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News & ArtsSunday, September 23, 2012
Gay Marriage / 2012 / LGBTQITSLFA John Corvino: "Is Gay Marriage a Threat to Traditional Marriage?"
Posted by Dan Savage on Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:30 AM
John Corvino's new series of YouTube videos is a godsend for supporters of marriage equality all over the country—but they're going to be particularly helpful for supporters of marriage equality in Washington state, Maine, Maryland, and Minnesota, all states where marriage is on the ballot this November. John Corvino's entire series of Marriage Equality videos is here. For more info about John go to his website.
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Recognizing homosexual pairings as ‘marriage’ probably does not threaten many existing hetrerosexual marriages.
And while this is a favorite strawman of Queer,Inc. we have never seen anyone claim that it does.
We’re not saying no one has, we have just never seen it....
However the institution of Traditional Heterosexual Marriage is under relentless assault in our society, and is losing badly.
Traditional Heterosexual Marriage conveys huge benefits to the individuals who are in it and the society they live in.
Superior mental health, longer life span, greater economic security; the list is long.
It is, literally, the fundamental building block of our society.
And children raised in a traditional heterosexual marriage are, again, at a huge advantage over children raised in any and all olther configrations.
But in the Qunited States of Gaymerica traditional heterosexual marriage is a dying institution.
In the 50s 70+% of American adults were in a marriage.
Currently less than 50% are.
A 30% decrease in the number of married adults in just a couple of generations.
And the percentage of children living outside Traditional Heterosexual Marriage has dropped dramatically more than that.
Those statistics explain a great deal of the social chaos our society is suffering,
particularly relating to child poiverty and educational attainment levels.
Telling children that homosexual pairings are Just As Good as Traditional Heterosexual Marriage is a Lie.
Lying to the rising generations about Traditional Heterosexual Marriage is no way to rescue it.
So stop.
And while this is a favorite strawman of Queer,Inc. we have never seen anyone claim that it does.
We’re not saying no one has, we have just never seen it....
However the institution of Traditional Heterosexual Marriage is under relentless assault in our society, and is losing badly.
Traditional Heterosexual Marriage conveys huge benefits to the individuals who are in it and the society they live in.
Superior mental health, longer life span, greater economic security; the list is long.
It is, literally, the fundamental building block of our society.
And children raised in a traditional heterosexual marriage are, again, at a huge advantage over children raised in any and all olther configrations.
But in the Qunited States of Gaymerica traditional heterosexual marriage is a dying institution.
In the 50s 70+% of American adults were in a marriage.
Currently less than 50% are.
A 30% decrease in the number of married adults in just a couple of generations.
And the percentage of children living outside Traditional Heterosexual Marriage has dropped dramatically more than that.
Those statistics explain a great deal of the social chaos our society is suffering,
particularly relating to child poiverty and educational attainment levels.
Telling children that homosexual pairings are Just As Good as Traditional Heterosexual Marriage is a Lie.
Lying to the rising generations about Traditional Heterosexual Marriage is no way to rescue it.
So stop.
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Remember the days when Dan didn't have is nationwide trolls network polluting Slog?
BTW, John is dreamy, and Dan is wonderful for posting these
BTW, John is dreamy, and Dan is wonderful for posting these
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And no one forces or 'pressures' homosexuals to fraudulently enter Traditional Heterosexual Marriages.
Grow some Balls and take some fucking responsibility....
Grow some Balls and take some fucking responsibility....
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Many heterosexuals are not suited for Traditional Heterosexual Marriage, either.
And they should not marry, either.
If you don't want a Traditional Heterosexual Marriage, don't get one.
You have our permission not to marry a woman, John.
now run along and play......
And they should not marry, either.
If you don't want a Traditional Heterosexual Marriage, don't get one.
You have our permission not to marry a woman, John.
now run along and play......
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Marriage in general is a form of slavery as it involves a human "contract" enforced by law. Even if both parties sign such a contract willingly, as in the case of work contracts, it is essentially unConstitutional.
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#2 YOU LIE! "it is, literally, the fundamental building block of our society." That is NOT true. SANITATION is the LITERAL building foundation of all societies. Rome did not spend money and the lives of slaves building the institution of marriage, they did it to build an Aqua-duct to bring in CLEAN water. Nations do not spend millions of dollars to build the institution of marriage, they spend millions of dollars to build waste water plants that keep the environment clean. Civilizations understood the need for clean food and preserving it as clean. None of them spent time and resources on creating an "institution" of marriage so their societies could grow or be stable. SANITATION is the foundation of society.
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Homosexual pairings do not convey the same benefits
to the individuals or society
that Traditional Heterosexual Marriage does.
And,
sorry,
calling it 'marriage' does not change that fact.
A pig with lipstick is still a pig, etc etc etc.....
It does, however, confuse the children.
Truth in Advertising
demands that we do not allow homosexuals
to fraudulently call their couplings 'marriage'.
Surely Danny can come up with a clever name.
'monogamish' is so perky and cute, after all.
maybe "Marrisn't" ?
Ok. that's really bad. we defer to Danny....
to the individuals or society
that Traditional Heterosexual Marriage does.
And,
sorry,
calling it 'marriage' does not change that fact.
A pig with lipstick is still a pig, etc etc etc.....
It does, however, confuse the children.
Truth in Advertising
demands that we do not allow homosexuals
to fraudulently call their couplings 'marriage'.
Surely Danny can come up with a clever name.
'monogamish' is so perky and cute, after all.
maybe "Marrisn't" ?
Ok. that's really bad. we defer to Danny....
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upon reflection we see that you are correct.
although we think cable TV may be giving Sanitation a run for its money.....
upon reflection we see that you are correct.
although we think cable TV may be giving Sanitation a run for its money.....
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Troll, if you really want to look at the decline in marriage rates, you should look at factors that have been happening during that time period rather than blaming it on something that has only happened in a few states and for a very short duration.
Gay marriage isn't a factor in declining marriage rates, it can't be, it hasn't been around long enough to have any kind of influence.
If you really care about marriage, which I doubt you do. Then maybe look at what has happened to people in this country while marriage rates declined. Oh, wow, it looks like people over than the very top have gotten poorer. Marriage isn't as important when you have no property to protect (the major reason for a contractual agreement like marriage). In all honesty if you guys had spent all your moral outrage fighting our societies' acceptance of greed rather than fighting the powerless. Then we wouldn't be seeing this decline in marriage rates. You are to blame for the state of this country. If you had been helping rather than demonizing your fellow citizens, America would be a better place. Instead you wasted your moral capital on the powerless, let the powerful become even more powerful and pushed people away from religion with an absolutism which can never cope with the complexity of the world.
Good job, you're making it worse. Keep hating your own fellow Americans.
Gay marriage isn't a factor in declining marriage rates, it can't be, it hasn't been around long enough to have any kind of influence.
If you really care about marriage, which I doubt you do. Then maybe look at what has happened to people in this country while marriage rates declined. Oh, wow, it looks like people over than the very top have gotten poorer. Marriage isn't as important when you have no property to protect (the major reason for a contractual agreement like marriage). In all honesty if you guys had spent all your moral outrage fighting our societies' acceptance of greed rather than fighting the powerless. Then we wouldn't be seeing this decline in marriage rates. You are to blame for the state of this country. If you had been helping rather than demonizing your fellow citizens, America would be a better place. Instead you wasted your moral capital on the powerless, let the powerful become even more powerful and pushed people away from religion with an absolutism which can never cope with the complexity of the world.
Good job, you're making it worse. Keep hating your own fellow Americans.
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@2 wrote "In the 50s 70+% of American adults were in a marriage.
Currently less than 50% are.
A 30% decrease in the number of married adults in just a couple of generations."
You also wrote "Traditional Heterosexual Marriage conveys huge benefits to the individuals who are in it and the society they live in.
Superior mental health, longer life span, greater economic security; the list is long."
This seems like another good reason to extend the institution to committed gay and lesbian couples. Promoting mental and physical health and economic security seems like a worthy set of goals.
The other day, you wrote that DECADES (your emphasis) of research indicates that children do better when their parents are married. Once again, a good reason to allow gay and lesbian couples with children to get married; the stabilizing influences of marriage are good for ALL children, no matter who your parents are.
It's a funny thing, Troll; most of your arguments *against* marriage equality actually wind up being pretty good arguments *for* marriage equality.
Are you sure there's not a hunky guy down the street who, deep down, in your heart of hearts, you'd like to propose to?
Sounds to me like a good reason to allow gay and lesbian couples to get married. Let's boost those percentages. After all, if you're worried about declining participation in marriage, forcibly keeping willing partners out of the institution doesn't seem like a good way to remedy the situation.
Currently less than 50% are.
A 30% decrease in the number of married adults in just a couple of generations."
You also wrote "Traditional Heterosexual Marriage conveys huge benefits to the individuals who are in it and the society they live in.
Superior mental health, longer life span, greater economic security; the list is long."
This seems like another good reason to extend the institution to committed gay and lesbian couples. Promoting mental and physical health and economic security seems like a worthy set of goals.
The other day, you wrote that DECADES (your emphasis) of research indicates that children do better when their parents are married. Once again, a good reason to allow gay and lesbian couples with children to get married; the stabilizing influences of marriage are good for ALL children, no matter who your parents are.
It's a funny thing, Troll; most of your arguments *against* marriage equality actually wind up being pretty good arguments *for* marriage equality.
Are you sure there's not a hunky guy down the street who, deep down, in your heart of hearts, you'd like to propose to?
Sounds to me like a good reason to allow gay and lesbian couples to get married. Let's boost those percentages. After all, if you're worried about declining participation in marriage, forcibly keeping willing partners out of the institution doesn't seem like a good way to remedy the situation.
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@11 But that would involve him wanting the best for gay people, as opposed to just wanting all gay people to live lonely miserable lives solely because he thinks our sex is icky (or thinks the opposite and feels really guilty about it)
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@15 that's not what I said, I said you were too childish and afraid to face the real challenges of the world. Instead you've wasting your time and energy on the weak. One day, you might man up, register and become an adult. Until then, you're more of the problem than the solution.
You're retort only showed how much you know I'm right.
You're retort only showed how much you know I'm right.
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Dear.
We did not blame the decline
in Traditional Heterosexual Marriage
on gay 'marriage'.
Read it again.
We did observe
that calling homosexual pairings 'marriage'
would make a bad situation worse.
And would be dishonest.
We did not say,
but will now,
that the fact that so many people are willing
to call homosexual pairings 'marriage'
certainly is an indication
of what low regard Marriage is held in,
and how poorly people understand what
and how important it is.
People are poor BECAUSE they have not gotten married
(usually while having kids)
And dear, Marriage IS important.
No one has to marry,
but if they do marry
and make the lifestyle choices
that respect their marriage
they will have a much greater chance
of staying out of poverty.
So. There.
chicken/egg.
Dear.
We did not blame the decline
in Traditional Heterosexual Marriage
on gay 'marriage'.
Read it again.
We did observe
that calling homosexual pairings 'marriage'
would make a bad situation worse.
And would be dishonest.
We did not say,
but will now,
that the fact that so many people are willing
to call homosexual pairings 'marriage'
certainly is an indication
of what low regard Marriage is held in,
and how poorly people understand what
and how important it is.
People are poor BECAUSE they have not gotten married
(usually while having kids)
And dear, Marriage IS important.
No one has to marry,
but if they do marry
and make the lifestyle choices
that respect their marriage
they will have a much greater chance
of staying out of poverty.
So. There.
chicken/egg.
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Every time I see a thread loaded with unregistered comments I want to hug them and tell them that there is enough love in this world for them too. It always seems, to me, that first one must be willing to love so that one can find love.
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@11
oh no.
You didn't read @8, did you?
You can't just call something 'marriage'
and get the MarriageMoJo.
Homosexual pairings
do not convey the same benefits
that Traditional Heterosexual Marriage does.
The huge social benefits of
Traditional Heterosexual Marriage
do not come from the certificate.
(its not REALLY magic...)
They come from making the lifestyle choices
associated with "Traditional Heterosexual Marriage"
Heterosexuals
who do not make those lifestyle choices,
(and many many do not these days),
lose the benefits of Traditional Heterosexual Marriage,
(even if they have the certificate stuck in a drawer somewhere)
alas-
Homosexuals
it seems
are like the foolish fellow
who killed the goose that was laying the Golden Egg...
oh no.
You didn't read @8, did you?
You can't just call something 'marriage'
and get the MarriageMoJo.
Homosexual pairings
do not convey the same benefits
that Traditional Heterosexual Marriage does.
The huge social benefits of
Traditional Heterosexual Marriage
do not come from the certificate.
(its not REALLY magic...)
They come from making the lifestyle choices
associated with "Traditional Heterosexual Marriage"
Heterosexuals
who do not make those lifestyle choices,
(and many many do not these days),
lose the benefits of Traditional Heterosexual Marriage,
(even if they have the certificate stuck in a drawer somewhere)
alas-
Homosexuals
it seems
are like the foolish fellow
who killed the goose that was laying the Golden Egg...
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@17 got it. You really don't care. I'm not going to agrue with someone who doesn't have a case to make. You haven't disproved what I or anyone else added to this, you've just repeated yourself in creepy faux-prose. Good luck with life, I hope you find happiness.
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@13
Oh dear....
We see you aren't feeling any better :(
We won't say anything.
(we will ask Kim if she might have a hug to spare...)
Oh dear....
We see you aren't feeling any better :(
We won't say anything.
(we will ask Kim if she might have a hug to spare...)
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@19 wrote "The huge social benefits of
Traditional Heterosexual Marriage
do not come from the certificate.
(its not REALLY magic...)
They come from making the lifestyle choices
associated with "Traditional Heterosexual Marriage"
It seems willfully perverse to deny a segment of the population the ability to make "lifestyle choices associated with 'Traditional Heterosexual Marriage,' (like, you know, actually getting married), and then to criticize them for not making the choices.
Once again, your arguments that are allegedly against granting marriage equality turn into arguments that actually support it.
Traditional Heterosexual Marriage
do not come from the certificate.
(its not REALLY magic...)
They come from making the lifestyle choices
associated with "Traditional Heterosexual Marriage"
It seems willfully perverse to deny a segment of the population the ability to make "lifestyle choices associated with 'Traditional Heterosexual Marriage,' (like, you know, actually getting married), and then to criticize them for not making the choices.
Once again, your arguments that are allegedly against granting marriage equality turn into arguments that actually support it.
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@18
Thank Kim.
You are so sweet.
We are good but Tetchy Brit really needs a hug.
Could you?
Just be gentle, he looks like he is in a lot of pain.....
Thank Kim.
You are so sweet.
We are good but Tetchy Brit really needs a hug.
Could you?
Just be gentle, he looks like he is in a lot of pain.....
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@24
Clayton, we don't believe you are really that dumb.
Read it again more slowly if you really don't understand what we posted but if you are just being obtuse please stop annoying the adults.....
Clayton, we don't believe you are really that dumb.
Read it again more slowly if you really don't understand what we posted but if you are just being obtuse please stop annoying the adults.....
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why are you playing around on this post?
you have another assignment on the 'Regnerus' thread...
why are you playing around on this post?
you have another assignment on the 'Regnerus' thread...
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@26 wrote "Clayton, we don't believe you are really that dumb.
Read it again more slowly if you really don't understand what we posted but if you are just being obtuse please stop annoying the adults.....
I really don't think you've earned the right to use the royal "we." Of course, since you won't even commit to a screen name, it's hard to tell, but I'm pretty sure you're not Queen Elizabeth II.
Read it again more slowly if you really don't understand what we posted but if you are just being obtuse please stop annoying the adults.....
I really don't think you've earned the right to use the royal "we." Of course, since you won't even commit to a screen name, it's hard to tell, but I'm pretty sure you're not Queen Elizabeth II.
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@16
We registered last week.
For the 10th time or so.
Danny deleted our account after TWO posts....
We registered last week.
For the 10th time or so.
Danny deleted our account after TWO posts....
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People who claim that exalted status should exist for opposite-sex marriage (alleged benefits for society, children, yadda yadda) need to show that they are working just as hard to outlaw divorce (links to other blog comments asserting same will constitute acceptable proof). Otherwise, they are being logically inconsistent and proving themselves just more resident buzzards on the slopes of Bullshit Mountain.
[Use of plural nouns and pronouns<--I see what I did there]
[Use of plural nouns and pronouns<--I see what I did there]
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@17: Okay, being single causes poverty. Dude, what?
Seriously, that's the most pants-on-head leotarded load of tripe I've heard out of you so far.
Seriously, that's the most pants-on-head leotarded load of tripe I've heard out of you so far.
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No.
Dudette....
Having kids outside marriage causes poverty.
and divorce is often economically devastating as well.
That.....
No.
Dudette....
Having kids outside marriage causes poverty.
and divorce is often economically devastating as well.
That.....
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@16: Troll used to be registered but was such a bad little troll he got banned and alllllllllll his comments deleted. Now he is doomed to the howling wilderness of the unregistered where he can shout and shout all he likes, but no one can hear him unless, out of pity, they chose to. He is entirely dependent on us. It is the scraps of attention we throw him or starvation. Poor hungry, hungry little troll.
It must be so nice for him that we think of him at all.
It must be so nice for him that we think of him at all.
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@36 I hope they got banned due to medium rather than message. Though I greatly disagree with they they say, how they say it is much more frustrating. If you're trying to save humanity from the horrors of an ever changing world, could you at least honor and give dignity to the language that allowed you to spew such silliness?
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Is the other side ceding the bisexuals/flexibles now? I notice that Mr C did not address an argument to the effect of equal treatment leading to a massive increase in experimentation on the part of young people who might otherwise keep in line. Not that that is a difficult argument to counter, but it's the one I've probably heard most often.
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hmmm....
the Stupid is strong in this one, ObiWan
Adults who have children out of wedlock are much more likely to live in poverty.
And the OVERWHELMING majority of children who live in poverty
live in households with unmarried caregivers.
In fact,
if adults could be persuaded to quit having kids outside marriage
child poverty could be eradicated without spending one penny of taxpayer money....
It is true that getting and staying married is the surest way to stay out of poverty (in fact, marriage is worth several years of college in income and family wealth terms...) but having kids out-of-wedlock is the express lane to poverty....
hmmm....
the Stupid is strong in this one, ObiWan
Adults who have children out of wedlock are much more likely to live in poverty.
And the OVERWHELMING majority of children who live in poverty
live in households with unmarried caregivers.
In fact,
if adults could be persuaded to quit having kids outside marriage
child poverty could be eradicated without spending one penny of taxpayer money....
It is true that getting and staying married is the surest way to stay out of poverty (in fact, marriage is worth several years of college in income and family wealth terms...) but having kids out-of-wedlock is the express lane to poverty....
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Inherent in Traditional Heterosexual Marriage is monogamy,
it goes without saying.
Cheating leads to divorce.
Thats bad.
Especially for The Children.
Which is one reason you can't just slap the word "marriage" on anything;
homosexual pairings, foe example;
and get the ENORMOUS social benefits
associated with Traditional Heterosexual Marriage.
Danny claims homosexuals are bad at monogamy.
We'll take his word for it.
No one is perfect, after all.
But Danny doesn't think folks should even try.
'Monogamish' and all......
So very very cute.
Some folks claimed homosexual 'marriage'
would change the very nature of marriage.
The Troll was skeptical.
But Danny proved us wrong.
Legitimizing and Normalizing Adultery would strip Traditional Heterosexual Marriage
of the social benefits that have come with it to date.
Danny; you little rascal.
Couldn't even wait to get homosexual 'marriage' legalized
before you start slutting around.
Bad Bad Homosexuals......
No Marriage Pie for YOU
it goes without saying.
Cheating leads to divorce.
Thats bad.
Especially for The Children.
Which is one reason you can't just slap the word "marriage" on anything;
homosexual pairings, foe example;
and get the ENORMOUS social benefits
associated with Traditional Heterosexual Marriage.
Danny claims homosexuals are bad at monogamy.
We'll take his word for it.
No one is perfect, after all.
But Danny doesn't think folks should even try.
'Monogamish' and all......
So very very cute.
Some folks claimed homosexual 'marriage'
would change the very nature of marriage.
The Troll was skeptical.
But Danny proved us wrong.
Legitimizing and Normalizing Adultery would strip Traditional Heterosexual Marriage
of the social benefits that have come with it to date.
Danny; you little rascal.
Couldn't even wait to get homosexual 'marriage' legalized
before you start slutting around.
Bad Bad Homosexuals......
No Marriage Pie for YOU
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@40: You said that people are poor because they don't get married. It's as simple as that, and your attempts to shift the topic of discussion are pathetically transparent. Of course, you're not learning from this. You've already managed to say something even dumber.
"if adults could be persuaded to quit having kids outside marriage
child poverty could be eradicated without spending one penny of taxpayer money" [sic]
According to you, children are NEVER born into poor but married families. Dude, do you have any contact at all with reality?
@41: Dan claims that many people (sexual orientation unimportant) are bad at monogamy, and that open or semi-open relationships are useful for some of them. I agree that cheating is usually bad for romantic relationships, but cheating and monogamy are not complementary sets; that is, there are arrangements that are neither.
Your argument rests on the premise that allowing promiscuous people to get married will encourage promiscuity. So, why aren't you against allowing poor people to get married? You yourself state that there is a strong correlation between poverty and unsuccessful marriages, and children CERTAINLY fare worse in poor households.
So, why are you so dead-set on stopping gays from getting married, instead of going after poor people? Not only are your arguments fallacious, they're not even INTERNALLY CONSISTENT.
"if adults could be persuaded to quit having kids outside marriage
child poverty could be eradicated without spending one penny of taxpayer money" [sic]
According to you, children are NEVER born into poor but married families. Dude, do you have any contact at all with reality?
@41: Dan claims that many people (sexual orientation unimportant) are bad at monogamy, and that open or semi-open relationships are useful for some of them. I agree that cheating is usually bad for romantic relationships, but cheating and monogamy are not complementary sets; that is, there are arrangements that are neither.
Your argument rests on the premise that allowing promiscuous people to get married will encourage promiscuity. So, why aren't you against allowing poor people to get married? You yourself state that there is a strong correlation between poverty and unsuccessful marriages, and children CERTAINLY fare worse in poor households.
So, why are you so dead-set on stopping gays from getting married, instead of going after poor people? Not only are your arguments fallacious, they're not even INTERNALLY CONSISTENT.
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@38: He got banned for spamming every comment thread with the same cut and paste crap. Something about poly if I recall correctly. Oh the spitting, and the hissing, and the outrage when he realized that his entire posting history had gone poof! His life's work shriveled to nothing, and even worse, never once did the object of his obsession so much as notice.
Poor, poor troll.
Poor, poor troll.
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@36 and 38:
Based upon what other registered trolls here say regularly, there is no way he keeps having his registration suspended/taken away. He says really stupid things, but nothing that is terribly offensive or outright attacks. Relatively speaking, anyway.
Shocking right? The cowardly troll is lying.
Based upon what other registered trolls here say regularly, there is no way he keeps having his registration suspended/taken away. He says really stupid things, but nothing that is terribly offensive or outright attacks. Relatively speaking, anyway.
Shocking right? The cowardly troll is lying.
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@43: Ah, I see, I thought we were talking about content.
Well what do you expect troll? If you spam every post with the same shit over and over you are going to get banned. Imagine standing at an open forum and just screaming the same shit into a megaphone over and over. People are going to kick you out.
Props to venomlash for hopping into the sewer with this guy so often, but honestly, I have a feeling it just gives him a giant validation boner. Even hatred is better than apathy for the truly alone.
Well what do you expect troll? If you spam every post with the same shit over and over you are going to get banned. Imagine standing at an open forum and just screaming the same shit into a megaphone over and over. People are going to kick you out.
Props to venomlash for hopping into the sewer with this guy so often, but honestly, I have a feeling it just gives him a giant validation boner. Even hatred is better than apathy for the truly alone.
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who needs a chihuahua when Junior is around?
but then, the chihuahua would have better reading comprehension.....
Please , set us straight- how many children are born into poor but married families?
What percentage of the children living in poverty live with their married father and mother?
(hint: it is very very small...)
We note that cheating often leads to divorce,
and cheating is not something that can be controlled very well.
People start out with the best of intentions
and highest hopes for the miracle of open relationships
but they usually crash and burn when innate human emotions take over.
Cheating is not compatible with stable close long term relationships.
Danny claims otherwise. Danny is wrong.
Of course,
it is good for his business that he is wrong-
it creates a steady stream of clueless miserable people writing in for "help"...
Everyone makes mistakes.
Mistakes can be corrected.
However,
Danny advocates declaring the Mistakes to be successes
and making a lifestyle out of serial Mistakes.
It is a predictable reliable formula for relationship failure.
And starring roles in "Every Child Deserves...."
who needs a chihuahua when Junior is around?
but then, the chihuahua would have better reading comprehension.....
Please , set us straight- how many children are born into poor but married families?
What percentage of the children living in poverty live with their married father and mother?
(hint: it is very very small...)
We note that cheating often leads to divorce,
and cheating is not something that can be controlled very well.
People start out with the best of intentions
and highest hopes for the miracle of open relationships
but they usually crash and burn when innate human emotions take over.
Cheating is not compatible with stable close long term relationships.
Danny claims otherwise. Danny is wrong.
Of course,
it is good for his business that he is wrong-
it creates a steady stream of clueless miserable people writing in for "help"...
Everyone makes mistakes.
Mistakes can be corrected.
However,
Danny advocates declaring the Mistakes to be successes
and making a lifestyle out of serial Mistakes.
It is a predictable reliable formula for relationship failure.
And starring roles in "Every Child Deserves...."
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@46: You said ending out-of-wedlock births would cause child poverty to be "eradicated", indicating that ALL children born into poverty are the product of unmarried parents. You said what you wanted to be true, regardless of the facts. And now you are trying to rewrite what you said. Sad.
So, I ask you again: why do you oppose gay marriage, but not poor marriage?
So, I ask you again: why do you oppose gay marriage, but not poor marriage?
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Go ahead-
set us straight-
how many children are born into poor but married families?
What percentage of the children living in poverty live with their married father and mother?
Go ahead-
set us straight-
how many children are born into poor but married families?
What percentage of the children living in poverty live with their married father and mother?
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@45: Oh I love watching the beat downs VL administers! He is mighty of brain. Poor hungry troll, not do much as I recall.
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@23 There there, one day you'll actually be able to engage the points I make as opposed to just making another tired and unfunny 'joke' about my avatar picture...
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@49: I don't know. What I DO know, though, is that there are some. You claimed that there were none. You also claimed that being single CAUSES poverty.
Keep on digging, broski.
Keep on digging, broski.
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you're right.
and we are so ashamed.
tired and unfunny are the death knells for a troll.
but we just can't seem to help ourselves when we see your avatar.
perhaps you could post a picture of your real face and we could mock it for a while.
you're right.
and we are so ashamed.
tired and unfunny are the death knells for a troll.
but we just can't seem to help ourselves when we see your avatar.
perhaps you could post a picture of your real face and we could mock it for a while.
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@55 You first. Oh wait, I forgot, you're too chicken to register
@57 Thank you for believing I'm David Tennant, Hobbes :)
@57 Thank you for believing I'm David Tennant, Hobbes :)
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I don't turn the unregistered comments back on, but this is still kind of fun. Like watching one end of a tennis match, when I've got Andy Roddick on my end. I can't really tell, but I think it's Molly Volley at the other end.
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