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Wednesday, October 3, 2012

SL Letter of the Day: Bad Attitude

Posted by on Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:18 PM

I'm on hiatus while working on a manuscript for a new book. In the meantime, please enjoy these classic Savage Love letters pulled from previous columns. I will be back November 1st, when the book is finished. —Dan

Originally published March 5, 2009:

I have lived with my boyfriend for almost two years. He says he loves me and does a lot of loving things for me. We are both in our early 60s, but we have the sexual energy of 20-year-olds. Here's the problem: I am overweight (size 18). I was overweight when he met me. I now know that he hates fat women. You should hear his disgust when he sees them on TV or on the street. He has begun to tease me and make jokes about my weight. This hurts my feelings, and I have told him so. He says I'm too sensitive. What is your advice to me?

Fat And Teased

My response after the jump...

Before I answer your question, FAT, I'm going to take a little stroll down Suppressed Memory Lane: I once had a "bisexual" boyfriend. (I place bisexual in quotes, Angry Bisexual Community, only because this guy wasn't bisexual. That doesn't mean other guys aren't bisexual.) My "bisexual" boyfriend liked to claim that he really wasn't that into men until I came along—I was the magical exception, the one guy who did it for him—but even then, he told people loudly at parties, he was mostly turned on by how into him I was, he wasn't that into me or my junk. (He could barely stand to look at my cock—which is why he stuffed it in his mouth or ass whenever we got naked.)

And you know what, FAT? He made disparaging comments constantly about gay men he saw on the street or on TV—gay men like the one he was with—and put me down constantly for having a much more serious case of the gay than he did. He was going to marry a woman one day, a woman with lady parts, and have a family; I was going to remain hopelessly gay all my life. He was, of course, gayer than a college wrestling team and eventually came out as gay—much to the consternation of all his friends who believed him when he said that he wasn't really that into men. (By which I mean to say, much to the consternation of absolutely no one.)

Anyway, your current boyfriend (early 60s, straight, asshole) reminded me of my old boyfriend (20, gay, asshole). A man who claims to have fallen in love with someone who he's not attracted to, or someone who disgusts him, expressly so he can belittle that person and make that person feel awful, well, that man is a complete asshole, FAT, and my first impulse is to advise you DTMFA just like I did my asshole boyfriend. But...

You say he's good to you otherwise, does loads for you, and fucks you regularly—so before you dump this motherfucker, FAT, let's consider reforming him. Say he's totally into you and into big women, just like my ex was totally into cock. But, like my ex, he's uncomfortable with his sexuality and worries about what other people think—including you, FAT, as paradoxical as that may sound. So he makes asshole comments in an effort to hide his true feelings—possibility fetishistic feelings—for big women. The asshole comments allow him to pretend that he's not into your body, just hopelessly in love with you, the person you are on the inside—which makes him one of the "good guys," i.e., a guy who isn't so shallow as to let a little thing like your weight come between you.

While I had to dump my "bisexual" boyfriend, FAT, a little shock-and-awe therapy might convince your "fatphobic" boyfriend to knock it off. You shouldn't have to put up with his comments, FAT, whether they're motivated by shame for his attraction to big fat asses or, if my theory is incorrect, by a genuine hatred for fat people. Either way, FAT, you've got to tell him—in no uncertain terms—to knock it the fuck off already. Don't be measured, don't wrap it up in "I" statements, no mewling about your feelings. Give him both barrels: "If you don't knock it the fuck off—the asshole comments, the stupid jokes—I'm going to kick your ass out, got it?" A strategic blowup or two should occur—scream, yell, smash a few things you're not all that attached to—when he slips up. Repeat until his attitude changes or his address does.

 

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treefort 1
great advice! your boyfriend reminds me of those young/newly out gay men who put a huge emphasis on not appearing gay and won't date guys who don't pass as straight. grow the fuck up. i hope that your theory is correct and that guy admits to that woman and everyone else that he thinks she's as hot as fuck. they'll both be a lot happier.
Posted by treefort on October 3, 2012 at 1:46 PM
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Off-topic, but does anyone know what Dan's new book is about? We need a leak!
Posted by Margaret L. on October 3, 2012 at 3:05 PM
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Every time he comments on the size of your thighs, comment on the size of his dick.
Posted by avast2006 on October 3, 2012 at 3:12 PM
Jaymz 4
I really like this one - good job Dan even if it is a re-run. It's a classic case of self-hatred and reflective embarassment that needs to be corrected, even at this late stage in his assholery life.
Posted by Jaymz on October 3, 2012 at 3:23 PM
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I like seeing this reprinted, this was one of my favorites.

I'm fat and although I have never had a jerk boyfriend, I hate it when people talk about how disgusting some fat person is in front of me. They always justify it by saying I'm not REALLY fat, I'm just overweight. People who are REALLY fat are horrible. This excuse is bullshit, I'm 300 pounds. The only reason they do not consider me fat is because they made a rule for themselves that they are not allowed to befriend fat people, so cognitive dissonance tricks them into thinking I'm not actually fat. My own mother pointed at a fat person and said I should shoot her if she ever became that fat. People are dicks.
Posted by TheLastComment on October 3, 2012 at 5:59 PM
long-time reader 6
My only point of disagreement with Dan is the idea to "smash a few things". I think it's threatening, immature, and counterproductive to smash stuff to prove your point.
Posted by long-time reader on October 3, 2012 at 6:08 PM
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No, the proper ending for the boyfriend story would be if he really did marry a woman after all. It would have been much to my consternation when he adjusted his public orientation; I'd never want such a person in my box.

I do have a strange impulse to ask how much housework the ex did. I haven't decided yet what I'd like the answer to be, but there's bound to be a way to spin it to advantage.
Posted by vennominon on October 3, 2012 at 7:43 PM
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I think that a well-timed, well-controlled, shit fit is a GREAT way to show someone JUST how serious you are. I will never hear "Well I had no idea it bothered you THAT much!" because I made it (whatever "it" is) infinitely clear. To date, in my 5year relationship that includes marriage... I have had ONE true shit fit. All other major problems have been taken seriously with conversation and the phrase "Do you understand, or do I need to throw a shit fit?"
Posted by auntielarrie on October 4, 2012 at 9:44 AM
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But I'm pretty chill and my husband isn't an asshole..
Posted by auntielarrie on October 4, 2012 at 9:50 AM
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@8: Wow, in other words you're a bully and an abusive asshole. It's rare to see people so honest about it.
Posted by Old Crow on October 4, 2012 at 11:36 AM
gr8lakesgrrl 11
This one is pretty good, I would only add that turn about is fair play, he can't look THAT good in his 60's, you telling me he doesn't have a gut? or a receding hairline? Have a shit fit, but don't break things, just make your point.

e.g. Clueless husband complains about lack of sex after baby, wife says "what about all the head?" Husband has a hissy fit complaining "that doesn't count" unless he finishes. Wife explains if that's the criteria, then they have *never* had sex, since she had yet to finish during the act of coitus. Husband shuts up. Wife goes on to cite the Clinton Rule, anytime a dick touches lips, that counts as sex. Husband nods and apologizes.
Posted by gr8lakesgrrl on October 4, 2012 at 11:55 AM
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@10 Manipulative behavior is very common in relationships, it's not always bullying or abuse. The word manipulation has a negative stigma, but it is morally neutral and if it makes both people happier and able to remain together, there is no problem.
Posted by TheLastComment on October 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM
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If you are going to smash shit, it had better be YOUR shit.

Because if smashing things is an appropriate way to get the point across that you are upset, well then, I'm (hypothetically) upset that you just broke something that belongs to me. Which of your things should I break to let you know how I'm feeling about that?
Posted by avast2006 on October 4, 2012 at 12:05 PM
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Snark aside, what you need to tell him is that you don't like it when he does that. Not that it hurts your feelings, that you don't like it. If you try to make it about some innate quality of the words being mean, or that it's him being mean, he has leverage to argue back. What you like and dislike, you own that, and it is your place of power over which he has no say.

If he tries to come back with "you need a thicker skin" look him in the eye and say "I...DON'T...LIKE...IT. And I have no intention of trying to learn to like it, you obnoxious moron. If you want to be with me, you will refrain from making those sorts of comments in my presence, whether they are aimed at me or about someone else. That's the price of admission. If you persist, I will break up with you. Period, end of discussion. Have I made myself perfectly clear?"

Posted by avast2006 on October 4, 2012 at 1:06 PM
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Regarding slip-ups, I disagree about screaming and smashing things. People who needle other people do it to get a rise out of them, and screaming and breaking things is paying off in spades. You need to deprive him of his payoff.

You can go ahead and have it cost him something extra, to help make the point. Along the lines of "You may have noticed that I was in the middle of making dinner for you. Now, I'm no longer interested. That comment just cost you your dinner, and my company for the rest of the evening. Good night." Then unceremoniously dump the ingredients in the trash. At the door, turn and say, "Perhaps you don't think I'm serious about this. That was chance number one. You have two left." Then leave.
Posted by avast2006 on October 4, 2012 at 1:16 PM
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Wow, all the fat stuff on the intersphere these days made me realize something: Because I'm a skinny bitch I get to say things like, "My favorite special effect in Once upon a Time was the gingerbread house; I would have eaten the heck out of that" or "There's ice cream at that club?! HOW DO I GET IN!" Overweight and obese chicks couldn't get away with that.
Posted by DRF on October 4, 2012 at 2:57 PM
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I'd love to hear what she did about this dude. How'd it turn out? Enquiring minds want to know!
Posted by portland scribe on October 4, 2012 at 7:01 PM
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@15: Just curious, how is what you're suggesting any less hostile than smashing shit? I don't think that I'd have to do either thing in order to get my point across, but I'm downright scary when I'm mad just because of what happens to my face and voice. I have a feeling a sweet little old lady probably has to do something more, and I don't understand how the extremely controlled throwing out of a half-made dinner is all that different from smashing a bottle or something. Both are designed to show that she's not just "cute", she's angry, and she needs to be taken seriously. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think smashing shit is really all that different from throwing out half-made dinner (which seems... oddly specific to me).
Posted by alguna_rubia on October 5, 2012 at 2:39 PM
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@18: First, dinner is replaceable in a way that other possessions are less so.

Second, my point was that that screaming and breaking things is a huge payoff in emotional energy to the person trying to provoke it; while dispassionately describing your response is much less of a payoff.

Whatever seriously scary thing happens to your face when you are angry (what, sprouting reptile scales?), that's still giving him the charge of knowing he really got you steamed. That is power over you. The more you can deprive him of that, the less incentive he has to keep trying it. You don't need to let him know you are angry -- in fact, if you do let him know that, he has won this round.

I can see how dumping the dinner ingredients in the trash might come across as just as violent as breaking a plate. If you prefer, just walk away from them. The main thing is to remove all potential rewards from the situation.

Half-made dinner was just one example. You can walk out on any situation. If you were in the middle of blowing him, stop, put your clothes on, and leave. If you were in the middle of reading a book, there isn't much of the evening to dispose of before leaving. The main thing is that you want him to come away from the incident thinking that his gambit was a net loss to him. Dinner was just one example of being this close to getting two nice things (dinner cooked by you, and the pleasure of your company) and now as a result of his actions, he gets neither -- and he also doesn't get the emotional charge of a blowup.
Posted by avast2006 on October 5, 2012 at 3:26 PM

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