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Thursday, March 14, 2013

Child Rape, Inc.

Posted by on Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Hate to spoil the new pope's coming-out party—and it was such a lovely party—but this just in:

The Catholic Diocese of Joliet will release as part of a lawsuit settlement more than 7,000 internal documents that reportedly show every bishop since the 1950s has been aware of diocese priests sexually abusing children. The documents include personnel files and other items related to 15 diocese priests accused of sexual abuse over a 50-year period ending in the 1990s. They will be released by plaintiff David Rudofski through his Chicago lawyer, Terrence Johnson, as part of his settlement with the diocese. Rudofski was 8 years old and making his first confession at St. Mary's Church in Mokena when he was sexually molested by the Rev. James Burnett in the 1980s.

Rape a kid making his first confession—holy shit, that'll fuck a Catholic kid up for life. And you gotta love how certain the writer is that all of this sexual-abuse-of-children-by-Catholic-priests stuff ended in the 1990s. How can we know that for sure? How do you prove that particular negative? And here's a detail for all you non-Catholics out there: Catholic children make their first first confession at age seven—and they're alone with a priest, in dark little box, when they make it. When I was a Catholic kid we went to confession on a weekly basis. So one rapey parish priest could have access to dozens or hundreds of children, completely alone and with no parents present, week-in, week-out, for decades. Access to children alone—that's built right into this particular sacrament.

But, hey, the new pope used to ride the bus to work. So it's basically a wash, right?

And again: if children got raped at Denny's as often as they get raped in church...

 

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emma's bee 1
Oh hey! That was my diocese growing up in the western Chicago burbs. I'll have to dig through my old grade-school photos from the late '70s and find the one of the bishop who confirmed me so I can enlarge it for dartboard practice. Lessee, what was his name...
Posted by emma's bee on March 14, 2013 at 2:54 PM
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I think they were suggesting that the 7,000 records relating to those 15 priests started in the 1950s and ended in the 1990s. I don't see anything in the text that leads me to believe they were using the 1990s as an end date to sexual abuse.

I'm disappointed in the church's choice, and more than just about anyone in history they need to implement a 'Darkness to Light' type institutional rebuild to make the organization much less dangerous for those who are involved as children.
Posted by Chris Jury http://www.thebismarck.net on March 14, 2013 at 2:56 PM
gloomy gus 3
My god, when my nephews come to me with problems I tell them to "go bother that nice waiter at Denny's you like so much." They always come back praising the Grand Slam he gave them. You don't suppose...?
Posted by gloomy gus on March 14, 2013 at 3:06 PM
SoapMacTavish 4
wow, seven years old for 1st confession? Alone with potential child rapist? My heart goes out to all you you recovering Catholics. Each one of these posts make me realize how fortunate I was to be raised in a non religious household. Thanks mom and dad!
Posted by SoapMacTavish on March 14, 2013 at 3:07 PM
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There is a delusion that the Catholic Church can be fixed. It can't.
Posted by Timothy http://www.moreperfect.org on March 14, 2013 at 3:07 PM
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Er, Dan, the article is NOT sure the rapes ended in the 90s. It doesn't say anything of the kind. It just says that the report covers a period ending in the 90s. Doesn't say anything about what happened after.
Posted by Brett Alan http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best_songs-Power-Pop.html on March 14, 2013 at 3:08 PM
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Denny's... So, a place people go regularly? You mean like a public school?

Data from the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation (2000) indicate that 290,000 students were physically sexually assaulted by teachers between 1991-2000 (compare with 11,000 Catholic children between 1950 and 2000).

The Department of Education posits that between 6 and 10% of students will be sexually harassed or assaulted by a teacher over the course of their public education.

It doesn't make what happens in the Catholic Church right. But to pretend that priests are the only predators out there is ignoring the fact that sexual abuse of children is tragically common. And that a Catholic child is far, far less likely to be abused at his church than in his public school.
Posted by PuzzledKiwi on March 14, 2013 at 3:08 PM
emma's bee 8
My old bishop's name was Joseph Imesch. Here's the list of priests who sexually abused kids in the diocese of Joliet:
http://www.dioceseofjoliet.org/documents…

At least one of them (Fr. Larry Gibbs) was my old parish priest. Apparently, Imesch was one who transferred Gibbs from parish to parish after accusations of pedophilia were made.

Here's a quote, about boys who were most likely schoolmates: "One legal filing contained new disclosures that in 1977 the diocese was made aware that Gibbs had permitted teenage boys from a parish in Glen Ellyn to get drunk at his cabin, had them undress and gave them spankings. "

Now he's "reformed" and married with kids (!)

Feels like gallows humor: we used to joke about it when I was a teenager, but there were definitely priests I steered my kid brother away from, when he accompanied my mom to volunteer gigs at my school.

One last little coincidental note: Sartain was the penultimate Joliet bishop. I seem to recall his name cropping up a few times on Slog...
Posted by emma's bee on March 14, 2013 at 3:11 PM
rob! 9
...Yet surely a Church that expels a priest for advocating women's ordination faster than it does men who have been credibly accused of raping children is in some kind of trouble.
—Margaret Talbot's Koosh-ball condemnation of Child Rape, Inc. in this week's New Yorker

Ya think??
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on March 14, 2013 at 3:12 PM
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@7 it isn't simply the number of predators/child rapists among the priesthood that makes the Catholic Church so worthy of scorn. It's the number of enablers, right up to (at least until two weeks ago) the very highest level of the organization. I know if a teacher at my local public school was accused of one incident of child rape, the superintendent wouldn't be covering it up, making excuses, or allowing him within 10 feet of a classroom from that day forward. That's how decent people respond. Too few decent people among the bishops, cardinals and Popes.
Posted by Catastrophe on March 14, 2013 at 3:18 PM
YakHerder 11
According to the article, current Joliet Diocese Bishop R. Daniel Conlon "expressed concern that releasing the documents may cause more pain for the victims and that 'no human action, really, can fix the past.'"

Thanks for the "concern," asshole.
Posted by YakHerder on March 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Gern Blanston 12
I'm not sure about this new subliminal advertising campaign of Denny's.
Posted by Gern Blanston on March 14, 2013 at 3:34 PM
SoapMacTavish 13
@10 you took the words out of my mouth. It's the institutionalized denial of this problem not just by the power structure of the church but by most of its followers that is disturbing. I totally agree with Dan, nonreligious institutions (Denny's in Dan's example) would be run out of business if child rape happened there. It is my opinion that the very nature of religious indoctrination is that its adherents are taught to never question the motivations of the institution even in the face of overwhelming evidence because the church is always right even when it allows your children to be raped by its operatives. If I live to be 500 I doubt I would ever understand what motivates the religious.
Posted by SoapMacTavish on March 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM
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@10 "I know if a teacher at my local public school was accused of one incident of child rape, the superintendent wouldn't be covering it up, making excuses, or allowing him within 10 feet of a classroom from that day forward."

That's actually a relatively recent phenomenon. I think part of the Catholic Church's problem on this front is their inherent conservatism kept them from evolving on this when large swaths of society did.
Posted by That Sort Of Thing Simply Isn't Discussed on March 14, 2013 at 3:40 PM
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Regarding the Church versus school situation. The Church teaches that the priest is an absolute extension of God. High school coach, not so much. Guess there should also be some comparison of the numbers of molestations in public versus parochial schools for this discussion to actually have more balance. And throw in percapita assaults from Vacation Bible Schools and Boy Scout leaders so that the secular and Protestants have a fair shake. Damn what a perverted mess.
Posted by pupuguru on March 14, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Pope Peabrain 16
They once asked me to be altar boy at a church not twenty miles from there. I said no. They asked again with sugar on it. I said no.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on March 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM
17
Quoting @14:

"@10 "I know if a teacher at my local public school was accused of one incident of child rape, the superintendent wouldn't be covering it up, making excuses, or allowing him within 10 feet of a classroom from that day forward."

That's actually a relatively recent phenomenon. I think part of the Catholic Church's problem on this front is their inherent conservatism kept them from evolving on this when large swaths of society did."
Posted by MiscKitty on March 14, 2013 at 3:53 PM
18
@10,

Like #14 notes, that is a recent phenomenon, like in the past 30 years or so, with many holdouts along the way, especially if the molester is connected with an important sports program. *cough*

Before then, if the parents made enough of a stink (and many didn't, because of the inherent shame and widespread belief that children ain't shit), maybe the teacher would be transferred to a different school.

We've come pretty far since then (except when sports are involved); the Church hasn't.
Posted by keshmeshi on March 14, 2013 at 3:56 PM
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 19
7, that is a deliberate move on your part to ignore the issue. People have been bringing up that point for a long time now, in a pathetic attempt to muddy the waters. There isn't a single person at the Stranger that is pretending that Catholic priests are the only sexual predators out there. You pulled that out of your own ass and threw it at Dan so you can call him stinky-stinky. And your last sentence is laughable.

The bottom line is this: Nowhere on earth has it been safer to rape children and have an institution not only protect you, but in some cases set you up at an orphanage so you could rape to your hearts content, than in the Catholic Church. There is no weaseling your way out of that fact.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on March 14, 2013 at 4:03 PM
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@ 7 - Talking raw numbers when making that sort of comparison is not only unhelpful, it's also potentially misleading without context.

So!

How many children attended school between 1991 and 2000? (And does "teachers" include college professors?)

How many children attended Catholic churches between 1950 and 2000?

And since "teachers" is a broad term not limited to public school teachers, how many of the children who were abused in a school were attending a private religious school?

For that matter, how do estimated reporting rates compare? Are abused children more likely to turn in a teacher or a priest? Or is it the same?

I'm not saying that the information isn't important but it needs to be contextualized. A link to the data from the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation would be helpful as well.

Additionally, regarding public schools specifically you cite that:

"The Department of Education posits that between 6 and 10% of students will be sexually harassed or assaulted by a teacher over the course of their public education."

The Department of Education seems to be making a good faith effort to, at the very least, acknowledge that the problem exists. Where is the Catholic Church's estimate?
Posted by MiscKitty on March 14, 2013 at 4:06 PM
21
@15 The Church teaches that priests are humans, and fallible. Yes, they act in persona christe during the liturgy. And yes, priests should behave in a moral manner. No, priests aren't perfectly moral. Just like all of us. There's a line in the liturgy that speaks to this as it applies to priests:
[Priest] Remember, O Lord, according to the multitude of your mercies, my own unworthiness. Pardon my every offense both voluntary and involuntary, and do not withhold the grace of your Holy Spirit from these Gifts here set forth because of my sins.

Once again, this does not excuse abuser-priests. But Catholicisim doesn't teach that priests are divine. It doesn't hold that priests are sinless. In fact, all priests are sinners - Catholicism teaches there have only ever been two sinless people.

@10 I agree that the enablers are disgusting and should also be punished. But Catholics aren't the only ones who harbor rapists. The quickest site I could find is a foundation trying to raise awareness of the abuse of minors online (http://www.cpiu.us/). They hold that among those teachers who have faced allegations of sexual abuse:
38.7% of the teachers resigned, left the district, or retired
17.5% were spoken to informally
15% were terminated or not re-hired
11.3% received a formal verbal or written reprimand
8.1% were suspended and then resumed teaching
7.5% were cases where the superintendent determined that the teacher hadn’t meant to sexually abuse
Of the nearly 54% of abusers who resigned, weren’t rehired, retired, or were terminated, superintendents reported that 16% were teaching in other schools and that they didn’t know what had happened to the other 84%. All but 1% of these teachers retained a teaching license.

What the Catholic Church has done is wrong. And it's even more wrong to realize that somebody who is supposed to minister to the people has abused a position of respect and authority. But priests are not unique in their capacity for abuse.

And to be honest, the only reason I'm mentioning these stats is because, above, Dan alleged that they were/are with his Denny's snark.
More...
Posted by PuzzledKiwi on March 14, 2013 at 4:07 PM
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@13 - fear.
Posted by magic sky daddy will make it all better on March 14, 2013 at 4:13 PM
Fnarf 23
You COULDN'T rape as many kids at Denny's, because if you were raping kids at Denny's they'd call the cops on you. That's the whole point -- it's not about the molestation, it's about the coverup. The highly organized, decades-long, systematic coverup that operates at every level in the church -- this is genuinely one of their primary administrative functions.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on March 14, 2013 at 4:15 PM
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When I was a child, they started doing confessions in the open, with two chairs facing each other in a public part of the church. It was supposed to be far enough away so you wouldn't be heard. As a kid, it just made me feel totally embarrassed. But as an adult, I can see why it was done that way, and I wonder if it was precipitated by some abuse.
Posted by wxPDX on March 14, 2013 at 4:22 PM
SoapMacTavish 25
@13. you may be right but it can't all be fear can it? I suspect it has something to do with pounding (no pun intended) it into the heads of little kids before they have the ability to think for themselves or question the adult indoctrinating them.
Posted by SoapMacTavish on March 14, 2013 at 4:35 PM
raindrop 26
@23: Minor edit: Replace 'decades-long' with 'centuries-long'.
Posted by raindrop on March 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM
SoapMacTavish 27
sorry meant @22. Numbers confuse me especially when they are in logical order:)
Posted by SoapMacTavish on March 14, 2013 at 4:40 PM
28
Danny has never forgiven his mother for throwing him to the Catholic clergy when he was a child.

Never.

It plays out painfully in Slog every day.
Posted by —holy shit, that'll fuck a Catholic kid up for life! on March 14, 2013 at 4:55 PM
29
Yeah, if it comforts anyone, Dan isn't exactly up-to-date on modern confession. Most newer churches aren't even built with the little confession boxes- if you want confession in a place that private, you have to ask for it specifically. I had my first reconciliation (which is what they call confession now) in 1998, as a seven-year-old, and there were 5 priests and a bunch of us, and just like @24 said, we had our confessions out in the open, but far enough away so that it would be hard for the others to eavesdrop.

This isn't to take away at all from the gravity of this situation, because it is terrible, but people shouldn't worry so much about current children who are going to confession. The little boxes that Dan remembers from his youth are a relic of his memory, not a current reality for the most part.
Posted by wasanaltargirl on March 14, 2013 at 4:56 PM
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Well, talk about hitting home. I grew up in Joliet and went to Catholic grade school and high school through the '70s. I was never molested but I had an "uncomfortable" moment with a priest in grade school and when I became an adult I realized I probably dodged a bullet. I looked through the offenders list posted above and, sure enough, there was that priest on the "credible allegations" list. I expect some kids I went to school with weren't so lucky.
Posted by charlie in the box on March 14, 2013 at 5:01 PM
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It wasn't just the Catholic church that closed their eyes and stuck their fingers in their ears. LAUSD will be paying out $30 million to settle half of the claims against one teacher in one school. http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/12/…

The Catholic Church was the appetizer just wait for the lawsuits coming to your school district.

Posted by mt on March 14, 2013 at 5:17 PM
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@21
Agreed, divine, no... Correct me though if I am wrong, the priest does directly intercede with God?? Sinner or not, I seem to remember something about the priest having Gods ear directly. I think that is for or against one as the priest sees fit.. correct or not??
Posted by pupuguru on March 14, 2013 at 6:52 PM
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When I made my first confession, it was out in the open, out of listening range but not out of sight of a large group of people.

This new Pope has a reputation for chucking out corruption. He might be able to do this, muscle through a "child molesters get defrocked and chucked out on their carcasses" policy. But then, Benedict came in with ideas too and did not act on them.
Posted by DRF on March 14, 2013 at 7:39 PM
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@12: That study is more than 15 years old.
Posted by clashfan on March 14, 2013 at 8:04 PM
35
And of course I meant 21.
Posted by clashfan on March 14, 2013 at 8:11 PM
SeaNative07 36
Rapes ended in the 90s? Sweet I'm going for a walk naked at midnight. *eye roll* I can't even walk through a parking garage in daylight without my combat boots on. Poor little children! Shame on those pervs!
Posted by SeaNative07 on March 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM
37
@2, "to make the organization much less dangerous for those who are involved as children."

So how much less dangerous would satisfy you? 50% less dangerous? 75% less dangerous? I assume you don't need it to become not dangerous at all. No, that would be impractical, and really hard on the Church.
Posted by sarah70 on March 14, 2013 at 11:50 PM
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@33 I hope you're right. Francis hasn't been implicated in any of the abuse scandals or coverups to date, unlike JP and Benedict. Then again, the scandal blew up in the US in the early 2000s, but the abuse in Europe wasn't discovered until a couple years ago. I really just hope it never becomes Latin America's turn (obviously if there was abuse, I hope it comes to light-- but I hope there is no heretofore hidden abuse yet to be discovered).
Posted by Liam3851 on March 15, 2013 at 2:14 AM
smajor82 39
It's not just "if kids got raped at Denny's..', it's: "If kids got raped at Denny's as often as they did and churches and every Denny's regional manager was complicit in covering up said rapes, then no one would take their kids to Denny's". How can someone believe a church that claims to be the voice of god while it rapes children? to be a Catholic these days, you essentially have to believe that God is a child rapist.
Posted by smajor82 on March 15, 2013 at 6:26 AM
Sabotage 40
@29--that sort of thing varies wildly by the church and its facilities. I grew up Catholic in the 80s and 90s and confessed in the open, in booths, in sacristies, etc.
Posted by Sabotage on March 15, 2013 at 6:59 AM
41
Hey, you know what? That means that Catholic priest rapeyness *didn't* just start happening in the 1960s as a result of the congregation falling apart and free love, like the church claims!

Hell, I bet this dates back to the 1000's. It's become a tradition really, and since the bible doesn't say much about the evils of rape or diddling little kids, noone's seen any wrong in it until it was made illegal by secular governments.
Posted by gromm on March 15, 2013 at 9:03 AM
42
@21
Nice try.

One of the things that Catholics completely understand and a lot of non-Catholics don't is how very much there is a deep divide between theology and doctrine and hierarchy on the one hand and the day-to-day lived experience in the pews on the other.

And I've noticed that a lot of smug Catholics get really slippery when they are trying to defend things, especially the indefensible.

No, you're right, Catholic theology and formal teaching doesn't single out priests as superhuman or some sort of avatars of God - though at the same time, you can't discount that Ordination, like Baptism, is officially declared to be a fundamental permanent change in the very nature of the human being, indelibly marked on their soul, so even your claim is shaky.

But you can't hope to pretend that at the pew-level, priests, and once upon a time, nuns, were held up by the faithful as effectively damn near superhuman, to be treated with deference and reverence - remember, we're talking starting in the 1950's here, not last Wednesday - and since sex among adults, much less things like childhood sexuality and pedophilia were not talked about, you can guarantee that the lessons about "Do what Father tells you" didn't include "unless he touches you ways that make you feel funny."

Functionally, especially when it came to minor children, the church most definitely did, and to a lesser degree still does, teach that priests were assumed to be holy, morally above reproach, to be obeyed in all things, at least is not more as much as a parent was.

No, the Catechism never said "Let Father molest you" but just about every other aspect of Catholic life sure as hell did.
Posted by Lymis on March 15, 2013 at 9:18 AM
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@21:

See, the difference between Denny's and The Ultra Holy Catholic Church is that the church is *sacred*. Which means you don't go prosecuting priests. They have some kind of special status that makes them untouchable.

Which is why this sort of thing has persisted for so long, in spite of the law.
Posted by gromm on March 15, 2013 at 9:33 AM
Tim Horton 44
@7 - Priests rape children because the requirements to become a priest attract pedophiles. How many sane, sexually normal males in their 20s are going to sacrafice their sexual lives for the church? Catholic arbitrary rules on celibacy are only attractive to conflicted closet cases or sexual deviants trying to hide their perversions behind a glass wall of celibacy.

Posted by Tim Horton on March 15, 2013 at 10:21 AM
45
Minor quibble . . . as a few commenters noted, they changed the procedures with confessions a few years back, going to the face-to-face thing, and no longer scheduling the first confession to happen before the First Communion. I made my first confession at 12 or 13, and I think (I think) that became the norm around 1978 or so . . .
Posted by sophist2 on March 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM
sissoucat 46
@42 You're right.
Posted by sissoucat on March 15, 2013 at 10:28 AM
John Horstman 47
@7: That study doesn't say what you're claiming; it was designed to measure student-to-student sexual harassment and assault, and was not methodologically validated for measuring abuse by educators. It's certainly possible that the prevalence is higher. Or lower. Or exactly the same. The study also is not broadly generalizable - it vastly overrepresents White suburban students. Again, that doesn't mean that there isn't a problem in schools, nor does it indicate whether such a problem is more or less prevalent than in churches. However, it's not valid data on abuse by educators, and it's also really not the point, as others have stated.
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Posted by Christian87 on March 28, 2013 at 5:30 AM
49
Definitely *NOT* to defend anyone associated with the Child Rape, Inc., but -

When I made my first confession (and all following weekly confessions) in the late 1970s & 1980s, no child was left alone in a dark box with a priest. The priest was on one side of the confessional screen & the child was on the other, and other children, parents and teachers were right outside in line. And there was one priest in the parish was was too touchy-feely with kids, but the older kids warned us about him, and we warned the next class of kids, and we never knowingly left one of our classmates alone with him.

If you go to a church where "confession" means an unattended child trapped in a dark box with a priest, there is abuse happening and you need to act.
Posted by blankk23 on April 8, 2013 at 12:49 PM

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