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Wednesday, March 27, 2013

The City Limits and the Poverty Line

Posted by on Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:51 PM

The poverty rate is at its highest in almost two decades, and now the suburbs are home (or lack thereof) to more people below the poverty line than cities. It's not just the rural areas anymore.

"The number of suburban residents living in poverty jumped by almost 64% from 2000 to 2011, which means about 16.4 million suburban residents now struggle with low incomes," Elizabeth Kneebone, a fellow at the Brookings Institute, [said]. Her research will be published in May in a book called Confronting Suburban Poverty in America."

The Median real household income is down to $62,273, and in suburbs across the country, the impoverished are retreating from their mortgages to the tenuous refuge of places like the Ramada Inn. What happens when they can't afford the week-to-week? What happens to the moral outrage over support systems when the homeless are pitching a tent along the favorite jogging trail?

I attained this information by reading this, this, this, and this.


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Will in Seattle 1
no fair, you linked actual information, you're supposed to post it without links so people can complain about how it must be untrue!
Posted by Will in Seattle on March 27, 2013 at 3:32 PM · Report this
Fnarf 2
I think a lot of the suburban poor are the same people who used to be urban poor but got gentrified out. Also there has obviously been a tremendous growth in immigrant population around here, and those people are mostly poor and mostly suburban (a few Microsoft HB-1s aside). It's annoying, though, how imprecise the boundaries are -- if you're on one side of 145th, you're "urban", if you're on the other side you're "suburban", even though much of the housing for a hundred blocks south of there is suburban in character.

The economic catastrophe of the white middle-class suburb is a pretty remarkable thing to see. It's just beginning, too.
Posted by Fnarf on March 27, 2013 at 3:39 PM · Report this
Fnarf 3
Jesus fucking Christ, I can't get away from you.
Posted by Fnarf on March 27, 2013 at 3:42 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 4
@2 depends. The old city boundaries used to be at N 85th then were extended to N 102nd, so what was suburban frequently becomes urban. The extension of frequent transit (e.g. light rail) is changing the nature of more suburban areas as well. It's really just a taxing district, when you get down to it.
Posted by Will in Seattle on March 27, 2013 at 3:47 PM · Report this
Fnarf 5
Posted by Fnarf on March 27, 2013 at 3:55 PM · Report this
GeneStoner 6
Goldy will be along shortly to say that it isn't the fault of the Dumbocrats that these impoverished people are living here.

Rather, they are transplants from the Red parts of the state.
Posted by GeneStoner on March 27, 2013 at 4:16 PM · Report this
Animal 7
The article linked to, "The Weeklies," is incredible. It's the goddamn 'Grapes of Wrath.'
Posted by Animal on March 27, 2013 at 4:22 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 8
What, @5, for telling all the younger people that Ballard and Fremont used to be cities and that the reason there are no sidewalks north on N 85th has more to do with the division between urban and suburban than they realize?

You're no fun anymore. You need to stop taking all those contra-indicatory meds.
Posted by Will in Seattle on March 27, 2013 at 5:15 PM · Report this
Fnarf 9
FYI, there was never a city limit at N 102nd.
Posted by Fnarf on March 27, 2013 at 5:35 PM · Report this
TheMisanthrope 10

And, I agree with Fnarf on this one. A lot of the suburban poor are what were formerly the urban poor who have been priced out. It's why I've been saying rent has been outstripping the incomes. It's why I'm saying that micro-housing with macro-rent is outpricing the poor's incomes, and all rent is pushing out lower income families (even though Dominic says I'm a troll for saying so).

I'm glad people are starting to see these things; that Seattle is gentrifying itself by allowing rent to skyrocket, pushing the poor out to the 'burbs, and otherwise doing things by financial turns of the screw.
Posted by TheMisanthrope on March 27, 2013 at 6:20 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 11
Seattle doesn't owe the suburban poor a living, @10. They should move back to Idaho, and take Tim E with them.
Posted by Will in Seattle on March 27, 2013 at 6:37 PM · Report this
Fnarf 12
And Fremont was never a city. Ballard was. You are the dumbest fuck who ever lived.
Posted by Fnarf on March 27, 2013 at 7:25 PM · Report this
raindrop 13
Fnarf & Tim in Seattle - what is the root the long running spat between you two? You're both lefties, are both reasonably intelligent and politically aware, what is it?
Posted by raindrop on March 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM · Report this
GeneStoner 14
Lovers quarrel.

You both should know that I [dramatic pause] am the dumbest fuck that has EVER lived.

(source: Venomlast and Pridge and some other lesser Slogers like Goldy and Dan Savage, et al)
Posted by GeneStoner on March 28, 2013 at 1:01 AM · Report this
TheMisanthrope 15
@11 That's why we've been pricing out the urban poor into the we won't have to owe them a living. Genius!

Posted by TheMisanthrope on March 28, 2013 at 6:27 AM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 16
@13 - Fnarf speaks dramatically and uses facts, trivia, and anecdotes to flesh out his points.

Will uses random made up bullshit straight from his imagination and presents them as facts. Including his past as a CIA agent, Canadian spy, beta tester for the DoD and all the high tech companies around the world, and worldwide meme creator.

Hes been doing this since the beginning of Slog. As you might imagine, this is anathema to Fnarf (and many of us). If anyone tells me that if you ignore something, it will go away, I point them to WiS as we've collectively tried that.

I would rather spend a day with you at CPAC then be forced to spend a day locked up in a room with Will.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on March 28, 2013 at 7:23 AM · Report this
Fnarf 17
@13, read @11. He's a fucking stone cold moron. Intelligent? EVERY SINGLE THING HE SAYS IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE TRUTH. Back to Idaho? How is that intelligent? It's just wrong. Lefty? His views are at root identical to our resident Neanderthal GeneStoner here. Were you not around when he was shouting that the solution to all of our problems was to nuke Saudi Arabia? He's just another fat white dude who thinks women and people of other races are trying to take his birthright. Have you ever MET him? He's a full-court-press creepazoid. You should see him in action trying to corner women -- literally, push them into a corner and blast with sausage breath telling them what a stud he is, using his arms to block their escape.

Lefty? Did you know he's one the only, if not THE only, Democratic PCOs to be removed from office in a competitive election, because his neighbors finally had had enough of his shit?

Have you not followed his career of lies that are not just lies but convoluted and deeply weird perversions of real ideas that he has misheard from his television? Have you not followed the literally HUNDREDS of embarrassing episodes of bullshit he's been caught peddling here, like the time he was under the impression that because he was tweeting at the actress Ellen Barkin they were in a "relationship", or the numerous times he has claimed that he's "beta testing" top secret new products for Apple and Google, despite the complete impossibility of such a thing being true, especially if he's bragging about it on some blog? Or the claims he has made to have been a participant in the birth of the internet in the 80s at Simon Fraser University (which makes no sense)? Or the long, involved argument about the need to build "100 story mixed-use towers on the slopes of Capitol Hill like they have in Vancouver" which is wrong for something like twenty different reasons, starting with the fact that there are no 100 story or even 50 story buildings in Vancouver?

Do you remember that when he got caught out on that idiocy, which even made the front page of Slog, he compounded his problem (as he always does, Will is the kind of gambler who ALWAYS doubles down and ALWAYS leaves the casino empty-handed) by citing a book that argues the exact opposite, and then, when I pointed this out, with quotes (I own the book), claimed it was "the Canadian edition"?

Have you not seen the numerous occasions when Will has expressed contempt for victims of crime and murder?

Oh, I could go on. I should compile a Greatest Hits I can link to whenever this question comes up: why do you hate that Will guy so much? I have excellent reasons. He is a deeply disturbed and thoroughly despicable piece of human excrement. He destroys every conversation he enters.

For better or worse, I make an effort here. I try to further the conversation. You may not be impressed by what I have to say, but I tend to back it up, and what I say tends to follow the flow of the conversation. Will never does. He kills it. He drowns every idea or opinion he comes across with the most amazing flow of lying garbage anyone has ever seen.

It's not just that he lies; it's that his lies make no sense. It's as if Will has a need to make himself look like an idiot and an asshole. To a casual observer, the things he says might seem to make sense -- look above, where he's talking about the city borders at 102nd street. It's mixed into paragraphs that resemble sense (but are not). But if you know even the tiniest little thing about the subject, you know instantly that there's something wrong -- the city limits were never at 102nd street. He's lying. And he's off-topic. And when he tries to get on-topic, he comes out with brain-dead, knee-jerk opinions -- the poor suburbs are people from Idaho, who should go back there -- that are not just full of shit but offensively so.

Fuck him. He is poisoning Slog. He's been poisoning it for a long time. He belongs in the comments of the Seattle Times, where he and the other blowhards can shout past each other all day long. Fuck him here on Slog. He needs to go away.
Posted by Fnarf on March 28, 2013 at 7:27 AM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 18
@14 - Don't flatter yourself.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on March 28, 2013 at 7:27 AM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 19
@17 - The solution to all Seattle's growth problems are 100 story towers surrounded by greenspace carved into the side of Cap Hill overlooking the freeway.

Just thinking about that in a serious way hurts my brain.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on March 28, 2013 at 7:36 AM · Report this
Fnarf 20
@19, now go look at pictures of those mudslides on Whidbey Island from yesterday and imagine there were 100-story towers there.
Posted by Fnarf on March 28, 2013 at 8:35 AM · Report this
TheMisanthrope 21
@17 I still remember the time a couple months ago that somebody told me to take some of his bullshit seriously because he's on some board of democrats and has been part of the political process. I laughed.
Posted by TheMisanthrope on March 28, 2013 at 8:52 AM · Report this
venomlash 22
@17: You give voice to my simmering rage at the world's idiots. Thank you.
Posted by venomlash on March 28, 2013 at 1:06 PM · Report this

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