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Thursday, September 20, 2012

What Would Happen if Mitt Romney Dropped Out Now?

Posted by on Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:50 PM

I've been getting this question a whole lot. People have been stopping me on the street and asking me, people have been sending me e-mails, people have been social-networking it at me via twots and plus-tags and face-bots. The questions all pretty much run like this:

Can the Republicans dump Mitt Romney now? What happens if Romney decides enough is enough and he drops out? Can he even do that? Is it possible?

Let me first address the most important question in all this: This is not going to happen. Mitt Romney is staying in the race, and the fact that so many Democrats are asking this question is making me a little nervous. He could still win. This is a real outcome that could still happen in real life. He has not alienated his base, so he does have that 47% of, er, non-freeloaders on his side. Some polls still show him running neck-and-neck with Obama. If you want Obama to win, you still have to donate to the Obama campaign and volunteer to get out the vote and talk to your friends and enemies and even your family. This is important. It is nowhere near over.

But the truth is, I didn't know the procedure, so I sent an e-mail to Kirby Wilbur, the chairman of the Washington state GOP*, and asked him what would happen, hypothetically, if Romney dropped out. Wilbur's response:

Best of my knowledge, there would have to be a meeting of the Republican National Committee to fill the vacancy. There would be no new convention. And Ryan would be the likely successor, IMHO.

So that settles that. Now go back and reread the third paragraph of this post, because that's the one thing you should take away from all this.

* Also in the e-mail, I thanked Wilbur for throwing me out of his Tampa Bay hotel during the RNC a couple weeks back, and he responded (emphasis mine):

I don't think I had you thrown out. I let the delegation know there was a reporter from the Stranger somewhere in the hotel, so beware of a nice young man and what questions he might be asking. I think we even had your picture. But we didn't do anything to remove you.

I believe Wilbur's account, but all I know is, I was kicked off the grounds of two hotels by police officers within twenty minutes. That's like Mötley Crüe levels of awesome.

 

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Matt the Engineer 1
I'm still in shock for GW Bush winning his second term. I just didn't believe Americans were that stupid.
Posted by Matt the Engineer on September 20, 2012 at 5:07 PM
Posted by Warren Terra on September 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM
dnt trust me 3
@2
Sorry to say, that quote has been used so often on Slog that its lost relevance, at least for me.
Posted by dnt trust me on September 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM
4
Ryan would have a dangerously better chance of winning than Romney.
Posted by sarah70 on September 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM
dnt trust me 5
@4
What the fuck is up with that adverb??? Tell us what you know about danger (feel free to outright school me).
Posted by dnt trust me on September 20, 2012 at 5:38 PM
6
Paul.

you must run with a dangerously stupid crowd......
Posted by President Gore on September 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM
7
@4,5: "Coke Zero: dangerously better."

I think you guys might be on to something here, it's like "Think Different" for a new decade.
Posted by aaronbrethorst http://www.viainstapaper.com on September 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM
8
They had your picture. They're fans.
Posted by California on September 20, 2012 at 5:58 PM
Tacoma Traveler 9
The nominating convention has already taken place. If the GOP was going to drop Mittens, they lost that chance after Tampa, did they not?

Unless Romney voluntarily withdraws or becomes incapacitated, it seems like they are stuck with him.

If it's of any consequence, there are many on the political Right asking the same question. Michael Savage hates Mittens. Hopefully, this will cause many Right wing voters to stay home on Election Day or not mail in their ballots
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on September 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM
DeaconBlues 10
"nice young man."

I'm sure that's what he said.
Posted by DeaconBlues http://radzillas.blogspot.com/ on September 20, 2012 at 6:09 PM
11
I think Rmoney WILL win, actually. For three reasons:

1) Poll (vote) manipulation.

2) And. There are HUGE swaths of lazy pseudo-liberals, butt-hurt lefties, and twenty somethings that won't or don't vote.

3) Rampant racism.

It will be just a narrow enough margin for Rmoney to squeak by.

I pray that I am wrong. But I don't think I am.
Posted by tkc on September 20, 2012 at 6:48 PM
Matt from Denver 12
@ 11, the fact that number 3 wasn't enough last time ought to tell you how much that really matters.
Posted by Matt from Denver on September 20, 2012 at 8:30 PM
pdonahue 13
Obama has completely fucked his base, the huge swaths of youth voters, labor and activist liberals are seriously debating an election boycott. The feeling that Mitts has just about thrown in the towel only increases this trend. If the turn out drops below 20% then, yes, Romney could win.
Posted by pdonahue on September 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM
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@2--That quote is hauled out ad nauseum and attributed to everyone from HL Mencken to PT Barnum to Leonardo da Vinci. You must not be very old or you would know that, so I will give you a little tip: don't quote it any more, OK? It's really trite and most irritating.
It's almost as bad as "insanity is doing what you've always done and expecting different results" variously attributed to the above, plus Albert Einstein, Gandhi, Freud, and others I'm probably forgetting.
Don't ever "quote" that either, OK? Thanks.
Posted by crone on September 20, 2012 at 8:49 PM
15
@13, you must be reading some rightwing hope-y stuff. "Labor and activist liberals" are considering a boycott? Not bloody likely.
Posted by sarah70 on September 20, 2012 at 9:17 PM
Teslick 16
2: The same thing could be said about people seriously asking if Romney is dropping out.
Posted by Teslick on September 20, 2012 at 9:26 PM
dnt trust me 17
14 - what's up? i get no acknowledgment for saying the same thing @3 you said, in one sentence?
i don't care, I'm glad you brought up the insanity quote. Yeah, it's way overused but unlike Mencken's, there's a sting to it that does eat a bit of my core. So I have a proposal. I try to have an affect with my comments, and i usually keep getting the same results. Do I just stop? Say the word, only you, as to whether I shut my trap on Slog for good. If it's yes, I'm gone, scout's honor.
Posted by dnt trust me on September 20, 2012 at 9:30 PM
Ipso Facto 18
Fan of Robert Reich, eh Constant?

I think we can expect:

1) Obama will win by several points. (NY Times currently gives him a 76% chance of winning.)

2) There will be a record number of votes for alternative presidential candidates (the latent power of Occupy).

I was actually impressed with some of Obama's comments in the '98 video interview that just surfaced. I guess we'll find out what's really in his heart in his second term. (I'm still voting Stein or Anderson.)

Is the entire SLOG editorial board OK with Constant soliciting contributions for the Obama campaign (while continuing to ignore Green Party candidate Jill Stein and Justice Party candidate Rocky Anderson)? Is such candidate favoritism kosher here?
Posted by Ipso Facto http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/voterocky/pages/602/attachments/original/1348622109/fbcomic_copy.png?1348622109 on September 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM
pdonahue 19
#15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUf6nSLl0… Glen Ford of the Black Agenda Report has been calling Obama "the more effective evil" with some success to social justice organizations. Anecdotal evidence has led me to believe the more people believe that Mitts is digging his own grave, the more people feel free to get disgusted with the betrayal of almost all principals Obama was elected for. I predict the lowest turnout, on both sides, in living memory for this election. http://www.electionboycott2012.org/ If you know any rightwing sources for this line of thinking I'd love to read them.
Posted by pdonahue on September 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM
dnt trust me 20
Paul, when you demand us, like you're some oligarch (and we're 4 yr olds) to reread the 3rd paragraph, are you counting the first quoted passage?
Posted by dnt trust me on September 20, 2012 at 10:29 PM
Ipso Facto 21
@19: Why should anyone refuse to vote, rather than voting for an alternative candidate they find acceptable, or even writing in the name of anyone they like?

How can we identify a non-vote as an act of protest rather than simple apathy?
Posted by Ipso Facto http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/voterocky/pages/602/attachments/original/1348622109/fbcomic_copy.png?1348622109 on September 20, 2012 at 10:35 PM
Reverse Polarity 22
@18 & 21,

Yes, yes, we get that you're a fan of alternative candidates. But don't delude yourself into thinking that any of them will get more than 1% of the vote this time around. None has enough name recognition or backing to make any difference whatsoever in this year's election. Most Occupyers will not bother to vote. Neither Stein nor Anderson will get anywhere near as many votes as Ross Perot or Ralph Nader did. They won't even get enough votes to be spoilers.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on September 20, 2012 at 11:04 PM
I.C. Deadpeople 23
So people actually stop you on the street?
Posted by I.C. Deadpeople on September 20, 2012 at 11:10 PM
pdonahue 24
#21 I think the non-voter or the disenfranchised voter is getting a new group joining their ranks; the person who gives a shit about elections but thinks that even third party voting is just asking them to suspend belief just a little too much. The entire abstraction of picking a national leader is getting a little past the point of what is at stake for them anymore, watch the levels of registered voters not even bothering to lick the stamp sink to even more lows this election.
When people organize themselves into groups and try to get others to not vote, they've moved among the ranks of the apathetic, but for different reasons. I don't know how you separate them but the effect is the same; political stagnation. Recall the last election of Apartheid South Africa, turnouts in the single digits, even among enfranchised white voters, at some point the entire thing just imploded when the elections just didn't translate to on the ground realities.
Posted by pdonahue on September 20, 2012 at 11:34 PM
25
Paul, what makes you think Retroactive Man hasn't already dropped out of the race?

He is Retroactive Man, able to retire 3 yrs prior to when he retired, after retiring. Retroactive Man can drop out of an election before he enters it. Just as Retroactive man can change his position both before and after he makes it.

Never fear Retroactive Man is already back in the race having already dropped out.

Trust this clears this up for you.

Gay Dude for Retroactive Man
Posted by Machiavelli was framed on September 21, 2012 at 12:23 AM
26
@18: "Obama will win by several points. (NY Times currently gives him a 76% chance of winning.)"

I think you're confusing "chance of winning" with "margin of support." 76% sounds huge, it sounds like a landslide number, but it's not a measure of Obama's support, it's a measure of how likely it is that things will flip one way or the other, given how razor-close the race is.

Let's say I'm going to flip a coin twice, and if it comes up tails twice I'm going to shoot you in the head. You have a 75% chance of not getting shot. How comfortable would you feel?
Posted by Margaret L. on September 21, 2012 at 4:05 AM
27
@26 75% comfortable.
Posted by Foonken2 http://www.whatnonotnow.tumblr.com on September 21, 2012 at 8:27 AM
Tracy 28
If they're passing around Paul's photo at events, it's maybe time to go undercover. There's a memorable "Drag King" competition video that might be useful. Or not.
Posted by Tracy on September 21, 2012 at 9:23 AM
venomlash 29
@26: Hey there Harvey. Still making your own luck?
Posted by venomlash on September 21, 2012 at 9:58 AM
30
Why would Romney drop out when he's the race is tied?
Posted by Mister G on September 21, 2012 at 10:45 AM
31
#27, the post from #26 didn't put it quite right. Let's imagine that you were handcuffed, sitting across from someone holding a coin and a gun. He tells you he's going to flip the coin, and if it comes up heads you'll be released but if it comes up tails you'll be shot.

But, he adds, the fifth coin toss will be the decider. The first four are just practice. He hasn't flipped coins since he was a kid, and wants to give you a fair chance. First flip is heads. So's the second. Third flip is tails. Fourth is heads.

Now comes the fifth flip. Until now, 75% of the flips have been in your favor. How confident are you in the fifth flip?
Posted by Mister G on September 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM

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