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Friday, November 9, 2012

Our Crying President

Posted by on Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:20 PM

I have to say it: On this sort of thing, Obama and I must part. The only person who should be crying in this whole president business is Romney. Romney crying would be satisfying; Obama crying makes things so awkward. One should strive to be a philosopher, and a true philosopher masters and manages their emotions and presents to all occasions, to all challenges in life the same knowing eye. Recall what that Roman politician was told when seen wailing uncontrollably for the death of a friend or relative: Man, where is thy philosophy? Meaning, it's as if you never knew this would eventually happen to you, as if you never prepared for the worst. All of this time, you were not building a philosophy. And now you just cry. How ridiculous of you.

 

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Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 1

You're beginning to sound like a New York Times essayist.

Taking the smallest thing and spinning it off into some sort of...insight.

Maybe it's time to leave the crib and bite the Big Apple.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on November 9, 2012 at 2:42 PM · Report this
Collin 2
What. A. Douche.
Posted by Collin on November 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM · Report this
Hawke 3
You are so off-base this time, I can't even see where you are trying to go with this. Or are you just remembering the "good old days" when a crying politician would have their career destroyed?

Frankly, I am liking seeing some humility in a politician.
Posted by Hawke http://facebook.com/thehawke on November 9, 2012 at 2:46 PM · Report this
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As long as he doesn't make a habit of crying, I see no problem with him showing some personality and humility among his peers who helped him land the job a second time.
Posted by jns on November 9, 2012 at 2:49 PM · Report this
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You just can't come out and say that crying (ahem, it was a single tear) is weak and for girls, so you're just saying it this way pretty much
Posted by six five on November 9, 2012 at 2:50 PM · Report this
Gern Blanston 6
Tears filled my eyes as I read this post, Charles.
Posted by Gern Blanston on November 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM · Report this
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charles, some day you are going explode and gush tears like a broken fire hose. that's what i predict. not that i'd ever wish for such a thing, of course.
Posted by Adrian Ryan on November 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM · Report this
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It is exactly this sort of thing, this level of humanity, that shows Obama to be a much more human animal than the practiced smirking and nervous chuckling of his (R) counterpart. That he's able to walk away from the machismo and swagger expected of a man in his position (or really "men" in any type of power situation), even for a moment, speaks volumes about his character.
Posted by j.lee on November 9, 2012 at 2:52 PM · Report this
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Y'know, I haven't gotten to have a really heartfelt Hate On Mudede moment since he stopped being so obsessively wrongheaded about Amanda Knox. Should I be grateful for the opportunity this post provides?
Posted by Warren Terra on November 9, 2012 at 2:52 PM · Report this
ratatosk 10
Dude. It was a human moment. There's no call to part company with someone showing their humanity. At least, the kinder part of humanity.
Posted by ratatosk on November 9, 2012 at 2:54 PM · Report this
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"Don't feed the troll" usually applies to comments, in this case it applies to the writer.
Posted by checkavailability on November 9, 2012 at 2:56 PM · Report this
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Yeah! How dare Obama get all human and genuinely emote among his people! His philosopher-robot mechanism must has malfunctioned while he was orating. How embarrassing for our entire country!!!!!!!!!! I'm going to send a bunch of Marcus Aurelius to the White House.
Posted by pantagrel on November 9, 2012 at 2:59 PM · Report this
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Fuck you Charles. Fuck you right in the ear.
Posted by Sean on November 9, 2012 at 2:59 PM · Report this
Beetlecat 14
He got emotional not because his team won, but rather because he suddenly realized he was about to say goodbye to all those people who have given so much to his campaign and he was gracious to acknowledge them for it in such a personal way. If that makes him weak in your book then fine. Keep on reading that book.
Posted by Beetlecat on November 9, 2012 at 3:04 PM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 15
He was exhausted. He expressed his deepest gratitude. And he shed a couple tears. You lack a bit of humanity, Charles.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on November 9, 2012 at 3:05 PM · Report this
seandr 16
Charles, I know crying isn't your thing, I respect that, and I am perfectly comfortable with gender norms that say men shouldn't cry.

Given these cultural expectations, when a man does cry, however, people notice, and sometimes making an exception to that rule can work in a man's favor. As I see it, Obama's shedding a few tears after a winning campaign showed the warm and compassionate side of a man who has been labeled cool and distant.

P.S. Try getting a little watery eyed during a particularly bad fight with your girl sometime, and her cold she-devil heart will instantly become soft and warm.
Posted by seandr on November 9, 2012 at 3:07 PM · Report this
Posted by Adrian Ryan on November 9, 2012 at 3:07 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 18
Bush league trolling, Charles. When you want to post something like this, shop for a decent camera instead.
Posted by Max Solomon on November 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 19
Bush league trolling, Charles. When you want to post something like this, shop for a decent camera instead.
Posted by Max Solomon on November 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM · Report this
fixo 20
@ all. This, truly, is what Slog is for.
Posted by fixo on November 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM · Report this
the duster 21
Read more Nussbaum. Less Zizek.
Posted by the duster on November 9, 2012 at 3:12 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 22
I always wondered if gay men were blind to male chauvinism. This is another good argument that they are.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on November 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM · Report this
blip 23
I see Charles has turned on his tickle machine.
Posted by blip on November 9, 2012 at 3:21 PM · Report this
Posted by melville on November 9, 2012 at 3:21 PM · Report this
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What a heartless pile of shit you are, Chucky.
Posted by legacy builder on November 9, 2012 at 3:23 PM · Report this
danindowntown 26
Troll bait, party of 1? I have a table ready for Troll Bait.
Posted by danindowntown on November 9, 2012 at 3:26 PM · Report this
Sandiai 27
He wasn't crying, he was weeping. An expression of profound gratitude (also, he was probably pretty tired). I for one, have never liked him better after seeing that, since he comes across as a little arrogant sometimes, and weeping shows humility and emotional connectedness. Now if he were crying because he felt sorry for himself and was having a sort of frustrated tantrum (the kind of crying Romney should be doing), I might agree with you.

It disturbs me that you aren't reading this right. Also what philosophy is he abandoning by crying in this way? You're aware of recent research on crying I'm sure that shows that it strengthens social bonds?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200…

Posted by Sandiai on November 9, 2012 at 3:29 PM · Report this
matt 28
Not even gonna read the above comments because I want you all to understand that Charles is trolling your ass, even if he believes this crap. He believes even more strongly that we will be up in arms about his antiquated notions of what defines manhood. Remember: he plays you like a fiddle. Skip his posts.
Posted by matt on November 9, 2012 at 3:29 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 29
For once I agree with Charles.

The President of the United States should not be a weepy pussy.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on November 9, 2012 at 3:29 PM · Report this
Big Matt G 30
It's alright to cry. Crying lets the sad out of you!
Posted by Big Matt G on November 9, 2012 at 3:31 PM · Report this
Fish Wrench Asteroid 31
I had no idea that the whole point of philosophy is to keep you from feeling sad.
Posted by Fish Wrench Asteroid on November 9, 2012 at 3:32 PM · Report this
Chris in Vancouver WA 32
Obama gave the "go" when it came to killing Bin Laden. That's all the "man test" I would ever need. A few tears after an exhausting & emotional campaign won't change that.
Posted by Chris in Vancouver WA on November 9, 2012 at 3:33 PM · Report this
matt 33
Slog is Charles' Tickle Machine:
http://www.thestranger.com/slog/archives…
Posted by matt on November 9, 2012 at 3:34 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 34
Charles has written about this before. Many times. He's always wrong, but that won't stop him.
Posted by Matt from Denver on November 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM · Report this
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Also, a man is more manly the more wives he has. More wives, no crying. Man up, bitches.
Posted by pussnboots on November 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM · Report this
smade 36
Charles, you might as well buy yourself a nice long-barreled handgun and a Hummer because this post clearly smacks of compensation issues.
Posted by smade on November 9, 2012 at 3:37 PM · Report this
merry 37
No.

Firstly, the man had to be exhausted. Emotions run much closer to the surface when you're exhausted and you have a greatly diminished capacity for containing them at such times.

Secondly, he was speaking, not in public per se, but to his campaign workers. As in, this was a more personal moment than a stump speech or a victory speech. He was with family, basically.

Thirdly, these are not wailing grief tears like your Roman politician. These are tears of gratitude, relief, and exhaustion (see above).

Fourthly, just... no. Unlike the Rmoneybot, our President is a real human being. Real human beings occasionally leak a salty fluid from their eye-ports. This is a good thing, and not, for instance, a sign of weakness. You are in fact verging on chauvinism when you express discomfort at the sight of a man leaking salty eye-fluid.

Fifthly, expert trolling with this post, expert. We would expect nothing less from you. And yes, that is a compliment.
Posted by merry on November 9, 2012 at 3:38 PM · Report this
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If I ever needed evidence that Charles is a toll, this is it.
Posted by swing state voter on November 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM · Report this
DVNODVNO 39
Wait, what?
Posted by DVNODVNO on November 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM · Report this
Sir Vic 40
"One should strive to be a philosopher, and a true philosopher masters and manages their emotions and presents to all occasions, to all challenges in life the same knowing eye."

If you are going to re-use stuff you wrote as a teenager, at least cite yourself. Repeatedly. In the head.
Posted by Sir Vic on November 9, 2012 at 3:52 PM · Report this
41
Good lord, you're tedious.
Posted by I Am Who Am on November 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM · Report this
42
No, you are ridiculous and stupid. He didn't cry for effect - he cried because he was tired and overwhelmed and deeply grateful to the people in that room.

I doubt if anyone would ever cry for you in that way.
Posted by westello on November 9, 2012 at 3:59 PM · Report this
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At least Obama waited until after he'd won, instead of crying months earlier and watching his campaign implode, like Muskie.
Posted by Ebenezer on November 9, 2012 at 4:05 PM · Report this
treacle 44
I dunno Charles, The Heart Grows Smarter
Posted by treacle on November 9, 2012 at 4:08 PM · Report this
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I doubt no president or candidate has ever cried before in a private moment with his staff. If that were true, then I would be glad that Obama was able to show a little more humanity, but I don't think it's true. It's just that more things are recorded and end up going public these days. I don't feel the need to see the president cry, but on balance it's probably a plus for his image, so it's fine with me.
Posted by Prettybetsy on November 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM · Report this
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I picture you bawling while speaking these words and it makes everything HILARIOUS. Otherwise, you're a picky, whiny little bitch and should STFU. Like, take a few weeks off, dude. You're done.
Posted by absolut_platinum on November 9, 2012 at 4:20 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 47
Almost 50 comments in two hours, and showing on the "most commented" chart. That's a good troll.
Posted by Matt from Denver on November 9, 2012 at 4:22 PM · Report this
48
For the moment, let's suspend the temptation to laugh when someone calls into question the rational, intellectual, or philosophical capacity of a constitutional lawyer and former president of the Harvard Law Review who once delivered one-liners to an unwitting audience the same weekend he privately knew he'd have to watch Osama bin Laden be executed.

Obama also wept at his last speech of the 2012 campaign, in Iowa; he wept at the funeral of a civil rights pioneer who perished recently; he wept in 2008 after his grandmother died; and he wept here. All were moments of finality, junctures where a long struggle, relationship, or exercise in "philosophy building" of some sort had come to an end.

I think you can build a pretty compelling case that his displays of emotion don't happen in moments where he's called on to articulate or execute a "philosophy" or worldview, but that he does so in the in-between moments where philosophy falls short or is extraneous. The life of the mind has its place and the last thing you could accuse Obama of is underestimating it; there's room in this world for embodiment as well.

This seems like the intellectual's equivalent of The Birther Movement; no display of rationality, of focus, of self-control is good enough to deflate a character judgement with a social slant; in the same way that piece of proof can over-power a strange name and dark skin. While we're urging others to become philosophers, here's the argument by way of syllogism:

Obama's Law Degree and Record As Commander And Chief
IS TO
Charles' Opinion Of Him In This Case
WHAT
Obama's Long-form Birth Certificate
IS TO
The Birther Movement.

In any case, where, exactly, does the distinction between feeling and thinking--between crying and philosophizing--come from? Certainly not The Blues: if the black musical tradition has taught us anything, it's that cold criticality of an absurd world or of trying circumstances can be done with a plaintive wail. It isn't like we can't look to better examples of how to conduct our selves than Roman emperors.
More...
Posted by "Now I'm Back, and Not Ashamed To Cry" on November 9, 2012 at 4:39 PM · Report this
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Yes Charles, we know, boys don't cry.

(I saw that movie BTW, it didn't end well.)
Posted by K on November 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM · Report this
Sandiai 50
Quoth @48:
"For the moment, let's suspend the temptation to laugh when someone calls into question the rational, intellectual, or philosophical capacity of a constitutional lawyer and former president of the Harvard Law Review who once delivered one-liners to an unwitting audience the same weekend he privately knew he'd have to watch Osama bin Laden be executed.

Obama also wept at his last speech of the 2012 campaign, in Iowa; he wept at the funeral of a civil rights pioneer who perished recently; he wept in 2008 after his grandmother died; and he wept here. All were moments of finality, junctures where a long struggle, relationship, or exercise in "philosophy building" of some sort had come to an end.

I think you can build a pretty compelling case that his displays of emotion don't happen in moments where he's called on to articulate or execute a "philosophy" or worldview, but that he does so in the in-between moments where philosophy falls short or is extraneous. The life of the mind has its place and the last thing you could accuse Obama of is underestimating it; there's room in this world for embodiment as well.

This seems like the intellectual's equivalent of The Birther Movement; no display of rationality, of focus, of self-control is good enough to deflate a character judgement with a social slant; in the same way that piece of proof can over-power a strange name and dark skin. While we're urging others to become philosophers, here's the argument by way of syllogism:

Obama's Law Degree and Record As Commander And Chief
IS TO
Charles' Opinion Of Him In This Case
WHAT
Obama's Long-form Birth Certificate
IS TO
The Birther Movement.

In any case, where, exactly, does the distinction between feeling and thinking--between crying and philosophizing--come from? Certainly not The Blues: if the black musical tradition has taught us anything, it's that cold criticality of an absurd world or of trying circumstances can be done with a plaintive wail. It isn't like we can't look to better examples of how to conduct our selves than Roman emperors. "

More...
Posted by Sandiai on November 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM · Report this
reverend dr dj riz 51
charles. baby. let it go.
Posted by reverend dr dj riz on November 9, 2012 at 6:30 PM · Report this
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how do you enjoy music?
Posted by paulus on November 9, 2012 at 6:39 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 53
Charles needs a hug.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM · Report this
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@17 ha! excellent point, adrian.
Posted by gracey on November 9, 2012 at 6:52 PM · Report this
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charles, you reveal yourself as the dinosaur many of us already know you are.
Posted by ellarosa on November 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM · Report this
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Sleep deprivation
Posted by sall on November 9, 2012 at 7:49 PM · Report this
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Charles, you get an F in Empathy 101. The Pres was exhausted, grateful, and overcome with emotion for a few moments....BFD. I appreciate seeing his human side.
Posted by JR77 on November 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM · Report this
sirkowski 58
Christ, what an asshole.
Posted by sirkowski http://www.missdynamite.com on November 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM · Report this
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Mudede's a dick.
Posted by idaho on November 9, 2012 at 8:48 PM · Report this
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I like Mr. Mudede, but I often disagree with him.
I think men crying should be encouraged.
Posted by BallardBoy on November 9, 2012 at 9:47 PM · Report this
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Wah! Charles the Troll made me cry with his stinky superior attitude....
Neitzsche said: "From the smile of that Dionysos the Olympian gods were born, from his tears human beings." Tears are what we are made of, Charles. They show our humanity, when what it inside leaks out and cannot be contained by hollow social norms.
You should try leaking someday, from somewhere other than your ass.
Posted by fotoeve on November 10, 2012 at 12:02 AM · Report this
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Maybe Charles doesn't know how to cry and feels defective.
Posted by Amanda on November 10, 2012 at 1:14 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 63
@44 Thank you.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on November 10, 2012 at 3:54 AM · Report this
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Silly Mudede, robots can't cry.
Posted by suddenlyorcas on November 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM · Report this
Paxlotl 65
Im GLAD my philosophy doesn't invalidate me as a person for crying. Crying is good. It's what only humans have evolved to do.
Posted by Paxlotl on November 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 66
This was a very silly post Charles. Tickle machine indeed.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on November 10, 2012 at 2:03 PM · Report this
Andy Niable 67
And the winner for Biggest Eyeroll Inducer of Campaign 2012 goes to...
Posted by Andy Niable on November 10, 2012 at 11:45 PM · Report this
sissoucat 68
@37 merry - I agree with you.

Huh, Mr Mudede, so tears are a no-go for you ? Why ?

Tears are normal human reactions to strong emotions. Tears of happiness do happen, you know ? Should all emotions be banned, a la Romney ? I don't think so. Cool people do have tears.

@16 I was with you until your PS. Faking tears in a fight, now, that's lame. I expected better from you.
Posted by sissoucat on November 11, 2012 at 2:15 AM · Report this
-B- 69
I was wondering when Charles would wade in on Obama crying. His comments on boys and men crying in the past have shown he needs therapy to help over come his phobia.

Men crying is not a problem. People that feel they shouldn't ever cry are the problem.

GET OVER IT MAN!
Posted by -B- http://brianboulton.com/ on November 11, 2012 at 11:43 AM · Report this
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Obama crying in gratitude for winning a campaign bought for him with billions upon billions of advertising dollars does not move me.

If he was crying for some of the people he wants to rob of their "entitlements" (e.g., seniors and the poor) or some of the civilians he's droned to death, I'd feel some empathy.
Posted by Linda J on November 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM · Report this

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