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Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Seattle Times Refuses to Correct Obvious Error in "Watchdog Story" Cited as Reason to Subscribe to the Seattle Times

Posted by on Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:21 PM

I'm not going to defend former Port of Seattle commissioner Rob Holland against the hit-piece the Seattle Times ran on him a couple weeks ago. Holland resigned rather than toughing it out, so I won't waste the effort defending a politician who won't defend himself.

But Holland's friend and former campaign manager, Michael Martin, was also maligned in the piece, and unfairly so. And he's fighting mad at Emily Heffter and her editor Matthew Kreamer for refusing to retract a factually incorrect assertion that implies inappropriate behavior:

The report also turned up a lewd photograph on Holland’s work cellphone and found that Holland once allowed a friend, Michael Martin, to use his Port credit card to buy camera equipment at Fry’s Electronics.

Except that's not what happened and that's not what the report found. Martin did not use Holland's credit card to purchase anything, and the report Heffter cites actually found this particular allegation to be "unsubstantiated" (PDF, page 25). Martin has repeatedly asked Heffter and Kreamer to issue a correction, and they have repeatedly refused.

"At the end of the day, all you have is your reputation," Martin told me. And he desperately wants his reputation cleared. The Seattle Times has yet to respond to a request for comment.

According to Martin, he accompanied Holland to Fry's to purchase a battery for a Port-owned camera that Holland was taking with him on an official Port trade mission. While Holland went to the restroom, Martin went to look for the battery. "When the sales associate found the specific battery, he asked me my name and I gave it to him," says Martin. The associate printed up an invoice (Fry's calls it a "customer quotation"), attached it to the battery, and handed it to Martin. Martin says that he then met back up with Holland and handed him the battery and invoice. Holland paid for the battery—appropriately—using his Port credit card. It was only later that they realized the transaction left Martin's name on the invoice.

Is this invoice proof that Emily Heffter used Michael Martins credit card to purchase camera equipment? Of course not!
  • Is this invoice proof that Emily Heffter used Michael Martin's credit card to purchase camera equipment? Of course not!

In an email exchange obtained by The Stranger, Martin repeatedly attempts to explain these circumstances to Heffter and Kreamer. He even returned to Fry's, gave Heffter's name to the sales associate in the camera department, and purchased a battery with his own credit card, creating a Fry's invoice with Heffter's name on it in an attempt to prove to her and her editor that such invoices are evidence of absolutely nothing. Indeed, the report Heffter cites specifically found the allegations of "potential unauthorized use by 3rd party of Port credit card" to be "unsubstantiated." Period.

So what explains the Seattle Times refusal to correct this erroneous (and arguably defamatory) assertion? My guess is that they are partially just loath to poke holes in a story of which they are clearly so gleefully proud. They took down a pro-labor Port commissioner. Yay for them! In fact, the paper is so proud of this "watchdog story" that executive editor David Boardman cites it as a primary reason to purchase a digital subscription: "Every day, we give you news you can’t get anywhere else," boasts Boardman. (Um, perhaps because it's wrong?)

But also, reading their emails to Martin, both Heffter and Kreamer just come off as incredibly confused. "There is a receipt and additional official documentation showing you as the purchaser of camera equipment for the Port, with Commissioner Holland’s Port credit card being used," Kreamer writes to Martin in a February 25 email, totally ignoring the fact that this so-called "receipt" proves nothing of the kind. "The Port report you cite says the third-party use of the card (by you) was not found to be unauthorized, but we never wrote that it was," Kreamer continues. "The items purchased were indeed for Port use, the audit found."

First of all, let me just point out that the report cited by everyone involved was not an "audit." I know this because on page two the report clearly states: "This review was not an 'audit'." (The emphasis is theirs.) Yet throughout the email thread, both Heffter and Martin repeatedly refer to the report as an "audit." It is not. And if there's one thing journalists should understand it's that words have meaning. An "audit" implies a thorough examination of records and accounts, whereas this report describes itself as a "selective not exhaustive" review of information to "identify potential concerns" and to "provide recommendations." Recommendations like providing orientation to new commissioners, and actually establishing written policies governing commissioner credit card use.

In that context, even the allegations against Holland don't amount to much.

Second, authorized or not, the report did not find that Martin used Holland's port credit card to purchase camera equipment. It just didn't. That is the assertion that Heffter makes, and it is an assertion that is nowhere in the report. All that Heffter has to back up this assertion is a Fry's "customer quotation" with Martin's name on it, not a "receipt," as both Heffter and Kreamer mischaracterize it. Again, words have meanings. True, there's nothing in the report that says that Martin didn't use Holland's credit card, but then there's nothing in the report that says that Martin doesn't strangle puppies, and I don't see that allegation in Heffter's article.

Third, both Heffter and Kreamer repeatedly deny that the article ever implied that the battery purchase was "unauthorized." But if they understood the report to conclude that there was no impropriety, why include the allegation in the first place? Lumped together in a sentence with an accusation about a lewd cellphone photo, any reader might reasonably infer that Holland and Martin did something improper. They did not.

But the assertion is more than just misleading—it is demonstrably false: The report did not find that Martin used Holland's Port credit card to purchase camera equipment. That is what Heffter asserts, and that is what Martin wants retracted. It is a reasonable request—one Martin attempted to make amicably before coming to me. And given their obstinate refusal to make this retraction, it only leaves me wondering what other egregious (and possibly defamatory) errors this hit piece on Holland includes.

I emailed both Heffter and Kreamer to give them the opportunity to comment, but have yet to receive a reply. But I've appended Martin's email thread below, so that you can judge them by their own words:

From: Michael Martin
Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:51 PM
Subject: Correction and Retraction Request
To: credibility@seattletimes.com

To Whom It May Concern:
One of your reporters, Emily Heffter, wrote an article titled, "Holland’s first term at Port a tangle of problems" and, among the many things I find disturbing and disgusting about this kind of journalism is the fact that I am even mentioned at all. Furthermore, the following statement made in the article is entirely false based on an independent investigation conducted by the Port. Her statement reads as follows:

"Holland once allowed a friend, Michael Martin, to use his Port credit card to buy camera equipment at Fry’s Electronics."

In October of 2011, an outside investigator/consultant hired by the port concluded that this was unsubstantiated. In fact, the report specifically says, "Potential unauthorized use by 3rd party of Port credit card - denied and unsubstantiated" (pg. 25).

I believe the aforementioned fact warrants a correction to the article both in the online version and a retraction in print. I will be following up this request in writing and look forward to hearing back from you regarding this misleading statement.

Thank you,


Michael Martin

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Emily Heffter wrote:

Hi Michael, I got your note about the Fry’s purchase I mentioned in my story. I have a receipt from the Port that shows you used Holland’s credit-card to purchase $30.64 of camera equipment on Oct. 11, 2010. It looks to me like the audit looked into whether the purchase was unauthorized and determined it wasn’t. I hope that helps explain what I wrote.

If you want to talk more about this, my contact information is below and I’m happy to discuss it. I’ve also cc’ed my editor, Matt Kreamer, in case you want to get in touch with him.

Emily

Emily Heffter
Seattle Times

From: Michael Martin
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:02 PM
To: Emily Heffter
Cc: Matthew Kreamer
Subject: Re: story

Hi Emily,

I appreciate you getting back to me and cc'ing your editor. I too have a receipt. Except my receipt says that you used my credit card to purchase $12.03 worth of camera equipment today at Fry's (see attached). Can you explain this? Did you in fact use my credit card? It would be very concerning to me if you did and, the receipt says you did.

Furthermore, the audit (Coskey report) is ABSOLUTELY clear on this fact: unauthorized use of the Port credit card by a third party is "unsubstantiated." Let me be clear, I am asking now for the second time that you retract in print and update the online version of your story to reflect the facts.

Are you going to retract and update your story? Please talk this over with your editor and let me know what you decide.

Thank you,

-Michael

From: Matthew Kreamer
Date: Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: story
To: Michael Martin , Emily Heffter

Hello Michael,

Please allow me to jump in here.

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make by what you’ve done today (which, by the way, is concerning in its lunacy and potential legal implications).

Are you trying to say that you did not use the card that day? Are you alleging that someone else went to Fry’s, used Mr. Holland’s credit card to buy camera equipment, and lied when they named you as the purchaser? If so, I’d like to explore that further, possibly for a story.

The audit is very clear that when you (presuming you agree it was you) bought the camera equipment that day, it was authorized. It doesn’t say you weren’t the purchaser. And that’s all Ms. Heffter wrote in the story – that you used Mr. Holland’s Port-issued card to make the purchase. It didn’t say it wasn’t authorized or allowed, nor was that implied.

Please write back – or better yet, call – and we can have a discussion about your implied allegation that someone went to Fry’s that day and forged your name (as you apparently did with Emily Heffter today). If that’s the case, we’re certainly happy to explore and potentially correct it.

Thanks,

Matt Kreamer

From: Michael Martin
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:48 PM
To: Emily Heffter
Subject: Amicable Resolution

Emily,

I am writing to you because I would like to reach an amicable resolution regarding your statement about me in the Seattle Times. "...Holland once allowed a friend, Michael Martin, to use his Port credit card to buy camera equipment at Fry’s Electronics." I am writing to you because I would like to reach an amicable resolution regarding your statement about me in the Seattle Times.

The reason I take issue with this is because 1.) it is not true. I never used the Port credit card and, 2.) the Coskey report says "Unauthorized use by a third party of the Port credit card - denied and unsubstantiated." You may feel this is a small matter in the scope of your story but I take serious issue with being lied about in a major U.S. newspaper.

I really don't want to have to spend the time or the resources to pursue this matter legally and am now reaching out for the third time to get this resolved. Please change the story to reflect the facts.

Thank you,

-Michael

Hi Michael,

Thanks for following up. I don’t think it’s a small matter; I, too, want to make sure that what is in my story is correct. I have exchanged phone calls with Vickie Rawlins and a Port spokesman, who are helping get me some more details about that finding in the Coskey report. It will probably take a few more days, but I am working on it.

Emily

From: Michael Martin
Date: Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: Amicable Resolution
To: Emily Heffter
Cc: Matthew Kreamer

Emily,

Isn't the idea is to check facts BEFORE the story is printed? You claim Holland allowed me to use the port credit card AND site a report to back your claim. Did you read Commissioner Practices Review Summary of Current State of Findings? The report does NOT say Holland allowed me to use the Port credit card. So what more is there to look into?

I too spoke with Vickie Rawlins over the phone and came away with the impression that the Port would let the report stand on it's own and not add any additional comment. Why do you need to wait?

I take this matter, my integrity, and my involvement in the community very seriously! I've worked diligently to present you with facts that call into question your claim that Holland allowed me to use his Port credit card. I implore you to treat this matter as expeditiously as possible.

I am now asking for the fourth time for you to retract in print and update the online version of your story. Are you going to? I look forward to resolving this issue in an amicable way.

-Michael

From: Michael Martin
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:17 PM
To: Emily Heffter
Cc: Matthew Kreamer
Subject: Story Correction

Emily,

You told me you would get back to me in few days and that time has now passed. I have asked you four times, and am now giving you a fifth opportunity, to correct your story to reflect the facts. Your claim that Holland allowed me to use the Port credit card to purchase camera equipment is false. Additionally, your claim is refuted by the Port's own report: "Commission Review Practices and Summary of Current State of Findings"

-Michael

From: Matthew Kreamer
Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: Story Correction
To: Michael Martin, Emily Heffter

Hi Michael,

Thanks for the emails. We haven’t been stalling, but take accuracy very seriously and have been working in the interest of fairness and thoroughness to be sure we’ve addressed your concerns. That includes trying to track down information you said existed and talking to people you suggested who might show we were wrong. After failing to find any evidence to suggest the story is inaccurate, we won’t be making a correction.

There is a receipt and additional official documentation showing you as the purchaser of camera equipment for the Port, with Commissioner Holland’s Port credit card being used. It was common for you to perform office tasks for Commissioner Holland at the time. The Port report you cite says the third-party use of the card (by you) was not found to be unauthorized, but we never wrote that it was. The items purchased were indeed for Port use, the audit found.

Since you first asked for a correction, you told me there was some other longer version of the audit report showing we were wrong that you would track down and get to me, and you were unable to. We have asked about that, too, and nobody at the Port seems to know what we’re talking about. You also said Vickie Rawlins would be able to confirm your version of events – that Commissioner Holland walked away to use the restroom at the moment the sales clerk asked for a purchaser name, but returned in time to complete the transaction himself – but she was unable to confirm that, beyond saying what was in the report.

We believe the story is accurate, and supported by documentation. If you come across any other documentation that confirms your version of events in the future, we’ll be open to revisiting the issue.

Thank you,

Matt Kreamer

 

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@56 The only explanation I can think of for this whole thing is that Hefter preferred the way her paragraph sounded when she included the bit about the Fry's purchase. If you reread her article and leave out the Fry's bit, the revelation of the lewd image comes off as quite jarring in terms of the flow of the prose, and somewhat inappropriate given its immediate context in the article. Clearly, Hefter really wanted to get the words "lewd" and "image" into her piece, and I'm afraid she decided Mr. Martin's reputation was a small price to pay to do so with minimal disruption to cadence and context.

But the bottom line with this piece is that the Seattle Times is reporting that the consultant's report "found that" 3rd party credit card use occurred, when in fact it found the exact opposite-- that potential 3rd party use was "unsubstantiated." On factual grounds alone that merits a retraction-- ST reported the opposite of the truth to their readers and are ethically obligated to correct themselves. But if that wasn't enough, Hefter drags down an innocent name with her lazy reporting and still won't fix it. And her boss has her back all the way. It's crazy.

It's like ST has a hit list. And much like Obama's kill list, any military age males whose reputations are killed or maimed in pursuit of a hit are simply counted as enemy combatants. Sorry, Michael Martin, but you were in the kill zone. You just go down as an enemy combatant in the official ST records.
Posted by tacky on March 1, 2013 at 12:40 AM
Goldy 56
@55 The other amazing thing about Heffter and Kreamer's insistence that Martin used Holland's credit card is... who uses somebody else's credit card these days? They ask for ID. They have you sign. This isn't 1985. Martin using Holland's credit card is the least likely explanation. It just doesn't make sense.
Posted by Goldy on February 28, 2013 at 10:21 PM
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@54 Glad you liked it. In the spirit of printing corrections, that should be Kreamer, not Keagan. Also, Martin never made a purchase at Fry's, he just held on to a battery for long enough to earn a customer quotation in his name. Kudos! But Matt Kreamer refuses to believe that the customer quotation is anything less than prima facie evidence that Martin made the purchase, and switches his defense to the the fact that Hefter never called the purchase "unauthorized." The Hedberg argument responds to this second defense, after erroneously caving on the first.
Posted by tacky on February 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM
rob! 54
Very neatly packaged, @53. Pretty little bow, even.
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on February 28, 2013 at 9:11 AM
53
@42 Not a minor, simple request. I mean it should be, but you've got to remember that you're asking two proud idiots to admit they were wrong and apologize. Needs to happen, but will require some top-down force. Look at the Keagan email. These two are not backing down.

I was thinking about this some more today, and it reminded me of a Mitch Hedberg bit: 'I was taking a physical and they were asking me 'yes' and 'no' questions. But they were really strangely worded. Like, "have you ever tried sugar-- or PCP?"'

Hefter is doing the same thing. By everyone's admission, including Hefter's, the photography eqpt. purchase amounts to nothing more than a guy buying something at Fry's. But when Hefter tells it in her article, she attaches it to a lewd image on a company cell phone, with absolutely no legitimate basis for doing so. Now the joke is, 'have you ever kept porn on a company cell phone-- or bought something at Fry's?' And Martin is standing there like, 'WTF does this have to do with me and why is my name being associated with a porny cell phone in the Seattle fucking Times??' And when he asks for a retraction, Hefter just goes, 'but everything I said was true-- you did buy something at Fry's this one time.' And then all the competent people in the room facepalm while Hefter just stands there looking smug, feigning ignorance of her obvious breach of ethics.
Posted by tacky on February 28, 2013 at 4:15 AM
Goldy 52
@51 Can you read? The article claims that "The report ... found that Holland once allowed a friend, Michael Martin, to use his Port credit card to buy camera equipment at Fry’s Electronics." But the report did not find that. The article is factually wrong.

What is so hard to understand about that?
Posted by Goldy on February 27, 2013 at 9:37 PM
BLUE 51
@42 Sure, of course the report says what is says. What the report doesn't do is directly address the assertion in the Times article. That an allegation is found to be unsubstantiated is not evidence that that the alleged action did not take place. It could mean they bought his just-so story, didn't have further evidence, and decided to let it go. And, sure, maybe his just-so story is really what happened. But, a line on a powerpoint slide containing the word unsubstantiated is not a direct refutation of what the was written by the Times.
Posted by BLUE on February 27, 2013 at 6:22 PM
50
Thanks for giving truth a voice, Stranger. And, Goldy, thanks for the naming what the real criticism was of Holland in the Times' article (sure the Commissioner had some problems, but the real meat of their assassination is aimed at his economic situation).
Posted by johnhelmiere on February 27, 2013 at 4:39 PM
Baconcat 49
Let's run a poll!

In fact, several polls on interesting key trolls. "Is ____________________ a troll from the Seattle Times or City Hall?" -- which is easy for you to know because IPs, but play along here -- and then ask folks who say "yes" to reply with who they think the troll really is.

Or maybe you could round them up into a tournament style elimination and at the end you basically work to out them. A sort of reverse "Outing Lurleen", if you will.

FUN.
Posted by Baconcat on February 27, 2013 at 4:18 PM
Goldy 48
@46 Nowhere in the report does it say that annettefunicello is not a Seattle Times employee. Infer from that what you will.
Posted by Goldy on February 27, 2013 at 2:17 PM
47
Does The Stranger still do "No You Shut Up" in the print version? It should feature this thread along with "[ed: annettefunicello is TOTALLY NOT a Times employee]" after her comments. :D
Posted by beef rallard on February 27, 2013 at 1:33 PM
46
Well I'm not saying annettefunicello is a TImes employee and I'm not saying annettefunicello isn't a Times employee, but she sure is mad about Goldy pointing out stupid shit at the Times. But you gotta hand it to her, "oh yeah well your last article didn't get very many comments," is a pretty devastating rebuttal.

Posted by beef rallard on February 27, 2013 at 1:31 PM
Baconcat 45
Someone prove that our favorite Mouseketeer is not a Times reporter
Posted by Baconcat on February 27, 2013 at 12:10 PM
Goldy 44
@43 Yes. But personally, I never tire of being right.
Posted by Goldy on February 27, 2013 at 11:14 AM
43
Goldy, has anyone ever told you how tiresome you are?
Posted by Unbrainwashed on February 27, 2013 at 10:23 AM
Goldy 42
I find it interesting that none of the comments critical of me or my post actually attempt to argue that I got it wrong, and that the report actually says what Heffter says it says.

Still no retraction, by the way. Which is curious, because it seems like such a minor, simple request.
Posted by Goldy on February 27, 2013 at 9:32 AM
41
The Times does this on a regular basis. I write about public education and I have told the Times - especially their editorial board - that they have had certain details factually wrong. Given them evidence, pointed them to the people who could give them the evidence and yet they stubbornly ignore it.

It will take a lawsuit to make these prideful people see the error of their ways.
Posted by westello on February 27, 2013 at 8:50 AM
undead ayn rand 40
Goldy sure does have a lot of obsessives who follow his articles around.
Posted by undead ayn rand on February 27, 2013 at 8:49 AM
39
Even the language the Times uses is misleading. Camera equipment implies hundreds of dollars of equipment. Camera battery implies $10-$30. Camera battery is fewer words than camera equipment, so why not just call a spade a spade?
Posted by I Got Nuthin' on February 26, 2013 at 11:49 PM
38
Thanks Teslick @34, that was big of you (and I mean that). Meanwhile, @31, you have this legal thing backwards. Public figures must prove malicious intent to win in a defamation suit (knowing the facts were wrong, were going to be damaging, and publishing them anyway). Non-public figures such as Mr. Martin have a much lower burden. Accusing someone of criminal activity (using some else's credit card without authorization) may or may not satisfy this burden. Point is, if I am famous I have a much harder time proving you are defaming me than if I am a normal citizen such as Mr. Martin. You have it exactly bass-ackwards in terms of what needs to be proven.
Posted by abject funk on February 26, 2013 at 10:50 PM
fletc3her 37
Nobody will read the Times anymore anyway.
Posted by fletc3her on February 26, 2013 at 10:06 PM
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 36
Great reporting all around SLOG and ST..you've broken this $12.00 scandal wide open. Meanwhile there's arenas downtown, $200 million dollar tracks to be laid, tunnels to be dug and snow in the mountains.

You've all done your jobs..now go home before Marissa Mayer takes your laptop and smart phone away.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on February 26, 2013 at 9:17 PM
35
Despite my adoration of goldy and his work, as I read on and on about this $30 battery the following came to mind almost simultaneously
1) this is what we talk about while I drive past discount gun retailers next door to the grocery store?
2) have heard a lot worse about much better (think Elliot Spitzer)
3) wish my vibrator batteries lasted as long as this $30 battery fiasco story is going on and on :)
Sent with a hug and hopes for your quick return to hardass truth telling on what really matters in this really strange planet called Seattle.
Posted by LorenNY on February 26, 2013 at 9:12 PM
Teslick 34
Goldy @ 21 & abject @ 27: You are both correct, I was combining the two issues, which wasn't the point of this post or about Martin. My apologies.
Posted by Teslick on February 26, 2013 at 8:51 PM
Joe Szilagyi 33
He should sue, AND demand a front page retraction in the settlement.
Posted by Joe Szilagyi http://twitter.com/joeszi on February 26, 2013 at 8:38 PM
32
That Fry's "receipt" stuff is completely stupid. Fry's gives you that slip for all sorts of reasons. I've been there just asking questions about specific boxed products on the shelves, and the person who helped me then printed one of those little slips up once I'd decided on which one I was going to buy. I think they must use it for giving credit to the salesperson who helped you. The name you give them for that slip means absolutely nothing. The reporter is an idiot to keep referring to it as a receipt, and she's an idiot to refuse to retract the false claim.

What Martin should say in his next reply is, "THAT IS NOT A RECEIPT YOU FUCKING MORON. IT IS A PIECE OF PAPER THAT A FRY'S EMPLOYEE HANDED ME THAT IS FOR TRACKING STOCK WITHIN THE STORE, NOT AN INDICATION OF A PURCHASE."
Posted by beef rallard on February 26, 2013 at 8:32 PM
31
The only person who would have cause to sue the Times would be Holland or Martin, not Goldy. Holland wouldn't sue them because other outlets were saying the same things. As far as Martin, unless you're a public figure, damage to your reputation isn't a good legal cause of action.
Posted by sarah70 on February 26, 2013 at 8:04 PM
30
So sue the hell out of them. I'm pretty ignorant of the legal system, but it seems to me that you could make a nice mess of things if you're falsely accused.

And the Seattle Times? I haven't read that Republican garbage in years, and you shouldn't, either.
Posted by floater on February 26, 2013 at 7:46 PM
29
@28, you are a simply awful writer. You don't even get Rob's name right.
Posted by Reader01 on February 26, 2013 at 7:45 PM
28
I don't know, Goldie, if you don't defend Holland and indict the Seattle Times and David Brewster at Crosscut, I have done so for its own and my sake.

I could go on at some further length, but do so in my letter to Westneat at
http://seattle-vistas.blogspot.com/2013/…

http://crosscut.com/2013/02/14/politics-…
Posted by wolfie69 http://www.roloff.freehosting.net/index.html on February 26, 2013 at 7:40 PM
27
@9, thanks for taking more of the Seattle Times bait. Notice the lewd photo and Mr. Martin's alleged actions are separate...they are merely mentioned in the same sentence. Folks like you read it, somewhat digest it, and get the "drift." The Times enjoys plausible deniability (the lewd photo and Mr. Martin are two separate issues, it is not our fault that readers made a connection...)

Sue them, the first mistake was shoddy journalism that appeared in the article. The failure to step up and apologize/make it right is in my opinion, an ongoing effort to damage Mr. Martin when the facts are clear that his story, the report from the Port, and his efforts to correct this matter have all be brought to the attention of the Times. If he gets a lawyer, things will probably change real quick.
Posted by abject funk on February 26, 2013 at 7:38 PM
26
@12 and @15: Goldy was busy writing something about former Atty. Gen. Rob McKenna to bother with something that was actually current.
Posted by PROUD MOTHER MARY on February 26, 2013 at 7:32 PM
25
@21 The Times published a "hit piece" as you call it -- but you needed Rob Holland to come forward to make a compelling case against the article? Because you were too busy to go after the Times? Sure, Goldy.
Posted by annettefunicello on February 26, 2013 at 7:26 PM
24
It's NEVER about Goldy. Right. Enjoy the "journalistic" ghetto that is the Stranger, Goldy.
Posted by ExitOnly on February 26, 2013 at 7:26 PM
Dominic Holden 23
@10) I know how to write a hit piece, and that is most certainly not a hit piece.
Posted by Dominic Holden on February 26, 2013 at 7:17 PM
22
Guess what Goldy, you don't get to dictate the terms of the conversations that happen around a Thing you wrote. You certainly get to dictate the contents of those Things, but not the discussion. Piss off.
Posted by Reader01 on February 26, 2013 at 7:15 PM
Goldy 21
@14 For the record, this post isn't about Holland. It's about the Seattle Times refusing to retract a demonstrably false assertion about Michael Martin.

@15 I don't know. I was busy working on something else, probably. But had Rob come to me and made a compelling case the way Michael did, I'm sure I would have taken the time to give him a full throated defense.

But you know what? I regret responding to either you, because I don't want to be a party to driving this comment thread off-topic. The Seattle Times has refused to retract a false and defamatory assertion. That's the issue, not me or Holland.
Posted by Goldy on February 26, 2013 at 6:59 PM
Will in Seattle 20
In the old days, in Seattle, if you did what Blethen's rag did, you'd be horsewhipped, and no jury would convict the person who horsewhipped Blethen.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on February 26, 2013 at 6:55 PM
Gordon Werner 19
take them to court.
Posted by Gordon Werner on February 26, 2013 at 6:55 PM
18
The article on the "green" coal lobby in the Times today is very good. Don't you think, Goldy?
Posted by ian on February 26, 2013 at 6:53 PM
17
What a bunch of dickbags. They're using silly semantics to defend their statement as "factually accurate" while ignoring that the statement is willfully misleading as written.
Posted by JenV on February 26, 2013 at 6:50 PM
16
You literally believe Rob Holland is a victim of anything other than his own idiocy. LMA motherfucking O
Posted by Reader01 on February 26, 2013 at 6:47 PM
15
@13 That is not an answer as to why you didn't respond.
Posted by annettefunicello on February 26, 2013 at 6:37 PM
Teslick 14
Goldy @ 11: Fair enough, but I don't see a lot of daylight between "lewd" and "inappropriate" on Port-owned phone. In either case, the potential liability for any employer, especially a public one, seems much greater with an inappropriate photo on a work phone than confusion on a minor purchase. Martin can easily explain this situation over this purchase (which he has done) to any future employer but what's the excuse for the lack of judgement with a work phone?

And, for the record, I'm not defending The Times, as I've seen many examples of their reporting "angles" and making sure the reported facts stick with that angle, leaving out all others.
Posted by Teslick on February 26, 2013 at 6:32 PM
Goldy 13
@12 I regret that I didn't. Now that I've read Heffter's piece more closely, and read the report she cites, I realize that what she's really accused Holland of is being poor.
Posted by Goldy on February 26, 2013 at 6:30 PM
12
And Goldy, you had a few days to defend Rob Holland after the Times "hit piece" before he decided to resign, but you didn't. Why not?
Posted by annettefunicello on February 26, 2013 at 6:23 PM
Goldy 11
@9 Don't know what the photo is. But while Heffter describes it as "lewd," the report she cites describes it as "inappropriate."
Posted by Goldy on February 26, 2013 at 6:21 PM
10
Speaking of hit pieces, I love Dominic's pathetic attempt to take down Times reporter Lynn Thompson a couple weeks ago. Despite plugging it repeatedly on here, it only managed to get two comments, one from Will in Seattle (cue sad trombone). I kind of felt sorry for Dominic.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
Posted by annettefunicello on February 26, 2013 at 6:16 PM
Teslick 9
Uh, maybe it's my prudishness, but I notice you don't address the "lewd" photograph on the work phone at all in your diatribe over a minor purchase.
Posted by Teslick on February 26, 2013 at 6:16 PM
rob! 8
(Thanks, @4. Guess I haven't bought any small expensive things--just small cheap things and a very few big expensive things.)
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on February 26, 2013 at 6:05 PM
BLUE 7
Quite a hit piece, Goldy. If only you would pretend to conduct such in depth research for something that mattered and would stop with the logical fallacies and straw men.
Posted by BLUE on February 26, 2013 at 6:05 PM
TheMisanthrope 6
Pfffft. As if The Stranger ever apologizes for taking Cascade at face value when they're demonstrably wrong.
Posted by TheMisanthrope on February 26, 2013 at 6:05 PM
DeaconBlues 5
If you go to the times' page and click on heffter's name, you can see all the things she's written about Holland; it is easy to imagine her gleefully tippy-tappin' all that extraneous shite about how Holland resigned after the Times' hit piece. What a shitter.
Posted by DeaconBlues http://radzillas.blogspot.com/ on February 26, 2013 at 6:00 PM
4
There's some stuff at Fry's that's only available in the cage behind the registers. Typically small expensive things they don't want to easily walk out of the store. (CPUs, RAM, etc.) You ask one of the sales reps to write you up a "Customer Quotation" for one of these items and then you had it to the cashier who goes to the cage and hands that to the person working inside the cage to retrieve the item.
Posted by noodleslayer on February 26, 2013 at 5:55 PM
rob! 3
Side question--I don't remember ever having to get a "customer quotation" from a sales rep in order to buy something at a Fry's store, but then I usually just grab what I need off a display and head for the registers. Do they do that if you ask for help so the floor reps get commissions?
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on February 26, 2013 at 5:48 PM
2
Why exactly is that rag supposed to be worth $4?
Posted by spoons on February 26, 2013 at 5:36 PM
1
I am shocked, shocked to hear that Emily Heffter would make up facts and ignore evidence in order to carry out her bosses' political agenda of destroying a political candidate. Apparently it wasn't enough when she did this exact same thing to Darcy Burner.
Posted by junipero on February 26, 2013 at 5:33 PM

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