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Wednesday, January 30, 2013

The Secret Behind US Coal Exports

Posted by on Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:25 PM

I wrote about the fight over coal trains in the northwest earlier this month, but if reading isn't your thing, I suggest you watch this video (starring Maeby Funke!), courtesy of Greenpeace:

And then forward this delightful progressive propaganda to your relatives in eastern Washington—once for every email chain your grandmother/aunt/cousin has forwarded to you about BFF Day/Microsoft million-dollar giveaways/Olive Garden's secret salad recipe.


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Theodore Gorath 21
I can't send this to my relatives because I am a chicken.

Gob: "Co-Ca-Co-Ca-Co-Ca!"
George Sr.: "Coo-Coo-Ca-Cha! Coo-Coo-Ca-Cha!"
Lindsey: "Cha-Chee-Cha-Chee-Cha!"
Lucille: A-Coodle-Doodle-Doo! A-Coodle-Doodle-Doo!"
Posted by Theodore Gorath on January 31, 2013 at 11:46 AM · Report this
Knat 20
Ever since Whip It, I can see what George Michael Bluth saw in her. Her dowdy librarian outfit does not diminish her hotness.

And thanks for providing this, Cienna. Finally I have something to send in reply to my obnoxious relative in Montana that keeps including me in her email blasts of Jesus propaganda. If I "reply all" with this, maybe it will embarrass her enough to think twice next time.
Posted by Knat on January 30, 2013 at 6:55 PM · Report this
Not to be a pedant, but... (oh, hell, who I am kidding?) It's Fünke not Funke. If your CMS doesn't support UTF-8 characters, Fuenke would be an acceptable alternative.

that guy
Posted by aaronbrethorst on January 30, 2013 at 5:10 PM · Report this
@8- Paying some serious attention there.
Posted by Bhamjason on January 30, 2013 at 5:00 PM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 17
Up next: Bailo payiently explaining that since the Sun is made of hydrogen we merely need to mine it there and ship it home.

Following which Useless Will will explain he already thought of that, and has based a portion of his investments toward making money on it.

I tell ya, you get those two going and it is comedy gold.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on January 30, 2013 at 4:11 PM · Report this
Fnarf 16
I'm a bit more parochial. I don't really give a shit about coal mining in Wyoming or coal burning in China. What I care about is three hours of coal trains stopping all movement across the city every goddamn day. They would have Seattle bear by far the worst of the costs while gaining zero percent of the benefits. Fuck that. Fuck it hard. Fuck it forever.
Posted by Fnarf on January 30, 2013 at 4:06 PM · Report this
MacCrocodile 15
@12 - SRotU is an idiot and can safely be ignored. It doesn't matter how many times his hydrogen bullshit is debunked, he keeps bringing it up.
Posted by MacCrocodile on January 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM · Report this
Gordon Werner 14
who's Maybe Fueke?
Posted by Gordon Werner on January 30, 2013 at 3:47 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 13
4, If you can demonstrate that Greenpeace's budget is in any way comparable to the coal industry's, you might have a valid argument. Don't bother, because you can't. The gross imbalance of discretionary funds between environmental groups and fossil fuel companies is such that you're trying to scare us w/ tales of a mosquito while an army is busy burning your village and killing everyone you know.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on January 30, 2013 at 3:43 PM · Report this
@7: Hydrogen fuel cells just means you burn a lot of something at a power plant to make that hydrogen for the fuel cell. If the power plant is green, okay, but if it's not, then you're displacing the emissions to the power plant. This is usually cleaner than having individual cars do the burning, but not "free" by any means.
Posted by tiktok on January 30, 2013 at 3:26 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 11
@9 or, if we stopped providing military land, air, and naval support for coal shipments to China, and their active mining, would this also drive up the costs, and reduce ours, causing, as a recent Chinese scientific paper on Energy Policy stated, a faster shift to more use of wind, hydro, tidal, geothermal, and other energy sources.

But, hey, that's just what the Chinese scientists say. Let's trust the people who want to increase H1-B visas four-fold to 300,000 when lots of Americans don't have jobs, right?
Posted by Will in Seattle on January 30, 2013 at 3:25 PM · Report this
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Posted by robotbutler on January 30, 2013 at 3:24 PM · Report this
@5, that's why it's so interesting. The question most needing to be settled is whether a U.S. refusal to be an export hub really would stand a chance of making any dent whatever in China's rate of coal consumption. Cavanaugh (and many other serious people) believe it would, but Wolak's skepticism about that seems well founded.
Posted by gloomy gus on January 30, 2013 at 3:06 PM · Report this
rob! 8
The Converse All-Stars are kinda hot, but I'll take them on a scruffy bespectacled nerdpuppy, please.
Posted by rob! on January 30, 2013 at 3:02 PM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 7

Meanwhile, in the 21st century...

Batteries are expensive. Additionally, batteries add heft and mass, which lowers the mileage. The weight of the battery pack of some of the early Tesla Roadsters came to 1,000 pounds. While chemical and electrical engineers continue to improve them, progress comes slowly. J.B. Straubel, the CTO of Tesla Motors, has said that batteries roughly double in performance every ten years, or about five times slower than Moore’s Law.

Enter hydrogen. In a hydrogen fuel cell car, hydrogen gets drawn through a catalytic membrane: an electron gets stripped from the hydrogen to power the car. The waste product—water—goes out the tailpipe. The crucial component is a thin membrane laced with expensive elements that helps conduct the chemical reaction. The fuel cell stack, in theory, can weigh less than batteries. Filling fuel cell cars—assuming a refueling station is nearby—takes minutes, not the hours needed for a typical EV.…
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe on January 30, 2013 at 3:00 PM · Report this
I wrote "Interestingly is an interesting". Regret.
Posted by gloomy gus on January 30, 2013 at 2:58 PM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 5
@3 So the first premise is that when US companies have to pay more for coal, more of them will switch to energy sources that release less CO2.

What about the CO2 from China's increased consumption? The article notes others asking the same question.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on January 30, 2013 at 2:57 PM · Report this
The Sierra Club/Green-piece agitprop has reached maximum saturation and will begin diminishing returns. Prominent posting on Slog is the proof.
Posted by hmmmmm on January 30, 2013 at 2:55 PM · Report this
Good Gob, Maeby! Interestingly (to me as a Greenpeace monthly donor, at least) is an interesting counterargument by the director of Stanford's Program on Energy and Sustainable Development:…
Posted by gloomy gus on January 30, 2013 at 2:49 PM · Report this
Christampa 2
Posted by Christampa on January 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 1
I'll be in my bunk.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn on January 30, 2013 at 2:36 PM · Report this

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