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News & ArtsThursday, December 13, 2012
Hetero Today in Traditional Marriage
Posted by Dan Savage on Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:59 AM
"No sex until marriage," Joe Jervis reminds us. And it's "one man, one woman, FOR LIFE!"
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So what is your point, Danny?
That Track Palin (who is that, even...) is a hypocrite?
We've never heard of Track.
Is he a prominent public figure advocating abstinence before marriage and monogamy thereafter?
Really?
Does he work for the CDC?
What, exactly, is your point, Danny?
What does it have to do with Traditional Marriage, Danny?
Do you gloat over cultural trends that tear down the stability of Traditional Marriage?
Spite and Gloating are ugly traits, Danny. We feel sorry for you.
Do you thrill to see broken marriages?
Unmarried women pregnant?
Babies born outside marriage?
Divorce? (especially in families with young children! is it giving you a boner, Danny?)
What is your point, Danny?
That Track Palin (who is that, even...) is a hypocrite?
We've never heard of Track.
Is he a prominent public figure advocating abstinence before marriage and monogamy thereafter?
Really?
Does he work for the CDC?
What, exactly, is your point, Danny?
What does it have to do with Traditional Marriage, Danny?
Do you gloat over cultural trends that tear down the stability of Traditional Marriage?
Spite and Gloating are ugly traits, Danny. We feel sorry for you.
Do you thrill to see broken marriages?
Unmarried women pregnant?
Babies born outside marriage?
Divorce? (especially in families with young children! is it giving you a boner, Danny?)
What is your point, Danny?
2
I love the first comment: "I bet all the gheys getting married in WA destroyed the sanctity of their marriage." Hilarious.
5
And Danny, when The Kid fucks up (and all kids do) who will post the bitter gloating sneering venom-filled posts celebrating the fact?
Will you be handling that yourself (you ARE very good at it....) or will the job be farmed out?
Will you be handling that yourself (you ARE very good at it....) or will the job be farmed out?
6
I thought those kids really had a chance.
Meanwhile my husband and have been gay married (i use the term gay married in an olde timey way to denote happiness, and also we're gay) 4 years with no plans to divorce.
Meanwhile my husband and have been gay married (i use the term gay married in an olde timey way to denote happiness, and also we're gay) 4 years with no plans to divorce.
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"(monogamy),FOR LIFE!"
what a hoot!
right, Danny?
you know, when a Man loves a Woman he (LITERALLY) can't imagine cheating on her.
Love is that way.
it must not have been that way for you and Terry,
judging from your comments.
that is so sad.
we really don't understand what it is
that makes a man think he is attracted to another man
but we must take your word for it
that it is nothing like the Love a Man feels for a Woman.
so so sad.
oh gosh.
something else to feel sorry for you about.
what a hoot!
right, Danny?
you know, when a Man loves a Woman he (LITERALLY) can't imagine cheating on her.
Love is that way.
it must not have been that way for you and Terry,
judging from your comments.
that is so sad.
we really don't understand what it is
that makes a man think he is attracted to another man
but we must take your word for it
that it is nothing like the Love a Man feels for a Woman.
so so sad.
oh gosh.
something else to feel sorry for you about.
8
I rather enjoyed this comment on the JMG page:
"Having a baby out of wedlock "qualified" Bristol Palin as an Abstinance Educator, now Track can be a Marriage Counselor."
"Having a baby out of wedlock "qualified" Bristol Palin as an Abstinance Educator, now Track can be a Marriage Counselor."
15
@1,5,7 (Troll): Seriously, dude. Go fuck yourself until you die.
I'm straight, married 31 years to my one and only, and a firm believer in the dignity and equality of every person (although I must admit, you are making me wonder if I should make an exception). No marriage affects my marriage, and I don't care what anyone else, gay, straight, kinky, whatever, does in the privacy of their own bedroom, as long as all parties are willing, capable of consent, and it doesn't require emergency responders or police reports.
Marriage is a commitment. It's not about sex. At least until your Evangeliban gains power and starts locking up fornicators, anyone can fuck around with anyone else whose mutual fancy they meet. Marriage is about life, sharing your life with someone. It's romantic, it's emotional, it's financial, it's a partnership in living. Sex is optional, but whether or not any couple indulges or forgoes it, is none of your fucking business, so you should quit stressing about it.
I'm straight, married 31 years to my one and only, and a firm believer in the dignity and equality of every person (although I must admit, you are making me wonder if I should make an exception). No marriage affects my marriage, and I don't care what anyone else, gay, straight, kinky, whatever, does in the privacy of their own bedroom, as long as all parties are willing, capable of consent, and it doesn't require emergency responders or police reports.
Marriage is a commitment. It's not about sex. At least until your Evangeliban gains power and starts locking up fornicators, anyone can fuck around with anyone else whose mutual fancy they meet. Marriage is about life, sharing your life with someone. It's romantic, it's emotional, it's financial, it's a partnership in living. Sex is optional, but whether or not any couple indulges or forgoes it, is none of your fucking business, so you should quit stressing about it.
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thank you for your kind words of support.
we are not sure what your issue is with what we posted but thank you just the same.
thank you for your kind words of support.
we are not sure what your issue is with what we posted but thank you just the same.
17
I have to admit, Slog would be duller without the troll around. Post #1 is a masterpiece in bitter bloviation.
18
@11 I dunno, I rather enjoy anontroll. He's clearly incredibly gay for Danny, but he just can't bring himself to admit it. I'm sure he just tells himself the boner her gets as he types is for Bristol Palin and not a throbbing homotastic fire burning out of control.
22
@11 No one cares that much, since we can just scroll past the little gray bar if we don't want to see the stupid. We just need a few people to throw themselves on those grenades and announce in a real comment the rare cases that an anonymous comment is by someone else and worth reading.
Also, as @18 says, there's the fun of calling out the obvious closet case, if you like that sort of thing.
Also, as @18 says, there's the fun of calling out the obvious closet case, if you like that sort of thing.
23
@20 I suck at statistics. Do we have a large enough Palinsample (n-sub-Palin?) yet to do a T-test?
I'm sure you'll be proved right, but we may have to endure a few more years of news like this to shore up the numbers.
I'm sure you'll be proved right, but we may have to endure a few more years of news like this to shore up the numbers.
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Being Anon is,I think, kind of freeing for the troll. Now that he's banned he can go on and on and on and on to his heart's content. And I'm sure he's ever so grateful when some one decides to click on his little grey bar and give him the crumbs of attention he's dying for. Poor troll.
28
The only person who called me "Danny" was my mother. Sometime when I miss my mom I skim through anontroll's comments scanning for my name.
29
@28, Did she do the full DANIAL KEENAN SAVAGE! thing when she was mad at you? I can imitate my mom doing my name like that perfectly. But then I sorta scare myself, so I stop.
30
The troll is a sore loser. There never was such a thing as "traditional" nor "natural" nor "biblical" marriage. And it takes Gay Americans to show that. Mr Savage does so by using the term (T.M.) and then showing it's fallacy when the light of reality hits it. Oh well such is life. The minority often clarifies the debate so the majority can understand it fully.
Troll baby doll, cry it out, cry it out...
Troll baby doll, cry it out, cry it out...
31
@7 -
you know, when a Man loves a Woman he (LITERALLY) can't imagine cheating on her.Nonsense. Many a decent man has managed to not cheat on a woman, and there are probably sexual acts and arrangements within some marriages that some would consider cheating and some would not. But love for a woman does not erase the drive to have sex with other women (though it may be the basis of a contract wherein one agrees not to do anything to sate that drive).
32
Well said, Brooklyn Reader.
Keep up the good work, Christian Left individual. I'm grateful to "hear" your voice.
Kind regards.
k
Keep up the good work, Christian Left individual. I'm grateful to "hear" your voice.
Kind regards.
k
33
@4 - My theory is that the troll is Queen Elizabeth II of England. Who else is so irrationally entrenched in the old ways and refers to herself in the plural? Also, has a lot of free time and doesn't seem to understand how American politics actually work.
38
Never been married, but I have never, ever cheated on someone I was in a committed relationship. It isn't that tough.
40
Hey @33 back off of my monarch, dude. At least QE II has class, which is pretty much the job for a head of state. Our troll here on the other hand is the anti-tact.
41
This "FOR LIFE!" statement should only remind conservatives and religious groups that they are free to consider gay marriage invalid if they like, just as they're free to consider divorces invalid if they like. No one requires the Catholic Church to perform second marriage ceremonies for people who have been divorced
43
@40 - She has class in public when her name and face are all over everything, but on the internet, she's free as a bird to be a total jackass.
45
@44 - I'm just happy to give her majesty an outlet for all her frustrations. I do wonder, though, if internet trolling falls under the purview of the monarch in general. When she dies, will Charles or William take over, or will we simply have to do without an anonymous troll?
46
@28 Geez, Dan. Seriously? If so, that's both adorable and pathetic. Perhaps you could delegate this to a better class of Slogger. Perhaps Kim or Ms. Vel-Duray would do it.
47
@45 Seems like Charles is about the right age to take over. The princes need to be out there sowing their wild scandals for a while, not hunched over a keyboard.
48
Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, Trig, Britta, and Tripp. What a parade of white trash names.
Best part though is that Britta (ugh) is the daughter of a Reverend. That religion stuff really works in keeping kids in line!
Best part though is that Britta (ugh) is the daughter of a Reverend. That religion stuff really works in keeping kids in line!
49
#1 Dumbass - the point is they are not capable of living up to the unrealistic expectations they expect of others. This is not hard.
51
@troll:
"you know, when a Man loves a Woman he (LITERALLY) can't imagine cheating on her."
I am madly in love with my wife and would never cheat on her in a million years.
As I write this, I am (LITERALLY) imagining cheating on her.
With Jesus.
Guess I just have a better imagination than most guys, eh?
"you know, when a Man loves a Woman he (LITERALLY) can't imagine cheating on her."
I am madly in love with my wife and would never cheat on her in a million years.
As I write this, I am (LITERALLY) imagining cheating on her.
With Jesus.
Guess I just have a better imagination than most guys, eh?
53
"you know, when a Man loves a Woman he (LITERALLY) can't imagine cheating on her."
Just ask Mark Sanford, Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde, Chip Pickering, John Ensign, Vic Fossella, Larry Craig, Donald Sherwood, Ed Schrock, Donald "Buzz" Lukens, Dan Crane, David Vitter, and the list goes on and on.
Just ask Mark Sanford, Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde, Chip Pickering, John Ensign, Vic Fossella, Larry Craig, Donald Sherwood, Ed Schrock, Donald "Buzz" Lukens, Dan Crane, David Vitter, and the list goes on and on.
54
ask them what?
the world is full of cheating scum.
hetero. homo. bi. tri.....
there are also lots of people who actually love their spouse and are faithful (emotionally as well as sexually)
you girls seem to have missed or forgotten the point- people in love with their spouse do not advocate adultery for themselves.
the world is full of cheating scum.
hetero. homo. bi. tri.....
there are also lots of people who actually love their spouse and are faithful (emotionally as well as sexually)
you girls seem to have missed or forgotten the point- people in love with their spouse do not advocate adultery for themselves.
55
These kinds of advertisements supposedly in support of "traditional" marriage remain unbelievable. How many Flatters have to sail around the world before it becomes round?
56
@54: You keep saying "faithful", but you seem to be more talking about exclusivity. Are you just a joyless doucherectum who hates threesomes?
57
@1: "Is he a prominent public figure advocating abstinence before marriage and monogamy thereafter?"
Yes, several members of his family used themselves as an example of these virtues while making a fulltime living on their family's moral purity.
Yes, several members of his family used themselves as an example of these virtues while making a fulltime living on their family's moral purity.
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@31: When he said "you know, when a Man loves a Woman he (LITERALLY) can't imagine cheating on her."
He honestly believes it, not having ever been in a loving relationship.
He honestly believes it, not having ever been in a loving relationship.
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