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Wednesday, September 18, 2013

Sally J. Clark to Gay Russian Teenagers: Drop Dead

Posted by on Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 4:44 PM

First a little context:

A video depicting a man being raped with a bottle has surfaced on social media, in what appears to be the latest assault on Russia's beleaguered homosexual community. The series of short clips, making the rounds on the mobile-phone application WhatsApp show the victim, who seems to be an ethnic Uzbek, being bullied into confessing that he is gay. He is asked to identify himself and is stripped of his clothes, which are later burned. He is then handcuffed, beaten, insulted, and threatened with a gun. Ultimately, he is forced to sodomize himself by sitting on a bottle, which is then pushed [in] with a bat. The man, visibly terrified, weeps throughout much of the ordeal.

Assaults like this are not a new development in Putin's Russia:

Anti-gay vigilante groups have been running free in Russia, nationwide, for months now, with little to no interesting from the Russian authorities.... Typically the vigilantes film the entire kidnapping and attack—which often includes forcing the victim to drink urine—and then post the video on Russian social media. They also attack transgender Russians as well. In spite of the fact that the videos always contain the faces of the attackers, and usually the home towns are indicated by the local scenery, the Russian authorities do next to nothing.

These anti-gay vigilante groups sprang up after the Russian government passed a series of laws that have criminalized being out of the closet, banned pride parades, and made adoptions by same-sex couple illegal as well as adoptions by people who live in countries where same-sex marriage is legal. A new law has been proposed that would remove children from the homes of their gay or lesbian parents.

To their credit Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn and his opponent, state senator Ed Murray, both attended a recent demonstration—along with 250 others—outside the Russian Consular Residence in Madison Park. (Seattle has two gay city council members: Sally J. Clark and Tom Rassmussen. Neither bothered to show up.) The Russian Consul General was furious when he learned that Seattle's mayor attended the demonstration at his residence. Andrey Yushmanov sent an angry letter to the mayor: "I would appreciate it if you could clarify whether your support of the protesters reflects the official position on the authorities of Seattle?"

The mayor wrote back to the Yushmanov but his response reflected only his personal position, not the city's position. Why?

McGinn's office said the Seattle City Council refused to take a position against the anti-gay laws. "We inquired with the Council President [Sally Clark] to see if the Council would support a joint resolution expressing the City of Seattle’s official position regarding anti-LGBT laws in Russia," says mayoral spokesman Robert Cruickshank. "She declined." Speaking for Clark, council spokeswoman Dana Robinson-Slote explained that the council declined because they were not part of the protest, and they considered it "off-topic" because it did not "directly relate to city work."

As Dominic pointed out in his first Slog post about this, the Seattle City Council hasn't been shy about taking positions on issues not "directly related to city work" in the past:

That's an interesting argument from the City Council—they only adopt resolutions relating to city business—because the council also passed resolutions recently that oppose federal approval of genetically modified salmon, support a statewide initiative to label genetically modified foods, back marriage equality in Washington State, and seek an end of the Iraq war. Then there are resolutions denouncing the oppressive regime in Burma, seeking an end to Aprtheid in South Africa, calling to end Apartheid yet again, supporting democracy in South Africa, and asking for the release of Nelson Mandela and new congressional sanctions. That was all "directly relate to city work," huh? Were the current and previous councils wrong to pass all those?

Today the Seattle Times pointed out that Sally Clark, "sponsored a 2010 resolution denouncing Arizona’s 'papers please' immigration law."

  • Photo by Josh Bis

So what the fuck is going on here?

More of the same. For four years members of the Seattle City Council have been playing this game: refuse to work with the mayor then turn around condemn the mayor for not getting anything done. When people notice what they're up to and attempt to draw attention to the game they're playing—when angry posts like this go up—accuse the mayor of being "divisive."

So here's what's up with Sally J. Clark: She is so blinded by her dislike for the mayor—she long ago endorsed his opponent—that she couldn't bring herself work with the mayor for two minutes on a joint resolution "expressing the City of Seattle’s official position regarding anti-LGBT laws in Russia." Because cooperating with the mayor on something, on anything, would contradict the "divisive" meme that Clark pushes at every opportunity. Clark's game would be merely galling—it would maddening but not infuriating—if it weren't for the feedback activists in the United States are getting from Russia's "beleaguered homosexual community." From Dom's piece in today's Stranger:

Russian LGBT activists have called on gay people around the world to speak up on their behalf. "At this point, the more Russians know and the Kremlin knows that the world is watching, the safer we feel on the ground," Russian lesbian activist and author Masha Gessen said at a public meeting in New York City.

The louder we are over here, the safer they are over there.

But, hey, fuck that and fuck them, right? Clark is focused on what's really important: sticking it to Mike McGinn whenever she can.

Senator Ed Murray and Council Member Jean Godden understand that doing whatever we can here to make Russian LGBT people safer over there is more important than getting to call the mayor "divisive" one more time. Today both called bullshit on Sally J. Clark. When asked if Clark was wrong not to join with the mayor and pass a resolution expressing the city's official opposition to Russia's anti-gay laws and the anti-gay violence that has broken out in their wake, Murray said, "I disagree with her. I would want her to do the resolution." When Godden was asked if Clark was in the wrong she said, "Yes, I do believe so. She may reconsider. I would prevail upon her to do so. I would vote for it."

So here we are: there's a small thing that the lesbian president of the Seattle City Council can do that might in some small way prevent this from happening to someone else...


Or this:


Or this:


Or this:


But Sally Clark refuses to do it. Because unlike "papers please" laws in Arizona and the Iraq War and GMOs and circus animals or apartheid in South Africa, attacks on LGBT Russians aren't "directly related to city work." Because Mike McGinn is "divisive." (Clark will hold up this post—a post I wouldn't have written if she had done the right thing in the first fucking place—as proof that McGinn is "divisive.") Because sticking it to the mayor is more important than making Russia a tiny bit safer for LGBT people. Because we are having an election in two months. Because she couldn't give a shit.

Despicable. Pathetic. Disgusting.

Shame on Sally Clark.

Sally J. Clark
Phone: 206-684-8802


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delirian 1
Dan, I think many of these images should be below the fold. They might be triggering for people who suffer from PTSD. I know your goal is to expose the pogroms against gays in Russia in a way that we can't ignore, and I applaud you for it. Nonetheless, these images could be profoundly distressing to rape survivors and people who have been attacked for being gay.
Posted by delirian on September 18, 2013 at 4:56 PM · Report this
biffp 2
The pictures are disturbing. State sponsored terror.
Posted by biffp on September 18, 2013 at 5:10 PM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 3
I can only conclude that the City Council likes having the Consulate here in Seattle paying rent. The Consulate could easily move to Portland. Is that the real reason the CC is silent? Probably.

#1 No need to sanitize the world. To sweetly accommodate every one's personal trauma would leave little to see except puppies and kittens. I think your concern is genuine, but should be directed at children not adults.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on September 18, 2013 at 5:10 PM · Report this
danindowntown 4
"So here we are: there's something the lesbian president of the Seattle City Council can do that might prevent this from happening to someone else..."

Criticize Sally Clark's motives if you like but don't kid yourself into thinking that the Seattle City Council's passing a resolution decrying the violence in Russia would do ANYTHING to stop the violence.

Personally I think it appropriate for the council to pass resolution in solidarity with the LGBT community in Russia but I am not so delusional to think it is anything more than moral support, which has value, but in the end won't change anything.
Posted by danindowntown on September 18, 2013 at 5:12 PM · Report this
terrific piece, thanks for writing dan. kudos to godden, murray and our mayor for doing the right thing. fuck our POS city council (except you mr obrien).
Posted by captain underpants on September 18, 2013 at 5:16 PM · Report this
delirian 6
@3: It isn't censorship. It is simply putting a warning that says that images below the fold may be traumatic to people who suffer PTSD. And to be honest, we aren't talking about "everyone's personal trauma". We are talking about a newspaper that caters to the LGBT community, many of whom have been assaulted, bullied, and raped. A trigger warning would be very well directed here.
Posted by delirian on September 18, 2013 at 5:23 PM · Report this
dnt trust me 7
I guess it's only boobies, penises and other stuff that goes under the fold as NSFW.
When it comes to sadistic violence, fuck yeah!! I love playing mind games with my PTSD friends. Turn up the Sadism Danno!

Wait, Nudity=No, Violence=Yes ---- our society is fucked.
The Stranger is as ass backward as a Mississippi televangelist.
Posted by dnt trust me on September 18, 2013 at 5:29 PM · Report this
Christ, yes... this is all about a conspiracy against McGinn. This paper can't fucking help itself when it comes to that guy. Now that it's abundantly clear he's gonna lose, you guys are playing up the persecution complex.

If you gave two shits about the city council attacking this, you'd leave perceived political rivalries out of this and just ask them why they suddenly won't address this issue. Interjecting your McGinn crap pointlessly distracts from the main issue.
Posted by dak7e on September 18, 2013 at 5:34 PM · Report this
No surprise she is a terrible politician. Lots of good politicians going to be losing seats soon to come. Hope she is one of the first.

Sally Clark is worst type of politician. I usually don't comment just to be negative but she is so awful in every way. Waste of tax payers money. Fully. Lots of liberals prepared to do the job well.
Posted by michael bell on September 18, 2013 at 5:37 PM · Report this
delirian 10
On a side note, does anybody know if there is an organization dedicated to relocating LGBT people from Russia and getting them asylum in a safe country? I think Russia has found a scapegoat to vent their anger on. And since the violence is only increasing, now might be the time to organize to minimize the casualties.
Posted by delirian on September 18, 2013 at 5:43 PM · Report this
"For four years members of the Seattle City Council have been playing this game: refuse to work with the mayor then turn around condemn the mayor for not getting anything done. When people notice what they're up to and attempt to draw attention to the game they're playing—when angry posts like this go up—accuse the mayor of being "divisive."

FTW. This should be the wikipedia entry describing Seattle politics over the past 4 years.
Posted by Timothy on September 18, 2013 at 5:47 PM · Report this
Seattle City Council : McGinn = US Congress : Obama
Posted by Piesco on September 18, 2013 at 5:54 PM · Report this
I just always assumed city councils were supposed to be at odds with mayors. It's why nothing ever gets done anywhere.
Posted by Chali2Na on September 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM · Report this
For Mayor McGinn to not be able to get five votes for a slam dunk resolution such as this says more about the Mayor's lack of political skill and capital than any issue with the Council. He has poisoned the well so badly over time that now that something's actually at stake, he can't get the votes. He should be able to pass this easily. This is a non-binding resolution on violence against gay people, something everyone agrees is abhorrent. Instead, no one wants to get near him, even on something as important as this.

At this point, it seems McGinn couldn't get a grant for a billion dollars passed through this Council. This is why he's a problem. I want my Mayor to be influential and persuasive. Instead, he's inert. This is a problem for me as a resident of this city. Even the hated Sidran could have passed this. If he can't pass this, he can't pass anything.
Posted by Inert on September 18, 2013 at 6:06 PM · Report this
Elvis 15
Wow. As rough a hit as it is, this is just what we needed. Way to cut through the bullshit of petty municipal politics, Dan.

@8 Keep on trollin', lil buddy! Who knows, one day you might even get your own show on fox news!
Posted by Elvis on September 18, 2013 at 6:16 PM · Report this
TomJohnsonJr 16
As far as City Hall dynamics, McGinn looks to be on his way out the door soon enough. I don't know how Clark playing keepaway serves any purpose. The mayor's already done himself all the damage needed the last four years.

She ought to let go and get out of that corner she's painted into. Somebody who knows her, please help her plot a course out, and soon.

Because Russian LGBTs need Dan fighting for them against their real foes, not distracted by this bullshit.
Posted by TomJohnsonJr on September 18, 2013 at 6:24 PM · Report this

Haven't their been numerous attacks on gays on Capitol Hill.

How about focusing on that first?

Think Globally, Act Locally.

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on September 18, 2013 at 6:27 PM · Report this
Mark in Colorado 18
@17 "Haven't their been numerous attacks on gays on Capitol Hill. How about focusing on that first?"

Yes, because we can only do one thing at a time. Typical republican/conservative filth thinking.

Acting locally shouldn't preclude acting globally. Asswipe.
Posted by Mark in Colorado on September 18, 2013 at 6:49 PM · Report this
biffp 19
Agree with @14. No one works with McGinn because you believe a fucking word he says.
Posted by biffp on September 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM · Report this
Lew Siffer 20
I started a fundraiser to get McGinn some beard relaxer and treatment for disassociative beard rejection disorder. The evil Chi of his beard has poisoned his mind. The roots of the beard are too close to the seat of "self". Understanding and tolerance are needed, McGinn is in a bad way.
Posted by Lew Siffer on September 18, 2013 at 7:22 PM · Report this

'acting globally' probably doesn't mean what you imagine it does. but thanks for a laugh.
Posted by you're funny. on September 18, 2013 at 7:29 PM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 22
#6 "Censorship"? HUH? I NEVER said it was censorship. Please put what I write in quotes next time, that will help you. I treat adults like adults, strange and different concept, but I like the effect it has on adults. If you have PTSD or DDT or OCD or CRYMEARIVER then don't open ANY and ALL pages that might trigger an attack, or bad memories, or hurt feelings, or what ever. You call the shots for your life. Others don't need to sanitize the world in order to avoid "triggering" some event in others. Be the master of your own life. Don't expect others to be.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on September 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM · Report this
Lissa 23
I cannot fathom how she can look herself in the mirror. Speaking out against the situation in Russia is almost literally the least she could do. It costs her nothing to do so, and is so demonstrably the right thing to do.
Posted by Lissa on September 18, 2013 at 7:45 PM · Report this
Wow Dan makes a, fuck election year politicking, we should do this because it is fucking right, post and this comment thread is the result?

*shakes head*
Posted by Machiavelli was framed on September 18, 2013 at 7:56 PM · Report this
delirian 25
@22: I'm not trying to be a prick, but a trigger warning is a minor thing to do to prevent someone with PTSD from having an episode. Would you rather they hide themselves from the world and never engage? Is it too much to ask to have a little compassion?
Posted by delirian on September 18, 2013 at 8:08 PM · Report this
@24 Agreed. The hostility in this comments section is going to give me PTSD.
Posted by DanFan503 on September 18, 2013 at 8:16 PM · Report this
@14, if you want your mayor to be influential and persuasive, I guess you won't be voting, because Murray certainly doesn't fit that description.
Posted by sarah70 on September 18, 2013 at 9:08 PM · Report this
Alanmt 28
Sorry, 14.

But if people won't vote for an obviously worthwhile measure because it was proposed by the mayor, that points to their own inability to govern due to improper political or personal issues. A meritorious proposal doesn't lose its merit based on who proposed it.
Posted by Alanmt on September 18, 2013 at 9:19 PM · Report this
@25, I really wish people would shut up about trigger warnings on the internet.

My brother died that way.
Posted by GermanSausage on September 18, 2013 at 9:20 PM · Report this
Nope the pics should stay, posted front and foremost. I'm willing to accept the risk that a minuscule few might have their PTSD triggered, in the hopes that a minuscule few like our girlfriend Seattleblues might actually look at and think about what her philosophy/theology leads to. A horror that makes Jesus weep.

Those bloody noses, broken bones, glass filled anuses, tortured and beaten to death people.....our favourite church lady, Seattleblues she promotes that. She owns it.
Posted by Machiavelli was framed on September 18, 2013 at 9:37 PM · Report this
schmacky 31
Unfortunately @14 has a point, though that doesn't excuse Clark's behavior. She should still be ashamed. But Jesus...she's gay herself, and McGinn can't get her to back the measure? Seriously toxic relationship there.
Posted by schmacky on September 18, 2013 at 10:01 PM · Report this
kk in seattle 32
Can we please agree that the Seattle City Council has no official business at all commenting on foreign policy? If McGinn wants to go protest on his own time, fine, but we really should put a stop to all this. Can we just declare that all the bullshit resolutions in the past are forgiven so long as we never have to listen to some pious crap from 4th Avenue on female genital mutilation in Sudan or Christian persecution in Saudi Arabia? Isn't Uganda or Iran worse than Russia on executing gays? And what about North Korea? There are a fuckload of barbaric shitholes in this world, got it. If the City Council were worried about every atrocity on the planet we would never have time to pave over the waterfront street car tracks and create a bunch of parking on Alaskan Way for single occupant vehicle cars (thanks, Mr. Mayor!).
Posted by kk in seattle on September 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM · Report this
I am writing you to request that you do everything that is within your authority and personal power to insure the following the actions are accomplished:

- request state department to prioritize and streamline process for Russian/eastern bloc LGBTQ people seeking to flee to be granted asylum in the US.

- set up safe houses for LGBTQ people seeking asylum here to provide them transitional housing and support services (naturalization, child support, psychological counseling, job training etc).

- raise funding to provide travel fare by any means possible (plan, ship, etc) to aid LGBTQ people seeking to flee Russian/eastern bloc countries.

- engage local faith-based communities to aid in these efforts.

- publicly re-affirm Seattle's status as a Sanctuary City and what that means for LGBTQ people seeking to flee Russian/eastern bloc countries.

Unfortunately not all can be saved from the horrors that are happening and the more that are coming, but we can save some, possibly more than we realize.

We must act now, not a year from now.

Where will you stand?


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Posted by I am your Mother on September 18, 2013 at 11:00 PM · Report this
raindrop 34
@32 nails it. The Seattle City Council, the mayor, The Seattle Times, and so many (including Dan and Dom) are chasing tails and wasting their time, and their profession talents.

By the way, did the 1936 Syracuse New York City Council Resolution protesting Adolf Hitler's solidification of the Reichstag save any Jews?
Posted by raindrop on September 18, 2013 at 11:02 PM · Report this
dnt trust me 35
Somebody really needs to write something and get through to this Clark woman!
Quick, who knows more about writing than anyone?
Paul Constant!
Have him write a movie review of Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing" and get it off to Clark pronto!!
Posted by dnt trust me on September 18, 2013 at 11:14 PM · Report this
Jesus fucking H Christ, what can we do to stop this brutality?
Posted by fat ghost on September 18, 2013 at 11:16 PM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 37
Gay people in Russia say that doing this stuff and increasing visibility helps them. Why are you arguing with them that it isn't?

@35 - Um, what? You realize that the media landscape today worldwide is completely different from 1936 right? Oh who am I kidding, you're a conservative, why should logic get in the way of the moronic point you're trying to make.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on September 18, 2013 at 11:24 PM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 38
@35 - Jesus Christ, you're an annoying fuck. Go guzzle your haterade in another thread.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on September 18, 2013 at 11:26 PM · Report this
dnt trust me 39
Pridge, your such a darling. Did I hear right? Are you in fact Pope Peabrain's illegitimate child? Care to swashbuckle?
Posted by dnt trust me on September 18, 2013 at 11:30 PM · Report this
I agree that the Seattle city council should fix the streets before worrying about foreign policy, but this is a strange time to draw the line.
Posted by CodyTheRodeoStar on September 18, 2013 at 11:38 PM · Report this
@34 It never ceases to amaze me the contorted positions the gay children of Reagan will twist themselves into.

The obvious answer to your weak objection is, SO FUCKING WHAT?.

If your willing to sit on your thumbs and do nothing while your neighbor gets beaten to death in the street because "well there was that time in my grand parents day that trying to do something didn't work"..... you've seriously lost your way.
Posted by Machiavelli was framed on September 18, 2013 at 11:53 PM · Report this
Simply Me 42
Is it too late to launch a write-in campaign against Clark?
Posted by Simply Me on September 19, 2013 at 12:03 AM · Report this
JensR 43
@34 Fuck you. Seriously, just get the fuck off you waste of human skin.

Lets recap shall we? Russian LGBT people are asking foreigners and foreign states to protest to show that the Russian Government and their cronies are being watched.

You: "meh wont make a difference. Why bother?"

See something there? Like how you, with zero knowledge of the situation is in fact telling off someone who have almost all of the knowledge on the situation.
Wtf is wrong with your brain and why are you even trying to use it?
Posted by JensR on September 19, 2013 at 12:22 AM · Report this
raindrop 44
@43: You need to think things through. My point is why is everybody getting in a kerfuffle over a resolution that only provides, yes, a statement of support. I agree that the Seattle City Council and Ms. Ride should do it to get us past this mess, but moreover I agree that THE SEATTLE CITY COUNCIL HAS NO PROVIDENCE OVER WHAT HAPPENS IN RUSSIA OR ANYWHERE OUSIDE OF WASHINGTON STATE. Whew, I normally don't get that provoked, so please pardon my French.
The Seattle City Council's job is to tend to city business. The mayor's job is to tend to city business. However, our state senators and representatives, as well as the State Department, the White House, and most of all President Barack Obama should make it their business. The federal and national level is where the focus should be.
If we get the chain of Peter principles right, maybe we'll make some headway.
But please, don't be so annoyingly condescending to suggest that just because I realize that the Seattle City Council is essentially a moot pile of pontificating overpaid egomaniacs who would rather see their names in blogs and editorials than tend to the drudgery of meaningful city business, that I am not pained by the Putin's horrors - if you really think about that you owe me an apology.
Posted by raindrop on September 19, 2013 at 1:16 AM · Report this
raindrop 45
@39: If Pridge is the illegitimate child of Pope Peabrain, let us pray that is by only immaculate conception.
She needs to work on number typing, that wrath was not directed at how as you have no doubt surmised. Accordingly, her attempted snakebites are not worthy of anyone's response or further contemplation.
Posted by raindrop on September 19, 2013 at 1:30 AM · Report this
raindrop 46
@41 - If @44 doesn't answer your questions please let me know. Thanks.
Posted by raindrop on September 19, 2013 at 1:34 AM · Report this
lolorhone 47
@44: "Russian LGBT activists have called on gay people around the world to speak up on their behalf. "At this point, the more Russians know and the Kremlin knows that the world is watching, the safer we feel on the ground," Russian lesbian activist and author Masha Gessen said at a public meeting in New York City."

That is why "everybody [is] getting in a kerfuffle over a resolution that only provides...a statement of support." It is not a matter of providence, or diplomacy, or military action. It is a matter of direct humanitarian action and concerted humanitarian effort. If the council took time out to say no GMO salmon, they certainly can take the time show support to LGBT Russians who have told the world that just doing that much makes their homeland safer for them.
Posted by lolorhone on September 19, 2013 at 1:43 AM · Report this
lolorhone 48
@35: You're mocking locals who care about human rights issues that you don't happen to for what, shits and giggles? It's enough to be callous and mean-spirited and condescending. You don't have to be useless as well.
Posted by lolorhone on September 19, 2013 at 2:00 AM · Report this
raindrop 49
@47: If we start looking to the Seattle City Council as a vehicle to express or even implement humanitarian action and effort outside of the State of Washington, we have a warped view of civics. In addition, such things are above their pay grade anyway.
Get Ms. Patty and Ms. Maria and our House boys on it to draft a Congressional Resolution - now you're talking!
Why not put action where results are most effective. That's essentially my point.
Posted by raindrop on September 19, 2013 at 2:07 AM · Report this
lolorhone 50
@49: Why are you so absolutist about this? I don't see slippery slope as a valid argument against Seattle City Council becoming marginally involved in political action outside Washington. It has already been done, as detailed by Holden, without undue upset to the daily goings-on of the local government. If an action that has been proven to be effective by the testimony of the very people the action was meant to protect costs little or nothing in terms of time or resources to implement, why shit on it?
Posted by lolorhone on September 19, 2013 at 2:51 AM · Report this
Last of the Time Lords 51
At least the Mayor wants to stand up against violence against gays in Russia. I mean he's fucking IGNORED violence against the gay on Capitol Hill since he's been mayor of the city Capitol Hill is located. But fuck man! He's gonna take a stand against violence against gays is another country! THAT'S some fucking BRILLIANT leadership!!!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!
Posted by Last of the Time Lords on September 19, 2013 at 3:38 AM · Report this
Last of the Time Lords 52
But it is disingenious to throw the death of gays and lesbians in Russia at the feet of Sally Clark. Actually, it's hackery usually reserved for the Rush Limbaughs and Jesse Helms of the world. And is symbiotic of someone who doesn't know how to channel rightful anger into meaningful action.

To sum up it's the actions of a 8 year old little boy who isn't getting his way. And for anyone who has met Dan and paid attention to him over the last couple of decades knows that for all the really amazing things he does he ends up offsetting it with stupid things like this.
Posted by Last of the Time Lords on September 19, 2013 at 3:48 AM · Report this
lolorhone 53
Sally Clark is being a petty, mealy-mouthed politician when she could be helping people, and she's hiding behind a completely fabricated policy of local government to do it. Dan's not laying the deaths of LGBT people in Russia at her feet, he's pointing out that this is a cowardly, colossal dick move on her part- and he's right.
Posted by lolorhone on September 19, 2013 at 4:03 AM · Report this
@50, because Raindrop's a concern troll who previously moonlighted as "Gay_Dude_for_Romney" during the election?
Posted by FonsieScheme on September 19, 2013 at 5:19 AM · Report this
Alanmt 55
It's wrong to say it would have no effect. The Russian consulate has already noticed and responded strongly to the Mayor's presence at the protest.
Posted by Alanmt on September 19, 2013 at 5:19 AM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 56
Why isn't Dan pushing President Obama to do something about the suffering of GLBT people in Russia? It seems the President of the United States is in a far better position to do something than the Mayor of City Council of a small city in the US.

At least Carter had the balls to boycott the 1980 Olympics over Russia's human rights violations when they invaded a country we decided to invade 20 years later.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on September 19, 2013 at 7:04 AM · Report this
seatackled 57

Not sure what you're point is, perhaps other than that you're against the city taking any position, but actually, the President has done something--something fairly significant, in fact.

Since you weren't paying attention, here's a link.…
Posted by seatackled on September 19, 2013 at 7:16 AM · Report this
Sir Vic 58
Maybe the Russian mafia in town got to her. Oh, wait, the only mobster we've ever had was a small-time strip club owner. Nevermind.
Posted by Sir Vic on September 19, 2013 at 7:34 AM · Report this
There's a lot of supposition. And here say in this piece. Where's a quote from Clark?
Posted by TJ on September 19, 2013 at 7:37 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 60
John McCain only speaks up for gay rights in Russia but not America. He gets half a gold star.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on September 19, 2013 at 8:01 AM · Report this
raindrop 61
@50: Yes, yes, a thousand times yes - they should have all signed the resolution days ago.

Dom is wrong when he says these things don't hold up city business. I've watched these things on TV. The council hears testimony and there's Q&A - they take hours. Worthy causes yes, but that's someone else's job. No theirs. Remember, they're on our dime.

And what about the Coal Train? That should be their primary focus.
Posted by raindrop on September 19, 2013 at 8:50 AM · Report this
lolorhone 62
@61: Unless you can prove an outside issue addressed by the council has proven itself disruptive to the process and wasteful to taxpayers, I respectfully reject your 'not our problem' stance. Actually, I also reject your 'not our problem' stance as a citizen of the world- even though you'll probably think I'm some kind of foolish idealist for evoking the concept. But urgently pressing worthy causes are almost never addressed- let alone resolved- by counting on the efficacy of proper bureaucratic channels.
Posted by lolorhone on September 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM · Report this
Lissa 63
I think we all agree that the council should make a statement condemning the treatment of LGBT in Russia, Raindrop included, don't we?

@35: Please do not speak to me. Thank you.
Posted by Lissa on September 19, 2013 at 9:25 AM · Report this
@55 nails it. The Russian reaction to McGinn's actions show that the City Council could have an effect. The more the Russians react, the more coverage there is and the more shame gets heaped on the Russians to do something about these horrors. And good for Ed Murray for saying he and McGinn are on the same page on this. Sally Clark needs to remember that the gays and lesbians in Russia are our brothers and sisters. What if she had been born in Russia? Wouldn't she want every possible voice in the world speaking out on this?
Posted by NotYourStrawMan on September 19, 2013 at 9:36 AM · Report this
raindrop 65
@63: Correct. I've been stating that I'm for it. I made other points, but people misconstrued them.
Posted by raindrop on September 19, 2013 at 9:49 AM · Report this
Raindrop your right a city council vote is the equivalent of lighting a candle. What you are wilfully ignoring (at best) denying (in effect) is.....

"You can blow out a candle but you can't blow out a fire, once the flame begins to catch the wind will blow it higher"

Seattle should do this, it matters it is not a waste of time. Why? Because.....Biko…
Posted by Machiavelli was framed on September 19, 2013 at 10:16 AM · Report this
Baby Blue 67
I also disagree that this is part of some conspiracy against McGinn. I like a good consiracy theory as much as the next guy but I think it is far more likely that Sally Clark just couldn't be bothered to do the work period.

Now, of course, she doesn't want to do it because she'd have to swallow her pride and admit she was just being a lazy good for nothing who couldn't be bothered to stand up for her own people (solidarity does know bounds after all, I guess).

Today's letter from Mr. Lakin addresses the latter far more tactfully than I could be trusted to do.
Posted by Baby Blue on September 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 68
@39, 45 - I'm a fully legitimate child of Pope Peabrain. He's got more smarts and class in his peanky (lol!) finger than either of you. Or both of you put together for that matter.

@56 - Do you ever contribute anything worthwhile without Obama bashing in the process? Just curious.

@Alanmt - Everytime I see your icon, I feel a lil' somethin'... where can I get the full version of it?

@lolorhone & Lissa - You remain some of my favorite people on Slog. <3
Posted by Pridge Wessea on September 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM · Report this
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Lissa 70
@68: I so wish you would/could come to Slog Happy on Friday!
Posted by Lissa on September 19, 2013 at 2:41 PM · Report this
lolorhone 71
@Pridge and @Lissa:

Peace, love, and chicken grease, my friends : )
Posted by lolorhone on September 19, 2013 at 3:57 PM · Report this
Just a point of clarification on the assault mentioned in the beginning of the post. The man was probably being targeted and assaulted because he was Uzbek. Brutalizing Central Asians (especially Uzbeks) is horrifyingly commonplace here. The gay bashing overtones to the assault might have been fueled by the current political furor, but honestly, Uzbeks and other Central Asians who move to Russia to find work have been victims of this sort of violence for years.

I'm not trying to detract from the point of the post, but I just wanted you to be aware that in this part of the world, incidents like this aren't first and foremost gay bashing. There are lots of skinhead/neo-Nazi groups in Russia that beat up and murder Central Asians, and they probably use the gay bashing style assaults on their victims because they see it as a way to degrade their victims even further.
Posted by malwae on September 20, 2013 at 6:53 AM · Report this
Let Councilwoman Clark know how you feel by commenting on her Facebook page.
Posted by mercury613 on September 25, 2013 at 3:28 AM · Report this

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