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Friday, April 19, 2013

In Celebratory Press Conferences, Boston Authorities and President Obama Show Gratitude

Posted by on Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 6:45 PM

There's not much information coming out of the press conference going on in Watertown right now. Instead, officials are passing a lot of thanks around. Col. Alben says "We are so grateful to be here right now...we're exhausted, folks, but we have a victory here tonight." Alben is followed by Governor Deval Patrick, who says "there are still some questions remaining to be answered," but "we have a suspect in custody tonight."

US Attorney Carmen Ortiz warns the press: "Tonight, you're going to have many questions," but this is an ongoing and active investigation," and officials are going to have to "evaluate a tremendous amount of evidence" before they can announce their conclusions. Boston Mayor Tom Menino begins simply: "Thank you, thank you, thank you." He says that working together is "when government works the best."

Now Commissioner Davis is taking questions about what exactly happened. The press got it mostly right: A man left his house, after being inside all day, to notice that someone tampered with his boat. He saw what he thought was a body inside. He called police. The suspect engaged in gunfire with the police. The hostage team tried to negotiate with the suspect, but he was "noncommunicative." The suspect is in serious condition. "There's no report of explosives [with the suspect] at capture," Davis says. "I was not there when he was taken out of the boat."

A reporter asked about the rumors that the suspect hasn't been given his Miranda rights. Ortiz seems to imply that the rumors are true, saying this happens in federal investigations. "There is a public safety exemption in case there is an issue of national security," she says. And that's all for this press conference. Rumor has it that President Obama is about to address the nation, too, so I'll stay tuned.

UPDATE 7 PM: Here we go. President Obama says Bostonians responded with "resolve and determination" and law enforcement professionals acted with "professionalism and bravery." "They all worked as they should—as a team—and we are extremely grateful for that," President Obama says. "Obviously tonight, there are still many unanswered questions." We still don't know how young men "who grew up and studied here" can turn to such "senseless violence." We also don't know if they had assistance. "We will investigate any associations these terrorists may have had." He says the suspects "failed because we will not waver from the courage and the compassion" that "defines us as a country." He says being Americans means celebrating diversity, too. "It's important that we do this right...that's why we relentlessly gather the facts" and don't "rush to judgment," President Obama says.

President Obama lists the dead and says they were sharing "the great American experience." He also says "we've seen a tight-knit community in Texas" torn apart by an explosion, and he wants them to know that "they are not forgotten." "All in all, it's been a tough week," President Obama understates, but he assures us that we'll pull through as "one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

 

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ScienceNerd 1
Quotes are very confusing. I think you left one out.
Posted by ScienceNerd http://stanichium.tumblr.com/ on April 19, 2013 at 6:51 PM · Report this
ScienceNerd 2
Also, I am glad that is over.
Posted by ScienceNerd http://stanichium.tumblr.com/ on April 19, 2013 at 6:52 PM · Report this
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Carmen Ortiz: wasn't she the prosecutor who spearheaded the harassment of Aaron Schwartz?

It was hard for me to watch her tonight because I predict she will use this case to promote her political career. You can see that she was fairly orgasmic.

ick.

Posted by Fizgig on April 19, 2013 at 6:53 PM · Report this
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if one could access all the cam footage from cop cars and vests you could conceivably patch together a compelling season of 24 [reality version]. combine that with web/media chatter.
Posted by ry coolage on April 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM · Report this
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@3 Yeah, I think this is going to be like how we had to pretend that NYPD weren't violent, racist, scumbags after 9/11. Thank god the statute of limitations is finally up on that one.

Ortiz will probably use this to deflect all the criticism about prosecutorial overreach in the Schwartz case.
Posted by Tyler Pierce on April 19, 2013 at 7:27 PM · Report this
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notice the big news outlets attempts at social engineering; right now for instance msnbc has zero images of the scary looking older brother on their front page yet fox's front page is plastered with them.
Posted by postequality on April 19, 2013 at 7:45 PM · Report this
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The likelihood of justice is dwindling. Bring out the torture devices.

"... we plan to invoke the public safety exception to Miranda in order to question the suspect extensively..." - http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/en…

"limited and focused unwarned interrogation and allows the government to introduce the statement as direct evidence" - http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201…

"Now that the suspect is in custody, the last thing we should want is for him to remain silent." - https://www.facebook.com/USSenatorLindse…

"The least of our worries is a criminal trial which will likely be held years from now." - https://www.facebook.com/USSenatorLindse…
Posted by Phil M http://twitter.com/pmocek on April 19, 2013 at 7:46 PM · Report this
seatackled 8
Good. Let's get back to kitten pictures and letters about piss drinkers.
Posted by seatackled on April 19, 2013 at 7:48 PM · Report this
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@6 so which one is doing the social engineering, and what exactly are they trying to do?
Posted by GermanSausage on April 19, 2013 at 7:52 PM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 10
"19 year old confounds FBI, CIA, NSA, while hiding in boat and he's really really dangerous because you know 19 year olds are."
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on April 19, 2013 at 8:00 PM · Report this
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I'll bet 50 bucks he doesnt get the DP. In fact he eventually becomes a likable public figure. You can already see the narrative unfolding; the savage, brute of an older brother manipulated the poor, baby faced, everyman centrist into a state of temporary madness.
Posted by ry coolage on April 19, 2013 at 8:02 PM · Report this
fletc3her 12
@10 Is every moment just a fresh start for you?

I don't trust I'll ever know the full details of what went down over the last 24 hours, but I will give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who assumed that somebody involved in both a terrorist bombing earlier this week and the death of a police officer last night might be dangerous, no matter their age.
Posted by fletc3her on April 19, 2013 at 8:13 PM · Report this
fletc3her 13
Also, one isn't granted Miranda rights. Miranda rights are a fact of our legal system. They are stated out loud to someone under arrest so it can be positively affirmed that the suspect knew their rights when they spoke in custody. Not stating the rights is just stupid on behalf of the arresting officer since it potentially ties the hands of the prosecutor later.

But, Lindsay Graham isn't the only idiot in the government.
Posted by fletc3her on April 19, 2013 at 8:18 PM · Report this
ferret 14
@11. If Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is found guilty of all the counts against him in US Federal Court. (which has something like 90% plus conviction rate) Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be sentenced to death. The icing of Capital Murder case is the death of the University Police officer. An eight year old boy was murdered. The bombs were made to cause as much wounds as possible to bystanders, given they were packed with ball bearings and I think nails.

Back in the 1980s, the Federal Court would impose the harshest sentence that jurisdiction had to offer, (ie death penalty or no death penalty state) that was change that the Federal Court System is uniform to offer capital punishment as uniform no matter if the State like Massachusetts or Minnesota doesn't have a death penalty.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is an adult, he allegedly took part in a pre meditative bomb attack that killed three people. He is a suspect in the killing of a law enforcement officer. This is a no brainer of a death penalty case, if the allegations are true against him.
Posted by ferret http://https://twitter.com/#!/okojo on April 19, 2013 at 8:18 PM · Report this
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Perspective: 30,000 people die every year in automobile accidents on U.S. highways (down from peak of 50K/yr in 1970's). That is more than 80 deaths per day. 25 *daily* marathon-bombers wouldn't top that number.
Posted by Phil M http://twitter.com/pmocek on April 19, 2013 at 8:30 PM · Report this
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I am not a conspiracy theroist, but, nothing adds up. A resident that owns a boat that is stored in their backyard notices blood on the tarp AFTER being let off of house arrest just 40 minutes before. Said owner then pulls tarp back and notices a bloody person in said boat. NO SHOT FIRED by bloody man. However, when police show up, there is an exchange of gunfire. If I was hiding in a boat under a tarp and I had been wounded, and after going through a gunfire hours before, when that tarp was turned back, I would have shot at anything to protect myself. REMEMBER, this is a mass murderer/injurerer of women andchildren just 4 days prior. And his brother was murdered hours before. No shot fired? But, when the cops show up there is gunfire? Also reported he and his brother robbed at gunpoint a 7-11 and then that is dismissed, but they killed an MIT campus cop just sitting in his car??? I just want to see the FBI tape that shows the younger suspect leaving the bomb on the sidewalk behind a child (as reported they have). THAT HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED YET... Perhaps these individuals FREAKED OUT when they were shown on National TV, billboards, etc, and were protecting themselves, knowing that being Muslim had already framed them as guilty. Not justifying anything- just questioning what we ( America) have on these men to show that they are indeed guilty of the Boston Marathon Bombing. I need to see the proof to feel that we did indeed get the right people and that the real criminals are still not at large.
Posted by whynot question on April 19, 2013 at 8:36 PM · Report this
delirian 17
@13: By saying that they aren't reading the Miranda warning, they are really saying that they consider it a danger if the suspect knows his rights. In cases where the evidence is overwhelming, a suspect doesn't need to be Mirandized, but anything that person says can't be used against him or her. But if the police need an incriminating statement, using some BS Miranda exception to admit evidence is the equivalent of saying that the police couldn't get a conviction without an unlawfully obtained self-incriminating statement.

It appears that these terrorists have won. They have successfully infiltrated our political system to convince high ranking politicians that the fundamental rights guaranteed in our Constitution are optional.
Posted by delirian on April 19, 2013 at 8:39 PM · Report this
zivilisierter Wurm 18
@13: that's on the assumption that he will receive a criminal trial with all those messy little things like "due process," "juries" and "habeus corpus." The administration made that mistake once with civilian trials - they won't make it again. Of course, this won't stop Paul from writing tearful appologias of the administration, and *just how conflicted he feels*.
Posted by zivilisierter Wurm http://peregrinari.tumblr.com/ on April 19, 2013 at 8:40 PM · Report this
Eric Arrr 19
Fucking Carmen Ortiz. Can we get a district attorney with some integrity, please? This is too important a case for a hack like her.
Posted by Eric Arrr on April 19, 2013 at 8:53 PM · Report this
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@16: "Your I'm not a conspiracy theorist but..." went the exact same way as every "I'm not a racist but..." ever uttered.
Posted by Derf on April 19, 2013 at 9:17 PM · Report this
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"Perspective: 30,000 people die every year in automobile accidents on U.S. highways (down from peak of 50K/yr in 1970's). That is more than 80 deaths per day. 25 *daily* marathon-bombers wouldn't top that number."

That's the kind of nonsense that makes the looney left in America such a laughing stock. Comparing cars with terrorist murders. Fucking brilliant. Keep it up. Oh yeah, Bernie Sanders 2016!
Posted by Phil Blowcek on April 19, 2013 at 9:18 PM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 22
Here's what I want to know...according to almost every Tom Cruise movie, supercomputers are monitoring all electronic communication from a cavern in New Mexico and using lexical parsing and word match to pinpoint terrorist activity...so how come these guys didn't get red flagged?
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on April 19, 2013 at 9:31 PM · Report this
Dr. Z 23
@11: that's assuming he doesn't go straight to Gitmo.
Posted by Dr. Z on April 19, 2013 at 9:43 PM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 24
Not Obama's best speech. Chock full of cliches, you can tell he wrote it spontaneously after many hours without much sleep. Given the circumstances, I'm glad he devoted his energy toward catching the guy, and not so much on wowing the crowd afterward.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on April 19, 2013 at 10:33 PM · Report this
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Those who question the official story are conspiracy theorists, but that's far better than mindlessly accepting official narratives without question no matter how irrational or contradictory the official narrative might be.
Posted by revok on April 19, 2013 at 11:15 PM · Report this
Karlheinz Arschbomber 26
President Obama understates, but he assures us that we'll pull through as "one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."


What happened to "under God???"
Obama hates God! Hates America! Hates Freedom! Hates Puppies!
Posted by Karlheinz Arschbomber http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arschbombe on April 20, 2013 at 1:50 AM · Report this
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Whenever I want breaking coverage, I turn to Senior Cocksucker Paul Constant and his exclusive access to Twitter.
Posted by hdjkdahjkdka on April 20, 2013 at 4:19 AM · Report this
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I think that when we learn what the SUV driver whose car was hijacked heard/saw, we'll know a lot more about the two brothers. It is interesting that they did not kill that man, and suggests perhaps some conversation happened about killing?
Posted by Alice Dreger http://www.alicedreger.com on April 20, 2013 at 5:05 AM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 29
@17, but the "City Wide Lock Down" worked! See...there are times when a little touch of martial law works! I'd expect to see more of these in the future.

We're so fucked we don't even know it yet.

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on April 20, 2013 at 7:30 AM · Report this
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God, you guys are hilarious.
Posted by Joel_are on April 20, 2013 at 7:37 AM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 31
29.
I have found the fashion statement of the century, and would love to refer you to it.

https://www.facebook.com/BobsTinFoilHatB…

They can do custom orders to fir you personally, no matter how small or pointy you need it to be.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on April 20, 2013 at 8:53 AM · Report this
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#14: There is credible evidence that a young person's frontal lobe does not have the mature structures that someone does at the age of 25 or 26.

This WILL be a main point of his defense.

The Supreme Court in 2005 (Roper v Simmons) determined that young people will not receive the death penalty, no matter how heinous the crime, based on this brain research.

Posted by Fizgig on April 20, 2013 at 9:08 AM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 33
32,

"Roper v. Simmons, 543 U.S. 551 (2005), was a decision in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that it is unconstitutional to impose capital punishment for crimes committed while under the age of 18. The 5-4 decision overruled the Court's prior ruling upholding such sentences on offenders above or at the age of 16, in Stanford v. Kentucky, 492 U.S. 361 (1989), overturning statutes in 25 states that had the penalty set lower."

He's over 16. Roper V. Simmons will not save him
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on April 20, 2013 at 9:11 AM · Report this
raindrop 34
@27, No, he did say "under God". Thank God!

See the White House video at 6:36.
Posted by raindrop on April 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM · Report this
raindrop 35
Oops, I meant @26. But Karlheinz was referring to Paul Contant's intentional misquoting in his last paragraph.

Shame on you Paul. If you don't like the last line of the national anthem that's your prerogative and you can write your representatives to have it changed back, as "under God" was added in the early 1950's. But don't misquote your beloved president, that's childish and after all, isn't your credibility important to your readers no matter what your dispositions are?

Posted by raindrop on April 20, 2013 at 9:48 AM · Report this
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@US Attorney Carmen Ortiz ....

Yes, Ortiz, we do have many questions, beginning with who would put you in charge of an outhouse, for chrissakes?

Carment Ortiz, who helped to screw up the Irangate, Iran-Contra for the Reagan Administration:

(From her wiki entry: )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_Orti…

From 1981 to 1983, Ortiz was an attorney with the United States Department of Justice Criminal Division.

Her various other cases,

In 2011, Ortiz's office was responsible for the prosecution in GlaxoSmithKline general counsel Lauren Stevens. Ultimately, the court dismissed the case, ruling that "it would be a miscarriage of justice to permit this case to go to the jury.

http://thebell.us/2013/03/whitey-bulger-…

US Attorney Carmen Ortiz has the duty – one she has during her three and a half years in office shown no inclination to shoulder – to convince the public Bulger’s prosecution is not just another chapter in thirty years of Justice Department cover ups of its own criminal activities.

Instead, she has defended the indefensible, as she did shielding the Justice Department against damages claims by Bulger’s victims.

And, of course, it was Federal Prosecuting Attorney Carmen Ortiz who helped drive Aaron Swartz to suicide!

Speaking of questions........

http://www.dotnews.com/2013/suspicious-f…

And ....

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-boston-…

More...
Posted by sgt_doom on April 20, 2013 at 10:24 AM · Report this
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hello, there are exceptions to miranda, they are well settled, they apply not just to intl terrorist cases but to any case; like if the cops suspect the guy they just caught has a kidnapped kid hidden somewhere...hello, they can ask the guy where is the kid before stopping to mirandize the suspect. there are other exceptions too. while we should be concerned about rights, this is not a case where the info available indicates any lessening of the rights we have. so this is unlike the torture issue where basically all of us almost have decided to give obama a pass on NOT PROSECUTING KNOWN TORTURERS thus making our government more like that of rios mont and other monsters.

@16 you are the defense lawyers' dream juror......they only need one.....

expect a deal in which the kid gets life in exchange for fingering accomplices and telling all.
Posted by there are exceptions... on April 20, 2013 at 10:26 AM · Report this
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I bet this kid's got one hell of a set of extenuating circumstances.

I bet he's also got quite a bit of useful information the prosecutors want to hear.

I can't wait to hear what he's going to say.
Posted by six shooter on April 20, 2013 at 10:30 AM · Report this
Backyard Bombardier 39
@35: The last line of your national anthem is "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?," is it not? Obama was quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
Posted by Backyard Bombardier on April 20, 2013 at 11:31 AM · Report this
raindrop 40
@39: Thank you
Posted by raindrop on April 20, 2013 at 11:33 AM · Report this
ferret 41
@32

I don't disagree with you that research shows Juveniles have lack certain reasoning skills that adult possess, and it tied to brain development.

However, given the criminal charges that are going to be filed against him, the notoriety/infamy of the crime, the constant use of deadly force, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be executed if he is convicted of all counts in a Federal Criminal Court Trial.

His defense may used some last ditch defenses, as he was brainwashed by his brother, he was a gullible accomplice, he wasn't connected to specific crime scenes etc. etc. However, the crimes are so wide range, and what will sealed it, will be the premeditation part of the crimes.

Even if the evidence about the bombing was hypothetically thrown out of court, Dzhokhar allegedly committed an armed robbery and which he was fleeing when he was at the scene of the murder of a law enforcement officer. That is an automatic Capital Case right there.

He is not a juvenile, he is by all legal definitions an adult, there are little to no legal qualms to sentenced him to death.

Much of the reason for sentencing him to death if he is convicted of the alleged crimes, will be intent of the crimes. He and his brother allegedly made bombs to cause as much maiming and death as possible, they placed them in crowded areas. There is not going to be much sympathy for him, if there is overwhelming evidence that he did these crimes. (They are still very serious allegations in my book at this moment, even though there is prima facie evidence to show a how he is connected to these crimes)
Posted by ferret http://https://twitter.com/#!/okojo on April 20, 2013 at 11:56 AM · Report this
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@13 But, Lindsay Graham isn't the only idiot in the government.

Indeed, when it comes to due process and people suspected of terrorism, Obama agrees with Graham 100%.
Posted by LJM on April 20, 2013 at 12:00 PM · Report this
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@24, how much energy do you think Obama "devoted toward catching the guy?"
Posted by LJM on April 20, 2013 at 12:02 PM · Report this
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@41 - Life in prison. I'll bet you the beer Eric Arrr owes me.
Posted by six shooter on April 20, 2013 at 1:35 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 45
@ 41, if Terry Nichols can be tried twice, and get only life when death was sought each time, it can happen to this kid, too.
Posted by Matt from Denver on April 20, 2013 at 3:13 PM · Report this
ferret 46
@45

Terry Nichols helped mixed the high octane fuel and fertilizer to put the bomb together, as much as he was culpable, he was found guilty of many counts of second degree murder if i remember correctly. If Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is found guilty of all the counts that will be filed against him. it is most likely he will get the death penalty. He placed the bomb in the crowded area, knowing it was going to go off. Dzhokhar is in different position in the eyes of the law than Terry Nichols.
Posted by ferret http://https://twitter.com/#!/okojo on April 20, 2013 at 4:08 PM · Report this
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@10 One of the most misguided web comments I've ever read.

@12 Thank you for stepping in and talking him to school.

@13 Yeah, I've always thought if a criminal was too stupid to know about their Miranda rights without being reminded, they deserve the harshest punishment. Have they NEVER watched a cop show in their lives?? Every eight year old knows.......you confess to breaking the lamp by playing football in the house, you sure as hell are going to get punished.
Posted by TheOtherWoman on April 22, 2013 at 4:22 PM · Report this

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