
"My insurance agent has my order to keep our non compliant catastrophic care coverage in place."

Umm...do you mean insurance provider or carrier? Maybe you mean "broker," but brokers do not provide insurance. There is no such thing as an "insurance agent" who has any power over the plans offered. They are just salesmen with a set product. If you actually called one, he was probably very confused about why some moron called him to tell him nonsense.

Anyway, whatever provider you are using is bound by federal law to comply by plan year 2014. You do not get to decree this, and nor do you have any input on the plans your provider offers. If your provider does not comply, they will be heavily fined and forced to under federal law. You have no power to decide what your provider offers, or choose a plan that is non-compliant.

Unless your catastrophic plan does not cover anyone older than 30, or has no dependents, it has to comply with the basic ACA regulations. Since you claim to be both older than 30, and with a wife and kids...

So are you completely ignorant, or just lying?

Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 1, 2013 at 11:54 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 47
What's missing here?

Oh, yes. Any links from SB supporting his bullshit lies about death threats @ 34.

But projection? Oh, there's projection aplenty. His own inability to comprehend a challenge becomes someone else's. His own hatred for his fellow Americans becomes someone elses. His own ability to leave America becomes a demand that we do so.

We are fucking your ass with logic and truth, SB, and you're so squinteyed that YOU think you're doing the fucking.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 1, 2013 at 11:54 AM · Report this
Fnarf 48
@44, I'm not particularly mad at Seattleblues; I'm mad at the dipshits in Congress who are destroying the United States. SB is just an enabler, but since he doesn't live in Texas or the Deep South (more's the pity) he's not really powerful enough to worry about. He's a nonentity, really. But FUCK THOSE REPUBLICANS, yeah? And hope that this is their final downfall.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM · Report this
Backyard Bombardier 49
@33:
The basic right to self determination on which the greatest nation in Gods earth is founded...
Ha fucking ha.

Your greatest nation cannot govern itself. Your national government can be shut down by a minority of a minority.

In countries with functioning political systems, when legislators cannot agree on something as fundamental as the budget to fund government operations, they are dismissed and a new election is held. Only in the USA do they get to keep "working" - and getting paid! - after jamming a stick through the spokes of government.

The biggest leeches and moochers in your country are the Representatives and Senators who continue to collect a paycheque while refusing to do their job of governing the nation. Not obstructing - governing.
Posted by Backyard Bombardier on October 1, 2013 at 11:58 AM · Report this
Fnarf 50
Here's some irony: The Golden Goose awards were just given a couple of weeks ago, celebrating the top achievements in federally-funded science and engineering. You know, all those boondoggle pork expenditures that kook right-wingers are always making fun of, fiddling around with duck sperm or whatever, but that sometimes turn out to be world-changing.

Know anyone who's had a kidney transplant lately? Thank the US federal government, and the thinkers who made the donor match possible. Work like that is on hold now. People will die.

http://www.goldengooseaward.org/winners/…
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 12:01 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 51
@26,

Probably for the same reason domestic terrorism and militia activities go up when there's a Democrat in the White House. "Conservatives" get extremely pissed off when they don't get their way.
Posted by keshmeshi on October 1, 2013 at 12:01 PM · Report this
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@46

This clear enough Ted?

I WILL NOT buy a financial instrument not in my interests.

I WILL NOT pay a fine for refusing an unlawful government order to engage in commerce.

Obama, the Nazis in charge of Obamacare, and anybody who supports this treasonous legislation can go straight to hell. Or some socialist country, which is pretty much the same thing.

The courageous men and women taking a necessary stand against tyranny and for fiscal responsibility are to be commended. The democrats, who through sheer bullheaded lunacy, refused reasonable compromise and really shut down the government should be removed from office, lawfully through the electoral process as opposed to the call for assassinations upthread.
Posted by Seattleblues on October 1, 2013 at 12:09 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 53
@ 52, Godwin's. You lose! (But then again, that's a familiar feeling, isn't it?)
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 1, 2013 at 12:12 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 54
BTW, SB, I'll still play - what, if anything, should the Dems "compromise" on? The GOP has no alternative to Obamacare. Do you enter negotiations with people who have nothing to offer?
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM · Report this
Backyard Bombardier 55
@54: I assume SB is using "compromise" as it is commonly understood by conservatives, teahadis, etc.:

Compromise: v. - To bend over while we shove our agenda up your ass, ignoring the fact that we lost the last election. (Oh, and the one before that as well.)
Posted by Backyard Bombardier on October 1, 2013 at 12:19 PM · Report this
blip 56
@52, You might be a little less outraged if you took a moment to learn how things work (your government, your insurance policy, the law) and what words mean (socialism, tyrrany, fiscal responsibility), though I know you're well past the point of help. It's evident that boiling with rage and contempt is a way of life for you. If it weren't queers and health care it would be something else.
Posted by blip on October 1, 2013 at 12:24 PM · Report this
57
Still "debating" the resident knuckledragger? sigh.
Posted by anon1256 on October 1, 2013 at 12:28 PM · Report this
Rujax! 58
Like fucking Seattleblues is anyone I want to hear from now or ever.

Take your dumbfuck mal-formed opinions over to Sharkansky's circle jerk.

Just bring a paper towel.
Posted by Rujax! http://rujax.blogspot.com/ on October 1, 2013 at 12:34 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 59
@ 57, you were "debating" him just yesterday IIRC...
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 1, 2013 at 12:34 PM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 60
@52: Still does not address the fact that your little "story" made no sense at all. I was clear on your stance, it was simply the completely nonsensical tale you spun about telling your "agent" what products they sell to you, and the laughable internet tough guy nonsense you love so much.

Anyway, the point is, unless you are willing to break federal law (your insurance carrier is not, trust me), you have to buy insurance, or you have to pay the tax for not having it. Unless of course you make so little income that it does not apply to you.

Now, you may be willing to break federal law, and since you are just one unimportant maroon no one cares about, you probably will not be caught, so go ahead. Also, the idea that it is "unlawful" is supported by nothing but your fantasies.

But do not pretend you are standing up to tyranny, or doing anything other than not paying your fair share into the insurance pool. You fucking "taker."
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 1, 2013 at 12:53 PM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 61
@52: Also, your only options are going to be buy a PPACA compliant plan, or not provide health insurance for your (real I am sure) wife and kids.

Are you really that shitty of a husband, father, and provider?

Which is it? Buy a complaint plan, or refuse to provide for your loved ones responsibly?
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 1, 2013 at 1:00 PM · Report this
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Fuck you.

I've paid my fair share all my life, plus the share of citizens who thought having 4 kids on no stable income a GREAT idea.

I pay for their food. I pay for their housing. I pay for their kids college. And now, thanks to a socialist fuck of a president, I get to pay for their fucking health insurance.

When a bastard liberal (I kniw, the word liberal kind of means bastard, but oh well) says 'fair share' they shouldn't kid themselves that sane people don't know what they mean. They mean we, who work and save and plan and have families when we can afford it, get to pay for every lazy thriftless moocher who didn't.

And federal law be damned, I won't play along with my own mugging this time, you socialist fucks.
Posted by Seattleblues on October 1, 2013 at 2:04 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 63
Whatever, baby. Enjoy paying, and thanks for playing.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 1, 2013 at 2:14 PM · Report this
Rujax! 64
Seattleblues...despite all his braying is a LEACH, a FREE-RIDER.

Fuck him.
Posted by Rujax! http://rujax.blogspot.com/ on October 1, 2013 at 2:16 PM · Report this
apsleyBjaaland 65
http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments…

Obviously the only reason people like Seattleblues can be so blase about this all is because they have very little actual understanding of the mechanisms that allow scientific and engineering research to progress.

As a scientist, I'm a bit partial, but the knock-on effects of the shutdown strike me as the most damaging and furthest reaching. Luckily I don't work at a government facility. Sucks to be a really sick person who won't be able to join that new study at the NIH. Sucks for the engineers who spent years working on a Mars mission that could have to wait until 2016 for a launch because they missed their window. For people who like to talk about fiscal conservatism, they sure are comfortable burning cash and wasting human capital.

The NIH funded most of my seven-year PhD. I want to continue to work in my field, but I need to be able to pay the rent. If I end up falling back on my undergraduate engineering degrees, it'd be kind of a waste (though I could be making 3-5 times as much money and spending fewer evenings and weekends at work, so it wouldn't be all bad). When you close down research projects/labs, the people will simply switch fields. And they'll be fine, more than likely. But that work just disappears and it takes a long time to build those pipelines up again.
Posted by apsleyBjaaland on October 1, 2013 at 2:23 PM · Report this
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@62: So you live in an urban area? You know, one of those areas that financially supports the thriftless moochers who lives in rural America with their taxes? The thriftless moochers who keep saying they don't want to support thriftless moochers and keep voting Republican?
Posted by Hanoumatoi on October 1, 2013 at 2:24 PM · Report this
venomlash 67
@65: I know...
I'm a recent grad with a background in evolutionary bio. I'm going to have an even harder time finding lab work without the federal government funding our amazing insights into the workings of the natural world.
Posted by venomlash on October 1, 2013 at 2:28 PM · Report this
Backyard Bombardier 68
@62: "I pay for their food. I pay for their housing. I pay for their kids college. And now, thanks to a socialist fuck of a president, I get to pay for their fucking health insurance."

You claim to be married with kids. Let's take a look at how much you paid for all these moochers, shall we?

A family, married, two kids, $80,000 income, paid $3360 in social security, $1160 medicare, and $4469 federal income tax in 2012. Where did that federal tax go?

"I pay for their food"

Food and nutrition assistance - 3.89%, or $173.84 per year.

"I pay for their housing."

Housing assistance - 1.74%, or $77.76 per year.

I pay for their kids college

Education and job training - 3.3%, or $147.48 per year.

So, if your household income is $80,000, you pay one dollar and ten cents per day to help the poorest of your fellow citizens eat, live indoors, and get an education. A pittance, a bargain, but too much for a selfish bastard like yourself.

(Via http://www.whitehouse.gov/2012-taxreceip…)
Posted by Backyard Bombardier on October 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM · Report this
Fnarf 69
@52: "Nazis".

The Heritage Foundation, Nazis. Mitt Romney, a Nazi. A fascinating theory.

You do know that's where the ACA came from, right? The Heritage Foundation, the biggest right-wing think tank in the country, currently headed by Jim DeMint. Jim DeMint, a Nazi. Hmm.

The architect of Romneycare in Massachusetts, Jonathan Gruber, MIT professor who also consulted with Obama on the ACA, says "they're the same f---ing bill". Jonathan Gruber, a Nazi. Uh-huh.

You're full of shit, Blues. You don't even know what makes this country great. You don't know ANYTHING.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 2:37 PM · Report this
Pol Pot 70
There was a time when SB at least pretended (or more precisely tried to pretend) that he was a reasonable person, with christian values. (until the subject of FDR came up. Then he would expound for several paragraphs on how, precisely, he would have killed him, given the chance)
That pretense is completely gone now. Truly, I fear for the safety of his neighbors and family.
Seriously, The Stranger should notify his local police department. He's going to kill someone, probably sooner than later.
Posted by Pol Pot http://bottlefuelrag.blogspot.com on October 1, 2013 at 2:40 PM · Report this
Fnarf 71
@68, and that money is not just charity. It's an investment. It makes the country stronger. Some of those poor people go on to contribute great things. And everyone benefits from not having starving homeless people blocking their doorways. That's why every successful economy that the world has ever known have had strong social programs.

They're popular, too. People vote for this stuff. That's why it's there. Seattleblues doesn't believe in democracy, though. He wants to strip everyone but property-owning white men from the vote. But we're the Nazis.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 2:42 PM · Report this
Fnarf 72
@70, I hope he follows Schmader's Rule: when doing a murder-suicide, do the suicide part first.

I mean, really, what option does he have? He can't live in this world with us filthy liberals (many of whom are conservatives of long standing who just aren't quite rabidly insane enough for him). There's nowhere he can move to -- Italy is ten times as socialist as we are. The way I see it, he's got no choice but to follow his conscience and barricade himself in his house with all seventeen of his guns pointed out the window at the black helicopters that will be coming for him soon, with only his Bible for a bulletproof vest.

Come on, Blue! Shoot! Shoot!
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 2:46 PM · Report this
Fnarf 73
Oh, yeah, links.

Gruber on Romneycare and Obamacare: http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/pol…

Rod Dreher, arch-conservative and Rand Paul supporter, contemplates voting for Democrats instead because the Republicans are crazy: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/d…

Seattleblues, is Rod Dreher a Nazi too?
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 2:50 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 74
@ 70, don't remember that guy. I do recall when SB would make false arguments delivered in a smug tone, but I consider that as neither reasonable nor Christian. I agree that he pretended to be civil, but a person's true character comes through at times like this. Well, in addition to the times when he blames us for his erruptions. I guarantee that the next time he deigns to address the fact that he lashed out, he will say he was driven to it by righteous outrage at evil liberalism.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM · Report this
apsleyBjaaland 75
@67: good luck! I'm in single-molecule biophysics/nanobiotechnology, was probably planning on staying in academia, but there are a few companies that do what we do around, so I've hopefully got a few options should the funding environment get even nastier.

oh shit, did you see this? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

PUBMED :(
Posted by apsleyBjaaland on October 1, 2013 at 3:13 PM · Report this
Fnarf 76
@75, yup, Pubmed.

Nice to know that the people on the forefront of global medical research are in danger of losing their houses because they're not being paid. Dipshits like Seattleblues are screaming about subsidizing deadbeats while gulping their diabetes pills that someone else's tax dollars paid for.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2013 at 3:41 PM · Report this
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"I WILL NOT pay a fine for refusing an unlawful government order to engage in commerce."

Then it seems kind of likely you will eventually end up in federal prison, where they don't have wifi which means we will need another resident Randian jackass to pummel, bummer.

Posted by Rhizome on October 1, 2013 at 4:06 PM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 78
@62: So not buying health care for your family then? That it pretty shitty. Better hope no one ever has to go the the emergency room, or god forbid get cancer or need any kind of surgery.

Because then you would go broke from the bills, or simply default on them and force society to deal with it for you.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 1, 2013 at 4:50 PM · Report this
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@75 Not just pubmed
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/oer.htm

I still love doing science, but we are about to fall way way behind....
Posted by lone locust on October 1, 2013 at 6:08 PM · Report this
Y.F. Redux 80
The Democrats have already caved..er, compromised too much already. I don't give a flying f--k if the country goes down like the hindenberg, this one time they need to stick to their motherf--king guns!
Posted by Y.F. Redux on October 1, 2013 at 9:17 PM · Report this
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@78 I don't feel like cutting and pasting but if you go back and look at her posts, Seattleblues, is saying she has instructed her insurance agent to continue selling her a health insurance plan that falls below government standards. Now we all know the disdain Seattleblues holds for government standards, so one might expect she'd want insurance that exceeds government standards. Shockingly no. Our lovely and demure Seattleblues demands the right to buy an insurance plan that fails to measure up to standards she feels are beneath her.

Puzzling.
Posted by Machiavelli was framed on October 1, 2013 at 9:29 PM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 82
@81: Yeah, I kind of want her to admit she is lying about all that crap, because it is total nonsense, and she obviously does not understand what PPACA is, nor how the regulations work. Oh well.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 2, 2013 at 5:04 AM · Report this
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@81

Still playing at your childish taunting? Well, given your political and social worldview it's encouraging that you can still remember to wipe the drool off your chin. Sometimes. There, that's better, isn't it kiddo?

As to the rest, do you ever tire of being wrong? Knowing that government is where the unemployable find work from which they can't be fired for incompetence, airlines or outright rudeness, or stupidity why would I want them telling me what specific insurance I need? To help an Iowa plumber or Californian housewife find insurance? No, they, like me, can plan their own lives or suffer the consequences.

Posted by Seattleblues on October 2, 2013 at 7:47 AM · Report this
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@82

Again Ted, the simple version- I had health insurance that fit my needs. Now I'm told my duty is to buy insurance that doesn't so that other people I don't know can be insured. Fuck that, and fuck you.
Posted by Seattleblues on October 2, 2013 at 7:51 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 85
@ 83/84, you, calling out someone else as childish? LOLOLOLOL.... Oh, delicious irony, thy name is seattleblues.

Go ahead. I await your brave stand, which will be a media case. You will be outed by your own actions, and your illegally-evicted lesbian tenants will be able to sue your bigoted, selfish ass. AND you'll be told to buy up or pay up. What a glorious day that will be.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 2, 2013 at 8:07 AM · Report this
apsleyBjaaland 86
@84: "Fuck that, and fuck you." There you go again, giving us heathens such a good example of Christian temperance.
Posted by apsleyBjaaland on October 2, 2013 at 8:09 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 87
@ SB, let me leave you with this one fundamental truth.

Our nation values the rights of the individual. But rights are not unlimited, and you need to learn that. You are not greater than the group. As in any society, you are lesser than the group, but with certain inalienable rights. Which do NOT include opting out of paying taxes for the benefit of society. That is why you are compelled to pay your fair share and help your fellow American.

So pay up or get the hell out. America doesn't need your unproductive dead weight dragging us down.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 2, 2013 at 8:34 AM · Report this
thelyamhound 88
Seattleblues: I realize that your guiding principle is that assertion is essentially equal to argument (though the fact that you essentially blacklist any poster who has actually exposed your assertions as unsupported suggests you actually do know otherwise). Nonetheless, your statements of principle continue to add up to little more than bluster.

Here's some assertions that you cannot contradict: As a business owner who has never taken unemployment, who isn't on food stamps or any other form of public assistance, I pay for your and your wife's womb-rats to go to school; I pay for the roads you drive on as well as the roads you drive on (I'm sure we share very few destinations, likely to both our benefit[s]). I, like everyone else here, am part of a vast web of citizens who make up this little corner of global society we call the U.S., and your very existence depends, has always depended, on the proper function of this web from the time you were born, by virtue of your not having been born into either a horticultural village or a nomadic tribe of hunter-gatherers.

Saying "fuck you" to the other commenters on this thread not only contradicts everything you claim sits at the center of your moral compass: it actually clarifies for the rest of us that you quite pointedly don't know what you're talking about. For all we've given you throughout your life (however sad and small we may find what you've done with it), I wouldn't dream of saying, "Fuck you!"; the proper expression, to my mind, is, "You're welcome!"

For the ingratitude-curdled-into-antipathy you offer in return, however ... Fuck you, ingrate. I tire of speaking softly and attempting, against all evidence of futility, to speak softly and rationally to every peckerwood who refuses to keep up.
More...
Posted by thelyamhound http://thebayinghound.blogspot.com on October 2, 2013 at 8:34 AM · Report this
thelyamhound 89
@87 -
But rights are not unlimited, and you need to learn that. You are not greater than the group.
The sad thing is, he knows this, even agrees with it, but fundamentally misapplies it. He believes that government has, or should have, the right to regulate us morally, but not economically. It seems to me he has it precisely backwards--that we are more "free" if we can earn and spend free from any consideration of the material consequences of such, but that government can honor or ignore contracts, and even limit certain kinds of consensual behavior, based solely on the moral preoccupations derived from whatever mythological construct he and his fellows happen to be following at this point in history.

I think reasonable people can disagree as to HOW a society should ensure that citizens have access to affordable health care, a thriving infrastructure in which to function, freedom of moral self-determination, and, yes, some assurance that they will be rewarded for greater effort (particularly if this effort is undertaken in light of greater aptitude) with a higher quality of life. One cannot, however, reasonably assert that costs in that industry are out of control, and out of reach for many Americans; that the infrastructure as it currently exists in inadequate for meeting the needs of our current population; that morality is still legislated more than it ought to be; and that the greater rewards enjoyed by some citizens are out of proportion to either their effort or their contribution, and that those rewards are not being sensibly and properly shared with the various employees who make that kind of success possible.
Posted by thelyamhound http://thebayinghound.blogspot.com on October 2, 2013 at 8:58 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 90
@84: Do you really not understand how the legislation works? Still?

Let me put it simply for you: come the 2014 plan year, there will be no such thing as non-compliant plans for you to buy. You seem to think you can just declare to your provider what you are buying, but this is not how healthcare works. It honestly makes me think you have never purchased healthcare coverage.

So you have exactly two options: Buy a PPACA compliant plan, or do not buy insurance. That is it. You do not get another option, unless you want to dodge taxes, or can find some kind of weird illegal back-alley provider willing to break federal law with you. Good luck.

No amount of you telling me to fuck myself will change this. You are living in a fantasy world.

Also, I do not see why you think it is appropriate to call you she/her or state that you are quite a delicate minded lady. You have stated repeatedly that you think it is ok to declare what gender people are for them, so we are doing the same to you. If you can do it, why can't we?

But seriously, you are putting your family and yourself at great risk by refusing to buy insurance. If this is true, you are a horrible mother.

But let's get real: this is all just another one of your internet tough guy fantasies isn't it?
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 2, 2013 at 9:03 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 91
@89,

One cannot, however, reasonably assert that costs in that industry are out of control, and out of reach for many Americans; that the infrastructure as it currently exists in inadequate for meeting the needs of our current population; that morality is still legislated more than it ought to be; and that the greater rewards enjoyed by some citizens are out of proportion to either their effort or their contribution, and that those rewards are not being sensibly and properly shared with the various employees who make that kind of success possible.


Good thing SB doesn't let reason bind him up, then, for his sake. Giving in to blind emotion is so liberating that way.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 2, 2013 at 9:12 AM · Report this
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@90

Like all liberals, reality really confuses you.

If a man declares himself a dog born in a human body, rational people (outside a gay 'pride' parade) won't leash him up, feed him kibble and so on. Rational people would object to him publically urinating and carrying plastic bags for defecating in parks.

But if his or her mental illness is the belief that, objective physical evidence aside, he's really a chick? Well! Rollout the red carpet and call him 'her!'

Similarly, on silly, pointlessly optimistic budget projections flawed in their basic assumptions you idiots claim more people can be given health care at net savings over current expenditures. 40 million more, if you please! Well, I'll give you credit- when you spin fantastic lies you do it without reservation.

And if no plan or purchase of something I don't need, don't want and which (very expensively) does me no earthly good at the point of unlawful federal force is my choice? Easy. I will not buy what I don't need to make halfwit socialist trash happy. I will pay not one damned dime in fines for assertion of my fundamental rights. There's nothing I can do about the theft of my money for EITC, food and housing assistance, and now subsidies for others to purchase health insurance. But principled resistance to this latest act of federal tyranny? That I can do.
Posted by Seattleblues on October 2, 2013 at 9:52 AM · Report this
apsleyBjaaland 93
@92: Do you, like, know a guy who will offer you non-compliant health insurance under the table or something? Or will you just go without insurance entirely? You're not being very clear on this very simple point.
Posted by apsleyBjaaland on October 2, 2013 at 10:02 AM · Report this
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@92: You still haven't answered whether you live in an Urban area or a Rural area.
Posted by Hanoumatoi on October 2, 2013 at 10:25 AM · Report this
Backyard Bombardier 95
@92:
You idiots claim more people can be given health care at net savings over current expenditures.

Because they can. I have pointed these facts out to you before. Let's try again, shall we?

I've selected life expectancy at birth and infant mortality as representative of the overall health outcomes for a country. Let's compare the US, pre-PPACA, with a couple of those nasty, socialist, single-payer countries. All figures are in US dollars.

United States:

Health care spending per capita (2010): $8233
Life expectancy at birth (2011): 79
Infant mortality (per 1000 live births, 2013): 5.9

Canada:

Health care spending per capita (2010): $4445
Life expectancy at birth (2011): 82
Infant mortality (per 1000 live births, 2013): 4.78

France:

Health care spending per capita (2010): $3978
Life expectancy at birth (2011): 82
Infant mortality (per 1000 live births, 2013): 3.34

Less money; better outcomes. Of course, the PPACA won't get the US all the way there; you'll need single payer for that. But it is a good first step.
Posted by Backyard Bombardier on October 2, 2013 at 10:32 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 96
@92: So you see no difference between gender or species? That is just bizarre. Is that a belief you came to out of scientific ignorance, or what? And you dare tell other people what reality is.

Even if gender depended on genitals, how exactly do you claim to have such intimate knowledge of the genitals of strangers? You dirty girl.

I am going to just live with the idea that you have no idea how insurance works or what an insurance pool is, this seems to be a lost cause.

But what do your wife and kids think about the idea of you not caring enough about them to buy insurance coverage for them? What if someone gets cancer, or there is a car accident? Is risking the scurity and health of your loved ones really worth sending a message (which no one will "read") to the scary black man in the White House?
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 2, 2013 at 10:51 AM · Report this
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@59 - I didn't say that you should ignore him but given his obsessive behavior, profound dishonesty, and the trivial aspect of his rhetoric ("trust me, I pulled myself up by my own boot straps and so should everyone else"), I don't see the point of trying to engage him intellectually and making his hate mongering the focus of comments.
Posted by anon1256 on October 2, 2013 at 11:52 AM · Report this
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@95

First, and really most importantly, it isn't any of your business. I couldn't care less what nutbar political or social things happen in Canada. Even if I did, I'm not a citizen or ripped off/moocher (the only two classes in a socialist system) taxpayer there, eh. So, as with you and America, it isn't my business what happens there.

Second, using statistics is subject to the great Clemens famous observation.

Third, comparing a system where a few are robbed for the medical care of everyone to the unconstitutional Obamacare is pointless. 'Look, this system that isn't yours might be better than this other system. That isn't yours.'. You do see the problem right? No? Hmm.
Posted by Seattleblues on October 2, 2013 at 12:04 PM · Report this
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@96

We have, well, car insurance for auto accidents. If injured at home we have home insurance to cover it. I have life insurance to care for my family if needed. We spend little in a low maintenance lifestyle and invest heavily so money, while far from limitless, isn't a problem.

See, it's called taking responsibility for ones own life. Sorry, liberals have no understanding if that concept. I keep forgetting I'm not discussing this with rational adults who respect others property and liberty.
Posted by Seattleblues on October 2, 2013 at 12:11 PM · Report this
Backyard Bombardier 100
@98: "No man is an island entire of himself." Neither is a nation. For better or worse, the US remains a dominant player in the global economy and in global politics. What happens in the US does affect other nations (just as what happens in other nations affects the US). When the US government shuts down, that affects worldwide economic markets. If the US defaults on its debt - as could happen if this madness continues - the effect would be even greater. In terms of naked self-interest, my mortgage rate could go up because you people can't govern yourself effectively. I am entitled to my opinions on that. It is my business.

As to my numbers, I take your reference to Clemens to indicate that you can't refute them, so you will simply dismiss them. Noted.

Finally, you clearly know as little about single-payer systems like Canada as you do about anything else. Hence the hand-waving dismissal and references once again to "ripped off" and "moochers".

I take an active interest in local, national, and international politics. As a result, I am well-informed and well aware of what my country does well and where it can improve. You seem to take a more myopic approach, which explains your blind adherence to ideology and your near-total ignorance of what actually goes on in the rest of the world.
Posted by Backyard Bombardier on October 2, 2013 at 12:28 PM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 101
@99: Gotcha, you have no idea how insurance works. You should take a look about how much an emergency room visit will cost. Or years of cancer treatments.

You really think car insurance and homeowners insurance covers medical expenses?

Seriously, have you ever purchased any kind of insurance? You do not seem to know how any of it works, let alone health insurance.

Better keep those fingers crossed cowgirl. Because in the event someone in your family needs medical care, you may just find out how the other half lives.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 102
@ 98, you're not making an argument. You can say the world is flat all you want (and that IS the essence of your argument), but you never present any evidence supporting your position. Because you can't. Not even the cooked numbers of right wing think tanks support you.

Bearing false witness is not forgiven when it keeps happening. Jesus is going to make you answer for it if you don't change your ways.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 2, 2013 at 12:40 PM · Report this
venomlash 103
@92: Here's why we allow and respect gender transitions but not species transitions:

Gender has no bearing on one's status under the law, EXCEPT for eligibility for military conscription. It makes NO DIFFERENCE, legally speaking, whether someone is a man or a woman. Non-human animals do not have the same legal status as humans. There you have it. Va voom.

There's no "objective physical evidence" that you are biologically male. Since nobody here has karyotyped you, you could very well be either 46XX or 46XY. Since there are 1.05 women in this country for every man, it is not unreasonable to assume that you are a woman. (Your own testimony on the issue must be disregarded, as you are too close to the subject at hand to remain objective.)

@98: Obamacare is constitutional. The Supreme Court decided that it is, and they have the final say. Please explain why you continue to claim otherwise, based on your limited knowledge of American governance and your total lack of experience as a scholar of Constitutional law. (President Obama, by the way, taught Constitutional law at one of the finest universities in the world. I think he maybe knows better than you.)
Posted by venomlash on October 2, 2013 at 1:25 PM · Report this
ballard dude 104
@ Seattle Blues. Why are you here? On SLOG? You are obviously a very angry person. Your political and personal views are far outside the SLOG community. All your posts follow a pattern of escalating vitriol. You revel in personal attacks. Do these interactions bring you joy or pleasure? Why? Really I'm just trying to understand your motivations. Everyone here seems to be a ignorant libtard, welfare cheating, 4th grade education, meth smoking sodomite, according to you. You persist in your angry, everyone-is-wrong-but-me postings. To what end? For the record, I will concede that you are better than me, and the rest of SLOG as well. As a property-owning married man with kids you obviously are better than all your fellow citizens. You are the best person in the world, and everyone should just admit it, get over themselves, and proceed to lick your leathery wrinkled sandy little anus. Would that make you happy? What would?
Posted by ballard dude on October 2, 2013 at 2:12 PM · Report this
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@104 Well let's not drive him away (although if he hasn't been driven away already there is probably little chance of that anyway). Some of us at least find his tirades to be somewhat entertaining. I would say quite a few of us as usually once he gets on a thread it just goes on and on.

Funny thing is that he doesn't seem to realize how much his presence here serves to confirm liberal's stereotypes of conservatives. He seems oblivious as to just how much of a cartoon he comes across as. In fact I would suspect that he was an invention of a particularly clever satirist if he wasn't so indefatigable.
Posted by Rhizome on October 2, 2013 at 2:32 PM · Report this
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Seattle blues,

"I couldn't care less what nutbar political or social things happen in Canada. Even if I did, I'm not a citizen or ripped off/moocher (the only two classes in a socialist system)"

you should care, as in, learn something and don't be deliverately ignorant. We can learn from other nations. Remember our founders? Some spoke latin, greek. French! They LEARNED from a comparison of what worked and didn't work in other places.

And it's not socialist, it's mixed, it's basically capitalist, moron.

" comparing a system where a few are robbed for the medical care of everyone" -- taxes aren't robbery; they're legal.

"the unconstitutional Obamacare" -- wrong again. It's legal.

" 'Look, this system that isn't yours might be better than this other system. That isn't yours.'. You do see the problem right? No? Hmm. " Actually, much of mankind makes progress by looking around and saying this system that isn't "mine" works better, or has this feature that looks better, when designed our system let's learn from others the way Madison, Jefferson, et al. did.

You do admit they studied FOREIGN NATIONS and didn't look only to England?

which btw, has socialized medicine, and the conservative pm doesn't do squat to change it right, because the PEOPLE LIKE IT AND IT WORKS.
Posted by blueintheface on October 2, 2013 at 3:55 PM · Report this
ballard dude 107
Oh Rhizome, I know. I was having a cranky episode. I went out and did some liberal stuff... you know, grocery store, weed store, pharmacy. Later I'll make spaghetti. I'm sure sb never does any of those kind of things. He's pretty predictable, and is such a caricature of the right wing nut it's hard to believe he's for real.

Unfortunately for the future of the country we live in, he and his kind actually are.

I still wonder why he's here, though. He doesn't actually ever answer questions directed at him with straightforward, up or down kind of responses. Watching the R's on tv, it seems to be a common trait anong his 'kind'.
Posted by ballard dude on October 2, 2013 at 4:32 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 108
@12

Oh look Fnarf is advocating shooting people again.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on October 2, 2013 at 8:58 PM · Report this
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@98 to quote.

"First, and really most importantly, it isn't any of your business. I couldn't care less what nutbar political or social things happen in Canada. Even if I did, I'm not a citizen or ripped off/moocher (the only two classes in a socialist system) taxpayer there, eh. So, as with you and America, it isn't my business what happens there."

Let us pull a sentence out and consider it.

"Even if I did, I'm not a citizen or ripped off/moocher (the only two classes in a socialist system) taxpayer there, eh. "

Puzzling.

In Socialist systems you get to be either a citizen or you get to be a "ripped off/moocher". What exactly is a "ripped off/moocher"? How does that work within a Socialist system or any system for that matter? What are the definitions of "ripped off" and "moocher" how do they combine into one?

Alas she is so confusing sometimes, still I love my sweet Seattleblues. She is a good Christian Woman.

My apologies.
Posted by Machiavelli was framed on October 2, 2013 at 10:05 PM · Report this
disintegrator 110
God, I can't believe I read the whole thing.

Seriously though, Seattleblues, the funny bit is that you don't get the great irony here: Obamacare is actually good for you. It's good for you to live in a country that functions well, that doesn't have rampant inflation of health care costs, that doesn't have great masses of sick poor people dragging down the health care system and spreading disease.

So when you're making this great effort to take care of yourself and yours (and no one else EVER, goddamnit!), you're actually acting against your own self interest.

You're just too shortsighted to see it.
Posted by disintegrator on October 3, 2013 at 12:23 AM · Report this
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@9 Agreed, alas.
Posted by sissoucat on October 3, 2013 at 4:48 AM · Report this
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I realize this is a little late to the smashing but...

@21 "I realize all you liberal types, who couldn't change a tire or fix a blocked kitchen sink let alone manage your own financial lives, worship and adore federal programs taking adult responsibilities from you."

Not only can I manage my financial life but I can change a tire. Heck I can even fix a blocked sink. I know you won't believe this but even tho I am a liberal type (and living in Texas like I do I always feel like I have a target on my back) I can actually build an entire house that will not only pass code inspections but be better built and insulated than most neighbors would be. The inspector might have a few issues with the electrical wiring but that is only because I would be using the much tougher industrial standards than the piss-poor standards that are residential norm. He (or she) would tho pass it since it is better than code not worse. Can you do all of that? Oh and I forgot to mention I would plumb it so that, in the rather unlikely event, of there being a blocked sink (or worse tub/shower) it would be easy to fix.

Hell I could even build a boat capable of chugging down the west coast from Seattle, thru the Panama Canal, over to Florida (for refueling) and off to the Mediterranean ocean for a nice cruise. Needless to say it would also be double hulled and compartmented so as to minimize any chances of it sinking... even if I rammed an iceberg. Could you do that? I doubt you could build a child's playhouse but I'll grant that it is remotely possible... With really good instructions and pre-cut parts.

I'll concede that most other liberals may have not had the advantage of learning all the trades I have over my lifetime but then again, conservatives wouldn't want to learn it in the first place. Why should they? They can always underpay someone else to do something (while not realizing that you get the type of work you pay for) instead of learning how to do it themselves.

You mention fixing a blocked sink (plumbers use the technical term of clogged by the way) but can YOU fix it? And then can you re-plumb that sink so it is less likely to become clogged in the first place? Oh and so you know the difference, a blocked sink has something over it, or in front of it, so you can't use it, while a clogged sink is probably full of water and not draining. Neither is useful to you but they have totally different causes and fixes. Just so you know.
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