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Arts "Un article de The Stranger"
Posted by Charles Mudede on Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:00 AM
Jen Graves' article, Charles Krafft Is a White Nationalist Who Believes the Holocaust Is a Deliberately Exaggerated Myth, has crossed the Atlantic...
La journaliste Jen Graves a retrouvé un podcast de juillet 2012 sur un site appelé The White Network – baseline : « Des Blancs parlent aux Blancs des intérêts blancs. » Krafft y est interviewé....All you need is English, which is a form of French, to understand that passage. You will, however, need more than English to understand many of the comments beneath the post.
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Did you want to link to the French piece? Don't worry, I won't call you a responsible journalist or anything, I just want to see the thing you're talking about.
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http://www.rue89.com/rue89-culture/2013/…
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl… ://www.rue89.com/rue89-culture/2013/03/09/hitler-sur-une-theiere-de-la-provoc-non-du-revisionnisme-240379&act=url
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl… ://www.rue89.com/rue89-culture/2013/03/09/hitler-sur-une-theiere-de-la-provoc-non-du-revisionnisme-240379&act=url
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English isn't a form of French. Its a Germanic language with some influence from Latin, French, and certain Celtic languages.
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@6
actually is a latin based word. so is language, west, and romance. most of the words you are using are latin based. english is about 40% germanic, 5% celtic, and 50% latin based or norman french....with the rest being other.
give me the dog, hit the dog with the stick, germanic. issue me a description of the relative portions of french related and german related words and sentences, latin.
understand? comprehend? or do you "get it"?
we can at least say it's both, right? correct? do we have accord on that?
actually is a latin based word. so is language, west, and romance. most of the words you are using are latin based. english is about 40% germanic, 5% celtic, and 50% latin based or norman french....with the rest being other.
give me the dog, hit the dog with the stick, germanic. issue me a description of the relative portions of french related and german related words and sentences, latin.
understand? comprehend? or do you "get it"?
we can at least say it's both, right? correct? do we have accord on that?
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That is an incredibly tame comment section. I wonder if this is a product of the French experience of WWII, or of heavy moderation.
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@9: 6 and 7 are correct. (Old) English grew out of a Germanic language. After the Norman conquest of England, French words (and to some extant grammar) entered the language, but that doesn't change the history of the language.
And Charles's description of English as "a form of French" is right out.
And Charles's description of English as "a form of French" is right out.
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@9 - No, I don't get it because your writing is extremely unclear.
First, no, 'west' has its roots in proto-indo-european (PIE). Feel free to read: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term…
In fact ouest in French comes from English. One can say that west comes from Latin as much as it came from Greek or Sanskrit.
But, very essentially, English is not a French language. I am going to have you go ahead and look up what language family subgroups French and English are in. And actually, 60-70% of English words have French Origins, not 50%, and I would argue there are more like 1% of Celtic language loanwords. But, it is not the percentage of loanwords that make a language distinct (language convergence), but rather the genetic relationship.
You could still argue that French and English are both Indo-European. I agree. However he said that English is a French language which is absolutely incorrect. It's like saying humans are a type of Orangutan because we are both hominid primates.
First, no, 'west' has its roots in proto-indo-european (PIE). Feel free to read: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term…
In fact ouest in French comes from English. One can say that west comes from Latin as much as it came from Greek or Sanskrit.
But, very essentially, English is not a French language. I am going to have you go ahead and look up what language family subgroups French and English are in. And actually, 60-70% of English words have French Origins, not 50%, and I would argue there are more like 1% of Celtic language loanwords. But, it is not the percentage of loanwords that make a language distinct (language convergence), but rather the genetic relationship.
You could still argue that French and English are both Indo-European. I agree. However he said that English is a French language which is absolutely incorrect. It's like saying humans are a type of Orangutan because we are both hominid primates.
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Um, I'm pretty sure Charles' point was that an English speaker could understand the gist of the French words in his post (particularly in light of the post's English content/context), without any knowledge of French vocabulary or grammar.
Actual non-French understanding example: "The journalist Jen Graves recorded a podcast in June/July? 2012 something something The White Network, subtitled? The whites something of whites of interest to? whites. Kraft is interviewed..."
Close enough.
Actual non-French understanding example: "The journalist Jen Graves recorded a podcast in June/July? 2012 something something The White Network, subtitled? The whites something of whites of interest to? whites. Kraft is interviewed..."
Close enough.
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At best, modern English is 25% Germanic, 25% French/Latin and 50% pure accretion. If English was a dog, it would be the ugliest mutt in the pound. But, it's the only language I know, and I'd be lost without it.
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@8 For gawd's sake, if you're going to show off your erudition in French (LE Francais) please get it right. What you wrote is garble.
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Charles lays the best traps for pedants... Beautifully done, Charles. Sad that said pedants miss the entire point of the article to argue about things that need no argument.
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