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Tuesday, November 13, 2012

NOM's Suicide Pact

Posted by on Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:32 AM

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NYT:

“The die is cast on this issue,” said Steve Schmidt, who advised the presidential campaigns of Senator John McCain and George W. Bush and has for years urged Republicans to accept same-sex marriage. “Why should we sign a suicide pact with the National Organization for Marriage?” Mr. Schmidt asked, saying the party should instead endorse the principles of federalism and let the states decide the matter.

Depending on how you slice and dice the electorate, you can make the case that the gay vote was decisive in this election. So what NOM is asking the GOP to do—double, triple, quadruple down on anti-gay hate—really does amount to signing a political suicide pact.

And, speaking of NOM, I'm wondering if the rightwing nuts who are always shrieking about creeping Sharia law will get in NOM's face for this:

The Colorado Independent reports that officials from the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) have vowed to make Starbucks (along with other companies that support same-sex marriage) pay a “price” in Middle Eastern countries that are hostile to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) rights. The statements were made during a Nov. 8 conference call, scheduled as a discussion of the 2012 elections which saw sweeping marriage equality victories in Maine, Maryland and Minnesota, as well as Starbucks' home state of Washington.

“So for example, in Qatar, in the Middle East, we’ve begun working to make sure that there’s some price to be paid for this," Brian Brown says in audio recording of the conference call, which can heard on the Independent's website. "These are not countries that look kindly on same-sex marriage. And this is where Starbucks wants to expand, as well as India. So we have done some of this; we’ve got to do a lot more.”

The audio of the call does not continue on the site, but Brown is also quoted as saying:

"It takes money to go up against someone like Starbucks. I mean, we’ve got 50,000 people who’ve said, ‘We’re no longer going to purchase Starbucks products,’ but that’s the tip of the iceberg. Has it had some effect? I think so, but it’s nowhere near enough. An example has to be made of some of these companies if we’re going to get this sort of tidal wave of support for same-sex marriage to stop.”

So... a rightwing American "Christian" group believed to be financed by the Vatican is threatening to retaliate against an American company doing business abroad by stirring up anti-gay hatred in a foreign nation that adheres to Sharia law, a move that could negatively impact American shareholders and lead to job losses here in the United States, where the corporation is based. And so far not a peep from Pamela Geller.

 

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smajor82 32
Dan, can you please include links to things you cite? (e.g. the ABC News poll, the NYT article you quote, etc.)
Posted by smajor82 on November 14, 2012 at 10:03 AM · Report this
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That's sounding dangerously close to "second amendment remedies." Except it's on foreign soil. How is this not a terroristic threat? I'm sure that those communities overseas with Starbucks are just THRILLED that some American group, regardless of persuasion, is trying to foment violence in THEIR neighborhood. That some cranky assed American is threatening violence against a coffee shop that they work at, or their kid works at, or that they patronize regularly.
Posted by MinnySota on November 14, 2012 at 7:16 AM · Report this
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My points for Things I'm Not Saying are nearly as high now as they were yesterday when I saw my father and stepmother for the first time since last Tuesday. They did the most frivolous thing I've heard of yet this election cycle and actually donated significantly to the campaign of Mrs McMahon.
Posted by vennominon on November 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM · Report this
Helenka (also a Canuck) 29
I'm hoping and betting that whatever noise NOM stirs up in Qatar will be no more noticed and listened to than the high-pitched whine of a pesky mosquito. From reading the linked Wiki article, there are already a handful of North American universities (including scary Canadian ones, lol) operating in the country, along with certain governmental provisions granted to a Canadian and American military presence (from previous wars in the region). It's not as if the appearance of Starbucks would be so revolutionary to cause an uproar.

Not only that, is Maggie planning to personally descend in full screed to tell a sovereign nation about the evils of a American corporation? Hmm ::ponders:: I'm wondering just how hard it is for a tourist to get an appointment with someone in their government? At least Maggie would be allowed to speak and wouldn't need to have Brian speaking for her.
Posted by Helenka (also a Canuck) on November 13, 2012 at 4:35 PM · Report this
very bad homo 28
Haven't NOM been found guilty of violating laws in their fundraising at least a few times? What's going on with that, and why haven't they been taken down yet?
Posted by very bad homo on November 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 27
@17,

It's not a franchise. Starbucks owns all its stores. That said, I doubt there will be many (if any) Americans working those stores, except maybe to set them up initially.
Posted by keshmeshi on November 13, 2012 at 12:16 PM · Report this
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I actually feel bad for these people.

When you have a life worth living, you sleep 56 hours a week, spend 40 to 50 hours a week at work, maybe 10 hours cooking and cleaning and doing errands, 5 or 6 hours at the gym or playing a sport to stay in shape, 15 to 20 hours doing things with your significant other, and hopefully devote 15 to 20 hours to a hobby or hobbies. There's really not that many hours left. And this is not a fancy jet-setting lifestyle.

If you actually have enough time to sit and brood over how much you hate the fags, formulate a plan, and follow through with it, there must be something missing in your life.
Posted by GArRo on November 13, 2012 at 11:44 AM · Report this
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As Charlie Sheen would say... "Winning"
Posted by longball on November 13, 2012 at 11:39 AM · Report this
MacCrocodile 24
@20 - Yup, and you read it, all by yourself! Congrats, champ. You're well on your way to understanding complex thoughts.
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on November 13, 2012 at 11:32 AM · Report this
blip 23
Now that they're no longer winning elections they have disposed of the pretense that they give a shit about the "sanctity of marriage." They just want to bring harm to people and businesses that support gay rights. Irresponsible, spiteful, hateful. Assholes.
Posted by blip on November 13, 2012 at 11:14 AM · Report this
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@15 - I'm betting that when there is the inevitable violence, they will blame the gays. "See what happens when you allow a company that supports Teh Gay into this country?" The amount of stupid is scary.
Posted by daphne24 http://www.ohiosmart.org on November 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM · Report this
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Translation: they lost America but they haven't lost yet in the Middle East
Posted by DJSauvage on November 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 20

Dan,

Did you just call nearly a quarter of the LBGT community "right wing nuts" ?

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on November 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM · Report this
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So they are going to make Starbucks pay in countries that kill people who are gay for being gay?

So they are insinuating violence against an American corporation, their beloved class of people... because, "ew, buttseks?"

Perverts.

Posted by erly on November 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM · Report this
horatiocain 18
Who are these 22% of gay people voting for Romney? Are you fucking kidding me? Is that real?
Posted by horatiocain http://jerkcity.com on November 13, 2012 at 10:14 AM · Report this
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Is NOM trying to get American workers in foreign Starbucks shops killed? That's sure what it sounds like.
Isn't it a franchise?

Why would Americans go abroad to work at a Starbucks?

Well, I guess the lack of a minimum living wage in the US, could actually make it worth the investment, now that I think about it.
Posted by Sili on November 13, 2012 at 10:13 AM · Report this
Free Lunch 16
When the GOP presidential candidate won't even run on his party's platform because of how it polls, you'd think they'd be more introspective.
Posted by Free Lunch on November 13, 2012 at 10:06 AM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 15
The good news is that most Americans don't see gay people as threats, so NOM must resort to stirring up hatred in in Muslim countries. That NOM isn't concerned about who might get killed in protests because they don't care about a few dead innocent people if they can stop Starbucks from supporting gay marriage is quite disturbing.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on November 13, 2012 at 9:59 AM · Report this
Sir Vic 14
@11 Sounds like extortion to me.
Posted by Sir Vic on November 13, 2012 at 9:58 AM · Report this
Looking For a Better Read 13
The Republican Party has suicide pacts with Grover Norquist, Rush Limbaugh, the Koch Brothers, and the NRA, too.

The stupidity of Schmidt's argument is supposing that eliminating the Republican opposition to marriage equality will move gays from the D column to R. Uh, really? I can't think of any gays in my social circle who would overlook their positions on women's issues, healthcare, social welfare, and economic equality. At this point, they can only remove their opposition to marriage equality and become an "us too" party. If they really want to move people, they're going to need to show some leadership - on climate, immigration, campaign finance, or some other issue that allows them to be further left than the D's. And I have no doubt that they will never do this.
Posted by Looking For a Better Read on November 13, 2012 at 9:45 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 12
Hate makes ugly bed fellows.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on November 13, 2012 at 9:38 AM · Report this
LGBTQWTF 11
Is NOM trying to get American workers in foreign Starbucks shops killed? That's sure what it sounds like.
Posted by LGBTQWTF on November 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM · Report this
treacle 10
The ends don't justify the meanies, the meanies rationalize the ends.
Posted by treacle on November 13, 2012 at 9:33 AM · Report this
ScrawnyKayaker 9
50,000 people are boycotting Starbucks? Oooooohh, that's gotta sting!

0.02% of the US population? Maybe 0.07% of the people who have ever bought something at Starbucks.

Someone should try to explain the idea of signal-to-noise to Brian Brownshirt. In Starbucks sales data, 50,000 people (even if they all were previous customers) is the noise. One delayed push-back from a gate at O'Hare increases Starbucks sales by more that day then his boycott lost them.
Posted by ScrawnyKayaker on November 13, 2012 at 9:31 AM · Report this
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"Maybe they don't hate gays, but they sure sound like they hate America... "

Not really.
They don't hate America.
They just think that it would be better if America was more like Qatar.

And really, isn't that what we all want?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar#Qatar…
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on November 13, 2012 at 9:30 AM · Report this
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I don't think the votes of the LGBT community will ever be a major political factor. Gay people are only 3-5% of the population and most of them will vote Democrat no matter what. The problem is that the number of pro-marriage equality straight people is growing. It's those people the GOP needs to appeal to in order to stay relevant.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on November 13, 2012 at 9:30 AM · Report this
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disgusting.
we're so glad homosexuals never stoop to boycotting businesses they disagree with.
Posted by wow. you are SO full of shit. we're impressed. on November 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM · Report this
Fortunate 5
@ 1, NOM hates both gays and America (for not hating gays enough).

@3, agreed. If someone is gay and doesn't like Obama fine, but they really couldn't find a third candidate to vote for that didn't want to constitutionally enshrine them as second class citizens?
Posted by Fortunate on November 13, 2012 at 9:05 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 4
They know they are going to lose eventually, so now it is just about harming as many people as possible (gays especially) before they die.

Why these people do not realize they are on the same side as the Taliban, I will never know.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on November 13, 2012 at 8:54 AM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 3
NOM is no mystery. They're anti-gay. I get that. The real nuts are the 22% of gays that voted for Romney.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on November 13, 2012 at 8:49 AM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 2
So as I understand this, NOM was "out spent" trying to defeat marriage equality in Washington, Maryland, and Maine, but they have plenty of money to be in Qatar railing against BOTH Starbucks and Marriage Equality. NOM is as dumb as NOM look.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on November 13, 2012 at 8:43 AM · Report this
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Maybe they don't hate gays, but they sure sound like they hate America...
Posted by MemeGene on November 13, 2012 at 8:39 AM · Report this

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