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Monday, January 21, 2013

Slavery Might Not Have Happened If Black Americans Had Been Given Right to Bear Arms

Posted by on Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:06 AM

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Pro-gun advocate Larry Ward has been making the rounds on cable news programs this week to promote his “Gun Appreciation Day” event and to criticize the Obama administration’s plans to introduce new legislation in the wake of the tragic elementary school massacre in Newtown, CT.
While Ward has largely been ridiculed for holding such an event, and for scheduling it on Martin Luther King’s holiday, in spite of the late civil rights leader’s legacy of non-violence, he has remained defiant.
“I believe ‘Gun Appreciation Day’ honors the legacy of Dr. King,” Ward argued during an appearance on CNN.
“I think Martin Luther King, Jr. would agree with me if he were alive today that if African Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from day one of the country’s founding, perhaps slavery might not have been a chapter in our history,” Ward added.
What this statement shockingly reveals is that the gun nuts now see themselves as victims, as an oppressed group, as people whose rights are being threatened by powerful forces. Gun nuts are identifying themselves with people who had no rights. Gun nuts see the ownership of guns as a right of rights. Gun nuts think they are only a gun away from slavery.

 

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Catalina Vel-DuRay 1
Well duh. Conservatism is entirely based on a victim mentality that seeks to absolve the adhearant from any responsibility for their actions, or self-introspection. They're always the victim. It's always someone else's fault. And their moral outrage is like a drug to them.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 21, 2013 at 9:25 AM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 2
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on January 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 3
They would have needed the guns in Africa where Black men were selling Black men to the White buyers.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on January 21, 2013 at 9:40 AM · Report this
mkyorai 4
“I think Martin Luther King, Jr. would agree with me if he were alive today that if African Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from day one of the country’s founding, perhaps slavery might not have been a chapter in our history,” Ward added.

Or, uh, I don't know... maybe Martin Luther King WOULD be alive today if we did a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unbalanced people who are determined to use them to kill people. The fact that he doesn't see the incongruity of referencing a guy who was shot down in a cold blooded assassination to defend the right for everyone to have a gun is... telling.
Posted by mkyorai on January 21, 2013 at 9:44 AM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 5
I love how every week they have a new argument, always dumber than the last. It's like your favorite trainwreck TV show.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on January 21, 2013 at 9:46 AM · Report this
DOUG. 6
Doesn't slavery pre-date this country's founding?
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on January 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM · Report this
Doctor Memory 7
The only proper response to this is:

"Ah, so you support the Black Panther Party then?"
Posted by Doctor Memory http://blahg.blank.org on January 21, 2013 at 9:58 AM · Report this
Zebes 8
"Slaves probably wouldn't have been slaves if we had given them more rights."
Posted by Zebes http://www.badrap.org/rescue/index.html on January 21, 2013 at 10:01 AM · Report this
Knat 9
And I bet Africans wouldn't have become slaves if they had jet packs to escape the slavers.

What other means can we come up with in which Africans could have escaped slavery, in wildly speculative and history-independent scenarios?
Posted by Knat on January 21, 2013 at 10:17 AM · Report this
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It doesn't show that they think they're an oppressed minority. It shows the same fallacy they've been promoting all along: that a gun is power, that an individual if armed can defeat evil. Whether that evil is a criminal, a tyrannical government or, apparently, a slave-owning society.

There's a strain of victimhood running through conservatism in general (it's implicit in a lot of Fox News rhetoric), but I don't see this argument as equating gun owners to slaves.
Posted by Centrists Rule the World today on January 21, 2013 at 10:17 AM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 11
The Black Panthers were successful in using the 2nd amendment to achieve true equality for black Americans not through speeches, appeals or marches, but through technological parity. Namely, you shoot us, we shoot you. I think it worked and was the beginning of a 30 year process that ended up with the respect needed to put Barack Obama in the White House.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on January 21, 2013 at 10:27 AM · Report this
Pithy Name 12
@11 - Right, and the non-violent MLK's martyrdom didn't contribute Barak Obama's presidency at all! Or the non-violent Civil Rights movement! Nah, it was all because people were afraid of armed black people.

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Posted by Pithy Name on January 21, 2013 at 10:35 AM · Report this
COMTE 13
I'm thinking maybe Ward shouldn't have seen "D'Jango, Unchained" right before making this asinine statement.
Posted by COMTE on January 21, 2013 at 10:41 AM · Report this
Jerry M. Ander 14
@11 The Black Panther Party succeeded in getting us stricter gun laws from Sacramento to Albany. Ironic, ain't it?
Posted by Jerry M. Ander on January 21, 2013 at 10:42 AM · Report this
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Conservatives have been moving more and more into the historically left/liberal terrain of whining and victimhood for a couple of decades. Now everyone's a bitchy aggrieved minority. Even bankers will pick up on it soon, though who knows, they probably already are going on CNBC moaning about being disrespected as a class. What a hopeless situation.
Posted by Billy Chav on January 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM · Report this
biffp 16
@11, what a miserable attempt to re-write history, Fox News was still this election cycle trying to use fear of black people to swindle people into voting for a ticket that didn't care about their interests. It's not working anymore. The RNC is going to have to make a legitimate effort reach out to minorities.
Posted by biffp on January 21, 2013 at 10:49 AM · Report this
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@4
The NRA would say that if MLK had a gun with him, he would have been able to defend himself and he'd be alive today. He's dead today because he was a non-violent, peace-loving liberal.
Posted by Clayton on January 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM · Report this
lauramae 19
The 2nd Amendment was written in an acquiescence to the states that had slavery. The "well-regulated militias" were in reference to the militias who put down any sort of rebellion by the people who were enslaved, or attempted to escape. Funny how that gets scrubbed from history.
Posted by lauramae on January 21, 2013 at 11:02 AM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 20
Seale then turned to the others. “All right, brothers, come on. We’re going inside.” He opened the door, and the radicals walked straight into the state’s most important government building, loaded guns in hand. No metal detectors stood in their way.

It was May 2, 1967, and the Black Panthers’ invasion of the California statehouse launched the modern gun-rights movement.


http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arch…
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on January 21, 2013 at 11:05 AM · Report this
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Does this guy know anything at all about Dr. King and the policy of passive resistance? Guns were out of the question. The ignorance expressed here is breath-taking.
Posted by Charlie Mas on January 21, 2013 at 11:14 AM · Report this
venomlash 22
What the actual fuck.
Posted by venomlash on January 21, 2013 at 11:15 AM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 23
"Conservatives have been moving more and more into the historically left/liberal terrain of whining and victimhood for a couple of decades. "

But here's the thing of it: liberal constituents have historically had a damn good reason to whine, and they were legitimately victims.

Conservatives, on the other hand,are largely white, Christian and male (joined of course by their long-suffering, dim-witted wives, and women who hate other women). They are not in the least oppressed in the traditional sense, and the hardship they do suffer they largely bring upon themselves by voting for sociopaths. But they live such dull little lives that supposing themselves victims is quite attractive to them.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on January 21, 2013 at 11:51 AM · Report this
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So, unless Larry Ward's nickname is "Gun Nuts", Charles is making a pretty broad generalization. But I suppose it's easy to make a group of people look stupid when you pick a quote from one of the dumbest people that identify with that group and attribute it to a few million other folks.

I don't think "Gun Nuts" see themselves as an oppressed group of people. I think they view themselves as a group of people who refuse to open themselves up to oppression. And for anyone who doesn't think that firearms have aided the Civil Rights movement, I suggest you do some research on the Black Panthers or the Monroe, NC chapter or the NAACP.

There's also a great little story about an african american fella named Robert F. WIlliams, who along with 1 passenger and a few firearms, were able to hold off a violent mob of racist rednecks that were aided by local police, until state troopers were able to escort themselves to safety.

Fact is, the gun-control movement began to keep guns out of the hands of minorities and newly freed slaves. Conversely, it's earliest opponents were civil rights groups and people of color who needed protection when the government either wouldn't help them, or were actively oppressing them. You can divorce guns from MLK, but they were an important part of the civil rights movement.
Posted by walter matthau on January 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM · Report this
HOT PUSSY 25
@15 "...historically left/liberal terrain of whining and victimhood..."

Cite needed.
Posted by HOT PUSSY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4QKiYar9pI on January 21, 2013 at 12:12 PM · Report this
26
So if the people who were captured in their homeland, shipped across the ocean in the holds of slaving ships, sold at auction and forced into a life of unpaid labor had been given guns by the people who did this to them, things might've gone differently. Jeez, it seems like the slave owners could've skipped a couple steps there and just not kidnapped those people and shipped them across the ocean in the first place.
Posted by Proteus on January 21, 2013 at 1:11 PM · Report this
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MLK wanted/needed firearms the way a fish needs a bicycle.

Firearms might have helped native Africans from becoming slaves in the first place, but it is more likely that the coast Africans would have received the guns first and just used them to bring more slaves from the interior.

Once they were in the United States, having the "right" to bear arms wouldn't have actually gotten them any arms without any means to procure them. As @26 points out, it isn't like anyone was going to give them firearms!

On the other hand, if the Aztecs had firearms when they met the Spaniards, we might all still be sacrificing virgins to various gods. (Maybe that would have ultimately been a better world, I don't know.)

Also, if the inhabitants of Hispanolia had firearms when Christopher Columbus came along, they might have been able to avert the destruction of their people. Same thing for the various tribes of Native Americans.
Posted by randoma on January 21, 2013 at 2:54 PM · Report this
HOT PUSSY 28
If the Natives of Hispaniola had had sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads they probably could've taken Columbus' ships back to Spain & stuck them up Queen Isabella's ass!
Posted by HOT PUSSY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4QKiYar9pI on January 23, 2013 at 10:35 AM · Report this

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