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Religion Slog Mormon Study: Doctrine and Covenants 130:22
Posted by Goldy on Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 10:10 AM
[Slog Bible Study is on hiatus through the November election as we honor Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney by studying the scriptures of his Mormon religion.]
Doctrine and Covenants 130:22
The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.
Discuss.
1
In the Philippines (an intensely Catholic country), Nestle markets a very popular brand of instant coffee called "3 in 1". it tastes awful, but part of its success has been the usage of trinitarian implications in its advertising.
Interestingly, the Philippines also has the second-highest concentration of Mormons anywhere in the world. Their concept of god being non-trinitarian (two parts of god having two distinct physical bodies and one being something else altogether, and these three people not being one), I wonder what they think of this godawful tasting faux-coffee that Nestle pushes on the Philippines. Then again, Mormons don't drink coffee, so they probably hate it anyway.
All of this is quite sad, because the Philippines grows its own rather delicious coffee bean that is far more satisfying than ersatz instant coffee. Unfortunately, the local population seems to frown upon their home grown bean in favor of this imported 3-in-1.
Is this a metaphor of some kind? Or just a lament over marketing strategies depriving a nation of good coffee?
Interestingly, the Philippines also has the second-highest concentration of Mormons anywhere in the world. Their concept of god being non-trinitarian (two parts of god having two distinct physical bodies and one being something else altogether, and these three people not being one), I wonder what they think of this godawful tasting faux-coffee that Nestle pushes on the Philippines. Then again, Mormons don't drink coffee, so they probably hate it anyway.
All of this is quite sad, because the Philippines grows its own rather delicious coffee bean that is far more satisfying than ersatz instant coffee. Unfortunately, the local population seems to frown upon their home grown bean in favor of this imported 3-in-1.
Is this a metaphor of some kind? Or just a lament over marketing strategies depriving a nation of good coffee?
4
Mormon pickup lines aren't all that different from Toyota or Chevy pickup lines. It's a little easier changing the oil on a pickup than compacts/sedans, don't you think Mccroc?
5
Sounds like a job for Dr. Peter Venkman. He's got PhD's in both psychology AND parasychology, after all.
6
I've met a few other flesh and blood people who have claimed to be Gods. There's no great mystery to them. They're just crazy people with nice cars is all.
7
The Holy Ghost is a sneaky little fella. He is EVERYWHERE! Last night I saw Him (It?) slithering though my keyhole.
10
So praying to be spiritually receptive makes you an ectoplasmic cum-dumpster. Never thought of it that way, but if that's what greases your skids...
12
You can always count on Goldy when you're looking for a clueless idiot.
I'm not defending Mormons here, but this is pretty straight-forward Christianity here. Not that Goldstein would have the first clue about that.
I'm not defending Mormons here, but this is pretty straight-forward Christianity here. Not that Goldstein would have the first clue about that.
13
Actually 5280, this is a VERY different conception of God than traditional Christian thought... that's why (well, one of the main reasons) so many Protestants and Catholics don't consider Mormons actual Christians.
14
@12, no, in the traditional Christian Trinity, the Father and Holy Ghost are both non-corporeal. In the LDS Trinity, only the Holy Ghost is non-corporeal.
15
@14 - Jesus is also non-corporeal. He briefly took a human form, but the Being of the Son is spiritual.
16
It may not be Catholic or Protestant or "traditional" but it is very Biblical.
The resurrected Christ emphasised to his disciples that he was not a 'spirit'.
He appeared in the midst of them: (Luke23:37-39)
"But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
"And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do athoughts arise in your hearts?
"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
The resurrected Christ emphasised to his disciples that he was not a 'spirit'.
He appeared in the midst of them: (Luke23:37-39)
"But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
"And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do athoughts arise in your hearts?
"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
17
More fun: God (Elohim) did not create the universe in the Mormon tradition. He sent Jesus and Michael (who later became Adam) to create it (along with others?) out of stuff that they found laying around.
Something like that, iirc.
Something like that, iirc.
18
@12,
Fifty-Two-Eighty,
I don't know of any Christian: mainline, Catholic, evangelical ... that share this view of the trinity. This is unique. Sorry.
Fifty-Two-Eighty,
I don't know of any Christian: mainline, Catholic, evangelical ... that share this view of the trinity. This is unique. Sorry.
20
@12 Not unless you consider Mormonism to be Christianity. God the father having a corporeal body of flesh and bones? That is a novel view of the Holy Trinity.
21
@15 the Marcionites took that view, while the Ebionites took the opposite view. The eventual orthodox position was somewhere in the middle. Read Jesus Interrupted, pgs 255-260 for an overview of early Christian debates on this theological point. Hint, dont expect a solid reason to believe one way or the other.
22
@19: Where in it, then? I'm honestly curious. I looked around, and it seems like mainline Christianity holds that only the Son has a corporeal body, while the Father and the Holy Ghost are spiritual entirely.
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