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2012 Cowardly Ron Paul Kind of Suggests He'll Maybe Vote for Gary Johnson
Posted by Paul Constant on Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:31 PM
This is the kind of bold, fearless leadership that his bajillions of followers have come to expect from ol' Dr. No:
"There are other people who are technically capable of winning because they're on a lot of ballots," Paul said, to which his interviewer said "Like Gary Johnson, for example."
"Yeah," Paul said. But he wouldn't confirm that he was definitely voting for Johnson.
I told Ron Paul fanatics to vote for Johnson months ago, but they replied with a bunch of dumb rants about gold bars and ethical purity. I wonder if, now that their daring leader has blinked out his support in Morse code in a hostage video on Fox News, they'll now reconsider their support for Johnson.
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Hopefully the number of people who vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson or Jill Stein or whoever will outnumber the number of people who refuse to vote for Obama out of some idealistic form of protest.
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No! No, don't give in, Dr. Paul! We can win this! We're not out yet! We'll get you elected in an unprecedented write-in campaign! Come November Electiony Day, stirring orchestral music will play as we all gaze up at the TVs to see the news people touching their earpieces and saying "This just in- a billion votes for Ron Paul have been farted out by angels and fairies! I can't beleive it! RON PAUL IS PRESIDENT!" We just have to hold onto hope!
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Yea it sucks to have ideals and vote for candidates who have not been bought.
Two party corporate system for life!!!
Two party corporate system for life!!!
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as a Ron Paul supporter who marched on the white house with the veterans , whom has been to countless rallies I am offended at this snobbish remark ...Ron Paul is smarter than you think he is. In that interview the interviewer kept bugging him about who he was going to vote for or support. At first Ron Paul tried to evade the question because it's nobody's damned business . Then he mentioned the fact there are no real choices only the two ass holes that are shoved down our throats every four years that belong to the establishment parties. Ron Paul has a plan and it is for his son to carry the torch . He is being very careful not to upset that right now with the GOP who are corrupt and rotten to the core. I will be voting for Gary Johnson and the Paul supporters that are not voting for Gary Johnson are just doing so because they are Paul purist . I on the other hand see the similarities between the two ...
Will GJ win? Nope not a chance , but at least I will go to sleep every night peacefully knowing I did not vote for one of the two establishment selected candidates that will continue the drug wars , continue the foreign wars , continue the foreign aid and continue the erosion of civil liberties with such things as the NDAA , Patriot ACT and God knows what else the Gov. wants to pass into law in the future.
NO you snobs enjoy your vote for Obama who will continue the status quo.. Go right ahead .. My conscience is clear.
Will GJ win? Nope not a chance , but at least I will go to sleep every night peacefully knowing I did not vote for one of the two establishment selected candidates that will continue the drug wars , continue the foreign wars , continue the foreign aid and continue the erosion of civil liberties with such things as the NDAA , Patriot ACT and God knows what else the Gov. wants to pass into law in the future.
NO you snobs enjoy your vote for Obama who will continue the status quo.. Go right ahead .. My conscience is clear.
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Oh and for the ass hat that accuses Ron Paul of being Cowardly ... He has bigger balls than you do buddy ... He gets up there on stage in the national debates and get's booed for quoting the golden rule by a bunch of blood thirsty NeoCon bigots... And he does it and does not alter his views and does not cow tow or pander to them .. .He shoots straight and tells it like it is , fully knowing that the idiots in the audience are opposed to his wisdom ........ He has more courage and balls then you do buddy .
You little keyboard warrior dare to call the nations only true statesmen a coward... pfff
You little keyboard warrior dare to call the nations only true statesmen a coward... pfff
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Lol, I love the blind worship of Paul. And then, when they're savior is is questioned, they go off on the two party, Obama follower rants as if any of us are true blue Obama supporters. Its not like many of use will be voting for Stein or another candidate. No, if you don't support and follow Paul, you must be an Obombozombie!
Its not that its any of our business, its the reality that Paul could move his votes to GJ and create change. But, as a spineless tool, he won't risk his and his son's political futures; throwing away his ideals for the institution he supposedly opposes.
Its not that its any of our business, its the reality that Paul could move his votes to GJ and create change. But, as a spineless tool, he won't risk his and his son's political futures; throwing away his ideals for the institution he supposedly opposes.
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I don't understand why "Libertarian" Ron Paul wouldn't be giving full throated support to the Libertarian candidate. Unless he's only Libertarian when it's expedient.
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I'm a strong Obama supporter. That said, I'll be casting my vote for Gary Johnson purely out of drug policy reform protest. He's winning WA handily anyway. Same reason I'm gonna vote for Baumgartner.
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@Pope , His son Rand is trying to infiltrate the ranks of the GOP , that's why the Paul campaign got derailed a few months before the convention because Romney threatened to drop a PR bomb on his son and make a lot of shit up and and rail road his son Rand out of the party.... Ron Paul decided to play it safe and not endorse Romney and not endorse anyone ... If he endorses Romney he betrays all his followers who HATE Romney , But if he endorses Gary Johnson or something then he pisses off the GOP and all hope at his son becoming president is lost..
Us libertarians are using the GOP as a kind of Trojan Horse to take over the party ..
Us libertarians are using the GOP as a kind of Trojan Horse to take over the party ..
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Lol, Randy's infiltrating the GOP! And, without any evidence mind you, Romney threatened baby Randy with a "PR bomb". Its a conspiracy, guys! That's why Paul is being silent! Its not that he just wants to stay in politics and create a family dynasty with his son who approves of Guantanamo Bay, torture, and both wars in the Middle East! But don't mind that, Randy doesn't REALLY believe in all that, he's just lying through his teeth to... uhm... hide from that PR bomb!
Really, blind defense.
Really, blind defense.
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@13 it's gonna be really hard for the libertarians to take over the GOP, the religious right already has. And telling people you're the party of Jesus is a lot easier to sell than the abstraction of libertarianism.
I think it's telling of how dedicated the Paul's are to libertarianism by the fact they the stay in the GOP and continue to funnel money into that party via donations by Paul supporters. They're well known, have a following and media clout. They should use that to start a true 3rd party.
I think it's telling of how dedicated the Paul's are to libertarianism by the fact they the stay in the GOP and continue to funnel money into that party via donations by Paul supporters. They're well known, have a following and media clout. They should use that to start a true 3rd party.
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14 doesn't have his fact right about rand ; http://www.dailypaul.com/252344/doug-wea…
16. It's hard for a third party to get any traction that's why we are infiltrating the GOP , and it is working.. WE Paul supporters took over the state GOP in Alaska , MN , NV , Iowa , Almost took Louisiana but they arrested us and I think we took over most of WA GOP too.... Also with new Libertarians running for Congress and Senate like Justin Amash and running for local low level state offices nationwide , we are inching our way in and pushing the old guard out. It's called an "outside in " strategy..
16. It's hard for a third party to get any traction that's why we are infiltrating the GOP , and it is working.. WE Paul supporters took over the state GOP in Alaska , MN , NV , Iowa , Almost took Louisiana but they arrested us and I think we took over most of WA GOP too.... Also with new Libertarians running for Congress and Senate like Justin Amash and running for local low level state offices nationwide , we are inching our way in and pushing the old guard out. It's called an "outside in " strategy..
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@17 Really? That's your evidence? Doug Wead saying that Romney was going to do a PR blitz? Come on, how cowardly is Paul to run and hide when, lol, Doug Wead says Romney is going to do a PR blitz saying bad things about Paul that could potentially be true.
Oh no! I can't say anything cuz someone might attack me! Its not like you can expect such tactics in politics, particularly when you're running for office!
Oh no! I can't say anything cuz someone might attack me! Its not like you can expect such tactics in politics, particularly when you're running for office!
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@17 if you guys were able to capture those states doesn't it seem likely you could've used those numbers to start a real 3rd party? Considering how far right the GOP is going I would think you wouldn't want to be associated with that party. I'm really surprised you haven't been able to take advantage of the shift in the GOP. I highly doubt as a Paul supporter you'd like ti be linked to people like Bachmann, Romney, etc.
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@19 Actually, I disagree. The right wing politics between the GOP and the libertarians aren't really that different. See, we perceive the right wing GOP to be rather authoritarian in that, in all honesty, they wish to control everything from contraceptives to MJ use through the federal government.
That said, Ron Paul would be more than fine with allowing states to enter into the bedroom (sodomy laws) and make abortion illegal. Heck, he'd be more than fine with that! The thing is, the Ron Paul libertarians are those republicans who are fine with authoritarian control just as long as its in the confines of the state. In fact, they view the fed as an obstacle to that authoritative power.
Its more difficult to get right wing, religiously extreme laws passed on the national level because they are more "public". Most people aren't as interested in local politics, the average American really only shows their voice during national elections, if then. So, by giving power to the state, they are effectively limiting the scope of politics to those of us who are actually interested in local politics (an extremely small minority). Mind you, I have also yet to hear any Paultard discuss the issues of voting rights in Ohio and Florida so I have to assume that they support voter ID's and purging the voter rolls.
So, in effect, its a conservative power grab.
That said, Ron Paul would be more than fine with allowing states to enter into the bedroom (sodomy laws) and make abortion illegal. Heck, he'd be more than fine with that! The thing is, the Ron Paul libertarians are those republicans who are fine with authoritarian control just as long as its in the confines of the state. In fact, they view the fed as an obstacle to that authoritative power.
Its more difficult to get right wing, religiously extreme laws passed on the national level because they are more "public". Most people aren't as interested in local politics, the average American really only shows their voice during national elections, if then. So, by giving power to the state, they are effectively limiting the scope of politics to those of us who are actually interested in local politics (an extremely small minority). Mind you, I have also yet to hear any Paultard discuss the issues of voting rights in Ohio and Florida so I have to assume that they support voter ID's and purging the voter rolls.
So, in effect, its a conservative power grab.
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@20 if I had to choose between two kinds of heartless, I'd rather go with the free market guys. Heartless religion is confusing and sad.
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I used to think Ron Paul was a libertarian, used to think he was principled along those lines. In recent years, though, it was right for him to commit to the GOP, what with his views on women's rights and abortion, empowering states to define civil rights and legislate private citizens' personal behavior as described by local prevailing mores. Given all that, he is truly a Republican. He does distinguish himself from mainstream Republicans (and Democratic politicians, though not your average Democratic citizen) by his opposition to NDAA, the PA, and the presumption of foreign military involvement, and it would be great if all politicians would bend his way on these things.
His politics and economic philosophies are typically right-wing, though he's bold enough to be plain about this. And bold enough to name his son after the mother of objectivism, and that's cool -- shows passion. But his followers are delusional if they think that they're any kind of trojan horse. On the contrary, the Paul supporters I know have reluctantly (at first) hitched on to the GOP mainstream, most via Ryan, then find themselves "fighting" for candidates who are far, far from libertarianism, and far, far from principled. It's moved into Ron Paul, and now it moves into them.
His politics and economic philosophies are typically right-wing, though he's bold enough to be plain about this. And bold enough to name his son after the mother of objectivism, and that's cool -- shows passion. But his followers are delusional if they think that they're any kind of trojan horse. On the contrary, the Paul supporters I know have reluctantly (at first) hitched on to the GOP mainstream, most via Ryan, then find themselves "fighting" for candidates who are far, far from libertarianism, and far, far from principled. It's moved into Ron Paul, and now it moves into them.
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Ron Paul? Really? ROFLMAO Rand Paul? ROFLMAO oh god please stop it. My sides are aching. Ayn Rand a serious thinker? Ah hahahahahahahahahaha, The Gold standard, bahahahahahah. Sophomoric idiots one and all.
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If your single issues in voting are abortion then I agree that Ron Paul is not your guy .. Even I disagree with him on that ... He believes that life begins at conception and I understand that with him being an OBGYN and also a Christian .. .I being an agnostic do not believe in any divine purpose of the reproductive process .. I do believe that life becomes viable in the womb but that is around 10 weeks when the brain develops enough to feel pain .
But abortion is not my primary issue and not an issue that would prevent me from voting for any candidate .. My issues are more wars , more deficit spending , more foreign aid to countries that hate us , more funding of the drug war which is a human rights tragedy on it's on ... Also my issues are civil liberties and laws such as the Patriot ACT , SOPA , NDAA and other stuff they are conjuring up to stripp us of our constitutional rights....
As far as 18's response ,,,, Doug Wead was Ron Paul's chief Campaign strategist , I would assume he knows what he is talking about...... Romney has millions and millions of dollars and he threatened to destroy the Paul legacy and ruin any chance for Rand to have any future success in politics..... It most likely was a threat to go on a smear campaign attacking Ron Paul for the racist news letters that were mere race baiting and not written by him.. .Though he took full responsiblity for the newsletters and disavowed them , with enough Romney money you could really do a massive smear campaign , True or Not the allegations would have been devastating ..... I too believe Ron Paul should have told Romney to shove it , but I think Ron Paul thought about it and decided he is too old for these games anymore and figured it would be better to keep things safe for his son Rand .... Whom with the support of his father and his fathers supporters really has a chance in 2016 because everybody knows Obama is going to win and be re-elected....
As far as the comments made by 23 , you are wrong ... I am deeply involved in the Liberty Movement and have been to many meet ups , many rallies and know many fellow revolutionaries... I don't know any that are latching on to the GOP mainstream... WE see bachman and Palin and Paul Ryan as nothing more than NeoCons who have tried to co-opt the liberty movement .. We are smart enough to see a wolf in sheeps clothing when we see one. We are die hard Ron Paul supporters and we are not supporting the GOP.....
We are taking over the GOP and NO it will not happen over night... But look at how much our movement has grown in the last 4 years... Our numbers have quadrupled , we have elected leaders in the congress , the senate , the state level and the local level GOP leadership ...
As far as creating another party , there already is another party . The libertarian party and you see just how much traction a third party gets... Even 7-11 only has a coffee cup for Obama or Romney .
The GOP is a dying party and we intend on finishing it off and killing it for good. We are more active then the old gaurd and we know how to move in and take over local meetings ...
And to comment 25 ,,, LOL haha ha ha ... Keynesian economics LOL my sides splitting ,,lol deficit spending lol OMG ,,, more printing of worthless money and borrowing from the chinese . LOL ROFLMAO ,, More breaking of windows to stimulate the economy and more war for profit ..OMG it's so funny ...
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But abortion is not my primary issue and not an issue that would prevent me from voting for any candidate .. My issues are more wars , more deficit spending , more foreign aid to countries that hate us , more funding of the drug war which is a human rights tragedy on it's on ... Also my issues are civil liberties and laws such as the Patriot ACT , SOPA , NDAA and other stuff they are conjuring up to stripp us of our constitutional rights....
As far as 18's response ,,,, Doug Wead was Ron Paul's chief Campaign strategist , I would assume he knows what he is talking about...... Romney has millions and millions of dollars and he threatened to destroy the Paul legacy and ruin any chance for Rand to have any future success in politics..... It most likely was a threat to go on a smear campaign attacking Ron Paul for the racist news letters that were mere race baiting and not written by him.. .Though he took full responsiblity for the newsletters and disavowed them , with enough Romney money you could really do a massive smear campaign , True or Not the allegations would have been devastating ..... I too believe Ron Paul should have told Romney to shove it , but I think Ron Paul thought about it and decided he is too old for these games anymore and figured it would be better to keep things safe for his son Rand .... Whom with the support of his father and his fathers supporters really has a chance in 2016 because everybody knows Obama is going to win and be re-elected....
As far as the comments made by 23 , you are wrong ... I am deeply involved in the Liberty Movement and have been to many meet ups , many rallies and know many fellow revolutionaries... I don't know any that are latching on to the GOP mainstream... WE see bachman and Palin and Paul Ryan as nothing more than NeoCons who have tried to co-opt the liberty movement .. We are smart enough to see a wolf in sheeps clothing when we see one. We are die hard Ron Paul supporters and we are not supporting the GOP.....
We are taking over the GOP and NO it will not happen over night... But look at how much our movement has grown in the last 4 years... Our numbers have quadrupled , we have elected leaders in the congress , the senate , the state level and the local level GOP leadership ...
As far as creating another party , there already is another party . The libertarian party and you see just how much traction a third party gets... Even 7-11 only has a coffee cup for Obama or Romney .
The GOP is a dying party and we intend on finishing it off and killing it for good. We are more active then the old gaurd and we know how to move in and take over local meetings ...
And to comment 25 ,,, LOL haha ha ha ... Keynesian economics LOL my sides splitting ,,lol deficit spending lol OMG ,,, more printing of worthless money and borrowing from the chinese . LOL ROFLMAO ,, More breaking of windows to stimulate the economy and more war for profit ..OMG it's so funny ...
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Most of the "Ron Paul people" I know (full disclosure: including me) actually *prefer* Gary Johnson, who has none of Ron Paul's cranky old-man Jesus weirdness.
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He did not suggest anything of the sort. He specifically said in that interview that he was NOT going to say he was voting for Gary Johnson, or anyone else. He was talking about who should be in the DEBATES when he said 'yeah'. The guy who wrote that article works for Gary Johnson.
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and to joelgrus, most Ron Paul supporters most certainly do not prefer Johnson, which is why Ron Paul was running 20%+ in a Reuters national poll for the GOP primary in February and Johnson never polled nationally above 4% in any reputable poll I ever saw.
Johnson does not work from principle and is too friendly to corporatism, NAFTA etc.
Johnson does not work from principle and is too friendly to corporatism, NAFTA etc.
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"Ron Paul is smarter than you think he is."
Hahahaah, this is like the "eleventh dimensional chess" the pundits put out for Obama, but for a much dumber candidate. Ron Paul is a simpleton and so are his fans.
Hahahaah, this is like the "eleventh dimensional chess" the pundits put out for Obama, but for a much dumber candidate. Ron Paul is a simpleton and so are his fans.
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@13: "His son Rand is trying to infiltrate the ranks of the GOP"
His son Rand is a fairly standard Republican. What's there to infiltrate?
His son Rand is a fairly standard Republican. What's there to infiltrate?
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30 .. hahahahahaha , Ron Paul is a veteran , flight surgeon , OBGYN who delivered over 4000 babies and a Congressman for 20 years ....... Are you saying that he is a simpleton? If you have accomplished half of what he has what does that make you?
31 . His son Rand is fighting the TSA , the Patriot ACT , SOPA , NDAA and he want's to audit the Pentagon and the FED ..... How does that make him a standard Republican?
31 . His son Rand is fighting the TSA , the Patriot ACT , SOPA , NDAA and he want's to audit the Pentagon and the FED ..... How does that make him a standard Republican?
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Libratarians are the far, far right of re ubs. They are scary. The followers, blind, brainwashed robots. Ronnie is a redneck, nothing white aryan. He has done absolutely nothing in his 79yrs.
I mean nothing. The only thing ronbots have is that he delivered few hundred babies, big deal so did every obgyn . What does that have to do with anything....really. Then they come out with he was in the military, again what does that have to do with anything, and he was merely Stateside as a two bit military doc. Rontards like to say he had a s otless record as congressman, yes that is because he did nothing as congressman . I mean 23 yrs and he was not able to get one bill through. And luckily as his bills were very scary and fascist if they did get through. The guy is a total waste of uneducated breath. He has the most inane, wacko inter retation of the Constitution. The worse is his scary belief that if everyone was christian and believed in the bible, we would not need laws. Do I need to mention that all his affiliations, friends, membershi card, associations are with numerous white aryan organizations...from the American Nazis , AKgrou , KKK, constitution arty,etc. Then you have the ronbots who can only regurgitate words from tutor tommie woods, who founded the league of the south, or ronbots bombard tons of loontarian,ronnie links....as if they had any credibility.
I mean nothing. The only thing ronbots have is that he delivered few hundred babies, big deal so did every obgyn . What does that have to do with anything....really. Then they come out with he was in the military, again what does that have to do with anything, and he was merely Stateside as a two bit military doc. Rontards like to say he had a s otless record as congressman, yes that is because he did nothing as congressman . I mean 23 yrs and he was not able to get one bill through. And luckily as his bills were very scary and fascist if they did get through. The guy is a total waste of uneducated breath. He has the most inane, wacko inter retation of the Constitution. The worse is his scary belief that if everyone was christian and believed in the bible, we would not need laws. Do I need to mention that all his affiliations, friends, membershi card, associations are with numerous white aryan organizations...from the American Nazis , AKgrou , KKK, constitution arty,etc. Then you have the ronbots who can only regurgitate words from tutor tommie woods, who founded the league of the south, or ronbots bombard tons of loontarian,ronnie links....as if they had any credibility.
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