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Sunday, December 23, 2012

I Really Do Want Wayne LaPierre's Head on a Stick

Posted by on Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Again, figuratively. And to be clear, I don't even own a stick. But while my original post was more a show of solidarity with an academic under fire for the use of a metaphor, the more I think about National Rifle Association president Wayne LaPierre's disgraceful press conference, the more I really do want to see his head on a spit. Figuratively.

The NRA needs to fire LaPierre.

Really. That's the only responsible response to LaPierre's continued ranting, in which he blames just about everybody and anybody for our nation's epidemic of gun violence, except the firearms industry he represents. Indeed LaPierre, the head of the gun lobby, refuses to even participate in a rational debate:

President Barack Obama has tasked Vice President Joe Biden with the job of consulting with members of the Cabinet and outside organizations to come up with legislative proposals by next month.

When asked about this initiative, LaPierre said, “if it’s a panel that’s just going to be made up of a bunch of people that for the past 20 years has been trying to destroy the Second Amendment, I’m not interested in sitting on that panel…. The NRA is not going to let people lose the Second Amendment in this country.”

Gun owners do have rights, not the least of which being the right of having their opinions heard as lawmakers contemplate a legislative agenda. But LaPierre, allegedly representing America's gun owners, refuses to responsibly participate in this process. So if the NRA and its members want to be taken seriously—if they want to fulfill their civic obligations instead of obstructing them—then they need to end this embarrassment now, and fire LaPierre. Because it might be in the national interest for the people who know firearms best to make an honest contribution to the national conversation, instead of just allowing their interests to be misrepresented by a crazy, irrational ideologue.

LaPierre's head needs to roll. He needs to be hoisted on his own petard. They need to put LaPierre's head on a stick. And other violent metaphors that no sane person would ever interpret as a threat of actual violence.


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JonnoN 1
They should put him "in the crosshairs"

sorry, couldn't resist.
Posted by JonnoN on December 23, 2012 at 11:34 AM · Report this
For a job performance point of view, he is no different than the (former) ED of the Sierra Club. It is their *job* to advocate for the organization's issue, even if they sound slightly ridiculous. Calling for his head simply reveals you and the anti-gun nut counterparts ("gun grabbers" in their vernacular) do not have what it takes to fight him in the realm of public policy and debate; for 30 years the left still can't move beyond emotional talking points. All the liberals have done this time (and next time) is further polarize the debate and they will fail miserably in getting real reform in our gun laws. If Obama's record on financial reform and social security is any indicator, you are whistling past the graveyard. So to speak.
Posted by hmmmmm on December 23, 2012 at 11:43 AM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 3
You seem to be overestimating his role in this. He is the head of a private organization who offered up an opinion on a tragedy and suggested culprits such as video game violence from military style first person shooter games and the lack of adequate mental health screening.

As such, he is no more or less than a guy making web comments.

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe on December 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM · Report this
rob! 4
The NRA is not analogous to a model-railroading club or quilting circle. They're an industry trade group, and LaPierre is well paid to say what he says:
...As for salaries, fifty-six people in the organization earned more than $100,000 in 2010—and 10 made more than $250,000. Lapierre does not top the list. Kayne B. Robinson, the executive director of general operations does. He was paid just over $1 million. Lapierre was second, pulling in $970,000 in reportable and estimated comp. Chris W. Cox, the executive director of the group’s lobbying efforts, was third. He earned just over $666,000.……
Posted by rob! on December 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 5

But again, what does this have with our lawmakers inability to create a solution to the problem. I am sure there are just as powerful groups who have been challenging the expertise of the mental health institutions over the years...just walk down 2nd avenue.

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe on December 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM · Report this
If the NRA's influence is finally waning, offering it helpful suggestions is insane.
Posted by gloomy gus on December 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM · Report this
I believe Eric W. Dolan's October 8, 2012 write up of Maddow's commentary in the Raw Story, covers this:

On her show Monday night, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow accused the National Rifle Association of being far more interested in electing Republicans than defending Second Amendment rights.

[On October 4th, 2012], the NRA endorsed Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney and has now launched ads against President Barack Obama.

“The NRA is not looking to honestly compare the two candidate’s records on their one and only issue of gun rights,” Maddow said. “The NRA just wants the Republican. That is what they want. That’s why they exist. They are a Republican interest group and to describe them any other way is to play into their spin. The idea of how to advance their own interests is to get a Republican elected to office. And whatever you think about that in terms of its effectiveness on Republican politics, frankly, that stinks for people who really do care about gun policy, because they have the worst supposed advocates ever.”

Maddow noted that Romney actually endorsed strict gun laws and signed an assault weapons ban as governor of Massachusetts. Obama, on the other hand, has not signed any bills that restrict gun rights. To the contrary, the President has signed into law bills that allow for guns to be carried on Amtrak trains and in national parks.

Romney has previously described assault rifles as “instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.” But he began to shift his views in 2006, purchasing a lifetime membership from the NRA and telling reporters that he had gone “varmint” hunting.
Posted by The NRA Is A Republican Interest Group on December 23, 2012 at 12:24 PM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 8
The NRA isn't going to fire LaPierre, figuratively or literally. If anything, they'll promote him.

The Right does not operate by the same rules that the Center and Left have imposed upon themselves. When a Centrist President like Obama gets told that he has to fire Van Jones or can't nominate Susan Rice, he predictably caves. Did Bush ever cave on anything????He was completely wrong on just about everything from Iraq to the economy, but you could not get him to fire somebody simply by demanding it.

The NRA and the rest of the Right do not care what you think. You cannot shame them.

The NRA will convince the voting public to fire the NRA itself before it fires LaPierre.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on December 23, 2012 at 12:34 PM · Report this
Original Andrew 9
He should be taken out back and shot... figuratively, of course.
Posted by Original Andrew on December 23, 2012 at 12:44 PM · Report this
Reverse Polarity 10
@8 is correct. LaPierre is a disgrace of a human being, and his paranoid fantasy of putting cops in every school is insane, but the idea that the NRA will fire him is laughable. The NRA couldn't give a shit what anyone outside their bubble thinks or says, so long as the Supreme Court backs their cause and the politicians are afraid of them.

You can see this in his reaction. Most people think his idea is crazy, but he went on TV again this morning and doubled down on his mad plan to put armed cops in every school. He is not the least bit chagrined by the overwhelming criticism he has received since Friday. He never will be.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on December 23, 2012 at 12:44 PM · Report this
aureolaborealis 11
Isn't it "hoist by his own petard"? Where 'petard' is some kind of 'infernal machine' wot blows up, like, say, a bomb? What? This isn't the most important point?
Posted by aureolaborealis on December 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM · Report this
Original Andrew 12
Seriously, most of this nation's problems are caused by the fact that far-white, psychotic, asshole-submorons are not loudly denounced as far-white, psychotic, asshole-submorons.
Posted by Original Andrew on December 23, 2012 at 12:49 PM · Report this
How do you not know this?? the nra will NEVER give on anything. Thats the strategy. Tobacco started caving just a little in the 70's and look where they're at now. Good luck getting through that sea wall erosionists.
Posted by carsten coolage on December 23, 2012 at 1:12 PM · Report this
please stop complaining that the right does politics. the NRA is in my view evil, incoherent, and actively deceiving many of us, but from a political point of view they are wildly successful. You're asking them to stop. Why should they?

Instead, we need to get our own side successful in politics. While this includes pointing out the nra is evil, misguided and deceptive, and also their cohorts in congress, and to a large degree some of the millions of gun owners who fantasize the kippe you kay yay bruce willis fantasy....THAT's what NRA is selling them. THAT fantasy. it's powerful and addictive. also wayne is out there participating in the pbulic debate he just told gregory that no AW ban will work at all not one iota. why this stupid belief you can shame the other side into their civil obligation? don't you get politics? we have to have marches with the photo of little emily the cute one in front of the nra, we have to organize 5 million folks like the nra has, and we have to have powerful memes stories messages and talking points like the nra has. what we don't need is folks thinking we're going to convince them.
Posted by pleading with scorpions on December 23, 2012 at 1:17 PM · Report this
Free Lunch 15
LaPierre should be fired for making the NRA an anathema, thus weakening its hold on policy.
I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school - and to do it now...
Cartoonish police-state imagery aside, he's suggesting a government program whose budget would double even that of the TSA. If you're trying to shore up Republican support, advocating for government expansion is the wrong way to do it.

Such overreach is a sure indication that the NRA is living inside the feedback loop of its own extreme positions. They were so sure that the vast majority would see it their way, they didn't even bother to poll it.
Posted by Free Lunch on December 23, 2012 at 1:21 PM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 16
This falls on the voters. Apparently, voters like all the guns.
They've rolled back gun laws in thirty seven states. It's not extreme anymore until the voters decide otherwise. And they didn't seem to want a change after every other mass shooting. Face it. You and your children live in a shooting gallery. And that will remain true for your lifetimes.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on December 23, 2012 at 1:37 PM · Report this
Timrrr 17
After his radibly clueless performance on Meet the Press this morning I'm convinced this can only be explained as part of an elaborate, public suicide attempt on the part of the NRA.

Check it out: Wayne LaPierre on MtP

LaPierre --literally!-- starts foaming at the corners of his mouth half way through!
Posted by Timrrr on December 23, 2012 at 1:57 PM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 18

Does anyone know who the Lanzas voted for?
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe on December 23, 2012 at 2:03 PM · Report this
Well, they've done one thing right. Instead of talking about gun reform and mental health funding, everyone is all in a tizzy over the NRA's asinine ideas. If they can play the clown for the rest of the news cycle and maintain a distraction, good on them.
Posted by Garth B on December 23, 2012 at 2:05 PM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 20
@18 Nancy Lanza was a big collector of guns. How safe did she turn out to be?
Posted by Pope Peabrain on December 23, 2012 at 2:05 PM · Report this
zombie eyes 21
If you haven't yet, you really ought to take the time to watch Lawrence Odonnell's take on the NRA presser:…
Posted by zombie eyes on December 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 22
In the film Red Dawn, police registry of guns enables Cuban soldiers to locate every armed American.

Ever notice how the NRA and its supporters accuse all of their opponents of being Communist? Well, this is why.

Fear of a Leftist rising has driven gun nuts crazy since before independence. Early in our national history, we over-reacted to the French Revolution by passing laws such as the Alien and Sedition Acts. This effectively put a cop in everybody's head; the mere accusation of having the wrong ideology was enough to ruin a citizen's life. You could be extremist in the right direction - the Right direction. But not the Left. The Left was the big bugaboo lurking in the corner, the monster under America's bed.

during the Wilson administration, supporting the Left could get you lynched. Opposing the US' entry into WW I was fatal if you did it too openly. Wilson even jailed the guy who ran against him for the Presidency when he did that.

The fact that the NRA and the GOP are in the same bed is no accident. You could see the NRA as the armed wing of the Republican Party. The lynch mob that thinks that Red Dawn was non-fiction. Never mind that the USSR is long dead and that Cuba's version of Communism won't survive the death of Castro. or that Castro himself has one foot in the grave and probably won't make it another 5 years if he's lucky.

The NRA needs the spectre of Communism to drive its main ideological tool-fear. The NRA wants you to be very afraid. It wants you to believe that the government is coming for you. That you'll be forced into a Stalinist gulag if you don't buy lots and lots of guns. The NRA wants you to really think you could go toe-to-toe with the US government, shouting "Wolverines!", and that you might just have to very soon.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on December 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM · Report this
When I think of all the other public figures who get publicly excoriated with threatening metaphors on the internet, I'm wondering what the fuck makes LaPierre so special. Why should the FBI give more of a shit about him than any random liberal that some right-wing goon threatens?

I mean, think back to Caribou Barbie Palin and the ads with the crosshairs on Democratic Congressmen.

Anyway, let me add my peace-loving, liberal, internet alias to the list of people who would like to see LaPIerre's head on a stick/pike/platter/WW-I rifle. And you know what? I really don't care if it's metaphorical or not. So, please draw crosshairs on his picture and print it on the front page. (You know, "Live by the sword, die by the sword?") Let's get this conversation really going.

Okay, seriously, though, what would it take to start a campaign to repeal the Second Amendment? That seems to be the bottleneck preventing us living in a peaceful society, right there. Maybe it wasn't to start with, but the Court has expanded its interpretation to the point that sensible gun legislation is almost impossible. Do you know that there are probably over 10 million AR-15 pattern rifles in private hands in the U.S.? We've passed the critical mass point. A ban on new guns won't accomplish much of anything. Repeal the Second Amendment and let each state either add their own amendment to their constitutions or pass appropriate laws.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on December 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM · Report this
@23 "Okay, seriously, though, what would it take to start a campaign to repeal the Second Amendment?"

Nothing much; in fact I'd say you're already on your way...

Now, what would it take to successfully amend the Constitution to remove the Second Amendment? I believe that's simply unpossible.

Still, it may be that an Amendment clarifying or limiting the Second Amendment may be possible.
Posted by Not Quite Akhil Reed Amar on December 23, 2012 at 2:46 PM · Report this
"This falls on the voters. Apparently, voters like all the guns."

And the question that should be asked is "why".
Why do so many voters keep electing politicians who sign such legislation?
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on December 23, 2012 at 2:46 PM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 26
Well, I don't want LaPierre or anyone else's head on a stick.

There has been tension between Left and Right ever since Bacon's Rebellion a hundred years before the Revolutionary War. There have always been those with apocalyptic dreams of a major physical confrontation that have wanted to settle this dispute militarily. They seem to think that this struggle will go away if it is allowed to reach a climax in an act of mass violence.

That does not comport with history. Despite major armed flare-ups originating in class struggle such as the Civil War, the struggle continues, and ever will. Knowing that this disagreement will never end, I think that attempt to resolve it through violence are delusional, Pollyanna-ish fairy tales for the bloodthirsty set. You cannot win this conflict-the very idea of "winning" is based in the idea that by so doing said conflict will end, since you cannot tally up points and determine the winner till the end of the game. This game does not end, and therefore can have no winner.

Its better to resolve our differences in the political sphere, to continue this long and unending conflict between social classes in the legislature, wielding pens and paper and not guns or bullets. I'll grant that this doesn't satisfy the testosterone driven and primordial instincts developed over millennia of evolution, where spilling your opponent's blood was integral to your own survival. Our opponents are not cave bears, and we are not cave men. Contrary to our wiring as democracy may be, its the only logical response to an infinite struggle.

The difference between finite and infinite games is that the goal of the former is to end the game, and the goal of the latter is to extend play. Even if you kill the perpetrators of your opponent's ideology, the ideology itself does not die with your opponent. Therefore, it makes little sense to kill your opponent. it makes much more sense to address the ideology in debate.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on December 23, 2012 at 2:48 PM · Report this
If I had his head on stick it would pose a dilemma. Do I put the whole thing in the yard waste bin, or do I shake the head off the stick into the yard waste bin and recycle the stick?
Posted by kinaidos on December 23, 2012 at 3:16 PM · Report this
LaPierre is a fucking hypocritical moron. Afraid of Obama's police state, unwilling to pay for licensing or gun registration or (I'm guessing) any more taxes than absolutely necessary, but wanting someone to pay to put cops in every school, quite LITERALLY creating a police state.

I already knew he was a frigging idiot. After his speech on Friday I've found a remarkable number of my fellow gun-owners agreeing with me. Most of them didn't belong to the NRA anyway, so it might not cost him much, but he surely showed himself to be the fool to everyone not a member at the very least.
Posted by NateMan on December 23, 2012 at 3:20 PM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 29
@25 Maybe the question should be: Why do so many people who believe we need stricter gun laws not bother to vote?
Posted by Pope Peabrain on December 23, 2012 at 3:27 PM · Report this
Skye Blu 30
How about LaPierre's head photoshopped onto a pike? Or better yet an elephant's ass?…
Posted by Skye Blu on December 23, 2012 at 3:33 PM · Report this
Skye Blu 31…

anyone ever notice how many psychopaths are named Wayne?
Timothy Wayne Adams (Texas)
Thomas Wayne Akers (North Carolina)
Stephen Wayne Anderson (California)*
Joshua Wayne Andrews (Virginia)
David Wayne Arisman (California)
Timothy Wayne Barnett (Alabama)
Gerald Wayne Bivins (Indiana)
Scott Wayne Blystone (Pennsylvania)
Steven Wayne Bowman (South Carolina)
Ricky Wayne Brown (Florida)
Michael Wayne Brown (Oklahoma)
Bradley Wayne Cagle (Texas)
Seth Wayne Campbell (Texas)
Darren Wayne Campbell (Oregon)
Mark Wayne Campmire (Connecticut)
Ronald Wayne Clark, Jr. (Florida)
Douglas Wayne Clark (Texas)
Darryl Wayne Claughton (Alberta)
Kevin Wayne Coffey (Texas)
Michael Wayne Cole (North Carolina)
Joseph Wayne Cook (North Carolina)
Billy Wayne Cope (South Carolina)
Alvin Wayne Crane (Texas)*
David Wayne Crews (Tennessee)
Donald Wayne Darling II (Alabama)
Christopher Wayne Davis (Louisiana)
Gary Wayne Davis (Kentucky)
Jerry Wayne Dean (Kentucky)
Gary Wayne Drinkard (Arizona) (ACQUITTED at retrial after 5 years on death row)
Aryan Wayne Duntley (California)
John Wayne Duvall (Oklahoma)*
Dennis Wayne Eaton (Virginia)*
Dale Wayne Eaton (Colorado)
Michael Wayne Eggers (Alabama)
Gary Wayne Etheridge (Texas)
Michael Wayne Farmer (Maryland)
Ellis Wayne Felker (Georgia)*
Michael Wayne Fisher (Pennsylvania)
Terry Wayne Freeman (Illinois)
Percy Wayne Froman (Alabama)
Ronald Wayne Frye (North Carolina)*
Morris Wayne Givens (Alabama)
Richard Wayne Godwin (Oregon)
Arthur Wayne Goodman, Jr. (Texas)
Richard Wayne Gorrie (New Zealand)
Jeffrey Wayne Gorton (Michigan)
Coleman Wayne Gray (Virginia)*
Christopher Wayne Gregory (Texas)
Ralph Wayne Grimes (Kentucky)
Anthony Wayne Grimm (Illinois)
Randall Wayne Hafdahl (Texas)*
Conan Wayne Hale (Oregon)
Kenneth Wayne Hall Sr. (South Carolina)
Michael Wayne Hall (Texas)
Steven Wayne Hall (Alabama)
Jerald Wayne Harjo (Oklahoma)*
Robert Wayne Harris (Texas)
Carl Wayne Heath (Maine)
Brandon Wayne Hedrick (Virginia)
Michael Wayne Henry (Texas)
Rodney Wayne Henry (Kansas)
Donald Wayne Holt (Maryland)
Bryant Wayne Howard (Oregon)
Kenneth Wayne Jackson (Texas)
Allen Wayne Jenecka (Texas)*
Mark Wayne Jennings (Virginia)
Robert Wayne Jiles (New York)
Terry Wayne Johnson (Florida)
Jason Wayne Johnson (Texas)
Mark Wayne Jones (Ohio)
Bruce Wayne Koenig (Maryland)
Derrick Wayne Kualapai, Sr. (California)
Dudley Wayne Kyzer (Alabama)
Monty Wayne Lamb (Texas)
Jeffrey Wayne Leaf (Oklahoma)
Christopher Wayne Lippard (North Carolina)
Kenny Wayne Lockwood (Texas)*
Mark Wayne Lomax (Texas)
Shelly Wayne Martin (Maryland)
Donald Wayne Martin (Texas)*
Steven Wayne McBride (Minnesota)
George Wayne McBroom (Arizona)
David Wayne McCall (Texas)
Rocky Wayne McGowan (Kentucky)
Jason Wayne McVean (Colorado)
Wesley Wayne Miller (Texas)
Jimmy Wayne Miller (Texas)
John Wayne Moore, Jr. (Missouri)
John Wayne Moses (North Carolina)
Jack Wayne Napier (Kentucky)
Danny Wayne Owens (Alabama)
Bryan Wayne Padd (Arizona)
David Wayne Pallister (England)
Jeffrey Wayne Paschall (Utah)
Michael Wayne Perry (Tennessee)
Jason Wayne Petershagen (Texas)
Curtis Wayne Pope (Texas)
Donald Wayne Rainey (Mexico)
Randy Wayne Richards (Canada)
Robert Wayne Rotramel (Oklahoma)
David Wayne Satterfield (Texas)
Christopher Wayne Scarber (Kentucky)
Michael Wayne Sears (Virginia)
Dallas Wayne Shults (Tennessee)
Mark Wayne Silvers (South Carolina)
David Wayne Smith (Virginia)
Daryl Wayne Smith (West Virginia)
Richard Wayne Smith (Texas)*
Richard Wayne Snell (Arkansas)*
Richard Wayne Spicknall (Alabama)
Randall Wayne Stevens (Illinois)
John Wayne Stockdall (Missouri)
Michael Wayne Summers (Missouri)
Gary Wayne Sutton (Tennessee)
Bobby Wayne Swisher (Virginia)*
Michael Wayne Thompson (Indiana)
Andrew Wayne Toler (Texas)
Robert Wayne Vickers (Arizona)*
Billy Wayne Waldrop (Alabama)*
Jerry Wayne Walker (Kentucky)
Anthony Wayne Walker (Ohio)
Daniel Wayne Warfield (Virginia)
Louis Wayne Watters, Jr. (Texas)
Coy Wayne Wesbrook (Texas)
Larry Wayne White (Texas)*
Michael Wayne Williams (Virginia)
Richard Wayne Willoughby (Maryland)
Kenneth Wayne Woodfin (Virginia)
Bobby Wayne Woods (Texas)
Darrell Wayne Wright (Texas)
William Wayne Wright (Texas)
Posted by Skye Blu on December 23, 2012 at 3:42 PM · Report this
The NRA has NO place on the commission, their leadership is deluded and in the pockets of the weapons industry .. police and the military can provide all the expertise needed for the weaponry. There are sports groups who can help with the wording so that sports weapons don’t get included in legislation. The NRA is making themselves obsolete and soon only complete wing-nuts will be left .. their not wanting to participate does a disservice to the majority of their member who are actually sane and want some changes made.
Posted by olive oyl on December 23, 2012 at 3:58 PM · Report this
Yep. It works either way it's phrased.
For some reason, the people who vote against gun control outnumber the people who vote for gun control.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on December 23, 2012 at 4:08 PM · Report this
Leave the head on the stick and set it out for the raccoons.

If anyone thinks there's even a tiny possibility that a campaign to amend the Second Amendment would work, just remember who's on the Supreme Court.
Posted by sarah70 on December 23, 2012 at 4:19 PM · Report this
thatsnotright 35
The NRA has long since purged any moderate voices from its power structure. Any member who proposes even moderate changes to the status quo is harrassed into submission. Look at the comment section of any pro-gun blog. Analogs might be Stalinism, Scientology, and the GOP.
Posted by thatsnotright on December 23, 2012 at 4:19 PM · Report this
Fnarf 36
I disagree, Goldy. I don't want the NRA to fire LaPierre. Quite the opposite; I want him to RAMP IT UP. Bring a gun to your weekly presser and fire shots at the ceiling. Go after a protester and bite them on the throat. Start issuing statements explicitly comparing Obama to Hitler -- not comparing him; saying he IS Hitler. Call wavering Republicans "Judas". Call for an armed insurrection, with a rank of a hundred armed soldiers in a uniform of his own design. Storm the Capitol at dawn. Come on, you beauty, GET IT OUT THERE.
Posted by Fnarf on December 23, 2012 at 4:21 PM · Report this
balderdash 37
He doesn't need to be fired from the NRA. He's a perfect representative for their "Sell more guns and damn the consequences" mission.

The NRA needs to be fired from national politics. In fact, I rather want this clown to keep up his objectively ridiculous ranting so that more and more people start to see the NRA for what it is. It's not a civil rights group. There's this perception among conservatives that it's more or less the right's equivalent of the ACLU, and the more they come to realize that it's an industry lobby, the less cohesion American gun fanaticism will have.
Posted by balderdash on December 23, 2012 at 4:30 PM · Report this
@34 "If anyone thinks there's even a tiny possibility that a campaign to amend the Second Amendment would work, just remember who's on the Supreme Court."

The Supreme Court has no part in the amendment process. They only matter to the extent that they would get to interpret whatever the amendment actually says.
Posted by Not Quite Akhil Reed Amar on December 23, 2012 at 4:33 PM · Report this
@32 I agree that sport shooting and hunting are fine with the vast majority of people who want to reduce gun homicides, whether left wing or right wing. Few people are at the extremes like Wayne LaPierre who seems sure that "they want to take all our guns away" is the only agenda. I'd like some real solutions that work not these non-solutions. Countries with violent video games have lower gun violence rates than the US. Columbine, Virginia Tech and other had armed security. These are not REALISTIC solutions. Storing assault rifles at sporting clubs and not allowing them outside would make more sense. Limiting bullet manufacture and magazine sizes are also worth considering. Let's discuss solutions that can work!
Posted by Dan B on December 23, 2012 at 4:48 PM · Report this
an amendment to repeal the second would not work. an amendment to clarify it by adding words may work. starting with this:
Individuals have a right to bear and keep arms consistent with needs for public safety, and congress or the states may for that purpose ban particular classes of weapons, including but not limited to numchuks, mustrard gas, automatic weapons, tanks, bazookas, nuclear weapons and semi automatic weapons, and include reasonable licensing requirements or reasonable limits on ammunition, number of weapons, and manner of keeping, bearing or storing same, and bans on arms in particular places or types of property. further, the well regulated militia being necessary to public safety, congress or the states may require those keeping or bearing arms to participate in militia activities for defense of the public safety from all enemies foreign or domestic, organized or unorganized.

There. That should do it. Let gun owners start patrolling schools if they want to be part ofa militia but they also have to patrol south side and compton and get us some fucking safety that they've told us for decades their fucking guns would provide. The PUBLIC component of the second amendment isn't being emphasized enough. combine that with bans on automatic weapons, semi automatics, andother canadian style gun control, you end up with say ten million guns not 280 million, gun death rates like canada, etc.

Posted by amendment 2.1 on December 23, 2012 at 5:17 PM · Report this
I'm not crazy with the idea of repealing constitutional rights. Those are our rights, man! The Supreme Court and Congress have already done enough to whittle down the Bill of Rights. We don't need to actually start excising and removing them in their entirety.
Posted by floater on December 23, 2012 at 5:22 PM · Report this
One thing's for sure, the NRA won't be getting any more of my money until they find a more reasonable, or at least more reasonable sounding, spokesmen. I'm not a Wayne LaPierre style gun owner, I'm more of a Lindsay Graham type guy if you know what I mean . . .
Posted by Ken Mehlman on December 23, 2012 at 5:29 PM · Report this
Take that photo of the little blue eye girl victim and give it the caption "If you want my future, you are going to have to pry it out of my cold dead fingers."

Yes, we do have to do something and it is time that our spineless politicians stop quaking in their boots in front of the NRA.

The hopeful news is that the recent tragedy just might be the gun lobby's "Matthew Shepard moment".
Posted by PaulBarwick on December 23, 2012 at 5:36 PM · Report this
@34 I exactly remember who's on the Supreme Court. Repealing the Second Amendment is the only way to remove that issue from their purview. Of course, pigs will fly before that happens, but didn't we say that about gay marriage?
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on December 23, 2012 at 7:05 PM · Report this

I can't find anything Wayne LaPierre to shoot at. I'll have to just print some pictures. The man is the SCUM of the earth, representing the $NRA$. Just think of how that reflects upon the character of NRA member who won't quit in protest.
Posted by jcallaghanjr on May 7, 2013 at 5:47 AM · Report this

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