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Tuesday, October 16, 2012

You Probably Need to Temper Your Expectations for Tonight's Debate

Posted by on Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Over the weekend, I watched the 2008 town hall-style debate between Barack Obama and John McCain. And while it's true that Obama won that debate, it was mostly because John McCain was terrible at it. Whenever McCain was stressed, he addressed the audience as "my friends," and it almost immediately became an off-putting vocal tic. He seemed to wheel around in circles when talking to the audience, looking at everyone and doing a tone-deaf parody of Bill Clinton's warm, inclusive debate style.

But Obama wasn't very good at the town hall format, either. He mostly delivered chunks of his speeches whenever someone asked a question, and he didn't provide very many anecdotes or very much personal warmth at all. The thing that every candidate should keep in mind during a debate is that the audience is part of the set. You want the audience to appear engaged with everything you say, and the way to do that is not by speechifying at them.

Back when the presidential campaign was small and regional, Mitt Romney hosted a series of events called "Ask Mitt Anything." It's true that it was a friendly audience, but the events were basically one-man town halls, and Romney did well at them. He was a little stiff, but he did the job. I bet he'll be even better at it tonight.

Romney's biggest weakness in these situations is that he doesn't do well with direct confrontation. If he gets tough questions from the audience and if President Obama calls out some of Romney's more obvious lies, the older, stiff Romney might make a reappearance. That should be the president's goal. But President Obama can't be totally aggressive, the way Biden was with Ryan. He'll have to walk a fine, lawyerly line, which is a problem when his instincts veer more toward the professorial. On the positive side, President Obama is a smart guy, and he basically devoted the entire weekend to town hall debate prep. I'd just feel better if John Kerry wasn't involved in the president's debate prep. The man is like a walking bad luck charm for Democrats.

 

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Will in Seattle 1
See, this is why we should have a Dance Revolution 3 dance off instead.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 16, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Cato the Younger Younger 2
Ah...no. Obama needs to fucking nail this debate and the next one. No excuses and no more off nights. He had two off nights, the convention and the first debate.

And as fucked up as this country is the reality is most voters only pay attention (if you can call it that) to a little bit of the conventions and the debates. So if Obama doesn't fucking blow Mittens away in this debate get ready for a long depressing election night.

Obama...game on or just start packing your stuff to go back to Chicago in January.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on October 16, 2012 at 1:47 PM
Cato the Younger Younger 3
And the only headline I want to see in the morning is "Black Man Verbally Kicks Living Shit Out of Spoiled Rich White Man: Nation Cheers"
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on October 16, 2012 at 1:52 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 4
What Cato said. This is for all the marbles. Keep in mind that early voting has already started in some places. There won't be another chance.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on October 16, 2012 at 1:56 PM
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@4,

Obama is strongly favored by early voters.
Posted by keshmeshi on October 16, 2012 at 2:01 PM
Gay Dude for Romney 6
@3: I'm sure Paul or Charles will use that very headline tomorrow no matter how the debate turns out.
Posted by Gay Dude for Romney http://mittromney.com on October 16, 2012 at 2:15 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 7
Well, yes — based on one poll of a miniscule number of voters. Not saying that's not the case, but I'd still rather see Obama really nail it tonight.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on October 16, 2012 at 2:20 PM
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Considering Paul Constant's utterly awful performance to date as a political analyst, I will take this as a contrary indicator and look for a great night for Obama!
Posted by Mister G on October 16, 2012 at 2:27 PM
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Obama's history in debates is not that good.

There was the mid-2007 primary town hall where (trying to be agreeable again) he promised to meet six of our worst enemies, face-to-face, with no preconditions, in his first year in office.

There was the April 2008 debate where Obama gave a particularly bad account of himself, and next day implied the debate was a set-up with moderators in cahoots with Hillary - and flipped her off on TV!

Here's hoping he discovers his inner Clinton some time in the next three hours . . . . .
Posted by RonK, Seattle on October 16, 2012 at 2:38 PM
south downtown 10
what's striking is O's response to the first question.

where we have been in the last four years is at that point, then down, and now back to there again.

this is why Obama looks like he didn't do anything...
Posted by south downtown on October 16, 2012 at 2:43 PM
Cascadian 11
I won't watch unless and until I hear that Obama didn't blow it.
Posted by Cascadian on October 16, 2012 at 3:21 PM
mikethehammer 12
Yeah, I remember McCain doing that weird thing where he tried to embrace the "Town Hall" format by creepily addressing the audience. The whole concept is strange really. Can ditch the podiums, a la Ryan/Biden, but just have a regular debate without additional distractions.
Posted by mikethehammer on October 16, 2012 at 3:31 PM
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Short of Rmoney having a melt down pundits will declare it a draw at best for Obama. Don't expect them to do their job properly just for this one occasion.
Posted by anon1256 on October 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM
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Remember, this is the same Paul Constant who mocked the Democrats who worried after Obama got his ass kicked up one side of the stage and down the other in the first debate, and dismissed the idea that Romney would have a comeback.

It turns out, of course, that Obama's numbers peaked the day before the first debate, and that he's lost all of his lead since then. As I write, Romney is ahead by 4 points in the Gallup tracking poll. Romney is ahead in Virginia and Florida, and closing in on Pennsylvania.

The only thing to say about Paul is that his political analysis has been "Constantly" wrong. Now that it's become suddenly hip(ster) to worry about Obama tonight, Paul once more tells his lefty idiots (who are just as dumb as Sarah Palin) exactly what they want to hear. And when it's all over, Paul will keep his job, because just like at Fox News, at the Stranger it's never about being correct or factual.
Posted by Mister G on October 16, 2012 at 3:56 PM
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Ooh, #13, the surest sign of a loser is when they whine about the pundits and/or the polls. Or should I say "whinge," to get the automatic credibility from the lefties that comes with using the British spelling of any word?
Posted by Mister G on October 16, 2012 at 3:58 PM
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@15, The surest sign of a wingnut is when they claim that opponents of corporatism and its media are "whining"
Posted by anon1256 on October 16, 2012 at 4:25 PM
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Excellent assessment. I couldn't agree more.

The funny thing about that debate is that Obama won it when they both sat down. I don't know why McCain's staff agreed on the format, but it killed him. It is almost like you can see him thinking, "I'm a Vietnam Vet and Senator, why the hell do I have to sit on this stupid stool".

On the other hand, Obama looks like he is ready to start crooning. You can almost hear him channeling Frank Sinatra "Shoo-bee-doo-bee-doooo..."

Posted by Ross on October 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM
Simone 18
I'll read along with slog that way if it is a bad night for Obama I won't be able to hear it.

I'm not expecting outstanding questions tonight. There may be some good ones and a few great ones but I'm not going to expect a really tough question.
Posted by Simone on October 16, 2012 at 5:10 PM
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Yep, Constantly wrong. Heckuva job, Paulie.
Posted by Mister G on October 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM
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Next up will be a column or three by Paul on the theme of Obama being so much smarter and more honest that he can't help but win, and that anyone who doesn't see that is a stupid asshole. It'll be wrong, but it'll be the Kool-Aid the Stranger's readers want to drink. So that's what Paul will probably write, and he'll be rewarded with continued employment.

Beware the person whose paycheck depends on telling you what you want to hear.
Posted by Mister G on October 16, 2012 at 10:08 PM

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