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Wednesday, May 15, 2013

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Posted by on Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:00 AM

Sometimes—not every time, mind you, but sometimes—the best way to demonstrate how a piece of art is sexist is by employing an equal amount of sexism in the other direction. The story of Bro-sie the Riveter is an example of a time when that tactic worked perfectly.

 

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Pridge Wessea 1
I approve. Awesome the CEO got on board too.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on May 15, 2013 at 8:32 AM · Report this
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It is good to see change being brought about. Now, umm.... any chance I could get a poster of Brosie? My interest is purely academic, of course.
Posted by TechBear on May 15, 2013 at 8:45 AM · Report this
3
I think a little bush should have been peeking out the top, or a little scrote pinched between the thigh and hammock.
Posted by give me pom on May 15, 2013 at 8:48 AM · Report this
4
Not really equal images. It is at least theoretically possible for Brosie to do whatever it is he's doing with that wrench without injuring himself. The woman with the cutting torch, however, can't possible use it as depicted without painful burns.
Posted by actualbluecollarworker on May 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM · Report this
MacCrocodile 5
@4 - Nah, she's got goggles. She'll be fine.
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on May 15, 2013 at 9:12 AM · Report this
ScrawnyKayaker 6
Sweet story. "Ruby Underboob" is a hilarious name. Hat tip to K2, since I assume that's not the character's real handle.

One complaint: you don't use a wrench on rivets. Brosie should have a big hammer.
Posted by ScrawnyKayaker on May 15, 2013 at 9:28 AM · Report this
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@4 Good point. Bro-sie should have been straddling a jackhammer.
Posted by UNPAID COMMENTER on May 15, 2013 at 9:31 AM · Report this
SchmuckyTheCat 8
I'm insensitive. Both images are sexy. Neither is sexist, but yeah, totally complementary to each other.
Posted by SchmuckyTheCat on May 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 9
I agree with 8. Sexy doesn't equate to sexist.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 15, 2013 at 10:13 AM · Report this
biffp 10
That CEO reaction is what every company needs. The best executives can self-analyze and keep it real, but 99 times out of a 100 I don't expect that outcome. Maybe she had a belief it might work or she has the big girl panties I'm missing. Inspiring story.
Posted by biffp on May 15, 2013 at 11:23 AM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 11
Women/girls/females always do this stuff thinking, yeah, this will piss guys off.

Big secret is...100% of guys wish that femmes would be more open and explicit about exactly what they want sexually and also to be aggressive in displaying and acquiring it.

That Carly Rae Jepsen. She gives a guy her number and pleads "call me, perhaps". (Ignore the stupid video for a second). We need more of that.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on May 15, 2013 at 11:46 AM · Report this
keshmeshi 12
@9,

It is sexist when it's almost exclusively women who are depicted that way. The message is: women are meat, men are people. What about that isn't sexist?
Posted by keshmeshi on May 15, 2013 at 12:00 PM · Report this
MacCrocodile 13
@8, 9 - If you read the accompanying story, the one with the woman was originally up on its own until a woman working there, her complaints unheeded, enlisted the help of an artist to make up the male version to put next to it.

The sexism lies in the culture that sees no problem with putting up the scantily clad woman while never considering sexualizing men in the same way.
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on May 15, 2013 at 12:03 PM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 14
I see images of sexualized men all the time. There are magazines, videos, websites, Facebook pages, etc. dedicated to the male form.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 15, 2013 at 12:22 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 15
@14,

Not in video games or comic books, which was the entire point of the prank and of that site, the Hawkeye Initiative. Do try to keep up.
Posted by keshmeshi on May 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 16
What comic books have you been reading? Male super heros are universally in super skin tight suits with bulging muscles, and crotches. They are often shown shirtless. Video game men are also portrayed this way. Comic book men were my wank off material when I was a young teen.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 17
An example from a Batman spinoff, Nightwing.

http://acomicbookblog.com/wp-content/upl…
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 15, 2013 at 12:57 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 18
@16,

Check out the Hawkeye Initiative for more information. Skintight suits notwithstanding, there is a huge difference in the way female and male superheroes are portrayed.

And, again, do try to keep up. We're talking about a sexualized portrayal of a woman in a corporate office, where no sexualized portrayals of men were present, because that's how gamers roll -- until they're pranked.
Posted by keshmeshi on May 15, 2013 at 1:07 PM · Report this
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 15, 2013 at 1:30 PM · Report this
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 15, 2013 at 1:35 PM · Report this
Zebes 21
On the difference between sexy females in comic books and sexy males:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4t27h…

tl;dr: bulging muscular men in tight suits are a male power fantasy, not objectified for female gratification
Posted by Zebes http://www.badrap.org/rescue/index.html on May 15, 2013 at 2:30 PM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 22
21, I find the male comic book pictures very hot and sexy.

http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/…
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 15, 2013 at 2:47 PM · Report this
TVDinner 23
Thanks for the mansplanation, Rob. I so appreciate getting put right on what's sexist or not. My uterus often travels to my skull and clouds my mental judgment on these things, and I find it so helpful to have a man around to explain it.
Posted by TVDinner http:// on May 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 24
23, Now that is sexist.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 15, 2013 at 3:20 PM · Report this
Backyard Bombardier 25
@17, 19. 20.22:

So, you've noticed homoeroticism in comic book art. Congratulations. Do you not see that this is qualitatively different from the sexist objectification of women in comic book art?

As @21 notes, sexualized men are most often portrayed as virile and powerful. The women are not. And for the most part, the imagery of both men and women is designed to appeal sexually to men - either gay or straight.

I am not a woman, but most women I know would not look at the examples you provided as exemplary of what they find sexually attractive in a man.
Posted by Backyard Bombardier on May 15, 2013 at 3:54 PM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 26
25, except the woman character in 21's strip is explaining (womanpslaining?) what she personnaly finds attractive in a male. Sexism would be to say that all women find that type attractive. She also doesn't say her picture is how woman are portrayed.

I find musclely shirtless men hot, and want to have sex with them. I think that comic book drawings of super heros to be very sexy.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 15, 2013 at 4:12 PM · Report this
Backyard Bombardier 27
@26: I am happy for you that our culture provides ample opportunities to see men that you find hot and want to have sex with.

I am equally lucky. I find this woman hot and I want to have sex with her:

http://www.darkknightnews.com/wp-content…

As a straight man, I can see images like that all day. I didn't even have to Google "sexy catwoman" to find that one - just the character name alone brings up plenty of wank-fodder for any red-blooded man.

And then I try to imagine walking through life in a culture saturated with images like that of my own gender. Where that was the pop cultural default for men. Where I felt every day that I was being measured against that sexual ideal.

It isn't a comfortable feeling.
Posted by Backyard Bombardier on May 15, 2013 at 4:23 PM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 28
27, So you're as muscled as a comic book super hero, tall broad shouldered, and amazingly handsome?

I see images of hot, flat bellied, big muscled guys everyday.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 15, 2013 at 4:31 PM · Report this
SchmuckyTheCat 29
Huh. I see men in advertising all day long that I, another guy, couldn't live up to. And they are designed to look and be desirable by women. That's not sexism. It might be objectification but that doesn't bug me either.

in the situation, clearly the male image needed to be made. They are both great. They complement each other. But the female image wasn't degrading or objectification or harassing. It was pinup style art for the product they were working on.

Sexism is the fact of the writer being the lone woman on am engineering team.
Posted by SchmuckyTheCat on May 15, 2013 at 4:40 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 30
Rob, you can be stubborn. Hint: when several different people tell you the same thing, then that thing's chances of being true are 100%.
Posted by Matt from Denver on May 16, 2013 at 4:33 AM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 31
30, Several people have told me that at the end of the Tin Man scene in The Wizard of Oz, the motion in the background was one of the Munchkin actors hanging himself from one of the fake trees.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 16, 2013 at 5:17 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 32
@ 31, I doubt that.

Don't be butthurt. Be useful and learn.
Posted by Matt from Denver on May 16, 2013 at 6:55 AM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 33
Several people have also told me that the kid who played Mikey in the Life Cereal commercial died when he ate Pop Rocks, and drank a Coke.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 16, 2013 at 7:07 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 34
Several people also probably complimented you on your body. Some may have even said you're handsome.
Posted by Matt from Denver on May 16, 2013 at 7:32 AM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 35
Why thanks Matt.

Several people also have posted on Facebook, a picture of a little girl running in a race and said that she was running in the Boston Marathon to honor the murdered Sandy Hook children. They went on to say that she died in the Boston Marathon bombing.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 16, 2013 at 7:43 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 36
Ah, but none of those people "told you" any of that. None of that was personal feedback.

There's a difference.

Why do you reject the personal feedback, Rob? Does it make you feel shame?
Posted by Matt from Denver on May 16, 2013 at 7:51 AM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 37
If they didn't tell me these these things how did they convey the information to me?

A couple of people speak their feelings on the internet and that means their feelings universally applies to everyone? Their feelings systematically overrides everyone else's?

Many people have said that they feel that homosexuality is morally wrong. Does that mean I'm wrong if I don't agree with their feelings?
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on May 16, 2013 at 8:52 AM · Report this

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