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Wednesday, August 7, 2013

Morning News: Human Wasps, Presidential Finks, and Disney Turds

Posted by on Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 7:52 AM

An Election Happened Last Night: Read all about Steinbrueck's Steinbruecks, Ed Murray's tardiness, and Mike McGinn's surprising sort-of win over here!

Touched by a Politician: Two more women have come forward to accuse San Diego mayor Bob Filner of sexual harassment, upping the number of Filner's alleged victims to 13. The LATimes gives us this depressing detail: "Tindley, an Army veteran, said she met Filner at the same event, where she gave a speech about sexual assault in the military."

Catholic Church Continues Its Reign as Cartoonish Villain: A Wisconsin Catholic church is booting out a troop of boy scouts that's been meeting at the church for 20 years because the troop won't discriminate against gay youth.

France and Fast Food: French lawmakers are angry that half of their restaurants now use processed "fast foods" in their dishes without telling customers.

“I don’t want chefs replaced by microwaves,” said Daniel Fasquelle, a lawmaker in the French Assembly who voted recently for a measure that would require restaurants to print “fait maison” — or homemade — on menus next to dishes that were created from scratch.

Redmond Cold Case Cracked: A Redmond teen who's been missing since 1990 has been identified by DNA from a skull fragment found near I-90.

Cleveland House of Horrors Razed: Ariel Castro's house, where he admitted to keeping three women chained and raped them for over a decade, is being completely demolished today and its materials shredded so that it can't be sold as creepy memorabelia.

Obama Finks on Putin Visit: Our president is reportedly mad about Putin's support of Edward Snowden and Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, and presumably about the Russian government's decision to persecute gays and lesbians.

Obama, Terrified: "President Barack Obama says the threat of an imminent terrorist attack against Americans is, in his words, 'significant enough that we're taking every precaution,'" reports the NYTimes.

"My mullet was an ethnic hatchet": Sherman Alexie explains the hair of his youth, and growing up in a government built house, while writing an into to the 20th anniversary edition of The Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven.

Disney's $190 Million Turd: Walt Disney is expected to lose between $160-$190 million on its Lone Ranger film. Tonto star Johnny Depp blames the media: "I think the reviews were probably written when they heard that Gore and Jerry and I were going to do 'The Lone Ranger,'" Depp said during a media junket, calling the movie "brave." Perhaps Depp never got around to actually watching the film?

Attack of the Human Wasp: A man was doused with wasp repellent after allegedly stabbing another man in the back.


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Pope Peabrain 1
I haven't seen The Lone Ranger so I can't comment on it's quality. But I must say that Depp's costume really,really turned me off. I thought it looked like a crazy Indian stereotype.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on August 7, 2013 at 8:05 AM · Report this
@1: You are closer to the film's spoiler than you think. SO spent money to watch it in theaters and told me. I think I'll wait for it on Netflix.
Posted by treehugger on August 7, 2013 at 8:07 AM · Report this
a big night for mike mcginn? what?

how about "Incumbent Trails Socialist Even" or "Mayor loses thirty points compared to his last race".....painting this as a win for the mayor means you're totally in his camp.

"hey he didn't lose to a former city councilmember, woo hoo!"
Posted by 100 - 27 = X on August 7, 2013 at 8:08 AM · Report this
You need a link to the Sherman Alexie story.
Posted by Faber on August 7, 2013 at 8:09 AM · Report this
"Of course, he got less than 50 percent of the vote—which is a miserable showing for a[n] incumbent " but then the other incumbent at 27 percent gets the headline, "McGinn wins".

yikes. 27 = wins, but 49 % is miserable.

move the goalposts much?
Posted by sliding scale journalism on August 7, 2013 at 8:17 AM · Report this

Mike McGinn poses for a "victory" photo op in The City:…

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on August 7, 2013 at 8:19 AM · Report this
NotSean 7
Disney + ActionAdventure = flop

... That can sometimes be salvaged by the right cast...(e.g. Depp) but even that trick only works so many times. (Pirates I,II,III,IV...)

Avengers was smart to put Disney's distribution credit way at the end of the flick.

Disney's John Carter... mega-flop.

Planes will tank.. big time.

Star Wars... could be salvaged if (i) Disney does not have any artisitc input and (ii) they don't slap their name on the front.

Disney's Star Wars
Episode Seven:
Ewok's Jamboree

Posted by NotSean on August 7, 2013 at 8:19 AM · Report this


Bury my career at Wounded Knee…

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on August 7, 2013 at 8:29 AM · Report this
lawdog 9
The Lone Ranger is not a bad movie. This is mob mentality and the sheeple of 'Murica have simply perpetuated a rumor that it sucks...When's the last time Johnny Depp disappointed? And director Gore Verbinski gave us 3 Pirates of the Caribbean movies! Rango! The Ring! People are fickle, TLR is the comedy version of Hell on Wheels and ranks with any other Disney film. Rant rover raggy.
Posted by lawdog on August 7, 2013 at 9:02 AM · Report this
Dude. Johnny Depp's been in so many things lately that people are tired of seeing him, and his Tonto is a fucking insult to natives.

Also - it's a movie based off a mediocre TV show that hasn't been on the air for nearly 60 years in a genre that with the exception of 3:10 to Yuma, Django Unchained and True Grit hasn't performed well in the last 20.

Of course it's going to fucking flop.
Posted by tired of this bs on August 7, 2013 at 9:07 AM · Report this
mkyorai 11
@10 nails it. I had hoped that the sheer floppage of TLR would knock some humility into Johnny Depp and make him consider doing something -anything- other than variations on his Jack Sparrow schtick. Depp has talent, but it feels like he's gotten lazy about picking roles and playing them.
Posted by mkyorai on August 7, 2013 at 9:24 AM · Report this
zivilisierter Wurm 12
@11: not to mention that criminally shit-tastic Alice in Wonderland remake he did with Burton. Johnny Depp has been playing the same character for the last 10 years, and it looks like H-wood has finally beaten that horse to death.
Posted by zivilisierter Wurm on August 7, 2013 at 10:31 AM · Report this
delirian 13
On the same day that Obama cancelled his meeting with Putin, John Lewis just praised Edward Snowden. Ouch! That is going to leave a mark.…
Posted by delirian on August 7, 2013 at 10:33 AM · Report this
delirian 14
@12: You do realize that Johnny Depp has received 3 Oscar noms for Leading Actor in the last 10 years, and only one of them was for the Jack Sparrow character. So while it is true that he does have a stock character, he also has quite a bit of range outside of that.
Posted by delirian on August 7, 2013 at 10:35 AM · Report this
Know why Obama didn't mention Russian law? Because sovereign nations have the right to regulate themselves as they like. Russians may object to so called gay marriage in the US, but even I'd say it wasn't their business if a Russian head of state made public comments on the issue.

Apart from that outside of the 'gays are privileged citizens with the right to dictate terms to everyone else' movement (apparently now you believe you can do this globally) nobody cares. I'm not planning to travel to Russia or to break their laws if I did, so it really isn't my problem. Or that of anyone else really...
Posted by Seattleblues on August 7, 2013 at 10:51 AM · Report this
delirian 16
@15: Fuck off Seattleblues. You've said this bullshit 100 times over and have yet to give a logical and ethical reason why a person SHOULD ignore human rights violations. All you do is try to dress your bigotry in pseudo-legalese to obfuscate the ethics.
Posted by delirian on August 7, 2013 at 10:56 AM · Report this

In the US homosexuals have more rights not fewer. If a gay 'man' is assaulted the offender is punished more severely than if his victim was normal. You get to decide for %97 of the population to destroy marriage and family. Get over yourself and your sense of persecution already, will you?

As for how other nations deal with those same attacks on morality, marriage and family I already gave you the reason it ain't your business. They are sovereign nations. Don't like their policy, don't buy their exports or travel there. But if you do go there obey their laws or expect to pay for your criminal behavior.
Posted by Seattleblues on August 7, 2013 at 11:06 AM · Report this
Oh and you can call names all you like. Bigot and the marvelously infantile 'hater' and all the rest say more about your inability to understand English than they do about me.
Posted by Seattleblues on August 7, 2013 at 11:09 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 19
@ 18, refusing to accept gays as being born that way (as affirmed by science) and condemning healthy gay sex as "wrong" or " bad" (as contrindicated by science) does make you a bigot. Your positions are rooted in internal hate, not external facts.
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 7, 2013 at 11:13 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 20
BTW, a plurality of "normal" people support same sex marriage now. Republican democracy!
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM · Report this

For all I know (or care) the sexual inclination to homosexual behavior is innate. So, I assume, is pedophilia. So for that matter is cancer or Alzheimers.

Having an inclination doesn't inherently justify behaving on it. The consequences of doing so are what we judge the behavior on.

So homosexuals experience mental illness at high rates. Suicide is far more common for gay identified people than others. Life expectancy is lower.

Hardly healthy behavior, I'd say...
Posted by Seattleblues on August 7, 2013 at 11:20 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 22
@21, none of that is supported by science. Especially the notion that there's mental illness or dire consequences. Why do you suppose that is?
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 7, 2013 at 11:23 AM · Report this

Hate is another word you apparently don't use as it's defined. I feel some pity and a lot of blank incomprehension for the homosexual impulse.

I feel exasperated at the sense of childish entitlement gays seem to feel.

I feel appropriate anger at the attacks on family, sexual morality and marriage gays are orchestrating.

But hate? Nah. I'll leave that to the likes of Daniel Savage.
Posted by Seattleblues on August 7, 2013 at 11:34 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 24
@ 23, your comment history speaks more your hate than your occasional politeness does.

Are you willing to consider my comment @23v
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 7, 2013 at 11:43 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 25
Make that @ 22. And keep in mind that your reticence is as revealing as your participation.
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 7, 2013 at 11:57 AM · Report this
Oh, well if gay identified youth don't commit suicide at higher rates Savage can cancel his attempts at evangelizing homosexual promiscuity in It Gets Better.

As for the rest, they're facts. Depression and other anxiety disorders are far more common among self identified homosexuals than those with healthier sexual expressions. Risky sexual behavior among gays, with the attendant STDs, are also far more common than among heterosexuals. And life expectancy for gays is lower than straight men.

Not liking facts isn't the same as untrue facts. Or didn't you know that?
Posted by Seattleblues on August 7, 2013 at 12:12 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 27
@ 26, they're facts, but do they mean what you say? All the studies conclude that himosexuality is normal, and gay sex is healthy when safe (just like straight sex is risky when unsafe), so why these facts?

These things ate the result if the neurosis inflicted upon them by a discriminatory society. Think if African Americans. Discrimination used to make them neurotic too, what with hair straightening, skin bleaching, and passing as white. Depression, despair, and suicide resulted too. All because of the general ignorance and discrimination at the hands of the majority.

So, the facts have an external cause - discrimination. Just as black people began accepting who they are, and white society realized how unfair they had been, so too will LGBT youth be happier as the truth about homosexuality is embraced by the straight majority.
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 7, 2013 at 12:22 PM · Report this
very bad homo 28
@26 Gay people have higher rates of mental illness and suicide because fuckers like you abuse them from the time they're young children.
Rant and cry all you want, though. Your hateful type of person is thankfully a dying minority now. Crawl back under your bridge.
Posted by very bad homo on August 7, 2013 at 12:23 PM · Report this
And the important stuff.

From the cold and dreary jail cell of CIA whistleblower, John Kiriakou:…

The billionaires' ownership of the news:…

And appropriate quotes from the grave on the above article:

"Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one."

"People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news."

The late journalist, A. J. Liebling…

And no more cocaine shipments to Miami?…

Finally, a citizens' watchdog group on drones:
Posted by sgt_doom on August 7, 2013 at 12:34 PM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 30
Bigot says he's not a bigot because he says he isn't. Believes that if he says things, they're true. Claims a persecuted class has more rights them him by attempting to restrict the rights they have. Consistently conveys a lack of morals and a severe dislike of family values. Kills kids and other people while claiming he's saving them.

Did I miss anything?

Posted by Pridge Wessea on August 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM · Report this
The movie, The Drone Ranger, starring you know what prez, appears to be a big hit among some victims, though!
Posted by sgt_doom on August 7, 2013 at 12:44 PM · Report this
Aww, isn't that cute? Little Pridge learned how to type!

Now when he learns what his words mean, he'll be a big boy!

Kills kids is probably my favorite of your wildly hyperbolic statements.

If you'll excuse me I'm taking my son fishing. Or drowning him in the fascinating mind of Little Pridge.
Posted by Seattleblues on August 7, 2013 at 12:47 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 33
@ 32, you must still have time to respond to my comment @ 27.
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM · Report this
blip 34
Guys, just stop.

It's like watching people argue with someone who still believes the earth is flat. Scientific evidence, public opinion, common sense -- none of it matters. You can provide citations from irrefutable sources but none of it will change his opinions or his boorish, condescending behavior because this is the only place where he still has a sense of control over these things. The real world is terrifying but here in the anonymous comforts of Slog's comments he gets to create his own reality and insist ours is the one that's false.

Just let him have his tantrums. It's the only thing he has left.
Posted by blip on August 7, 2013 at 1:31 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 35
@ 32, I guess not. Well, I'll just note that you must have read @ 27. As I said earlier, your reticence is as revealing as what you say, and in this case your silence indicates that you don't know how to respond to @ 27. The indeniable parallels between racism and homophobia* throw you off all the time.

* And spare us a semantics argument against this word. Prejudice against gay people has this word for its name, for better or worse.
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 7, 2013 at 1:34 PM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 36
@32 - You really should answer Matt's comment @27. My comment was totally the low hanging fruit, I'm guesstimating that it either struck a nerve or it was simply an easy way to use your random activity with family member x escape again, which you've been using for years everytime you want to slink away pretending you won.

P.S. - Everything about you seems lightly coated with slime. Gross.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on August 7, 2013 at 1:38 PM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 37
@34 That would be wrong. While it would seem to leave Slog a little more drama-free, in the larger picture we just cant leave his ignorant statements unchallenged.

For every commenter, dozens or more read without commenting. By fighting back against the ignorance we keep it from spreading.

Who knows- sb's alleged kid may exist. Someday he may find the internet. He may find Slog, or some other place where ignorance is regularly corrected. That's why we mustnt let sb's ignorance go unchallenged.

And thank you to Matt in Denver for articulating it so well today.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on August 7, 2013 at 2:04 PM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 38
Also notice how with only a little provokation sb's ill-concealed and un-christian hate spills forth. He is his own worst enemy and people should see that side of him. Letting him comment and then go unchallenged would not allow that to happen.

Sorry it brings down Slog but seeing how easily a True Christian (tm) is provoked into very un Christ-like behavior is very illuminating.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on August 7, 2013 at 2:09 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 39
Thanks for the kind words, @ 37.

@ 34, I would add that SB appears to get a cathartic charge out of his "participation" at Slog. Yes, it's probably all that he has, but I find it intolerable to let him have it on his own terms. On a conscious level he seems to believe he's proving something; knowing that he isn't, I simply feel the need to show him that he isn't.

SB isn't a typical troll; he'll probably be more nourished if we ignore him, because he would likely tell himself we aren't answering because we can't. OTOH, he always abandons threads where someone like venomlash or Lissa prove he's wrong. I'll be very surprised if he returns and actually addresses my points (the ones I made, as opposed to the things I didn't say but he wishes I did).
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 7, 2013 at 2:21 PM · Report this
blip 40
@37/8, If people ignore him, he goes away. When people engage, he'll rack up 10+ comments saying the same dumb shit he's said 100 times before, ignoring substantive arguments in favor of replying to the cheap shots and personal attacks. The only reason he keeps posting the same losing arguments over and over again is because he knows it gets a rise out of people. I've certainly fallen for it before. By engaging, you give him the motivation and the platform to keep going.
Posted by blip on August 7, 2013 at 2:30 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 41
@ 40, I disagree. If we ignore him, he'll claim victory, and possibly become more obnoxious.
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM · Report this
blip 42
@41, History suggests otherwise. When people ignore him, he stops posting. Besides, he will always claim victory, even after gay marriage is legal in your state, DOMA and DADT are dead, and public opinion marches steadily in our favor. Hooray for him.
Posted by blip on August 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 43
@ 42, I know of no such history. In the past, he only stopped posting because of major defeats for his side in the political arena. He has not been simply ignored on Slog.
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 44
@42 - Out of our resident trolls, that hasn't worked for SRotU, Will in Seattle, sgt_doom, or the various Alleged clones. Why are you confident this strategy would work with SB?
Posted by Pridge Wessea on August 7, 2013 at 2:54 PM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 45
Also, what Dr Awesome and Matt and Denver have said.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on August 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM · Report this
blip 46
Okay whatever. This is more tedious than arguing with the idiot we're talking about.

If you don't reply you don't give him anything to latch onto to keep spewing his nonsense. He may get a "point" out by saying something, but you empower him by replying. You give him a platform to continue. He may be able to create the illusion that he's won something here by having a comment left unchallenged but in the real world he lost a while ago. Never forget that.

And for the record, I have witnessed with my own eyes his feverish but failed attempts to bait people into replying. After a few tries stopped, with far fewer comments / opportunities to vomit out his bullshit, and the thread was better for it. I forget the thread or the topic and don't care enough to look but it has happened.

But like I said, whatever. This isn't my space to tell anyone what to do. Carry on.
Posted by blip on August 7, 2013 at 3:17 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 47
@41 and 44,

Just tell him to fuck off. Done and done.
Posted by keshmeshi on August 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 48
@ 47, that should have been Disraeli's response to Gladstone.
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM · Report this
mr. herriman 49
thank you for posting the story about erin macgregor. a lot of people who knew and loved her have been waiting a very long time for an answer. i know this doesn't answer everything, they still don't know how she died or why, but at least her family won't have to wait for the phone call any more.

sending huge hugs and wishes for peace to her family and friends.
Posted by mr. herriman on August 8, 2013 at 1:50 AM · Report this

First, comparing homosexuality to ethnic physical traits is, as always, flawed on its face.

Second, even if it weren't I know of nothing suggesting that people of African origin suffered mental illness as a consequence of discrimination. For that matter, if it were true your socialist paradise of southern Europe is rife with overt racism, so you should be able to shore your argument there. But you know, you can't since data doesn't support your contention.

As to homosexuality as naturally occurring I already noted this isn't compelling or indicative of homosexuality as benign. Heart disease, cancer, and many mental disorders are innate. But here's the thing- we don't ask people to celebrate a cancer diagnosis or triple bypass.

There is a possibility the PC police vigorously stifling dissent on homosexuality make impossible to study.

Homosexuality as a mental disorder has as symptoms conditions like an unhealthy attraction to the same sex, inability to resist risky sexual behavior with the attendant STDs, and various anxiety or depression problems.

But that would require unbiased examination of facts. And that is something liberals generally and 'gays are privileged citizens' lobbyists can't do since it bring down their whole worldview.
Posted by Seattleblues on August 8, 2013 at 9:21 AM · Report this

Low hanging fruit works, and seems to be about all you can handle. But if you hold up an orange and claim it came off yonder apple tree be prepared for others to call BS.

PS- You're confused. Probably a flashback to the mens room stall at your local gay bar while you were taking on whoever stepped in... Gross.
Posted by Seattleblues on August 8, 2013 at 9:28 AM · Report this

Actually I owe Pridge an apology. Pity for your unhealthy appetites and the attendant problems is what you're owed as a fellow human being. Sorry for the snarky comment
Posted by Seattleblues on August 8, 2013 at 9:41 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 53
@ 50, why do you think African Americans used to try to be white? If it wasn't the neurotic effects of being told en masse that they were worthless, then what caused it? (Neurotic self loathing caused by discrimination isn't a "mental illness" btw.)

Is homosexuality a mental illness? Since no science demonstrates that, upon what do you base that conclusion?

Is homosexuality harmful? No unbiased study has concluded the answer is yes. The effects you cite aren't caused by being gay. If they did, all gay people would suffer. As it is, they are caused only by unsafe practices which all straights are also subject to risk. (BTW, the low instance of STD's among lesbians balances out the higher rate that afflicts gay men, to the point that when viewed as a whole, gay people don't have a higher STD rate than straights.)

When people are born a certain way, those trait are all competable. Thus being gay is comparable to being any race. But in America, it's most comperable to being black, because if the unique nature of our rights and how certain Americans gave been denied them by ignorant members if the majority.

Unbiased facts are only derived via the scientific method, and they all support my position and not yours.
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 8, 2013 at 10:19 AM · Report this
ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ 54
@50: I'm going to ignore your (erroneous) assumption that homosexuality is deleterious/maladaptive/unhealthy and instead beat you over the head with your even MORE boneheaded argument that, assuming that homosexuality is unhealthy, we need to discourage it.
Being physically disabled is by definition unhealthy; people with physical disabilities cannot, depending on the nature of the injury or malformation, move about, manipulate objects, and/or sense their environment nearly as well as the population at large can. Some such disabilities (such as congenital heart defects) can lead to a shortened lifespan, some (such as paralysis) can leave their victims dependent on the care of others, and some (such as a missing finger) are relatively benign. Some can be easily remedied (such as the use of prosthetics for amputees), and some are devilishly hard to treat (blind or deaf people who have had their sight or hearing restored often find themselves tortured by the wash of sensation).
According to you, we should take pains to denounce any validation of the disabled lifestyle, avoid giving the disabled any special treatment, and make it clear that able-bodied people are better than the disabled. If the disabled agenda starts whining about how it's not fair, well, that's their problem for trying to force 95% of the population to go along with the disabled agenda.
But we don't do that. We give disabled people preferential treatment on public transit, fund the development of better prosthetic limbs and sensory implants, mandate that businesses have signs in Braille and ramps or elevators as alternatives to stairs, and generally go out of our way to allow them to live normal and happy lives. We don't worry about people deciding to become disabled, since nobody chooses that. We don't worry about the disabled taking over our country with their PC mumbo-jumbo, even though nearly any middle-school textbook with a picture of students on the cover will inevitably depict a student in a wheelchair.

So what gives, Seattleblues? Why do you feel we need to hate on homosexuals but not disabled people? Any answer?
Posted by ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ on August 8, 2013 at 2:26 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 55
@ 54, nice, but it took SB almost an entire day to think up something to answer my post @ 27, and he has no intention of returning here to be stymied further. He's even avoiding all of Slog so as not to give in to the temptation of visiting this page.
Posted by Matt from Denver on August 8, 2013 at 3:09 PM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 56
Many years ago I used to silently inhabit a Usenet forum to discuss Scientology. One character there was a woman, pretty high up in Scientology, and obviously tasked with trolling the discussion group to defend Scientology.

She was immune to facts, repeated references to studies and case reports, and the huge mountain of evidence damning Scientology.

But people persisted in calling her out, and people persisted in showing the dark side of Scientology.

Then something magical happened- she turned! It was stunning, and it made the news. An odd case where something happening on the internet intersected with real life (and thus also proved that she was a real person, it wasn't faked in any way). She flipped completely, realized what a tool she'd been, and stayed on as a participant in the Usenet group, on the side of the anti-Scientologists.

Someday maybe sb will flip. Whatever Eureka moment he may have, it may be helped by the constant repetition here on Slog. That is why I don't think he should be given a pass to post his ignorant bullshit without countering it with facts, with reality, and with truth.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on August 8, 2013 at 6:36 PM · Report this

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