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Tuesday, April 2, 2013

Finally, Seahawks Say They "Don't Agree" With Player's Anti-Gay Comments and Would Welcome an Openly Gay Player

Posted by on Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Update at 7:25 p.m.: After a day dodging questions, plus hearing an outcry from fans, the Seahawks are finally distancing themselves from a player's anti-gay remarks and saying an openly gay player is welcome on their team. See below for details.

Original post begins at 12:45 p.m.: It's been a week since Seattle Seahawks defensive end Chris Clemons blew up sports pages and gay blogs when he said a gay player coming out of the closet would be a "selfish act" that will "divide the team." His point was clear: The gay player rumored to be coming out soon should stay in the closet. Seattle Seahawks management has been silent. I called and e-mailed their communications office about a dozen times to ask if the team believes it would be a selfish, divisive act for a player to come out. Do they think gay people ought to stay in the closet? Or just gay football players?

I finally heard back this morning.

"We're not going to comment," said Seahawks spokeswoman Suzanne Lavender. "You know, it's just his personal view."

The Seahawks are dodging the issue—the opposite of what the San Francisco 49ers did when they encountered a similar problem in January. When Chris Culliver, a cornerback on the 49ers, said gay players weren't welcome on the team, the 49ers management came out the next day with a full-throated denouncement: "The San Francisco 49ers reject the comments that were made yesterday," they said in a statement released in January. "There is no place for discrimination within our organization at any level. We have and always will proudly support the LGBT community.”

Why won't the Seattle Seahawks take a position on Chris Clemons's anti-gay comments?

"We haven't gotten that many fan comments so we are not going to make public comment," Lavender explained. But she refused to provide a phone number or an e-mail for the fans to comment. So apparently this is how it works: The team gauges whether it needs to make a statement based on how many fans comment, but—pysch—there's no way for fans to comment.

Got it.

The team—and its fans—wouldn't stand for a Seattle Seahawk saying that a black, Asian, Jewish, Native American, or Mormon player would "divide the team." If Clemons can make this argument about his NFL team, with the implicit support of the Seahawks, then high school and college players can make the same argument about their team. Players at the UW could say Huskies need to stay in the closet or students at Garfield High School could say Bulldogs need to stay in the closet.

Just like the 49ers, the Seattle Seahawks play ball in a very gay-friendly town—a gay friendly town that voted to provide public financing for their $430 million stadium (and a chunk of that money is coming from gay taxpayers)—so why can't the team's spokespeople muster the courage to denounce Clemons' bigoted statement? Or, at the very least, publicly disagree with Clemons? Right now we have one statement from the Seahawks about openly gay players: "Not welcome in Seattle."

That's unacceptable.

I know, some fans will downplay Clemons' comments, they'll say it's not the team's problem, they'll say that in football the rules of HR are sent to the sidelines and players need to shut their yaps. Sorry, haters. Gay people deserve the same rights to be honest about their relationships as straight people, no matter their profession. Gay people in football or any other job shouldn't have to live in silence and fear. Clemons was trying to bully a player from coming out. Again, unacceptable.

And the Seattle Seahawks are being complicit by being silent.

So long as the Seahawks let Clemons's anti-gay comments stand unchallenged, the team is condoning his bullying and giving its implicit blessing to treating gay people as second class workers. But they don't have to. The NFL recently recognized players—the former NFL commissioner gave an actual award—to players who have come out in favor of LGBT rights. NFL star Chris Kluwe has been aggressively supportive of gay rights, and in this guest piece on CNN yesterday he called bullshit on the idea that gay players create a distraction.

The Seattle Seahawks represents our city—and Clemons is representing their position. We shouldn't stand for this bigotry. But before the Seahawks will speak out against anti-gay comments from one our players, according to Lavender, they need to hear from us. Since they wouldn't give me a number, you can call them on the same communication office phone lines I called them on. (Again, those numbers here.) You can also tweet at the Seawhawks here.

Be polite, be firm, and ask them to stand up for LGBT civil rights and LGBT players.

UPDATE at 1:35 PM: No big surprise, but the Seahawks apparently took down the contact page for their communications staff (it's not loading any more). But I took a screen shot of it ahead of time—because I figured they'd do this. So here it is: [Update at 7:25 p.m.: Now that the Seahawks have answered, I've pulled down their contact info.]

UPDATE at 2 PM: The Seahawks head coach Pete Carrol announced, coincidentally before I posted all this, that he's taking questions on Twitter. Many praises to Carlos d'Avis, who pointed out this tweet:



You heard the man—fire up your Twitter and send questions to Pete Carroll.

UPDATE at 5:47 PM: Lavender just called to express her disappointment in this post, saying it mischaracterized their position, but she couldn't articulate the problem with it. I pointed out that the Seahawks have never disapproved of anything Clemons said or staked out a different position. "Wow. Bless your heart," she repeated four times. So I asked again if the team had a different position from Clemons—does the Seahawks management want any gay players on the team to remain closeted?—and she agreed to e-mail me a statement. I hoped the statement would make Seahawks management's position clear. It does not:

The Seahawks organization is guided by overall principles of acceptance and understanding that help us create a culture of respect, equality and inclusiveness both on and off the field. It is our goal to use these core principles and our commitment to passion, character and excellence to empower change within our community. We, as an organization and as individuals, represent and respect a wide range of human differences, personal experiences and cultural backgrounds. We have already begun to follow-up with every fan that contacted us earlier today.

The Seahawks are still avoiding the issue.

They're saying, essentially, that the Seahawks respect everyone and people can disagree. I can't imagine the Seahawks would say the same if a player said something anti-Semitic or racist. But since it's gay people and players we're talking about, the best the Seahawks can do is a mealy-mouthed statement that doesn't answer the obvious questions. Here they are again:

1. Do the team's coaches, managers, and owners want any gay players who might be on the Seahawks to remain closeted?

2. Would the team's coaches, managers, and owners regard a gay player's coming out as a "selfish act"?

3. Would the team's coaches, managers, and owners think a gay player's coming out as "divisive"?

Basically, all of the questions boil down to this: Does the team agree with Clemons or not?

We're still waiting for some clarity from Ms. Lavender on that. Bless her heart.

UPDATE at 7:25 p.m.: Ms. Lavender replied to my questions (the third time I've asked), saying that "we don’t agree with what he said." When I asked by e-mail again if they would welcome an openly gay player on the team, she said unequivocally, "Yes."

Good job, Seahawks!

 

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lark 1
Um, wait. The Seahawks have a spokesperson named Lavender?! And, she is addressing this story?!

Umm?
Posted by lark on April 2, 2013 at 12:48 PM · Report this
lark 2
Interesting too that both players are named Chris and have the same initals. Wild.
Posted by lark on April 2, 2013 at 12:50 PM · Report this
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They have a "Fan Feedback Form" on their website that you can fill out in their "Contact Us" section:

http://fanfeedback.seahawks.com/seahawks…
Posted by JonnyH on April 2, 2013 at 12:56 PM · Report this
gttrgst 4
Consider them tweeted. Does this call for a new #hashtag?
Posted by gttrgst on April 2, 2013 at 12:56 PM · Report this
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You know, I'm not comfortable with labeling any and all comments that aren't 100% supportive as "anti-gay".

His last tweet said, "[The player coming out] will immediately separate a lockerroom and divide a team". That's not a comment on sexuality, it's a factual statement. And on a football team with some more conservative players, it's quite likely to be a true statement.

The tweet before that called coming out "a selfish act. They just trying to make themselves bigger than the team." But if the act of coming out were to cause problems with some other players and affect the team's performance, then one might very well call coming out in that context selfish. It's certainly putting the gay agenda over the team's agenda.

Look, I have no idea if this player's a homophobe or not. Maybe there's some other context I'm missing. Maybe he really is trying to send a message that openly gay players aren't welcome. But there's at least a decent chance that he's only worried about someone coming out distracting from what all of the players are supposedly there to do.

In an ideal world, that concern would be groundless. It may yet turn out to be so. But it ain't an ideal world and there's a chance he's right for reasons that have nothing to do with his own personal views.

It's disturbing how quick supposedly responsible people on our side are to jump to conclusions and start labeling people right off the bat.
Posted by Corydon on April 2, 2013 at 12:59 PM · Report this
Banned on The Seattle Times 6
Fuck the Hawk management. I had to sue them to prove I was right...
Posted by Banned on The Seattle Times on April 2, 2013 at 12:59 PM · Report this
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Sean Kinney 8
Of course they should stand up for LGBT civil rights and gay players.

Of course they won't.

The NFL is like the Air Force, professional golf, and the Republican Party: an arm of a strange and particularly virulent strain of Christianity.
Posted by Sean Kinney http:// on April 2, 2013 at 1:04 PM · Report this
Hernandez 9
@5 There's no question that a player coming out will be made into the big, political deal by the national media. Whether that player wants to make a big deal out of it or not, that will inevitably be the case. But that's society's fault, not the player's.

Lombardi's decision to sign black players and treat them fairly with the white players was pretty unpopular - you might say "divisive" - but that didn't stop the Packers from winning championships, did it?

Should Jackie Robinson have stayed out of Major League Baseball? Was he being "selfish" to bring that kind of attention to the Dodgers?

Teams have a choice whether or not they LET things become distractions. A well managed, well coached team will find a way to move past it.
Posted by Hernandez http://hernandezlist.blogspot.com on April 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM · Report this
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This article is crap. He never made any anti-gay comments. He said it would be selfish for the player to use their sexual preference to gain notoriety and to become bigger than the team. It is a team sport and the only person that should take attention over the team is the coach (it's his job to deflect the negative attention so the players can play). Don't get so defensive, he was standing up for what he believes in, his TEAM; just as many stand up for gay rights. I know our nation is in a battle over human rights but do not add Chris Clemons name to the opposition of Homosexual Rights.
Posted by HYDEF on April 2, 2013 at 1:10 PM · Report this
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In the same vein, I'm really getting tired of businesses being yanked back and forth on their political and cultural views which have nothing whatsoever to do with the goods and services they sell.

Is there really no neutral ground? Are we all really George W. "For Us or Against Us" Bush now? I don't really care about football personally. Nor am I the type to hit a Starbucks or a Chick-fil-a, not because I give a damn about what some corporate schmuck said about gay rights, but because I'm not a coffee drinker and don't care for fast food generally.

Social conservatives are now making an argument that they are victims of the gay rights movement because any businesses they run are pressured to approve same-sex marriage. That's a bullshit argument too: if I go to a flower shop, it's because I'm buying flowers, not seeking the owner's approval for however I choose to lead my life.

But now that we're forcing businesses and teams to line and talk about just how gay friendly they are, it's playing right into the social con victimology.

How about this: if I want to get married, I'll go to the government for the license and my friends and family for my celebration and approval (and gifts...don't forget gifts). I'll do just fine without the insincere approval of the likes of the Seahawks and the players on the team.
Posted by Corydon on April 2, 2013 at 1:11 PM · Report this
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@Seahawks #ChrisClemons #homophobic comments need to be called out by #Seahawks. #NoExcuses!
Posted by Erok on April 2, 2013 at 1:15 PM · Report this
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@9 All of which may well be true.

My point is that Clemons is right that it could cause a problem on some teams. Yeah sure, that's ultimately a management and leadership issue that should be handled appropriately. But maybe it won't be, in which case, Clemons is right, it could affect the team, and would be putting the player's interests (and ours) over his ostensible reason for being there.

And ultimately my main point is that Clemons isn't necessarily a homophobe for pointing that out. And that we shouldn't be accusing people unless we're sure of ourselves.
Posted by Corydon on April 2, 2013 at 1:17 PM · Report this
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You can also reach them via their facebook page. Here's what I just sent them:

What are you planning to do about it, when enough people find out that you refused to denounce the homophobic bigotry spouted in public by one of your employees, who cannot be seen as doing anything other than representing your team?

This will not go away if you do not spell out clearly that you SUPPORT your gay employees, that you will NOT TOLERATE an employee expressing animosity toward your gay fans, and that you were WRONG not to do so immediately.

An apology is going to come from you. The question is whether it happens after you have been further embarrassed and shamed, or before then.
Posted by SocDoc on April 2, 2013 at 1:21 PM · Report this
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@12 please stop doing that. I avoid Twitter for a reason.
Posted by The CHZA on April 2, 2013 at 1:23 PM · Report this
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Perhaps Dan could make "Seahawk" a verb, as in "I seahawked my boyfriend last night and he looooved it."
Posted by MadGrizzly on April 2, 2013 at 1:23 PM · Report this
Reverse Polarity 17
@5, You know, you might be right that a gay player coming out might cause some tension in the locker room. Just like coming out on a military base might cause some tension. But I utterly reject your implication that the gay player should therefore remain in the closet.

Whose fault is it that there might be divisiveness if a gay player comes out? The player? No. Society in general and the homophobic atmosphere that the owners/coaches allow to dominate the locker room are responsible.

How do we resolve this? By forcing a gay player to remain in the closet? To live a lie? Just to make the Clemons' of the world feel more secure in their heterosexuality? No. The owners/coaches need to grow a spine and engage in a little leadership. They need to foster a locker room climate that encourages all players, gay and straight, to live honestly and openly and to participate fully on the team, regardless of their background. They've learned to live with diversity of race and religion. They can learn to live with diversity of orientations too. It really isn't all that hard.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on April 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM · Report this
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Corydon, the idea that a player being honest about his identity is part of the "gay agenda" to you is very telling. When a player talks about a girl he's dating or his wife, is he promoting the "straight agenda", or just being a normal human being?
Posted by gbuell on April 2, 2013 at 1:25 PM · Report this
Hernandez 19
@10 - You're adding words to what he actually tweeted in order to fit your argument. Given what was actually tweeted, I think it's far more ambiguous than that. If it's the coach's job to deflect negative attention, then I welcome Pete Carroll's statement addressing the matter and putting it to rest. Will that happen? Remains to be seen. If you play for one of the (literally) gayest cities in the country and you make ambiguous-possibly-homophobic statements in a public venue, YOU'RE the one causing a distraction.

@11 - "Social conservatives are now making an argument that they are the victims of the civil rights movement because any businesses they run are pressured to approve desegregation and equal rights. That's a bullshit argument too; if I go to a flower shop, it's because I'm buying flowers, not seeking the owner's approval of the color of my skin."
Posted by Hernandez http://hernandezlist.blogspot.com on April 2, 2013 at 1:25 PM · Report this
Chris Govella 20
The link on the Seahawksmedia.com page is broken now- what are those phone numbers?
Posted by Chris Govella http://blog.chrisgovella.net on April 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM · Report this
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The contact information links aren't working. Is there another source you can direct me to? Thanks!
Posted by InnocentBystander on April 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM · Report this
Hernandez 22
@11 What I mean to say is, equal rights advocates shouldn't base their actions on the persecution complexes of their opponents. Some things are just right - not everything is morally relative.
Posted by Hernandez http://hernandezlist.blogspot.com on April 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM · Report this
bgk 23
So the Seahawks contact page isn't loading...
Posted by bgk on April 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM · Report this
Reverse Polarity 24
Oh, and I'm far more pissed at the Seahawks management than I am at Clemons.

Clemons is simply a garden variety bigot. He probably doesn't even think he's homophobic, and has little or no understanding of the implications of his statements. And even if he is a bigot, he's entitled to his personal opinion, regardless of how much I disagree with him.

The Seahawks, on the other hand, are cowards for being silent. By remaining silent, management is implicitly endorsing Clemons' view that a gay player should just shut the fuck up and stay in the closet. That rampant homophobia in locker rooms is perfectly fine. That silence is a perfectly acceptable response in one of the most gay-friendly cities in the country.

Seahawks, management: Clemons' statement disappoints me. Your craven silence utterly disgusts me.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on April 2, 2013 at 1:35 PM · Report this
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Posted by olechka on April 2, 2013 at 1:37 PM · Report this
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Corydon, also, defending this sort of comment as "possibly true" is kinda like warning black people to stay in their place and not cause trouble back in the 50's, so as not to "cause trouble" - you could frame that as telling the truth and trying to help blacks stay safe, but it's exactly the attitude that allows discrimination and persecution to perpetuate throughout the decades.
Posted by gbuell on April 2, 2013 at 1:37 PM · Report this
Dominic Holden 27
@20, 22, & 23) I had a feeling they might take it down, so I've now updated the post with a screen shot that has the numbers for all their communications staff.
Posted by Dominic Holden on April 2, 2013 at 1:42 PM · Report this
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I went and liked both the Seattle Seahawks and Pete Carrol FB pages and added this comment anywhere I could. "I would really appreciate hearing the Seahawks management make a pro-LGBT statement to counter comments by a player." So let's get out there and let them know, Seattle peeps!
Posted by Nancy B on April 2, 2013 at 1:42 PM · Report this
gttrgst 29
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Posted by gttrgst on April 2, 2013 at 1:42 PM · Report this
gttrgst 30
Eeps, soz for the repeated info. Thanks Dominic for your and the Stranger's good work.
Posted by gttrgst on April 2, 2013 at 1:45 PM · Report this
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but it gets better...
Posted by gob22 on April 2, 2013 at 1:49 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 32
And still dozens, hell hundreds of gays and lesbians will pay major bucks to go to the Seahawks home games next season.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on April 2, 2013 at 1:50 PM · Report this
raindrop 33
Just link Dan, Dom gives the flying monkeys their orders from the castle.
Posted by raindrop on April 2, 2013 at 1:56 PM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 34
Football. A game where one guy reaches between another guy's legs and grabs a ball. And yet he worries about being called gay.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on April 2, 2013 at 1:57 PM · Report this
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Look what Clemons said was incorrect and stupid but its not the same as the SF player who did make anti-gay remarks. Clemons did say he would be fine with a gay teammate but he just thinks would be a distraction.
Posted by Seattle14 on April 2, 2013 at 2:22 PM · Report this
Per Bernstein 36


"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
Posted by Per Bernstein on April 2, 2013 at 2:23 PM · Report this
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Apparently it's too hard for Dominic to Google "Seattle Seahawks contact info":

http://www.seahawks.com/about/contact-us…
Posted by bigyaz on April 2, 2013 at 2:37 PM · Report this
seatackled 38
And still dozens, hell hundreds of gays and lesbians will pay major bucks to go to the Seahawks home games next season.

I predict kiss-ins.
Posted by seatackled on April 2, 2013 at 2:39 PM · Report this
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@11: White straight guy wants to know why everyone's getting so worked up again.
Posted by tiktok on April 2, 2013 at 2:39 PM · Report this
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You know, Clemons, who's really making this about themselves over the team, here? If someone on the 'Hawks came out, your responsibility to them as a teammate is to respect that decision and do whatever it takes to persevere as a team, not badger them back into the closet because it makes you uncomfortable. That's what being a member of a team is about; you stand by your teammates, and you kick the shit (y'know, with your words, or whatever) out of whoever's got shady nonsense to say about them.
Posted by pheeeew!crack!boom! on April 2, 2013 at 2:44 PM · Report this
raindrop 41
@39: How do you know @11 is white?
Posted by raindrop on April 2, 2013 at 2:45 PM · Report this
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You're all idiots. The guy marriage bullshit was a smokescreen to get everyone worked up and ignore what's really wrong in America. Same as in the NFL... A player coming out in the locker room is strictly for notoriety... It WILL devide the locker room the same way a player holding out or demanding a trade will... I expect this close mindedness about political correctness from San Francisco... But not Seattle. Chris Clemons isn't a bigot, you're a bigot. Think before you dedicate an entire article to bullshit. Go pick on someone your with your own sexual orientation. Quit bullying straights because they have an opinion too. Just because you were teased doesn't mean everyone that's straight teases your kind Dominic....just have to stir things up huh... Does that make you feel like a big man and not a child hiding behind an Internet article?
Posted by Seattlite11 on April 2, 2013 at 2:54 PM · Report this
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Crack boom.... Shut up. There's a difference between having a gay teammate and a teammate coming out publicly for attention... Sounds like somebody's bitter. Keep your bullshit to yourself
Posted by Seattlite11 on April 2, 2013 at 3:09 PM · Report this
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@2: And Chris Kluwe, on the Vikings?

What is going on with this weird gay Chris conspiracy?
Posted by Ben on April 2, 2013 at 3:11 PM · Report this
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Who says the guy coming out is doing to make some political point or for notoriety? Maybe the guy wants to be able to like, I don't know, go out on a date. Take his partner an event. He could do that with out making a statement, but it would have the same effect. Major sports figures get followed in the news. This way he just comes out in front of it, and then gets on with life. If shitheads don't bully him into staying in the closet so they can all go on pretending that gay people don't exist in professional sports
Posted by Zbot on April 2, 2013 at 3:21 PM · Report this
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I just tweeted on Russell Wilson's account, asking for his support for LGBT. https://twitter.com/DangeRussWilson if you all are interested...
Posted by MomiDeb on April 2, 2013 at 3:24 PM · Report this
You Look Like I Need A Drink! 47
How interesting that a BLACK player would comment that having a gay person on a football team would "divide the team." That's what was argued before blacks were finally allowed to serve in the military... He's a DISGUSTING speck of human grime...
Posted by You Look Like I Need A Drink! on April 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM · Report this
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Not cool. Comments like these divide, they don't unite.

Vince Lombardi would have shipped his *ss out of town (and, YES, Lombardi knew the existence of gay players on his teams and wouldn't have tolerated it just like he didn't tolerate racism)...
Posted by Old School Packer Owner on April 2, 2013 at 3:31 PM · Report this
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I think everyone needs to mind their own business and get on with life, and do a kind deed or action today and tomorrow... for someone.
Posted by Gray Panther on April 2, 2013 at 3:34 PM · Report this
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Frankly the Seahawks suck, for many reasons. Why anyone pays to see them is beyond me.
Posted by Sean O'Doherty on April 2, 2013 at 3:35 PM · Report this
Kinison 51
I understand where Clemons is coming from. Lots of ego's involved when it comes to sports, most of it on the field. Its kinda like having an all girl band that just released their first hit single and one of them decides to come out as bis-exual. Suddenly, all the other girls arnt taken as serious and interviews seem to want to focus on the bisexual member. So when it comes to football, when one comes out as being gay, immediately after the game, all the cameras and sports casters are going to focus on one player and its going to be a while before they talk about anything else. When we had scab refs at the start of last season, we had one that was a woman and boy was alot of time spent focusing on her.

But whatever, go attack Pete Carol over something he is powerless to do anything about. Talk to the owner or the general manager. I'm sure they are desperate to hear from non-fans who hate football and never plan on ever attending a game.
Posted by Kinison http://www.holgatehawks.com on April 2, 2013 at 3:45 PM · Report this
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Meanwhile, one of the highest-profile players for the OTHER tenant at CenturyLink is a central figure in Major League Soccer's nationwide "Don't Cross the Line" campaign, which states "We will not tolerate discrimination, bias, prejudice or harassment of any kind" and explicitly includes sexuality. I'm Sounders' Til I Die for a reason: http://www.mlssoccer.com/mlsworks/dontcr…
Posted by Juris on April 2, 2013 at 3:58 PM · Report this
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Showering with a gay teammate? Team spirit? Mr. Clemons should turn the clock back a bit to a time when blacks and whites had separate water fountains, restrooms and could not attend the same schools, let alone play for the same team. Seriously? SHAME ON YOU!!! I hope you get ousted.
Posted by Mr Ade on April 2, 2013 at 4:00 PM · Report this
McGee 54
The NFL is a diseased and corrupt operation full of reprehensible people. I have no plans to stop watching.
Posted by McGee on April 2, 2013 at 4:09 PM · Report this
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This is now being reported on Joe.My.God and Towleroad. The Seahawks had their opportunity to do the right thing without being prodded. They blew it, and now will be getting all kinds of publicity. They may want to reconsider their "no comment" idea.
Posted by SeattleKim on April 2, 2013 at 4:18 PM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 56
Twitter, wow the cowards way out. Of course no one is answering their phones at SeaHawks central. Having a bigot on the team is really bad for them.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on April 2, 2013 at 4:25 PM · Report this
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After reading everyone comments I am shocked. First the Seahawks should come out and say that a gay player would be welcome on their team. Second just because chris Clemons said that is fine by me. I dont feel the same way but I respect his right to have an opinion. That is one thing that makes America great. The moment we start restricting what people can say we lose the founding ideas this country was built on. Having the right to an opinion and speak it is what has started many movements. Rosa parks speaking up and saying,"I will not move", many gay and lesbian men and woman saying," I deserve the same rights."
Posted by Fan65 on April 2, 2013 at 4:40 PM · Report this
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"His last tweet said, "[The player coming out] will immediately separate a lockerroom and divide a team". That's not a comment on sexuality, it's a factual statement."

@5, you know this how? You play for the Seahawks? Any other NFL team? I'll wait.

No data, attribution, etc. Then it's not a fact.

"Clemons was trying to bully a player from coming out."

That is absolutely the story in a nutshell.
Posted by westello on April 2, 2013 at 4:50 PM · Report this
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Lived in Seattle a few yrs ago, got into the Seahawks, went to a few games. Now back in NorCal, kinda a glad - sounds like Paul Allen needs to get the word down to the team to act more like SF - he needs the gay buyers for all those condos in South Lake Union - at minimam. Being a decent person would be even better. I had a lover years ago who had visited DC to get it on with a Redskins Tight End - True Story!
Posted by Riveman on April 2, 2013 at 5:01 PM · Report this
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Lived in Seattle a few yrs ago, got into the Seahawks, went to a few games. Now back in NorCal, kinda glad - sounds like Paul Allen needs to get the word down to the team to act more like SF - he needs the gay buyers for all those condos and offices in South Lake Union - at minimam. Being a decent person and team would be even better. I had a lover years ago who had visited DC to get it on with a Redskins Tight End - True Story!
Posted by Riveman on April 2, 2013 at 5:08 PM · Report this
Per Bernstein 61
Not all pro athletes believe what Chris Clemons believes. I am a huge sports fan and one thing you learn about sports is that the best teams are like families. They stick up for, and support each other.

The question I have for Clemons is, if his brother or sister were gay, would he support them coming out?

I believe most of today’s professional athletes (remember most were born after 1980) would support their siblings regardless of who they choose to marry. A lot have said so.

Charles Barkley, a long-time supporter of gay marriage and gay rights, says he knows he had gay teammates and couldn't care less.

Buffalo Bills safety George Wilson said of a gay teammate, “As long as you can stay productive and get the job done, you’re still gonna remain one of the guys.”

Atlanta Falcons defensive lineman Ray Edwards said of the prospect of a gay teammate, “I’d be very open to it. ... I don’t have a problem with it at all.”

Detroit Tigers pitcher Justin Verlander said in a CNN interview: “I don’t think one of our players would be scared to come out. We got 25 guys, it’s a family, and our goal is to win a World Series. What your sexual orientation is, I don’t see how that affects the ultimate goal of our family."

“For me, it’s obvious that everyone should have the same rights and ability to play the game. It doesn’t matter race or sexual orientation."
-Henrik Lundqvist New York Rangers 2012 Vezina Trophy winner for best NHL goaltender

Michael Irvin, NFL Hall of Famer, said he would support any athlete in the NFL, NBA, NHL or MLB who comes out.

Cleveland Browns LB Scott Fujita first voiced his support for gay marriage in 2009, reacting and agreeing with fellow NFL colleague Brendon Ayanbadejo.

Donte Stallworth, New England Patriots WR, showed support on Twitter, tweeting a string of messages for marriage equality and LGBT rights

NBA All-Star Steve Nash says he’s proud to be a part of a growing group of athletes speaking out for gay marriage.

San Antonio Spurs Manu Ginobli supported the movement to legalize gay marriage in Argentina.

Michael Strahan of the NY Giants said, “I feel it's unfair to keep committed couples from being married."

Zdeno Chara, captain of the 2011 Stanley Cup Champion Boston Bruins, states that he will back an openly gay hockey player, declaring "I will always stand up for my teammates."

These pros make me glad to be an athletic supporter!
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Posted by Per Bernstein on April 2, 2013 at 5:25 PM · Report this
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I got a voicemail from one of the Seahawks people I left messages for earlier. He said they are releasing a statement.
Posted by JonnyH on April 2, 2013 at 5:49 PM · Report this
Jubilation T. Cornball 63
@62 - Yeah, me too. Their communications guy (Lane Gamble?) just called me back and left a voicemail for someone who is not me (Ryan)...he said they did have a "stance and a statement counter to what was taken out of context in a blog report." He then began to recite a statement -- a mealy-mouthed statement that was full of bromides and BS. Good times.
Posted by Jubilation T. Cornball on April 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM · Report this
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@5 - I would say it's a FACTUAL statement - it's a prediction. But there's no concrete "anti"-gay commentary from Clemons - He would remain logically consistent if he were to emotionally embrace a gay player or even come out as gay himself. The dude in SF saying that a gay player "isn't welcome" is a definitive step above whatever you think Clemons meant.
Posted by fetish on April 2, 2013 at 5:55 PM · Report this
DOUG. 65
I'm not getting Dom's level of outrage here. Why do the Seahawks need to condone or condemn a stupid comment made by one of their players? Wide receiver Mike Williams was in an "It Gets Better" video while WEARING A SEAHAWKS JERSEY. I'm pretty sure they'd be cool with having a gay player on the team. I guess it would be nice to get it in writing, but is that really necessary?
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on April 2, 2013 at 5:57 PM · Report this
McGee 66
You guys should show those Seahawks you mean business. You all should not renew your season tickets.
Posted by McGee on April 2, 2013 at 5:58 PM · Report this
seatackled 67
@65
Because the actions of individuals reflect the organization itself. That's why the CEO who slapped the black baby on that plane got fired.

What other controversies have Seahawks players been involved in in the past? Have the Seahawks also condoned these players' actions?
Posted by seatackled on April 2, 2013 at 6:02 PM · Report this
dnt trust me 68
@47

Love your phrase, "a DISGUSTING speck of human grime."
I've been so touched by the "equality" movement of late, I like to see us all as disgusting specks of human grime! Unite!
Posted by dnt trust me on April 2, 2013 at 6:06 PM · Report this
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You sad little people have nothing better to do than twist someones words to make him sound like a bigot. Chris clemons is a great football player and an even better man. He said nothing against a gay player, hypothetical or not. Grow up people. Chris cullivers statement was legitimate hate speech. And nobody says a damn thing about it. PR is an unnecessary job created by idiots like you. Thanks assholes.

Posted by Seattlite11 on April 2, 2013 at 6:07 PM · Report this
seatackled 70
@69

If you are involved with child porn or bestiality, you should just shut the hell up. I'm not saying anything against you, obviously, but that's what you should do if you are involved with child porn or bestiality.
Posted by seatackled on April 2, 2013 at 6:18 PM · Report this
DOUG. 71
@67: So Mike Williams' actions also reflect on the organization, right?

Steve Largent is a Seahawk god who, as a member of the US House of Representatives, introduced a bill banning adoption for gay and lesbian parents. Does that fact that his number is in the Ring of Honor mean that the Seahawks organization agrees with this stance? Should we be demanding its removal?
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on April 2, 2013 at 6:18 PM · Report this
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You update that you did "enjoy" opportunities to speak with the SPOX for the team who repeatedly expressed: "Well, bless your heart."

A head's up that anyone familiar with little old southern gentrified, and usually, "christian," ladies recognizes that as a euphemism for "well, christ on a goddamn popsicle stick, go fuck yourself. twice."
Posted by dave02657 on April 2, 2013 at 6:21 PM · Report this
seatackled 73
@67

Yes, I think Williams' actions did reflect the organization--or at least they didn't have a problem with it if it were an individual action. But it's a different issue. Williams' statement was one of inclusion, whereas Clemons' was one of exclusion. Unless you're one of those men's rights or white rights advocates, you probably see the difference.

As for Largent, I don't think he was a Seahawk when he was in the U.S. house. Clemons is currently actively involved with the organization. It's like if a high school student burns a cross on the football field. I would expect the school to issue a statement of condemnation. But if an alumnus or alumna of the high school burned a cross somewhere, the high school doesn't really have any responsibility--although I suppose that it might want to rethink any permanent honors it had bestowed upon the alum. I think an example of this is Galileo High School in San Francisco, which once called its football field O.J. Simpson Field.
http://fogbay.com/2008_01_10_fog-bay_arc…
Posted by seatackled on April 2, 2013 at 6:30 PM · Report this
Per Bernstein 74
Someone needs to ask Clemons why he didn't criticize Tim Tebow when he was grabbing all the headlines in 2011.

Nobody in the NFL in the last 20 years has been a bigger distraction to their team.

Why is it okay when Tebow said he hoped to use his public profile to spread God's word, but it's not okay for a gay NFL player to spread the message that everybody has a place on the team?
Posted by Per Bernstein on April 2, 2013 at 6:30 PM · Report this
seatackled 75
@71 @73

I meant @71, not @67.
Posted by seatackled on April 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM · Report this
roddy 76
The Seahawks management can live in their "team spirit" bubble, but Vulcan, their owner, has to transact in the real world. Vulcan has been a great community partner for civil rights, but the Seahawks are reinforcing a hostile work environment for their LGBT employees and (potentially) players and Vulcan shouldn't stand for it.
Posted by roddy http://www.washingtonunited.org on April 2, 2013 at 6:34 PM · Report this
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I have blown up the twitter account of the Seahawks and even reminded them that they did a video for It Gets Better about bullying. Hopefully they make a stand soon.
Posted by runMURrun on April 2, 2013 at 6:41 PM · Report this
McGee 78
Post about it if you've cancelled your season tickets in outrage! Vote with your dollars!
Posted by McGee on April 2, 2013 at 6:42 PM · Report this
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@72- God bless you...and the horse you rode in on.

Posted by Joe Biden does it too on April 2, 2013 at 6:55 PM · Report this
Geraldo Riviera 80
Any of you motherfuckers dumping your season tickets, page me.
Posted by Geraldo Riviera on April 2, 2013 at 7:12 PM · Report this
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@5 quote:
His last tweet said, "[The player coming out] will immediately separate a lockerroom and divide a team". That's not a comment on sexuality, it's a factual statement. And on a football team with some more conservative players, it's quite likely to be a true statement.

Speculation on events that have yet to happen, regardless of how likely, is not fact. All facts are true.

OK, if Clemons is speaking for himself--that he will be the divisive element in the team because he can't deal with an out gay team mate--he is stating a fact, but he said, "I'm not against anyone . . ."
Posted by vab251 on April 2, 2013 at 7:13 PM · Report this
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All of these people need to go see the new Jackie Robinson movie coming out. Could you imagine a white baseball player on the Dodgers posting a comment like Clemons did? At least when they make a movie about this in 20 years they will have the villains names and words to hang them by. Seahawks all I am saying is history and your grandchildren are watching. And to Ms. Lavender "God Bless" and hope God doesn't yell at you too much when you meet him. Gotta love the Fundamentalist Christians with their roots going back to burning crosses, yes that is how that started they thought God was on their side. The Klan is still around they just have a new name, "God Bless."
Posted by Karmapolice on April 2, 2013 at 7:16 PM · Report this
83
Every player who negotiates a contract is being "selfish."
Posted by Keey on April 2, 2013 at 7:37 PM · Report this
DOUG. 84
So in the end we learned that the Seahawks won't discriminate based upon sexual orientation. Got it.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on April 2, 2013 at 7:51 PM · Report this
raindrop 85
How many outrage points is this story? I say 1.
Posted by raindrop on April 2, 2013 at 7:57 PM · Report this
sperifera 86
Dear Ms. Lavendar,

Since you'll may be reading the comments, let me just say this here: This is a massive PR failure on your/the Seahawks part. Huge. Enormous. Ginormous. Double-Ginormous. And it didn't have to get anywhere close to this bad.

You have some fence mending to do.
Posted by sperifera on April 2, 2013 at 8:19 PM · Report this
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And what did this accomplish exactly?
All the grandstanding and haranguing?

In the end, an active player will eventually come out. It WILL be a huge distraction, it MIGHT divide parts of the locker room, and the organization will of course say that they support the decision.
And then what happens happens.

None of what happened as a result of this story will actually change a single thing.
You shamed an organization into placating you all with lip service.
Posted by JahNic on April 2, 2013 at 8:31 PM · Report this
88
Gays are worse, than Nambla when it comes to the discrimination card.
Posted by Foul Corophagliacs on April 2, 2013 at 8:34 PM · Report this
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@80 You are my hero
Posted by sea-adam on April 2, 2013 at 8:39 PM · Report this
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Big Seahawks fan here but Clemon's remarks ends that support here and now. Seattle should be ashamed of themselves. No reason for me to spend money to attend anymore Seahawks games much less spend money in or via online in Seattle. If you can't treat people with the respect and equality they deserve then you don't deserve my support or my money.
Posted by Cary Chauvet on April 2, 2013 at 9:27 PM · Report this
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PR Lady is clearly not from Seattle. Bless Your Heart is southern for - you are such an unbelievable piece of shit. But I pity you. And will pray for you.

Sigh. Funny thing is - the first good player who comes out will be wildly supported and a media superstar. An historical figure, as they say.

Posted by DawginExile on April 2, 2013 at 9:30 PM · Report this
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We have tickets to Sunday's game and have supported the Seahawks for several years now but that support ends with Clemons obvious homophobic remarks. We won't buy another set of tickets and will keep our money out of Seattle entirely. There is no excuse for Clemons bigoted statements. No excuse at all. And the fact that the Seahawks' Lavender refuses to do anything makes it even worse. Geez, these Seahawks people are sick.
Posted by Cary Chauvet on April 2, 2013 at 9:35 PM · Report this
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@ 92 Wow talk about overreacting, he said he was fine with gay people but the locker room would be divided, stupid to say yes. Bigoted? No
Posted by Seattle14 on April 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM · Report this
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Posters trying to remind Clemons of the discrimination against black athletes are forgetting that until quite recently (like last year), black churches were adamant in claiming that gay marriage and other gay issues were not civil rights issues. They claimed being gay was not only anti-God, it was a choice. Clemons may not be a member of a black church, but he's likely been influenced by that set of beliefs.
Posted by sarah70 on April 2, 2013 at 9:51 PM · Report this
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@74 "Why is it okay when Tebow said he hoped to use his public profile to spread God's word"

As I recall, Tebow got a ton of criticism for that, and it did indeed cause distractions and divide the team.
Posted by GermanSausage on April 2, 2013 at 10:01 PM · Report this
Per Bernstein 96
@94 Black churches? More likely Clemons has been influenced by the gay stereotypes from Damon Wayans' characters on "In Living Color"
Posted by Per Bernstein on April 2, 2013 at 10:02 PM · Report this
Per Bernstein 97
@95 Granted. My point is that Chris Clemons didn't think Tebow deserved to be criticized. Not all distractions are created equal I guess.
Posted by Per Bernstein on April 2, 2013 at 10:06 PM · Report this
thatsnotright 98
"Bless your heart", "bless you", 'bless her/him", said with a certain inflection is Xtian code for "fuck you."
Posted by thatsnotright on April 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM · Report this
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@97 and you know that how? People were openly mocking Tebow on the field, for crying out loud.
Posted by GermanSausage on April 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM · Report this
seatackled 100
Thanks for the persistence, Dominic. Good job!
Posted by seatackled on April 2, 2013 at 10:16 PM · Report this
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Check the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine for a cache of the information this company published and is now trying to hide: http://web.archive.org/web/20120723222131/http://www.seahawksmedia.com/staff.htm
Posted by Phil M http://twitter.com/pmocek on April 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM · Report this
TomJohnsonJr 102
What @100 said. Thanks.
Posted by TomJohnsonJr on April 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM · Report this
pdonahue 103
Minnesota vikings punter http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/01… Chris Kluwe on NFL players who are worried about gays dividing attention :"grow the fuck up".
Posted by pdonahue on April 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM · Report this
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seriously? and how selfish and divisive is it for some ignorant fool from Georgia to be opening his mouth and dismissing his employers, fans and all those in the Seattle who overpay him to play for a (admittedly poor) football team. Shut up and go to work while wearing the team uniform.
Posted by TnM on April 2, 2013 at 10:43 PM · Report this
Gern Blanston 105
I find this post distracting.
Posted by Gern Blanston on April 2, 2013 at 10:53 PM · Report this
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Dom -- there are many times I think you're an asshole and a hack. Not today. Job well done in holding the Seahawks to account today.
Posted by Punditwatch on April 2, 2013 at 11:02 PM · Report this
seatackled 107
@106

Oh, that's so sweet and classy. Good of you to take the high road and fess up. Bless your heart.
Posted by seatackled on April 2, 2013 at 11:20 PM · Report this
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Dominic--- Are they planning on releasing an Official Statement on the matter?
Posted by runMURrun on April 2, 2013 at 11:47 PM · Report this
Paul Pearson 109
Part of being a "professional" anything is concentrating on your job, being able to overcome the distractions that get in the way of doing your job.

If 54 men can't concentrate on X's and O's because someone on their team just took the brave step of saying who he is as a person, then those 54 men are not professionals. They can't do their job right, and are not mature enough to understand their responsibilities. The end.
Posted by Paul Pearson on April 3, 2013 at 1:18 AM · Report this
Paul Pearson 110
I mean 53 men, not 54. Sorry. Didn't want to make the job harder.
Posted by Paul Pearson on April 3, 2013 at 1:20 AM · Report this
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Well congratulations Dominic. You finally forced a reluctant "yes" out of her for the "unequivocal" record.
Posted by Jim Detwiler on April 3, 2013 at 4:14 AM · Report this
Per Bernstein 112
Talk about distractions! What is Chris Clemons' opinion of this?

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id…
Posted by Per Bernstein on April 3, 2013 at 4:24 AM · Report this
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I don't expect you to acknowledge this since it appears you're out to incite a reactionary mob rather than report events, but "Right now we have one statement from the Seahawks about openly gay players: "Not welcome in Seattle." was a patently false statement from the beginning.

Seahawks QB Russell Wilson said this more than two months ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0_RzRaqh…

Of course those comments aren't "controversial" enough so they aren't worth reporting I guess. And the whole "she refused to provide a phone number or an e-mail for the fans to comment" thing is also patent nonsense; the Fan Feedback form is easily accessible at seahawks.com - a form I've used a few times and have always received a prompt response: http://fanfeedback.seahawks.com/seahawks…
Posted by RewardGiant on April 3, 2013 at 5:26 AM · Report this
Kinison 114
"Finally, Seahawks Say They "Don't Agree" With Player's Anti-Gay Comments and Would Welcome an Openly Gay Player. Posted by Dominic Holden on Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:47 PM"

Wow, so the Seahawks or Clemons specifically said they would not welcome an openly gay player?
Posted by Kinison http://www.holgatehawks.com on April 3, 2013 at 6:35 AM · Report this
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Probably could have gone differently if it were another PR person who was on call yesterday. Poor PR lady. She probably never thought, bless her heart, that her duties working for an NFL team, of all things, would include her having to disavow a comment critical of openly gay people. Times are changing.
Posted by Eric from Boulder on April 3, 2013 at 6:49 AM · Report this
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Seems pretty clear that there are certain big, strong "straight" football players that are scared to death, totally intimidated and WITHOUT A DOUBT, absolutely lose their abilities to remain professional and mature in the presence of big strong "gay" football players. SO ATTENTION ALL COACHES! I SAY THOSE BIG STRONG GAY GUYS ARE MY KIND OF FOOTBALL PLAYERS!
Posted by LoboMoe on April 3, 2013 at 7:00 AM · Report this
imbecile 117
How exactly will an openly gay player "divide the locker room"? I'm pretty sure he won't go around bending over his team mates in the shower. What will divide the locker room will be homophobic players who are unsure about their own sexuality. Players just like Chris Clemons.
Posted by imbecile on April 3, 2013 at 7:03 AM · Report this
118 Comment Pulled (Threatening) Comment Policy
119
Its called freedom of speech kiddies! STFU
Posted by Simtimidator on April 3, 2013 at 8:07 AM · Report this
Kinison 120
@118 Ry coolage

Ahhh ok, so in order to combat anti-gay bullies, lets post personal information and intimidate him in a way we all personally despise. Could you possibly sink any lower?
Posted by Kinison http://www.holgatehawks.com on April 3, 2013 at 8:41 AM · Report this
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rv cooledge nice job, leaking a player address, do you think that maybe harm may come of this you stupid piece of shit. Why dont you put your address in your blog so chris can come over and kick your stupid ass or maybe yet... I will do it for him WOW ICANNOT BELIEVE HOW COLLASALLY STIPID YOU REALLY ARE, SIR YOU ARE THE PIECE OF SHIT.
Posted by SEAHAWKFAN on April 3, 2013 at 8:54 AM · Report this
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I gotta say I'm very surprised by the direction of the comments on here, and by the article in general. Its very disturbing for all these people who want equality and tollerance to spew all this vitriol towards someone and an organization over comments that weren't anti-gay. If you think they are, then you're not looking objectively and making assumptions based of predetermined thoughts and ideas. He didn't say that someone wouldn't be accepted as gay, like Culliver did.

In my opinion, he was questioning the motives of a gay player coming out. Are they doing it to further rights and equality as a pioneer?...similar to Jackie Robinson. Or are they doing it solely to shine attention and the media spotlight on themselves?? He didn't come out and say a gay player wouldn't be welcomed, or bully someone from coming out as gay in my opinion. That could of been his intent, I'm not him, I don't know...he did say he wouldn't have a problem with a player coming out as gay. Nobody seems to be focussing any intention on that comment, and I haven't heard many football players actually come out and say that specifically.

Posted by bdffootball on April 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM · Report this
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Good (if belatedly so) job, Seahawks, and good job, Dom!
Posted by Bethany Jean Clement on April 3, 2013 at 9:21 AM · Report this
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obviously not a real address dumbass
Posted by ry coolage on April 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM · Report this
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The Stranger seeks to censor anyone that has an opinion that doesn't agree with theirs. I think publications should be open to independent thought without fear of reprisal. It seems strange to me that a liberal publication like the Stranger favors censorship.
Posted by dmanjam on April 3, 2013 at 9:49 AM · Report this
kitschnsync 126
dmanjam @125, you don't understand what censorship is or how it works.

The Stranger has no power to censor Chris Clemons or the Seahawks. The only people the Stranger could possibly censor are Stranger writers, and then it is just called editing.
Posted by kitschnsync on April 3, 2013 at 10:14 AM · Report this
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This community is unbelievable. They fight alleged bullying with more bullying. Perhaps the LGBT community should do a little research into "human nature". A racial difference compared with a sexual difference in a LOCKER ROOM of all places, aren't exactly equal.
Posted by stutkah on April 3, 2013 at 10:16 AM · Report this
McGee 128
@92 Oh you have tickets to Sunday's game do you? Can you enlighten me as to who the Seahawks are playing on Sunday?

It's a good thing you guys all cancelled your season tickets otherwise you might not have gotten your sad asses kissed with lip service.
Posted by McGee on April 3, 2013 at 10:26 AM · Report this
undead ayn rand 129
"I pointed out that the Seahawks have never disapproved of anything Clemons said or staked out a different position. "Wow. Bless your heart," she repeated four times."

Reminds me of the people who say "have a blessed day" through clenched teeth, turning a religious observation and sincerely pleasant statement into "Fuck. You."

The Seahawks need a new rep.
Posted by undead ayn rand on April 3, 2013 at 10:56 AM · Report this
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I find it ironic the LGBT community chooses to fight imagined intolerance and intimidation with actual intolerance and intimidation. What a bunch of misguided hypocrites.
Posted by Disappointed One on April 3, 2013 at 11:41 AM · Report this
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This is garbage reporting - trying to poke and prod until you can find a 'problem' to exploit and gain readership for your 'paper'. There was nothing homophobic about the comments. Clem was speaking from a team perspective and was he wrong? Is there not going to be a media circus following the first gay players every move? I'll bet after said player comes out, Bravo will be salivating at the jaw line to get this guy on a reality show following his every move. It will completely overshadow any team progress and focus only on the one player. That's not what football is about.

I'm not homophobic. I live in Chicago's gay community (Halsted) and I support equal rights for all, but to jump on this as if something TRULY negative was said is utter garbage. Good luck with your future garbage articles and reports, I'll never visit this pathetic site again.
Posted by ThisSiteSucks on April 3, 2013 at 11:57 AM · Report this
undead ayn rand 132
@130: Being intolerant of racism, bigotry and hate is a good thing. There's no hypocrisy there, fly back to Stormfront, nobody's biting your bullshit.
Posted by undead ayn rand on April 3, 2013 at 12:00 PM · Report this
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This has to be the least thought out and researched article I've read all year. I hate the hawks just as much as the next guy but this is ridiculous. The author is trying to make the whole organization look not accepting of gays when other players have openly told media they wouldn't care if a player was gay or not. The Clem quote was only one part of what he said and he make perfect sense if The full interview was posted. This is awful reporting that's just here to get an angry mob to visit their site. Very very poor journalism guys, be smarter next time.
Posted by sputniksauce on April 3, 2013 at 12:04 PM · Report this
undead ayn rand 134
@131: "There was nothing homophobic about the comments. Clem was speaking from a team perspective and was he wrong?"

Yes. If teammates will stand behind football players who got arrested but not a person coming out of the closet, this shit is nasty and homophobic.

"I live in Chicago's gay community (Halsted) and I support equal rights for all, but to jump on this as if something TRULY negative was said is utter garbage. Good luck with your future garbage articles and reports, I'll never visit this pathetic site again."

Your sports life obviously comes first before actually giving a darn about those who live around you. Supporting rights should also mean that it wouldn't matter if someone came out or not, if such a thing would make you angry, you should re-examine why people find you homophobic.
Posted by undead ayn rand on April 3, 2013 at 12:08 PM · Report this
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@undead ayn rand:
YOU did.
Posted by Disappointed One on April 3, 2013 at 12:12 PM · Report this
undead ayn rand 136
@135: Calling you on your bullshit doesn't mean I think you're sincere. I know you're a coward who deserves to be treated poorly for being a hatemonger.

It's not hypocrisy, you deserve to be viewed as a bad person because of how you treat others, you weren't born to be as terrible as you turned out.
Posted by undead ayn rand on April 3, 2013 at 12:45 PM · Report this
Per Bernstein 137
@131 When Ichiro Suzuki became the first Japanese position player in the majors in 2001 it was a HUGE distraction. Dozens of foreign reporters tracking his every move, national media at every stop, biggest media circus ever.

If I remember correctly, Ichiro won MVP, Rookie of the Year and the team won 116 games--the most ever.
Posted by Per Bernstein on April 3, 2013 at 1:05 PM · Report this
Per Bernstein 138
@130 I find it ironic that Clemons said being a distraction hurts the team and then he went and became a HUGE distraction just as the Seahawks were being lauded as perhaps the favorites to win the Super Bowl next year.

Reminds me of when Terrell Owens accused Tony Romo of being a distraction by dating Jessica Simpson. Gee, I can't remember, didn't Terrell Owens turn out to be the one poisoning team unity? I forget...
Posted by Per Bernstein on April 3, 2013 at 1:11 PM · Report this
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@undead ayn rand:

Aren't you making a lot of baseless assumptions about me? And isn't that the very thing that you purport to be against? Isn't there enough REAL hatred and bigotry in the world for you, without having to read those things into the words and deeds of everybody you encounter? It's an incredibly sad world that you live in.
Posted by Disappointed One on April 3, 2013 at 1:15 PM · Report this
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I sent the Seahawks facebook page a message yesterday after reading this article. As far as I can tell, this is their official facebook site: https://www.facebook.com/Seahawks. Here is my message and the Seahawks response:

ME (Amy)-
It would be nice to have a team support the community that's supporting you.

"Seahawks Say They Are Fine With Player's Anti-Gay Comments | Slog
slog.thestranger.com
It's been a week since Seattle Seahawks defensive end Chris Clemons blew up sports pages and gay blogs when he said a gay player coming..."

SEATTLE SEAHAWKS-
Amy - We appreciate you sharing your thoughts. We disagree with statements made by Chris Clemons on twitter. His views go against our core values as an organization. The Seahawks support LGBT initiatives and take pride in being one of the first teams to participate in LGBT’s anti-bullying campaign in August 2011. http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…. The Seahawks organization is guided by overall principles of acceptance and understanding that help us create a culture of respect, equality and inclusiveness both on and off the field. It is our goal to use these core principles and our commitment to passion, character and excellence to empower change within our community. We, as an organization and as individuals, represent and respect a wide range of human differences, personal experiences and cultural backgrounds. Thank you again for reaching out to us.

"It Gets Better: Mariners, Seahawks, Sounders, Storm | Slog
slog.thestranger.com
From the press release: The four major professional sports teams in Seattle have joined together to create a video message for the "It Gets..."

Posted by PennyThickPenny on April 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM · Report this
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@140, Amy,

Wow. Someone with a lucid, reasoned response. Are You sure that you're on the right website? From the author on down, people have spouted hatred towards the Seahawks. Why? I can only assume that they hate the Seahawks, or felt attacked by Chris Clemons' comments.

When I first read his comment, I was pissed. Then I read his follow-up comments. I only read four more, but it explained his position. I wish that he'd made his comments to a reporter rather than on the 140 characters of twitter. (Personally, I feel that twitter is aptly named. It's followed by twits.)

Clemons' first comment was moronic. He later explained that he isn't homophobic, but the act of coming out in a press conference is selfish. Coming out would probably be decisive in the locker room. After all, people are afraid of the unknown. But then again, no one will know until it happens. I wouldn't of had to explain this if people had read his subsequent tweets (Go to the NFC West blog on espn.com to see them.)

I do agree with his comment about it being a selfish act. It's not a selfish act to live your life the way that you want. But it is selfish to let it slip to the media that you might have a press conference to come out. Why not just do it? Why not take your boyfriend to team headquarters, or go out on a date in a very public place? If you want to get the questions out of the way, call a local reporter and tell them that you're gay? Do it at the weekly presser. Do it in a way that calls attention to the act, and not the person. By letting it leak to the media that someone "might" come out, it's created a distraction. Then you get a media whore like Chris Kluwe commenting. All the leak did was take an act that many want to make and turn it into a media circus.

For anyone that's followed the Seahawks, we know how long it takes for them to announce anything. It took them a week to announce a signing. Whenever I hear of something that the Seahawks have done, I don't believe it until it's posted on their website. Native Americans have been ridiculed for being stupid. When in actuality, the would think through a response, in order to give the best answer. The Seahawks take this ideal to heart. If there is any team that "looks before it leaps" it's Seattle. They won't comment on anything until they've thoroughly investigated it. It's sad that too many people find a measured response to be too slow. Even in the courts, if there's a video of someone committing a crime, they're still innocent until proven guilty. I guess talking to Clemons, and finding out if he's a bigoted lunatic, or not is just too hard for the instant gratification media.

The "author" repeatedly speaks out about how the Seahawks neither condemn nor condone Clemons' comments. How they don't support gay rights. Yet he posts their statement. It says that they do support gay rights. I don't know if the "author" was so single-minded that he couldn't see that, or that he can't understand legalese. I hat legalese. I wish people would just come out and say what they mean. Unfortunately, too many people are too sensitive, so we have to couch what we say, in order to not offend. If the statement would've been monosyllabic, maybe the "author" would've been able to understand it.

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Posted by Neurocell on April 3, 2013 at 4:18 PM · Report this
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@139: "Aren't you making a lot of baseless assumptions about me? And isn't that the very thing that you purport to be against? Isn't there enough REAL hatred and bigotry in the world for you, without having to read those things into the words and deeds of everybody you encounter? It's an incredibly sad world that you live in."

All I know is what you put forth. If you disagreed with my observation or I was somehow mistaken, you had ample time to point out how I was wrong instead of confirming that you're a cowardly bigot. Loathing gays is still hate, and there's no need to tolerate it simply because you support other bigots and (I assume) not burning crosses on lawns.
Posted by undead ayn rand on April 3, 2013 at 4:22 PM · Report this
Kinison 143
You know who's selfish? Who's a distraction that divides the team? Terrell Owens, man had one of the biggest ego's in the NFL. When Tony Romo wasnt throwing him the ball, he would go to twitter and bitch bitch bitch about it, pissing off fans, pissing off team mates, fucking up any momentum the team might have had, etc, etc.

Tim Tebow was also somewhat disruptive, always talking about god, praying on the fucking field and he was never a good QB, piss poor accuracy, but he got a shitload of free press. Interviews O plenty! Sold shitload of jerseys (got a nice bonus for that too) and im sure it pissed off alot of Denver players that year by hogging all the press. Alot of people in Professional Sports as well as Acting will have massive ego's, it just goes with the territory. Being selfish and disruptive on the set can cause production to shut down for a day when a star fees upstages and walks off.

Now I know this isn't exactly the same as coming out of the closet, but its a sure bet if there are any gay players now, the other players are aware of it and most probably dont have a problem with it. Its possible that they chose to keep their sexuality from the press, just to not rock the boat because your stay in the NFL isn't going to last forever. 30 is old in this game, 40 is extremely rare. Some may focus on doing their job, kick some ass, then retire at 32 and then come out the closet, which at that point, most would not care.
Posted by Kinison http://www.holgatehawks.com on April 3, 2013 at 6:10 PM · Report this
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@undead ayn rand:

So if I understand you correctly, if I were to agree with your opinion, I wouldn't be a cross burning, gay loathing and cowardly bigot? Your myopic view of the world precludes an obvious possiblility that renders your assumptions as baseless and bigoted as those that you think you're taking a stand against. I'll leave it to you to figure out what that possibility is.

For the record, my original comment wasn't aimed at you and therefore not a disagreement with your opinion. Until you singled me out for one of your attacks, I wasn't even aware of your existence.

My criticism of the LGBT community was more an expression of my disappointment in it's choice of battles to take up as well as the tactics it employed to achieve it's ends. Imagining anti-gay comments where none exist will only diminish the ability of the LGBT community to fight anti-gay comments when and where they truly do exist.

Lastly, while "fighting fire with fire" may be a reflexive reaction, it puts you at risk of becoming the very thing that you abhor. In this particular case, using intolerance and intimidation to fight intolerance and intimidation does indeed make one a hypocrite. Me? I wouldn't be so quick to cede the high ground.
Posted by Disappointed One on April 3, 2013 at 6:40 PM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 145
Fire Chris Clemmons.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on April 3, 2013 at 7:19 PM · Report this
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I think that it is laughable that everybody is threatening to cancel their season tickets and not buy any merchandise. Do you really think that it will matter? The Hawks have one of the most loyal fan bases in the NFL and are one of the hottest teams in the league. I am pro-gay/marriage but I think the time and resources would be better spent on trying inform people that gays are not the new "boogy" man.

Having grown up on the coast of Washington and then being transferred to Florida, i can tell you that a lot people see this outrage and simply don't understand it (and before you dismiss me and some dumb hill-billy, i have a gay cousin that I am trying to convince needs to adopt a baby with his partner). I do agree that it was a dumb statement, but i don't believe that he meant more than what was said. The fact is that it will be a distraction for a time if a player does come out. However, the distraction will die down and guys will get back to the business of playing ball.

IMO he said what said because he getting towards the end of his career and just wants to win, i think he wants all of the focus to be on football and nothing else.
Posted by Khronis on April 4, 2013 at 5:08 AM · Report this
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Chris Clemons said nothing wrong!!!! He wasn't bashing the gay community at all. He even said, "I'm not against anyone but I think it's a selfish act. They just trying to make themselves bigger than the team." In fact the guy who said he was coming out is getting cut. Did Clemons say gay people should not play football? No. He wasn't anti gay...This is just slander on Clemons. I also remember a thing called the first amendment....Stop calling the political correctness police to save you. Clemons made an opinion on a PLAYER not a community. Where's the outrage when Culliver (Out of the 49ers) was actually making anti-gay comments? Bunch of hypocrites....Stop being overly offended and quit taking people's words out of context.
Posted by benwhyme on April 4, 2013 at 6:47 AM · Report this
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@144: You again miss the point. You're disliked because of how you treat other people, not how you were born.

@147: ".Stop calling the political correctness police to save you. Clemons made an opinion on a PLAYER not a community. Where's the outrage when Culliver (Out of the 49ers) was actually making anti-gay comments? Bunch of hypocrites..."

Man, bigots really are too stupid to understand what the word "hypocrite" means. (It does not mean that gays have to take abuse from bigots, people of color have to happily tolerate racism or be accused of "calling the PC police" when they call an asshole an asshole etc.)
Posted by undead ayn rand on April 4, 2013 at 8:17 AM · Report this
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@146: " I am pro-gay/marriage but I think the time and resources would be better spent on trying inform people that gays are not the new "boogy" man."

This is a case where people are promoting that idea, that coming out will not be seen as a "disruptive" act because there's nothing that a person should find distracting (as much as any straight guy's emotional life story, at least.) Players had better stop giving important life information in their interviews and quips to use in game footage if revealing that they're gay is enough to destroy a team's camaraderie.
Posted by undead ayn rand on April 4, 2013 at 8:27 AM · Report this
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@143 re: T.O. - Exactly who I was thinking about yesterday, when considering what a real distraction looks like.
Posted by Paul Pearson on April 4, 2013 at 12:21 PM · Report this
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Yep. Because NOTHING threatens the Hawks and their ticket sales/network deals more than a bunch of effete fags and rug munchers disliking them! I mean, football fans are a bastion for the movement to create favored citizen status for faggots and dykes!

I could care less what some young athlete does with young women of his acquaintance, provided he keeps his mouth shut about it like a gentleman. I could care less what some young athlete does with young men of his acquaintance on the same terms. I could care less about the opinions they hold on politics or law or so called gender equality. Clemons is an amazing football player, and that's all I expect him to be. Same goes for actors and all other celebrities mouthing off about stuff outside their area of expertise. And especially for deviant no talent trash like Savage and all his boytoy so called writers pretending to be journalists.

Go back to watching figure skating and soccer and the home decoration and fashion channels and leave real sports to real men you sick pervert Holden. Thanks. Thanks very much.
Posted by Seattleblues on April 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM · Report this
kk in seattle 152
@ the repulsive Seattleblues and Kinison: if you think the Seahawks can make money without fags and dykes in Seattle paying taxes to finance their precious, pure heterosexual locker rooms, then I have some shit Florida swamp land to sell you. (Plus, the only time I get to see the Seahawks play from a suite is when my fag lawyer invites me. So if you think fags and dykes don't buy tickets, you're also dumb asses.)
Posted by kk in seattle on April 5, 2013 at 8:18 PM · Report this
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@151: I'm glad you've revealed yourself as an insincere troll, finally.
Posted by undead ayn rand on April 5, 2013 at 8:29 PM · Report this
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Is Dominic a dentist? He should be. That was awfully like pulling teeth. Good job!
Posted by PaulBarwick on April 5, 2013 at 11:16 PM · Report this
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did @PeteCarroll ever answer the question about whether it's ok to have a gay player on the seahawks? if not, shouldn't you still be pressing this issue, dominic?
Posted by notaboomer on April 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM · Report this
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they are talking about been bully but the gay people or gay activist are the bullies.accept me accept me gay people say and accept the way i think how about if i believe a man and a woman is the right thing people said you are not right ,i have to accept the way everyone think but now i can not said what i think where are my rights. dont be pushing gay,gay,gay on everyone thoat .dont go against who create you that is a man and woman .if you are gay fine ,but to accept that you are gay and gay marriage thats another thing.my thing is to love everyone but not to love what everyones do . and one last thing, your personal sexual preferences does not have to be part of sports,SPORTS ARE SPORTS , in espn when they are talking about a player they dont said there personal preferences is about there stats thats why they have \People's magazine know when to separate the stuff.
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