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Tuesday, October 2, 2012

LiveSlogging the Inslee-McKenna Debate in Yakima

Posted by on Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:00 PM

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The livestream is here. You can also watch the debate on KCTS-9 or listen to it live on KUOW 94.9 FM.

Eli: Which is not to say that we're in Yakima. I'm watching the livestream from an undisclosed location and Goldy—allegedly—is joining from Drinking Liberally.

Goldy: Slogging live from the Montlake Ale House!

Eli: Ooh, "challenge" cards. How many do I get to use against Goldy?

Goldy: McKenna wins the coin toss! Which means he gets to go first, but has to speak in Spanish.

Eli: And does so rather well. All Inslee has to offer in Spanish is "buenos noches."

Goldy: Once again I have an audio/video synching problem with my stream. But then again McKenna's words often don't synch with his mouth.

Eli: Actually, there's some sort of technical difficulty. Enrique Cerna is vamping like a champ while they try to fix McKenna's mic.

Goldy: "Pretend that you were trapped in an elevator with an undecided voter." Or better yet, why not make McKenna pretend he is trapped in an elevator with me?

Eli: Inslee's elevator plan is to talk secret sauce recipes.

Goldy: Inslee has more points on his plan than McKenna. That's why he's winning.

Eli: And McKenna says Inslee's plan may have more points, but doesn't offer meaningful details.

Goldy: McKenna's at a huge disadvantage in this debate, because now he has to hold a microphone, which means he can only gesticulate with ONE hand. That's half the gesticulation. And half the points.

Eli: Inslee brings up "lean management." Is McKenna gonna sock him? (As he said he wanted to at a recent editorial board meeting.)

Goldy: McKenna goes after Inslee for "quitting Congress." Missed opportunity at a zinger. The question was about agricultural issues, and McKenna talks about H1B visas and high tech.

Eli: Inslee didn't miss the zinger opportunity. He says of McKenna's immigration criticism: "It is a little bit of an irony to be chastised by a Republican on this subject."

Goldy: Cerno reminds the audience "no applause." Don't think they'll have much desire to, though.

Eli: Lots of voter ID talk. And it produces the first "challenge" card, from McKenna. He says Inslee is "muddling" the issue. He just wants a higher bar for getting a driver's license. (Which is what Inslee is saying he wants, too.)

Goldy: McKenna says that Inslee is trying to muddle their distinction on drivers licenses, but I think it's more Inslee that's muddled rather than the distinction.

Eli: McKenna gets testy about Inslee trying to "nationalize" the race by mentioning Mitt Romney.

Goldy: McKenna: "I love the way Congressman Inslee is trying to nationalize the race." No he doesn't. The nationalizing of this race is part of what's killing McKenna. But then, it's his fault for being a Republican.

Goldy: Inslee: "We are not Louisiana." But don't fix our tax structure and we will be eventually.

Eli: McKenna gets to ask a question... And he wants to know how Inslee will deal with the current budget deficit. Will he vote to raise taxes the way he did "the last time he was in state government"? (A million years ago.) Inslee's answer: No.

Goldy: And Inslee responds with an almost-zinger by accusing McKenna of proposing to raise property taxes.

Eli: McKenna keeps trying to attack Inslee for being slippery with the facts, but he's coming off as a bit defensive.

Goldy: And too dickish. McKenna is coming off as rather smug. Which may work rhetorically, but doesn't exactly help with the likability thing.

Eli: Plus, I'm not sure wrestling in the weeds is McKenna's way up in the polls.

Goldy: McKenna: "They don't hear gunfire at where they live." And neither does McKenna. Me, on the other hand, a couple blocks off Rainier Avenue S....

Eli: You know, I really don't think lines like "It's a little bit hard to take the Congressman seriously" work when you're seriously behind in the polls. That's the talk of someone who's ahead. Clearly voters take the Congressman seriously. McKenna—and a minority of voters—don't.

Goldy: McKenna starts each of his segments by dissing Inslee. I think McKenna thinks he's going on the offensive, but it mostly comes off as defensive.

Eli: McKenna drops the mic. (And not in the way a pro does it.)

Goldy: Neither support the marijuana initiative, but at least Inslee says he would work to implement it if passed. It's a much more politic answer.

Goldy: I'd suspect the mic thing was a conspiracy, but you'd think the AV geeks would identify with McKenna rather than the jock Inslee.

Eli: McKenna, for like the 12th time, tells us "it's not that simple." But he's not so good at making simple points. Which is how you win debates. Inslee is much better at this.

Goldy: Inslee raises the 47 percent. There he goes nationalizing the race again.

Eli: Inslee moves in for the kill, linking McKenna to Romney's 47 percent callousness over McKenna's health care positions.

Goldy: McKenna really should sit down with me. I think we'd hit it off. We're both wonks. And we're both assholes.

Eli: Inslee uses ANOTHER challenge to keep wrestling McKenna to the mat over health care reform.

Goldy: The right to opt out of Medicaid expansion is the only thing McKenna got out of the anti-Obamacare lawsuit, and it clearly sounds like McKenna intends to exercise this right.

Eli: I still can't get over McKenna's failure to drop the mic right. Here's how you do it:

Goldy: Maybe I'm biased, but I'm just not sure that McKenna can get away with coming off as such a total dick. On the other hand, most voters aren't watching this, so maybe McKenna's aggressiveness will play well with reporters, and voters will hear that McKenna won secondhand?

Eli: That's the only upside I can think of. Maybe it's an appeal to the refs strategy.

Goldy: It's like McKenna is running for the job writing the Seattle Times' "Truth Needle" pieces.

Eli: It's like he wants a job blogging for The Stranger.

Goldy: That's a great idea, Eli. We should hand Slog over to McKenna for a day!

Eli: You think he'd do it? I'll ask Charles McCray III... And won't hold my breath.

Goldy: No, Rob, McLeary says the state is spending too little on basic education.

Eli: Coal trains! Now HERE is a non-answer. McKenna isn't saying anything firm on coal trains. But, neither is Inslee. In fact, he seems to like the jobs that might come with building more coal train ports.

Goldy: Inslee's given a clearer answer in the past. Inslee has implied in the past that the coal trains may cost more jobs than they produce. But he frames his approach in jobs.

Eli: McKenna says people who support Inslee represent "the status quo."

Goldy: McKenna keeps dissing "the people who are supporting" Inslee. Last poll I saw, Inslee's support stood right about 47 percent. Hmmm....

Eli: And that's that. "Muchos gracias," says Inslee.

Goldy: I don't think Inslee gave as good a performance as he did in the last couple debates I saw. A bit more rambling. A bit less coherent. But in going on the offensive so relentlessly, McKenna just came off as a total dick. Even if you agreed with him, it would be hard to like him.

Eli: I think Inslee's strategy was to just keep using the talking points that have put him ahead in the polls so far. And sometimes he couldn't shoehorn the talking point he had in mind into the opening provided by the question, so it came off as... clumsy.

But I agree this doesn't change much. First of all, as we keep asking each other: WHO BESIDES US IS ACTUALLY WATCHING THESE THINGS?

And anyway, whatever problems Inslee had tonight, they were eclipsed by McKenna's churlishness.

They both need to step up their game before the 16th, when they're coming on right after the presidential debate. (Which means people actually will be watching.)

Goldy: I agree. Voters will go with clumsy over churl. Hence Bush v. Gore.

Goldy: Are we done? I need a drink.

Eli: That's what you said to me eight hours ago.

 

Comments (35) RSS

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Joe Szilagyi 1
Is McKenna's mic screwed up? God I can imagine the complaints of conspiracy.
Posted by Joe Szilagyi http://twitter.com/joeszi on October 2, 2012 at 7:04 PM
2
http://www.yakima-herald.com/page/livede… stream it here
Posted by smhh on October 2, 2012 at 7:05 PM
3
Are there other issues in the race besides weed and gay marriage?
Posted by DannyG on October 2, 2012 at 7:10 PM
4
Not using Cover-it-live or an equivalent this time?
Posted by just curious on October 2, 2012 at 7:12 PM
BombasticMO 5
Maybe McKenna could close his polling gab with a little hair gel and frosted tips.
Posted by BombasticMO http://www.BombasticMo.com on October 2, 2012 at 7:12 PM
6
I guess my information will come from Eli, Goldy and comments. Two questions in, and I can't bear to listen to them anymore.....
Posted by lawgeek on October 2, 2012 at 7:19 PM
Gern Blanston 7
Inslee has a droopy mouth when he speaks, like Carl the groundskeeper in the movie "Caddyshack."
Posted by Gern Blanston on October 2, 2012 at 7:21 PM
DOUG. 8
The KCTS feed is terrible.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on October 2, 2012 at 7:21 PM
9
Is everyone else watching KCTS getting the audio and video out of sync?
Posted by ZacF on October 2, 2012 at 7:23 PM
Ipso Facto 10
What a snotty little twit McKenna is.

Too bad Inslee comes off kind of oafish.
Posted by Ipso Facto http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/voterocky/pages/602/attachments/original/1348622109/fbcomic_copy.png?1348622109 on October 2, 2012 at 7:26 PM
Ipso Facto 11
The KCTS broadcast (over airwaves, not web stream) is great. Watch it on your TV.
Posted by Ipso Facto http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/voterocky/pages/602/attachments/original/1348622109/fbcomic_copy.png?1348622109 on October 2, 2012 at 7:28 PM
Gern Blanston 12
Rob McKenna with a microphone = Worst MC in the History of Rap.
Posted by Gern Blanston on October 2, 2012 at 7:29 PM
BombasticMO 13
Both men suck at math. The Republican is more pro-tax than the Democrat, and neither one will fix our state budget.
Posted by BombasticMO http://www.BombasticMo.com on October 2, 2012 at 7:29 PM
14
Reading this blog is so much better than the real event!
Posted by 1971 on October 2, 2012 at 7:35 PM
15
I could only take about 10 seconds of that.

Where's the live blogging plug-in?
Posted by I Got Nuthin' on October 2, 2012 at 7:40 PM
Joe Szilagyi 16
McKenna really is stupid. Even if you have 5 years of coverage covered by Federal Medicaid money, it's FIVE YEARS FREE.
Posted by Joe Szilagyi http://twitter.com/joeszi on October 2, 2012 at 7:42 PM
Ipso Facto 17
Wow, McKenna is just such an unbearable fop. Just a wholly unlikeable person.

The tone of his remarks reminds me of a few particularly snippy SLOG commenters.
Posted by Ipso Facto http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/voterocky/pages/602/attachments/original/1348622109/fbcomic_copy.png?1348622109 on October 2, 2012 at 7:53 PM
18
Thank you, Eli. Thank you, Goldy.
Posted by lawgeek on October 2, 2012 at 8:07 PM
19
I gotta tell you, I thought McKenna won. I'm not voting for the guy because of his stand on healthcare, reproductive health, and undocumented immigrants, but he was fighting like an underdog tonight. He was relentless in his attacks and Inslee really couldn't, or didn't bother, to fend them off. Inslee, to me, really came off as the slick, complacent career politician. McKenna was annoyingly scrappy, but his command of details compared favorably with the more evasive Inslee. McKenna was also really good in highlighting where there was no difference between the two, as well as calling out Inslee when the latter tried to use the extreneous Romney-Obama debate to his benefit.

Bottom line: I thought McKenna's debating technique was much more solid than Inslee's. I hope Obama does better than Inslee tomorrow.
Posted by floater on October 2, 2012 at 8:11 PM
Will in Seattle 20
I think we should let McKenna SLOG for a day.

And have Inslee feed him the stories, for equal time.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 2, 2012 at 8:21 PM
Sean Kinney 21
Inslee wins by default, because this is a blue state. Not because he has anything compelling to say - because he doesn't.
Posted by Sean Kinney http:// on October 2, 2012 at 8:25 PM
Sean Kinney 22
And in a blue state.... we can't have an adult conversation about taxation, equity, and what we owe our children.

Reagan still rules the day. Demoralizing....
Posted by Sean Kinney http:// on October 2, 2012 at 8:33 PM
23
Omg, are you kidding Joe? Federal Medicaid money is not "free". It comes from you and me......the taxpayers. Unless, you do not pay taxes, Joe. If the Feds are promising to pay the Medicaid bill 100% for a couple years and our national deficit/budget is in it's current state, you can darn well bet they will raise our taxes to pay that Medicare bill. Nothing is free. This concept is really basic.
Posted by Concerned in MV on October 2, 2012 at 9:44 PM
Gay Dude for Romney 24
I must say, McKenna has got to tone down his snide, smug, "arrogant-professor" tone down a few notches.
Posted by Gay Dude for Romney http://mittromney.com on October 2, 2012 at 9:52 PM
levide 25
If that "zinger" strategy is your boy's tomorrow, he's toast.
Posted by levide on October 2, 2012 at 9:55 PM
Sean Kinney 26
The Tacoma News Tribune's candidate bios are interesting:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/07/16…

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/07/16…

McKenna's body language: he is The Smartest Guy in the Room. He is supposed to win. It was in the cards, and he now going to lose to someone who is, in his view, a moron.

Now he knows what it feels like to be Jimmy Carter.
Posted by Sean Kinney http:// on October 2, 2012 at 10:14 PM
HOT PUSSY 27
Am I the only one who thinks Rob McKenna looks like Miss Hathaway from the Beverly Hillbillies? http://bit.ly/WhtpTC
Posted by HOT PUSSY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4QKiYar9pI on October 2, 2012 at 10:33 PM
Confluence 28
She is not a convincing man.
Posted by Confluence on October 2, 2012 at 11:48 PM
29
@27 Thank you! I've been trying to work it out for ages, who he reminded me of. Of course it's Miss Hathaway. Duh. The manboobies should have clued me in earlier though.
Posted by originalcinner on October 3, 2012 at 8:20 AM
Sir Vic 30
@27 & @29 FWIW, Nancy Kulp was gay. And a decorated war veteran. We've come a long way, baby?
Posted by Sir Vic on October 3, 2012 at 8:30 AM
31
Inslees mouth looks like he has spend years at the service end of a glory hole.
Posted by Lew Siffer on October 3, 2012 at 8:39 AM
ScrawnyKayaker 32
@27 Ten points for Ravenclaw.
Posted by ScrawnyKayaker on October 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM
33
Something about McKenna's squeaky, smarmy performance really made me want to give him an atomic wedgie and stuff him in the trash can behind the cafetorium.

But I'd bet Jay probably did that to Rob on a weekly basis in high school.
Posted by Mr. Happy Sunshine on October 3, 2012 at 9:45 AM
34
How sad we have a choice between nasty hateful little POS and inept confabulating old jock with a few liberal opinions.
Posted by sarah70 on October 3, 2012 at 10:23 AM
35
Entertaining live blog of the debate. Here's my Crosscut analysis piece. I think McKenna's driver's "permit" proposal deserves more scrutiny:
http://crosscut.com/2012/10/03/washingto…
--Harris Meyer
Yakima
Posted by HarrisMeyer on October 3, 2012 at 1:37 PM

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