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Friday, August 23, 2013

Professional Idiot Bruce Ramsay "Burst Out Laughing" at Chelsea Manning

Posted by on Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I've made fun of the Seattle Times Editorial Board's Resident Idiot, Bruce Ramsay, before. I honestly have no idea how the man is still on the Times's payroll. He's an embarrassment. But his blog post today about Chelsea Manning is beyond the pale. Like all of Ramsay's writing, it's childlike and shallow, and it shows a dimwit's grasp of world affairs. But more importantly, it's a cruel personal attack on transgender rights, framed in the aw-shucks context of a "you've-gotta-laugh" story. It begins:

“Bradley Manning wants to live as a woman,” our story said. I burst out laughing.

Then there's a paragraph making fun of the photo of Chelsea Manning, which, "funniest of all," Ramsay notes, comes courtesy of the US Army. And then there's this:

“Be all you can be,” eh?

Now Manning wants the government to pay for conversion from M to F. The story quotes a Pentagon source saying that the United States Army does not provide sex-reassignment therapy. And the executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality says, “In the United States it is illegal to deny health care to prisoners.”

Guess who wins.

Now correct me if I'm wrong—Ramsay's writing is so dumb that I might be misinterpreting what passes for his intent—but is Ramsay suggesting here that Manning is pulling some sort of a long con to get free gender-reassignment therapy? Is that really what Ramsay is insinuating? Is he trying to turn this conversation about whistleblowing and patriotism into a sniggering little hateful blog post appended with a lame argument against health care for prisoners? Does he really think that Chelsea Manning is "winning" this battle? Or is Ramsay just a doddering old fool who can't stand anyone who's not white, straight, and male? Is this drool on a napkin supposed to represent what the Times considers to be rational thought? (The Stranger has reached out to the Times for comment about this post, asking whether they'd condone this sort of writing about gay people, or African-Americans, or any other minority group.) Finally, and maybe most importantly, isn't it long past time to take this piece of shit "writer" out to the pasture for his retirement?

UPDATE 1:11 PM: On Twitter, Times writer Jonathan Martin distances himself from Ramsay's blog post:


UPDATE 2:01 PM: Ramsay has posted a "clarification" that reads, in part:

Since posting this at 6:35 a.m., several readers have accused me of being a bigoted person, making fun of transgendered people. I did not intend that. I was not making fun of transgendered people as such.

Sorry, dumbass. I'm pretty sure that laughing at Chelsea Manning for identifying as a woman, which you do in the second sentence of the post and then continue to do throughout the piece, automatically qualifies as making fun of a transgendered person. Your "clarification" insinuates that there's some depth or subtlety to your piece, which is maybe the single most unbelievable thing I've heard all day.

 

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>but is Ramsay suggesting here that Manning is pulling some sort of a long con to get free gender-reassignment therapy?

No. You really need to chill upon this.
Posted by The CHZA on August 23, 2013 at 1:12 PM · Report this
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the comments are equally as horrible. there are people in seattle that think this way? holy fuck.
Posted by gross people hate on August 23, 2013 at 1:17 PM · Report this
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As if I needed another reason to continue not reading the Times.
Posted by tiktok on August 23, 2013 at 1:24 PM · Report this
TomJohnsonJr 4
Mad-lib style: "Christ, what an __________."
Posted by TomJohnsonJr on August 23, 2013 at 1:30 PM · Report this
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He's an insensitive douche, and someone profoundly unprepared for modernity, and now that he finds it I front of him, he "bursts out laughing" because the alternative is to look carefully at the issue and maybe check his douchey reaction.

Which is hard for us egotistical humans to do. All of us. Have compassion for Bruce. He is encountering something he doesn't understand and is having an irrational, knee-jerk response.

An opposing irrational knee jerk response doesn't move the conversation forward, though.
Posted by nullbull on August 23, 2013 at 1:35 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 6
The sad thing is how many of these fuckers think the governemnt pays for sex reassignment surgery or hormone therapy.

If the troglodytes spending their golden years standing in the way of enlightened policies think they're already paying for enlightened polices, why can't we just have enlightened polices? If we're going to be stuck in the dark ages until all these fucks die off, can these fucks at least show a tiny bit of satisfaction or gratitude that they're succeeding in keeping us in the dark ages?
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on August 23, 2013 at 1:39 PM · Report this
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Russian squad:

http://cdn.ph.upi.com/sv/upi/UPI-9907132…

I'm not saying anything...

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on August 23, 2013 at 1:41 PM · Report this
Reverse Polarity 8
There are any number of reasons to disagree with Manning's actions, but for the Seattle Times to mock a trans?

Not cool. Fuck you once again, Seattle Times.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on August 23, 2013 at 1:58 PM · Report this
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@2 and @3: Srsly.
Posted by Calvin&Hobbes on August 23, 2013 at 1:59 PM · Report this
10
Disgusting. Right up there with this chestnut, which of course nobody at the Slog said a word about: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
Posted by Rock Quarry on August 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM · Report this
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In order of questions-

Manning is neither a whistle blower nor a patriot. He's a convicted criminal who belongs where he is, in prison.

Nobody's talking about denial of health care to prisoners. They're talking about whether Bradley Manning should have an elective procedure done at taxpayers expense while he's in prison.

Mr. Ramsey represents mainstream American thought on the mentally ill unfortunates calling themselves transgender. You're the crazy ones here, not him. Nor did race come into his comments, or napkins come to that.

Consider yourself corrected Constant, no thanks needed.
Posted by Seattleblues on August 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM · Report this
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Ramsay = Mudede.

6 of 12.

Half a dozen.

fire them BOTH.
Posted by Rowlf on August 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM · Report this
raku 13
11: Seriously? Even if transgender people were "mentally ill" (which the APA unfortunately classifies them as, mostly for insurance purposes), are you saying the government shouldn't provide healthcare for the mentally ill? Your bigotry doesn't even follow your own logic.

Bruce Ramsay should be fired for this, regardless of what else he's done. It's within his rights to be hateful or willfully ignorant, but it should not be OK to pay him to publish those thoughts.
Posted by raku on August 23, 2013 at 2:21 PM · Report this
Simply Me 14
FYI saying "transgendered" is akin to calling someone "colored". "Trans" or "Transgender" will suffice.
Posted by Simply Me on August 23, 2013 at 2:24 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 15
11, Ramsey isn't a bigot, he's just an asshole. You, otoh, *are* a bigot. People who wish to cover up & keep torture a secret are on the same moral level of those who enjoy torturing people. It is nice for you to continue to post here, as an example of what a morally bankrupt person thinks. It helps to remind us of the proper direction.

BTW, here's a brief run-down of what Manning exposed:

1) Official policy of US Govt to ignore torture in Iraq.
2) Child Abuse and Human trafficking by US security contractors.
3) Guantanamo prison holds mostly innocent people.
4) The official tally of civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan.
5) U.S. Military withheld info about indiscriminate killing of Journalists & Iraqi civilians.
6) US State Department backed corporate opposition to minimum wage in Haiti, in one of the poorest countries in the world.
7) The U.S. Government had long been faking its public support for Tunisian President Ben Ali.
8 ) Known Egyptian torturers received training from the FBI.
9) State Dept authorized theft of UN Secretary General’s DNA. Credit card details, passwords etc.
10) In 2008 Japanese and U.S. Governments had been warned about seismic threat at Fukushima.
11) Obama Administration allowed Yemen’s President cover up secret U.S. drone bombing campaign which was killed mainly civilians inc children.

Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on August 23, 2013 at 2:29 PM · Report this
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Do federal prisoners (military or otherwise) receive treatment for clinical depression? Isn't gender dysphoriaore or less a similar psychological condition?

I'm not questioning whether gender dysphoria is a real disorder; let's assume that it is, and further lets assume that gender reassignment therapy is the best treatment for it. Why is it incumbent on the state, as a matter of human rights, to provide that treatment to a duly convicted prisoner?

I know some private insurers may cover such treatments, but are they *required* to as a matter of human rights? I mean, even under Obamacare, providing any sort of non-emergency health care is not *guaranteed* to all individuals- you're still supposed to buy health insurance and then it depends on the terms of that plan.

In terms of Mannings human rights, I'd be happy if they just didn't torture him^D^D^Dher anymore.
Posted by madcap on August 23, 2013 at 2:34 PM · Report this
Beetlecat 17
@14 that's some wafer-thin hair splitting you got there.. ;D

@11 -- so you don't mind the taxpayer expense of actually locking him up for 35 years?
Posted by Beetlecat on August 23, 2013 at 2:36 PM · Report this
blip 18
@11, Hormone therapy costs a fraction of mental health care.
Posted by blip on August 23, 2013 at 3:02 PM · Report this
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@11: "Consider yourself corrected."

As soon as I find something about your post that is correct, I will.
Posted by treehugger on August 23, 2013 at 3:25 PM · Report this
seatackled 20
The Times has had some really good coverage of transgender issues; it's a shame that Ramsay's post is in the same paper, and a further shame that he didn't have enough class just to apologize.
Posted by seatackled on August 23, 2013 at 3:45 PM · Report this
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No self-respecting journalist would use Manning's drag queen stage name of "Chelsea". When he goes to a judge and legally changes it, sure you can call him "Chelsea" or "
Beezow Doo-Doo Zoppitybop-Bop-Bop" for all I care, along with reference to his traitorous name Bradley.

As for his sex, as long as he has nuts and a twig, he's a male. Now, he call can himself a ladie, or woman, a small furry rodent, and ask all his friends and supporters to do so, but he's not biologically a female.

Not to worry ladies, once Little Bradley gets to leavenworth he'll be some lifer Marine's bitch so fast, his wishes will be met.
Posted by Dude looks like a lady on August 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 22
@16,

My understanding is that hormonal treatment is far more likely to be covered than surgery by private insurers and the government. I also think I remember trans advocates being disgruntled with Obamacare because it doesn't mandate coverage for gender reassignment surgery.
Posted by keshmeshi on August 23, 2013 at 4:27 PM · Report this
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@22

"Disgruntled"?

Wait, that's my drag queen name!
Posted by Joan Jett Blakk on August 23, 2013 at 4:34 PM · Report this
levide 24
Ramsey's addition of "as such" to "I was not making fun of transgendered (sic) people" is stunningly passive-aggressive.
Posted by levide on August 23, 2013 at 5:06 PM · Report this
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If you're going to call Ramsey an idiot and a dumbass, perhaps you could spell his name correctly. You screwed it up 10 times in the course of this post, even with the benefit of the embedded JMart tweet to help you find the right path.
Posted by Relling on August 23, 2013 at 5:26 PM · Report this
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If I wear a Utilikilt, am I Scottish?
Posted by Welsh Poof on August 23, 2013 at 5:31 PM · Report this
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When is the Seattle Times going to get it? They are so disconnected from the public it is supposed to serve!

If Blethen won't hold this jerk accountable, I hope his colleagues do.

Jonathan Martin should be Executive Editor NOW. Enough with the Blethen ass kissers.
Posted by Fizgig on August 23, 2013 at 8:23 PM · Report this
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My grandfather lost a leg fighting nazis. Give Bradley manning a rusty knife and rubbing alcohol and let him go at it. He's a piece of shit, not a hero.
Posted by Fuck him ...yes, "him" on August 23, 2013 at 9:03 PM · Report this
undead ayn rand 29
"I was not making fun of transgendered people as such."

1) Making fun of transgendered persons is shitty regardless of how you do it.

2) You were doing exactly such.
Posted by undead ayn rand on August 23, 2013 at 9:45 PM · Report this
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Yes, making a joke at the expense of the transgendered community is wrong, except when Dan Savage does it.

Thanks for the lesson.
Posted by Harriet Meyers on August 24, 2013 at 7:33 AM · Report this
undead ayn rand 31
@30: We take the trans community very seriously? People might take ~your~ claim seriously if you referred to the specific incident where he mocked transpersons versus simply calling Savage some sort of "trans-hater" citation-free.
Posted by undead ayn rand on August 24, 2013 at 11:40 AM · Report this
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@29

Making fun of the mentally ill is discourteous, certainly. But most humor revolves around a change in expectations. Who's on first is hilarious because of this confusion of expectations.

So when someone, with a serious, even self righteous, air makes a stupid, silly, inane comment like 'gender has nothing to do with genitalia' sane people can't help a belly laugh.

Again, you're the nutjobs here and it's high time the rest of us stopped apologizing for your taking umbrage at reality.
Posted by Seattleblues on August 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM · Report this
undead ayn rand 33
@32: Yawn. Go spend time with your fake wife and boast to her about how the fags are going to hell. I'm sure your fake wife loves hearing your rants.
Posted by undead ayn rand on August 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM · Report this
Clara T 34
@32 Who's on first is weak hacky nonsense - always was badly-written comedy and always will be. Let me guess, you love you some Jeff Dunham too.

Posted by Clara T on August 25, 2013 at 9:58 PM · Report this
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@15,

Thanks for that list of issues Ms. Manning revealed. I hope she is pardoned and not forced to serve the full sentence.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on August 26, 2013 at 7:55 AM · Report this
undead ayn rand 36
@34: I love that the nicest thing anyone's said to Seattleblues on the Slog is that he isn't as illiterate as the other hatemongers that ooze all over this site. Racist puppet humor seems the upward limit of his "class".
Posted by undead ayn rand on August 27, 2013 at 7:51 AM · Report this

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