Host Steve Scher had been pressing whether Sims would join the eight-way race, which gave way to 25 minutes of meandering discussion about Seattle schools. Finally, Sims reflected on his ascent to the to Obama administration as deputy director of HUD, then announced his decision using a topographical metaphor. "There are other mountains I want to climb," said Sims. "My wife and I want to want to climb them together. I think she and I want to be on another mountain, another journey, doing things that are far more important to us."