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Tuesday, September 18, 2012

SL Letter of the Day: More Than a Mouthful

Posted by on Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:50 AM

I'm on hiatus while working on a manuscript for a new book. In the meantime, please enjoy these classic Savage Love letters pulled from previous columns. I will be back October 1st, when the book is finished. —Dan

Originally published Feb 26, 2009:

My boyfriend of 16 months and I have a great relationship. He loves my blowjobs, but he will not kiss me if I have his come in my mouth. It grosses him out. We have talked about this, and he won't even try. I have no problem if he kisses me after going down on me. I just want him to try. Is there something wrong with asking him to taste himself? I do it all the time and love it.

Missing Kisses

My response after the jump...

It's funny that your question—with its hint of gay panic—should arrive today. I've been on vacation with the family all week snowboarding in beautiful British Columbia, and what I enjoy most—besides the snowboarding and the half-naked, fully stoned Australian snowboard instructors lolling around in hot tubs at the end of the day—is watching the straight boys who refuse to sit four to a chairlift. They want to ride up alone or ride up two at a time on a four-seater with two empty seats between 'em. They seem to think gayness can be contracted through thigh-to-thigh contact.

Which it can.

Now, MK, there's kissing someone with your come on her breath and then there's kissing someone with your come in her mouth. It sounds like you're interested in the latter, which makes it sound like you're interested in passing some of your boyfriend's load into his mouth—i.e., snowballing—and not simply being rewarded with a kiss, his come on your breath, for a blowjob well-done. And that's an entirely different wad of spunk.

Just because you enjoy tasting yourself on his lips doesn't mean your boyfriend will enjoy or should have to enjoy mouthing his own load. First, there's a significant difference in volume and consistency between your kissing his glazed lips and his eating his own spunk. And then there's this: After a woman comes, MK, she's still in a groove, still capable of more orgasms, still cranked up. After ejaculating, a man is essentially uncranked. He's not capable of another orgasm (not right away, anyway)—he's been knocked out of his groove. So even if the idea of snowballing appeals to a man as you're blowing him, it might not hold the same appeal the moment after he comes.

Some men are afraid of tasting their own come because they believe that doing so, like sitting too close on a chairlift, can turn a guy gay. And it's not an unreasonable fear: not because it will turn a guy gay, but because, judging from my mail, a lot of women are convinced that any man who would taste his own come must secretly be gay. It's possible that your boyfriend is dying to taste himself, MK, but, like the boys on the chairlifts, is afraid of getting a reputation if he goes ahead with this and you blab about it to your friends.

 

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Urgutha Forka 1
I guess if it's reallysuperimportant! that her boyfriend do this, then he should at least try it for her.

Is this really something she's dying for? Meh.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on September 18, 2012 at 11:58 AM
thene 2
Y'know, people always talk about the female orgasm groove but for many of us it just doesn't work that way. I'm much more like the supposedly typical dude - after coming my vulva's just too sensitive to be touched and I can rarely come more than at most twice in one day. Not all of us are multi-orgasmic - from talking to other women, it doesn't even seem to be that common.
Posted by thene http://thene.dreamwidth.org on September 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Banna 3
I'd be uninterested for the same reason I'm not interested in eating up my own boogers or licking my own spit off of something; once something's out of my body, it's for a reason, and it stays out. In my mind, that's not part of me any more.
Posted by Banna http://www.ucp.org on September 18, 2012 at 12:30 PM
Tim Horton 4
@2 - I think Dan is referring to the lack sexual appetite men have immediately after ejaculating. In the seconds after cumming, all those awesome ideas - rimming, spit swapping, snowballing, having unprotected sex with a Haitian prostitute - suddenly and immediately seem unappetizing. My sense is that women come down from the arousal mindset much less suddenly after they cum.
Posted by Tim Horton on September 18, 2012 at 12:47 PM
5
I'm with #2; #4 is wrong - all I want to do is roll over and go to sleep, just like a typical guy.
Posted by sefa on September 18, 2012 at 12:59 PM
balderdash 6
Poor guy is missing out. Kissing after oral is the best kissing, whether you have been on the giving or receiving end.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on September 18, 2012 at 1:23 PM
7
What if he's already tried it--either after masturbating or with another partner--and found his spunk unpleasant or worse?

My spunk makes me gag. Damned awful to my palate. And no, I'm not a hypocrite, and I do not wheedle or demand or even request that anyone else eat that which I will not.

Assuming gay panic is unfair. GGG does not include doing things that makes a person feel like barfing.
Posted by Functional Atheist on September 18, 2012 at 1:26 PM
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Another girl here, chiming in to point out that us womenfolk do, in fact, have refractory periods. The idea of someone of either gender still being cranked up and raring to go when they've just had an orgasm is silly. Some rare individuals might have that "talent", but I imagine that isn't the case for most of us. When I come, I'm done, and I need to wait a while before I'm capable of another orgasm. Sexual fantasies that were hot pre-orgasm are also often downgraded to "meh" post-orgasm.
Posted by Did on September 18, 2012 at 2:31 PM
9
I am not trying to speak for anyone else. I have almost no refractory period, and love nothing more than to try for orgasm # 2, 3, 4, 5 . . . right up until that moment--not predictable beforehand, when any more stimulation is "too much."
I also agree with #4 (Tim Horton): in my own case, all my interests pre-orgasm are still there, though some may be lessened, post-orgasm.
Posted by nocutename on September 18, 2012 at 2:37 PM
10
Letter Writer, you taste your own juices on him and love it. He is grossed out by tasting his on you. You frame this as "Is there something wrong with asking him to do this thing that you know he hates, but that you happen to like?

I'll leave you to figure out exactly what's wrong with that attitude as an exercise in self-reflection and empathy.

The question you should be asking is: "I _know_ this grosses him out, and despite that, I want him to try it anyway. Is there something wrong with ME?"
Posted by avast2006 on September 18, 2012 at 2:59 PM
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@7: The issue should not be about asking someone else to eat what you yourself will not. If they happen to _not_ find it disgusting, then it isn't an issue for them nor an imposition on them. And if they _do_ find it disgusting, whether you like it or not is immaterial.

(Yes, I realize you came to that same conclusion - don't ask someone to eat what makes them barf - as I did; I just had to stop for a minor nitpick along the way.)
Posted by avast2006 on September 18, 2012 at 3:07 PM
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"Assuming gay panic is unfair. "
Word. The fact that you hate the taste or smell of a man's come doesn't mean that you're anti-gay or insecure in your own sexuality, it means that you're a straight guy that doesn't like men's come in your mouth. We don't freak out at gays or straight women who dislike the taste of pussy ... they're not expected to suck (heh) up and do it anyways. So why get testy with us hetboys who aren't into semen? Hey, if you're straight and you're okay with the taste and the experience, have fun and I won't take your Het Card away.
Posted by seeker6079 on September 18, 2012 at 5:26 PM
TheMisanthrope 13
I assume this is a straight woman and not a gay man writing, but I can't tell. I thought it was a guy, from the writing style.
Posted by TheMisanthrope on September 18, 2012 at 5:57 PM
14
I’m going to put in another voice on this one, as another woman with a refractory period. I’ve worked on this a lot with masturbation, convinced I *should* have multiples. Nope. I can make myself cum in less than two minutes, and while I can sometimes get another, if I try, it might take another half hour and it is small and much less intense, just like the second orgasm in a row of most men I know.
Posted by Prof L on September 18, 2012 at 6:29 PM
Roma 15
what I enjoy most . . . is watching the straight boys who refuse to sit four to a chairlift. They want to ride up alone or ride up two at a time on a four-seater with two empty seats between 'em. They seem to think gayness can be contracted through thigh-to-thigh contact.

We straight guys also think that gayness can be contracted by ever-so-slightly turning one's head to the side while standing at a urinal with other guys at adjoining urinals, so that's why we keep our eyes steafastly glued to the wall in front of us.

I love kissing a woman after (or while) going down on her and love a woman who also loves that. Fortunately, most women I've been with have been into it. One of those women, back in my early years, wanted to kiss me after I came her in her mouth. At first I flinched, but then decided to go for it. It seemed pretty wimpy for me to be afraid of getting a small bit of my own come on my lips when she was willing to take all of it in her mouth.

Was it the most erotic thing I've ever experienced? No. But was it repulsive? Not at all. Did I enjoy it so much that I started asking other women to do it with me? No. Have I ever met another woman who asked me to do it? No. If I did meet another woman like that, would I do it (especially if it turned her on)? Absolutely.

Posted by Roma on September 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM
milemarker 16
@15. Thanks for that. Now I'll know it's a total homo taking a whizz at the next urinal when I look over and see him looking to the side. Wish I had known this the day I encountered a California Highway Patrolman in the john at the rest stop. It was love at first sight. He smiled, too. We could have hooked up. We could have dated. We could have gotten married and raised children.
Posted by milemarker on September 18, 2012 at 8:55 PM
milemarker 17
Dan, maybe you should look into "The Disgust Scale". It's pretty serious science and it takes a serious look at the reasonS people have revulsions over certain things, including putting certain things in their mouth.

http://people.virginia.edu/~jdh6n/disgus…

There's a questionaire that anyone can take to rate their level of disgust and it will show what that particular revulsion is related to. One of my favorite questions:

"If you were served soup that you knew had been stirred with a used, but thoroughly cleansed fly swatter, would it bother you?

Another:

If you sat on a seat of a public bus and noticed the seat was warm from the body of a previous passenger, would you move?

The author/researcher noted that fundamentalist religious people scored higher on the Disgust Scale than the general population. It's interesting and enlightening and you might find a surprising answer to this LW's inquiry
Posted by milemarker on September 18, 2012 at 9:06 PM
milemarker 18
This: Moral Disgust Has an Oral Component (from Science Magazine)

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/323/59…
Posted by milemarker on September 18, 2012 at 9:09 PM
19
Yo.

Danny;

One of your most Ardent FanBoys

(Bob. In Baltimore....)

claims to have found a secret recording of you from 2006

in which you endorse legalizing Polygamy.

He has even posted a transcript
(on Slog, for crying out loud.
Punked on your on blog!
damn- the internets are a jungle....)

"I have the same reaction to legalizing marriage for gays as I do for polygamists. What’s the big deal? Legalize it. It’s kind of like arguing against giving women the vote because then women will want to enter the work force. (Horrors!)"-Dan Savage

Please clarify.....

(we call this to your attention because we are sure you want to get out in front of this budding scandal early...)
Posted by your Pal on September 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM
20
@19: Who gives a fuck, mister born-again Mormon?
Posted by did you jerk off to Big Love on September 19, 2012 at 8:18 PM
21
Dear Dan

I want to thank you for the good advice. I was a groomsman in the wedding between Missing
Kisses and her husband in the fall of 2010. I am happy to report that they are still together and still not orally sharing post BJ ejaculate. Keep up the good work,

Groomsman #2
Posted by Groomsman #2 on September 19, 2012 at 8:42 PM

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