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Friday, January 25, 2013

In Which I Put on My Goldy Hat and Bitch About the Seattle Times Editorial Board

Posted by on Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Not to shit all over Goldy's toes or anything—I know how invigorating he finds a good Seattle Times editorial fisking—but I have to call out this blatant lie in this most recent ham-fisted screed:

Bruce Harrell of the Seattle City Council—and now a candidate for mayor—is working on a bill to help ex-prisoners find jobs. His motive is good: Ex-inmates need to find work. However, his initial proposal would unduly restrict employers’ ability to check applicants for criminal convictions or pending charges.

State law already forbids employers from asking most applicants about criminal convictions unrelated to the job. As proposed, Harrell’s legislation would forbid an employer from any check of criminal background until after a job was offered. The employer would be forbidden to cancel the offer unless the applicant’s background had a direct bearing on fitness for the job.

I am taking issue with the bolded sentence above (never mind that the previous sentence DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS IT). I have no idea whose ass that uncited "fact" was pulled from—these editorials are unbylined, ostensibly so no one's held accountable for making shit up—but based on my reporting on this issue, that's wrong wrong wrong. The editorial board is most likely referring to WAC 162 12 140, but as one employment lawyer told me, "they're grossly misstating the law." A law which, by the way, has been invalidated by two of three Washington state appellate courts.

In fact, employment for ex-offenders is such a complicated issue that the ACLU of Washington has an entire program devoted to helping ex-offenders navigate employer background checks.

"Most employers do background checks," reads the first sentence in their Guide to Criminal Records and Employment (.pdf). "You may not be fully protected by anti-discrimination laws unless you answer the employer’s question accurately."

Then there's helpful gem, from the same ACLU document:

Employers ask all sorts of questions about criminal histories. Some employers ask if you’ve ever been convicted of any crime. Some will ask if you’ve been convicted of specific types of crimes — violent crimes, for example. Some will only ask about convictions that are within a specific time period—like 7 years.

Whatever the employer asks, you should answer accurately. But what if you have something on your record that the employer’s question doesn’t cover? For example, what if an employer only asks about convictions that are within the last 7 years, but you have a conviction that is 15 years old?
You are not legally obligated to disclose information that an employer does not ask for. But, even if you do not disclose it, the employer may find out about it. There is no easy solution to this problem.

I'm not going to comb this whole stupid editorial line by line, as Goldy often does, because I have neither the time nor the patience for that kind of bullshit. My point is, Harrell's legislation is seeking to fix a real problem—a big problem—that ex-offenders face when navigating our current employment system, as much as the Seattle Times editorial board would like to blithely pretend otherwise.

 

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@20 so the Times editorials are a more important debate point than forcing women in Seattle to have to work with convicted rapists?

Priorities friends!
Posted by It's only rape after all on January 26, 2013 at 10:30 PM
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@rapetroll: let us know your position on the Seattle Times' ongoing serial rapes of civics and culture, THEN we'll attempt discussion on hiring ex-cons at The Stranger. And I don't know why you're pestering Cienna - isn't that really a question for Dan Savage? Sorry to make sense on you all of a sudden, but that's how we roll at Slog.
Posted by Che Guava on January 26, 2013 at 7:17 PM
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@18. No Doubt, you'd think Cienna would be at least a little concerned that under Harrell's bill she may well have to work with convicted rapey rapists breathing down her neck and there won't be jack sh*t she can do about it.
Posted by It's only rape after all on January 26, 2013 at 12:58 PM
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On another subject:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/01…

http://www.commondreams.org/sites/common…

(Sorry, but I always think of this subject when Cienna blogs.)
Posted by sgt_doom on January 26, 2013 at 11:24 AM
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"The issue here is the Times propensity to stretch facts around their biased agendas! "

Unlike the stranger. Thanks for the laugh.

And in this case if the Times helps prevent cienna from having to share a cubicle with a convicted rapist, I have no problem with their editorial. Committed Sloggers have zero right to gripe about media bias.
Posted by It's only rape after all on January 26, 2013 at 10:43 AM
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@15 So does Cienna have no right to stop a convicted rapist from working next to her?
Posted by It's only rape after all on January 26, 2013 at 10:40 AM
Seattle Joe 15
@It's only rape after

The issue here is the Times propensity to stretch facts around their biased agendas!

All, you're trying to elude the issue by soliciting an emotional response. Whether or not you agree with the bill is one thing. The bigger issue here is that the Times, because of it's statues as a respected news source here in the Puget Sound area, is able to throw it's weight around and put "facts" up that are hardly more than deliberate misinterpretations. It's a newspaper, they are supposed to report unbiasedly!!!

And by the tone of your post @It's only rape after all, you'd fit in so well with the Times that I wouldn't be surprised if you worked for them.
Posted by Seattle Joe on January 26, 2013 at 10:33 AM
DOUG. 14
"In which I..." is a tired literary device, and it does not make you sound smarter.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on January 26, 2013 at 10:20 AM
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We still haven't heard yet whether Cienna (or any other Slogger for that matter) would be willing to share a cubicle on night shifts with a convicted rapist, no questions alllowed. Say one of those Steubenville boys turns out to be a great writer?

Another case of "do as we say, not as we're willing to do ourselves"?
Posted by It's only rape after all on January 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM
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Sweetheart, if you are wearing the Goldy Hat don't forget the matching Big Red Nose and Floppy Shoes.....
Posted by say Hi to your uncle on January 26, 2013 at 6:06 AM
NaFun 11
I read it as nodding towards Goldy's usual fisking, and going ahead into a rebuttal/takedown of the Times, which us more generally is what Goldy does.
Posted by NaFun http://www.dancesafe.org on January 25, 2013 at 11:44 PM
Ballard Pimp 10
@5--Harrell is chair of the City Council Public Safety Committee. For the past two years he has been working on a city ordinance to deal with the problem, both for employment and housing. I agree with you about running against Frank Chopp, but it is Harrell's decision, and not ours.
Posted by Ballard Pimp on January 25, 2013 at 11:28 PM
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Until cienna says she's willing to share her cubicle and do night shifts next to a convicted rapist, I say she's full of shit.
Posted by It's only rape after all on January 25, 2013 at 6:44 PM
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How about rapists, will Sloggers happily work next to them? Night shifts too?
Posted by It's only rape after all on January 25, 2013 at 6:35 PM
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Harrel's legislation is a great solution to a pervasive problem that results in widespread disenfranchisement.

There is also a bill being introduced in the State legislature that would allow vacation of more than one misdemeanor when all other conditions of vacating a conviction have been met. Support HB 1087!
Posted by espato on January 25, 2013 at 6:29 PM
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So cienna, would you let The Stranger be forced to hire a rapist to work in your cubicle?
Posted by It's only rape after all on January 25, 2013 at 6:12 PM
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 5
If Harrell has ideas for legislation, it's kind of weird to be running for Mayor of Seattle. Legislators legislate. Shouldn't he be running for the state house? Or if he wants to influence state law from an executive post, isn't that the Governor's office?

It's nice to have helpful opinions about what the state law ought to be, but if it's wholly outside the scope of the office you're seeking, it's kind of a distraction. Remember how they mocked McGinn for running for mayor with a platform that included taking over and reforming Seattle schools, which aren't in the Mayor's purview?

Don't get me wrong. Harrell would make a kick ass legislator. Why not unseat Chopp next time around?
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on January 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM
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Stuff like this is why I think Harrell should be mayor. Can you imagine McGinn, or Steinbrueck, or Burgess, or Murray, giving half a shit about ex-cons who are trying to go straight? Harrell is the most populist of the bunch, and that's the kind of mayor we need.
Posted by Good for Bruce on January 25, 2013 at 5:42 PM
kitschnsync 3
A small quibble about word usage: This blog entry isn't really a fisking.

I'm not going to comb this whole stupid editorial line by line, as Goldy often does <-This is fisking.

Forgive my pedantry, please. Carry on.
Posted by kitschnsync on January 25, 2013 at 5:21 PM
gloomy gus 2
That's great, Cienna. You go ahead and tackle the Times Ed Board as much as you like. Seems like there's enough largely-unread foolishness there for plenty of posts for the two of you.
Posted by gloomy gus on January 25, 2013 at 5:09 PM
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Yes! The Times regularly cites "facts" and yet never clearly explains where that fact came from or references. You are supposed to take their word for it (and you really shouldn't).

The Times editorial board for, the most part, does sloppy or lazy work. This is especially true with editorials about education and it's hard to fathom. They are not dumb people so if you want to win an argument (or at least have people listen to your side), give complete information. Back up what you say with real information and yes, facts.
Posted by westello on January 25, 2013 at 4:54 PM

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