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Media Why Is the Murdoch Owned Press So Consistently Anti-Semitic?
Posted by Goldy on Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:00 AM
Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
— Rupert Murdoch(@rupertmurdoch) November 18, 2012
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how civilized.
what would france do if a thousand spanish rockets fell on paris in the past week?
and if spanish rockets had been regularly periodically falling on france for 30 years?
and if spanish terrorist regularly murdered hundreds of thousands of the french?
(we suspect france would capitulate without a struggle but are curious what you think....)
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actually france hid behind a defensive shield of american and w german and british nato military forces while american aid rebuilt western europe into a prosperous (and more free) society.
you're welcome.
how civilized.
what would france do if a thousand spanish rockets fell on paris in the past week?
and if spanish rockets had been regularly periodically falling on france for 30 years?
and if spanish terrorist regularly murdered hundreds of thousands of the french?
(we suspect france would capitulate without a struggle but are curious what you think....)
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actually france hid behind a defensive shield of american and w german and british nato military forces while american aid rebuilt western europe into a prosperous (and more free) society.
you're welcome.
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Hey sarah70 @24, the persecution that Jewish people went through for centuries was wrong, and I can see why they dreamt of having a country of their own.
But a) it's wrong to create a religion-based boundary. Just look at the India-Pakistan partition of 1945. It doesn't work. And it's wrong because it encourages segregation instead of other way around.
b) no matter how much one group of people suffered, it doesn't give them the right to oppress another group of people. I'll never understand what gave the British any right to mandate a state to house outsiders (i.e. other than the original Jewish population) in the middle of a region where no one wanted it in the first place - say, how would you feel if similar thing happened in the middle of North America? - But that was a crazy world back then when imperialism didn't seem as crazy as it did now. So, that being aside, as much as I empathise with the plight of the Jewish people, Palestinian plight is no less deserving of sympathy and outrage.
But a) it's wrong to create a religion-based boundary. Just look at the India-Pakistan partition of 1945. It doesn't work. And it's wrong because it encourages segregation instead of other way around.
b) no matter how much one group of people suffered, it doesn't give them the right to oppress another group of people. I'll never understand what gave the British any right to mandate a state to house outsiders (i.e. other than the original Jewish population) in the middle of a region where no one wanted it in the first place - say, how would you feel if similar thing happened in the middle of North America? - But that was a crazy world back then when imperialism didn't seem as crazy as it did now. So, that being aside, as much as I empathise with the plight of the Jewish people, Palestinian plight is no less deserving of sympathy and outrage.
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OK, Sarah70, I'll answer your question the way you ask it.
What would France do if a Spanish rocket fell into France ? France would send its best investigators, civilians and military, to help Spanish forces discover which nutjob did it, how, with whose help ; and all those pretty people would end up being judged, and condemned to life in jail, in Spain. None of them would be killed, nor their families hunted. There would be a round of politicians from both countries demonstrating Franco-Spanish unshatterable friendship. There would be programs in schools in both countries on how France and Spain are friends forever.
Now, answer my question, Sarah70 : what would Haifa do if a Tel-Aviv inhabitant bombed it ? Would Haifa plane-bomb Tel-Aviv, to destroy Tel-Aviv infrastructure, bridges, whatever, in order to prevent all Tel-Avivis to ever bomb Haifa again ? At the risk of killing Tel-Aviv inhabitants and children ? How would Tel-Aviv react then, if Haifa had retaliated with force, because a criminal nutjob from Tel-Aviv had sent a bomb into Haifa ?
What would France do if a Spanish rocket fell into France ? France would send its best investigators, civilians and military, to help Spanish forces discover which nutjob did it, how, with whose help ; and all those pretty people would end up being judged, and condemned to life in jail, in Spain. None of them would be killed, nor their families hunted. There would be a round of politicians from both countries demonstrating Franco-Spanish unshatterable friendship. There would be programs in schools in both countries on how France and Spain are friends forever.
Now, answer my question, Sarah70 : what would Haifa do if a Tel-Aviv inhabitant bombed it ? Would Haifa plane-bomb Tel-Aviv, to destroy Tel-Aviv infrastructure, bridges, whatever, in order to prevent all Tel-Avivis to ever bomb Haifa again ? At the risk of killing Tel-Aviv inhabitants and children ? How would Tel-Aviv react then, if Haifa had retaliated with force, because a criminal nutjob from Tel-Aviv had sent a bomb into Haifa ?
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@31 France has helped build the European Community so that all its neighbours are FRIENDS and wealthy enough to never want to engage in a war against France anymore.
That's what Israeli conservatives what to prevent from happening. Oppress your neighbour ; your neighbour will bomb you. And your population will vote conservative. Extremists, like Israeli conservatives, Hamas, Bush, Al-Qaeda are always interested in having whatever differences escalate into a war. People living in peace shy away from extremists. People in wars or in dire poverty run to join them.
That's what Israeli conservatives what to prevent from happening. Oppress your neighbour ; your neighbour will bomb you. And your population will vote conservative. Extremists, like Israeli conservatives, Hamas, Bush, Al-Qaeda are always interested in having whatever differences escalate into a war. People living in peace shy away from extremists. People in wars or in dire poverty run to join them.
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@31, Why would you expect the US neighbors to start lobbing rockets across the border out of the blue. THAT is a strawman if I ever saw one.
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I assume he was referring to the NY Times here, but isn't that owned by shareholders? The publisher and chairman of the board is a guy named Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., which sounds pretty Jewish, but it turns out he's Episcopalian.
I bet at home Murdoch has one of those cheery children's world maps from the 60s, featuring an Africa with smiling, cartoon tribesmen, and a New York that's sprouting a menorah.
I bet at home Murdoch has one of those cheery children's world maps from the 60s, featuring an Africa with smiling, cartoon tribesmen, and a New York that's sprouting a menorah.
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@26: you're ignoring the question at hand by putting up strawmen. What WOULD the US do if a contiguous country (in this case, Canada or Mexico) started shooting rockets into the US?
If you want to widen that example, what would France do? What would Germany do? What would ANY country do in such a case? Just ignore those rockets? Not bloody likely.
If you want to widen that example, what would France do? What would Germany do? What would ANY country do in such a case? Just ignore those rockets? Not bloody likely.
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@2- Murdock specializes in calling a spade a diamond. His massive right wing media operation constantly rants about how liberals dominate the media.
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... and Goldy shows his class by not acknowledging that maybe he was premature in flaming 8/9. He's read the responses by now, but no apology will be forthcoming.
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Maybe he was just talking about Haaretz.
@19,
South Africa was embroiled in guerrilla warfare for three decades. Nelson Mandela co-founded the terrorist organization Umkhonto we Sizwe.
@19,
South Africa was embroiled in guerrilla warfare for three decades. Nelson Mandela co-founded the terrorist organization Umkhonto we Sizwe.
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Hey, 19: "let's see what the US would do if 800+ missles were launched into it from another country, all targeting civilian areas."
Of course, it is easy to ignore that more often than not, it is the US raining down bombs, and drones in other countries. Case in point, Afghanistan, the totally unwarranted war in Iraq, the drone attacks in Yemen and Pakistan. So, only US and Israel hold the right to retaliation? Of course, human life is a little less human when it is in far-off terrorist sounding places.
Of course, it is easy to ignore that more often than not, it is the US raining down bombs, and drones in other countries. Case in point, Afghanistan, the totally unwarranted war in Iraq, the drone attacks in Yemen and Pakistan. So, only US and Israel hold the right to retaliation? Of course, human life is a little less human when it is in far-off terrorist sounding places.
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@19, "Do your homework, or STFU"
I do realize that showing up is said to be 50% of success but I'd give you a big fat 0 for that homework of yours, as almost none of your talking points are factual.
I do realize that showing up is said to be 50% of success but I'd give you a big fat 0 for that homework of yours, as almost none of your talking points are factual.
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Where does this soul business come from? Israel's a country like any other; it's simply a country of Jews (the only one). There are several dozen of countries of Muslims; is anyone worried about those countries' souls? Or Christian countries' souls? Israel was formed not to carry out some sort of moral experiment; it was a haven for a people who hadn't been allowed to live in peace in other countries. The peace thing didn't work out very well but at least no one in Israel calls you a dirty Jew. That's enough to fight for.
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What is the Jewish owned press? HEY are you guys at the Stranger ALL Jews?
Goldy, Was Murdoch suggesting ALL press is Jewish owned, or simply that the Media that IS Jewish owned is anti-Israel.
Not all press is Jewish owned, I don't think Murdoch was suggesting otherwise.
Goldy, Was Murdoch suggesting ALL press is Jewish owned, or simply that the Media that IS Jewish owned is anti-Israel.
Not all press is Jewish owned, I don't think Murdoch was suggesting otherwise.
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Not intentionally stupid, just something lost in the translation.
Fresh off an argument with someone about being called anti-semetic because I was concerned about the moral path Israel was taking I reacted to the content of Murdock's message without looking are your context. On the way I completely missed his "Jewish owned".
Fresh off an argument with someone about being called anti-semetic because I was concerned about the moral path Israel was taking I reacted to the content of Murdock's message without looking are your context. On the way I completely missed his "Jewish owned".
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Much as I loathe to give Murdoch the benefit of the doubt in any matter, I suppose you could read that tweet that he was condemning only outlets with some Jewish viewpoints or ownership, rather than a blanket statement on all media. But, probably not, and in any case, seriously, fuck him!
The biggest antisemitic meme was "Jewish bankers," until right-wingers started in on media and Hollywood. The fact is, this is plain old antisemitism. "Jewish bankers" as the blame for the world's economic problems is still a current cry, but it's total bullshit. Chase? Citi? Bank of America? Wells Fargo? American Express? The largest banks in America, if not the world? Nope. They won't even hire Jewish executives. There's a glass ceiling for Jews employed at mainline and major investment banks.
As for the Mainstream Media? Disney (owner of ABC)? Westinghouse (parent of CBS)? General Electric (parent of NBC)? Fox? These are not Jewish owned businesses. Nope.
Hollywood? Okay, there are some prominent names there, but the majority shareholders? The usual (non-Jewish) banking institutions, no doubt.
Lies, bugbears and scapegoats. Why does this shit still resonate with such a large swath of the nominally Christian population? Dial down the endemic hate, people!
The biggest antisemitic meme was "Jewish bankers," until right-wingers started in on media and Hollywood. The fact is, this is plain old antisemitism. "Jewish bankers" as the blame for the world's economic problems is still a current cry, but it's total bullshit. Chase? Citi? Bank of America? Wells Fargo? American Express? The largest banks in America, if not the world? Nope. They won't even hire Jewish executives. There's a glass ceiling for Jews employed at mainline and major investment banks.
As for the Mainstream Media? Disney (owner of ABC)? Westinghouse (parent of CBS)? General Electric (parent of NBC)? Fox? These are not Jewish owned businesses. Nope.
Hollywood? Okay, there are some prominent names there, but the majority shareholders? The usual (non-Jewish) banking institutions, no doubt.
Lies, bugbears and scapegoats. Why does this shit still resonate with such a large swath of the nominally Christian population? Dial down the endemic hate, people!
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@ 1/2 these comments, let's see what the US would do if 800+ missles were launched into it from another country, all targeting civilian areas.
Yes of course Israel is not 100% faultless in everything that has happened but there is an overall dramatic anti-semitic skew in media reporting that disgusts me
- UK Guardian report that presents some of the things that have befallen innocent Gaza civilians who have been injured/killed in this (and earlier conflicts) as intentionally-designed civilian killings -- that Israel should/does have the power to guide every single bullet/bomb and if any civilian is hit, it is by design. Please tell me of any war/conflict that the US (or any country) in history was involved in, where there was not some collateral damage / friendly fire / civilians killed. No country has that power, certainly not Israel. But whereas 100% of the Hamas/Palestinian military actions are targeted at, and only at civilians, Israel's are targeted at military targets, with collateral damage (yes, including civilians) along the way. The fact that Hamas intentionally places rocket launching pads, military targets, embedded within civilian areas directly drives this as well
- Today in NYC there are anti, and pro-Israel demonstrations happening in Times Square. http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/pr… Note the article citing an "orthodox" rabbi from a sect called Neturei Karta who cries with the Palestinians. They fail to report that this Neturei Karta is a fringe sect that doesn’t believe the state of Israel should exist (see their home page or Wikipedia). Both Hamas and this sect wish to push all Israelis into exile (for different reasons) so they are perfectly aligned.
- Everyone who loves to compare this to South Africa/Apartheid- that might be fair IF the South African blacks routinely blew themselves up in civilian areas, threw missiles into primarily white south africans areas, denounced the existence of any form of a white south africa, and had tried invading it multiple times from other countries.
Bottom line - you are correct that Israel is not blameless but many of these commenters are clueless bleeding heart liberals who desperately need to do more homework before running off to support a cause of which your comments show you to be woefully ignorant. Do your homework, or STFU.
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Yes of course Israel is not 100% faultless in everything that has happened but there is an overall dramatic anti-semitic skew in media reporting that disgusts me
- UK Guardian report that presents some of the things that have befallen innocent Gaza civilians who have been injured/killed in this (and earlier conflicts) as intentionally-designed civilian killings -- that Israel should/does have the power to guide every single bullet/bomb and if any civilian is hit, it is by design. Please tell me of any war/conflict that the US (or any country) in history was involved in, where there was not some collateral damage / friendly fire / civilians killed. No country has that power, certainly not Israel. But whereas 100% of the Hamas/Palestinian military actions are targeted at, and only at civilians, Israel's are targeted at military targets, with collateral damage (yes, including civilians) along the way. The fact that Hamas intentionally places rocket launching pads, military targets, embedded within civilian areas directly drives this as well
- Today in NYC there are anti, and pro-Israel demonstrations happening in Times Square. http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/pr… Note the article citing an "orthodox" rabbi from a sect called Neturei Karta who cries with the Palestinians. They fail to report that this Neturei Karta is a fringe sect that doesn’t believe the state of Israel should exist (see their home page or Wikipedia). Both Hamas and this sect wish to push all Israelis into exile (for different reasons) so they are perfectly aligned.
- Everyone who loves to compare this to South Africa/Apartheid- that might be fair IF the South African blacks routinely blew themselves up in civilian areas, threw missiles into primarily white south africans areas, denounced the existence of any form of a white south africa, and had tried invading it multiple times from other countries.
Bottom line - you are correct that Israel is not blameless but many of these commenters are clueless bleeding heart liberals who desperately need to do more homework before running off to support a cause of which your comments show you to be woefully ignorant. Do your homework, or STFU.
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@12: Duh...we are not discussing that, but rather the tendency to cast criticisms of Israel being by definition anti-semitic, as is often done in American media/society.
kmg1 @8 was making a seperate point about this in general, at least as I read it, and I was responding to that point.
As I made clear in my first post, Jewish people do not have a monopoly on the media.
kmg1 @8 was making a seperate point about this in general, at least as I read it, and I was responding to that point.
As I made clear in my first post, Jewish people do not have a monopoly on the media.
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@8, what are you doing from thousands of miles away to "protect Israel's soul"? Were you asked to do so? Did you try to protect the soul of America -- which I take is your own country -- when Bush thrust us into two futile wars?
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Before my grandfather died, it was his favorite pastime to make all sorts of controversial statements out of nowhere, just so he could sit back and watch the reaction. Luckily for me, he lived in a very conservative area so his "controversial" statements were just liberal.
Murdoch's twitter account reminds me a bit of my grandfather.
Murdoch's twitter account reminds me a bit of my grandfather.
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@8, @9 Are you intentionally being stupid? It's not the criticism of the Israeli government's policies that is anti-semitic. Plenty of American Jews oppose these policies. Nearly half of Israelis.
It's the "Jewish owned press" dog whistle that is anti-semitic.
It's the "Jewish owned press" dog whistle that is anti-semitic.
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Australians think Jews own everything. Besides, Murdoch didn't have anything to say about Adelson trying to buy the election.
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Besides Murdoch's dog and pony show on tweeter, there is in fact a relevant Murdoch story to cover:
"Did News Corp. Illegally Purchase Saddam Hussein Photos from U.S. Officials?
Dozens of employees have already been arrested for allegedly paying off British officials—and sources now tell Peter Jukes that U.S. agents may also be implicated, as questions arise over how they scored controversial photos of Saddam Hussein."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20…
"Did News Corp. Illegally Purchase Saddam Hussein Photos from U.S. Officials?
Dozens of employees have already been arrested for allegedly paying off British officials—and sources now tell Peter Jukes that U.S. agents may also be implicated, as questions arise over how they scored controversial photos of Saddam Hussein."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20…
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@8: Simply put, labeling fair criticism "anti-semitic" means you do not have to acknowledge or argue against it. It is the same thing as the GOP screaming "socialism" anytime someone wants to update the tax code to make it fairer. It instantly kills any meaningful discussion, allowing Israel's status quo to continue.
It is a coward's road.
Funny thing is, over half the Israeli population sees the way their government treats Palestinians as an unjust apartheid-like policy, and their media does not think it is anti-semitic. Only in America, I am afraid.
It is a coward's road.
Funny thing is, over half the Israeli population sees the way their government treats Palestinians as an unjust apartheid-like policy, and their media does not think it is anti-semitic. Only in America, I am afraid.
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Why is trying to protect Israel's soul from going down that dark path is considered anti-semitic? You don't just stand by when a family member goes and does something stupid.
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Jewish people do not have a monopoly on media, but the Israeli government puts a prime importance on influencing the way American media portrays Israel.
There is a good reason that America is basically the only country that sees Israel as a defender instead of an aggressor. And Israel knows damn well where their bread is buttered.
Palestinian bombers are called "terrorists," while Israeli bombers are called "vigilantes," Israel is said to be "retaliating," and Palestine is "attacking," Israel's invasions are called "defense," etc. It is a sham the way Israel is portrayed in American Media
There is a good reason that America is basically the only country that sees Israel as a defender instead of an aggressor. And Israel knows damn well where their bread is buttered.
Palestinian bombers are called "terrorists," while Israeli bombers are called "vigilantes," Israel is said to be "retaliating," and Palestine is "attacking," Israel's invasions are called "defense," etc. It is a sham the way Israel is portrayed in American Media
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Just calling something a "myth" doesn't make it a myth. The idea that Jews dominate the media is as much a myth as the idea that blacks dominate the NBA. Sorry to be so horribly un-PC.
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@1 Pro-Israel and pro-Jewish are not the same thing. But that's not the point.
The point is Murdoch, of all people—the goyishe CEO of News Corp.—perpetuating the myth of the Jewish-owned media.
The point is Murdoch, of all people—the goyishe CEO of News Corp.—perpetuating the myth of the Jewish-owned media.
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