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Monday, September 10, 2012

Some Stupid Words About Cheryl Chow

Posted by on Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Charlie Mas, who blogs with other folks at Save Seattle Schools and ran unsuccessfully for the school board, made a lot of people upset by saying something un-nice on the internet. Slog tipper Donna wrote by e-mail, he "has made the most vile, cruel comment about Cheryl Chow's coming out." As you may know, Chow—who served on the Seattle Public Schools board and the Seattle City Council—has terminal brain cancer, and she recently came out as a lesbian with the sage advice, "Parents and kids, don't be afraid of saying that you're gay. I was afraid for over 60 years and those 60 years were wasted." Wonderful, right?

Now the school board plans to make a proclamation about Chow at its Wednesday meeting. What does Mas think about that?

"I'm not sure what proclamation the Board wants to make for Cheryl Chow," he wrote in a weekend post about the board's lack of transparency. "Will they congratulate her for coming out? Is this going to be a practice of theirs, to congratulate people for telling the world about their sexuality?"

Now, as the comment thread shows, a lot of people are very angry about this (Donna wrote, "I know your paper has often called for a public response to out-of-state gay-bashers and I hope Charlie is worthy of some response from you"), so I asked Mas and Save Seattle Schools lead blogger Melissa Westbrook what they thought. Westbrook e-mailed back their statements and I've posted 'em after the jump:

Says Westbrook:

Charlie Mas is a brilliant thinker but sometimes can be clumsy in his words to the point of boorishness and insensitivity. I regret that he did not choose his words in this thread more carefully but he was making a point about the Board and its actions and NOT about Cheryl Chow. Indeed, when Ms. Chow first made her public statement, our blog wrote a thread acknowledging her long public service and our sadness for her illness. Our blog has consistently spoken out for the rights of LGBT students, teachers and staff in Seattle Schools and will continue to do so.

Says Mas:

I don’t think that it is an inherently bad idea to thank people for a lifetime of service while they are still around to receive the gratitude. It is a good idea. It is not, however, the District’s standard practice. If it were the District’s standard practice, then there would be several thousand other people who would be in line for those thanks ahead of Ms Chow. I’m not saying that it isn’t nice that they are doing it for her. I’m saying that it is extraordinary - which is indisputably true - and that if they are going to start doing this for people they have a long list of folks who should be likewise honored. I have looked though the past eight years of board meetings looking for a similar proclamation, but could not find one.

What Mas wrote was stupid and insensitive, this is true. But I don't think it was "cruel" or on par with "gay-bashers." He's been an outspoken critic of the school board for years, and, it seems to me, he was mostly trying to badger the board members (but he accidentally put his foot ankle-deep in his mouth as he did it).

 

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I don't know much about Mas, but I suppose one explanation is that he's failing to see the bigger picture of Chow's proclamation. Her sexual orientation is an essential part of the announcement, but the announcement itself is in some ways more about self-esteem in the face of discrimination and shame and less about being gay.
Posted by seatackled on September 10, 2012 at 3:21 PM
Zebes 2
I spent half this post in a state of confusion because I kept misreading the name as Cheryl Crow.

In any case, it sure is nice being a heterosexual cisgendered dude who can get all huffy about all the attention those damn gays are getting. Me and my bro Charlie Mas are gonna go sit around and feel indignant over the whole thing.
Posted by Zebes http://www.badrap.org/rescue/index.html on September 10, 2012 at 3:27 PM
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Exactly. It was insensitive and snide. LGBT people face discrimination and often have a very difficult life. (Bit better now days.) The proclamation is not simply about her "sexuality" but the message of hope and encouragment it sends to LGBT students - who are at high risk for suicide and depression. The whole point of Dan Savage's "It gets better" campaign. To reduce it to "her sexuality" is pretty borderline discriminatory - it doesn't acknowleding the other aspects to the issue.
Posted by Get friggin real on September 10, 2012 at 3:27 PM
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The proclamation is not going to be about her sexuality. It's going to be about her years of service to students. Her sexuality is entirely off-topic and beside the point. Or do some people think that the School Board is actually going to commend her for coming out?

In either case, whether the proclamation is about her years of service or if it really is about her courage in coming out, there are a lot of other people as deserving of a proclamation and none of them have ever received one.

Folks who want to comment on this matter should take a little time to inform themselves about it first.
Posted by Charlie Mas on September 10, 2012 at 3:43 PM
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@4:
The proclamation is not going to be about her sexuality. It's going to be about her years of service to students.

Understood.

Why, then, do you find it objectionable? Because the Board has never done anything like it before? If so, then I'd applaud their decision to institute this sort of goodwill gesture to be presented to a person whose longtime service to Seattle Schools is unequivocally deserving of this sort of honor.

If honoring exemplary contributions to the school system continues (as well it should), someone has to be the first honoree. And I can't think of anyone more worthy than Cheryl Chow to be first in line.
Posted by N in Seattle http://peacetreefarm.org on September 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM
meanie 6
@5 and if you disagree the your "vile, cruel and homophobic?" as Mas has been called?

Chow worked for SPS. People disagree, a lot, on if she was good at her job.
Her employer now wants to honor her, in a way never done before, because of _______?

I think snark is warranted here. Charlie is still clearly criticizing the board.

This is pretty blown out of proportion already.
Posted by meanie http://www.spicealley.net on September 10, 2012 at 4:25 PM
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@4 Then why your snide comment "Is this going to be a practice of theirs, to congratulate people for telling the world about their sexuality?" What is your issue with her besides the fact that she may be honored for serving the school district. I would repeat what @5 said....
Just acknowledge that you were rude and insulting and apologize.
Posted by Get friggin real on September 10, 2012 at 4:29 PM
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Who was insulted and what was the insult?
Posted by Charlie Mas on September 10, 2012 at 4:37 PM
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@6 - No, I don't think his comment is clearly criticizing the board. There was a clear mean intent in his words and it wasn't directed at the board.
And No, if you disagree you are not mean vile stupid idiotic or homophobic - but if you focus on one aspect of a person - their sexuality - in a demeaning fashion...Well....One has to wonder what his true issue is.
Posted by Get friggin real on September 10, 2012 at 4:40 PM
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@8 Can you really not see how insulting your statement was? I feel sorry for you.
Posted by Get friggin real on September 10, 2012 at 4:42 PM
michaelp 11
At the risk of inserting my foot into my own mouth, as I have a long history of doing, I can see Mas' point. I remember during his run for School Board, on of my observations was his standoffishness and general demeanor came off as prickish.

However, I know he has a passion for students - all students, including the gays - that drives his foot-in-mouth disease.

I see his point on this issue. He believes that there is a line of folks who are more deserving of recognition by the Board for their contribution to SPS. And I get it - Chow is not universally loved for her work with schools.

But, the other thing I know about Charlie Mas is that he lacks a single political bone in his body. The fact remains that Cheryl Chow, as a former member of the Board who served alongside, what...three current board members?...has a fast track.

Add to that her overall years of public service, which really culminated with her coming out (the service that provides to Asian-American students and families is important), which is coupled with her terminal illness...I can see where the Board comes from, as well.

So yes, Charlie - there are plenty of folks who deserve the recognition.

And at the same time, Cheryl Chow does, too. We don't always get things in the order we want them.
Posted by michaelp on September 10, 2012 at 5:00 PM
meanie 12
@9 ok, so you have an opinion, that a statement had "mean intent" that's not exactly a fact, that's just getting offended on your own.

The funny part of this and all the OP blog comments, is no one can describe *how* exactly it was mean, only that they feel it was vile, homophobic etc... and the fuss seems to be about Mas not apologizing for it.

Has social media made people so dumb that they cant read something unless they "like" the author?

Lets make the huge leap that Mas is a horrible person who hates puppies and gays, does that mean his observations of the school board aren't valid anymore?

the kneejerk here is astounding.
Posted by meanie http://www.spicealley.net on September 10, 2012 at 5:01 PM
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Okay.

I've read the comments on the blog.

Some of them have been helpful to me to see how some people were offended by a remark I made which was not intended to create any offense.

Just to be clear. I do not think that Ms Chow's service to the community was terribly unique, but that does not mean that it is not commendable. It is. It loses no value as a result of being common.

Moreover, I do not think that Ms Chow's declaration of her sexuality is unique. Nevertheless I can see how it would be inspiring or instructive for those who are closeted or who have suffered for coming out. Her statement has value for them and I respect that. They saw my remark as dismissive of the feelings it inspired in them. That was not my intent, and I regret it. I apologize for that.

Finally, yes, Ms Chow will die. As will we all. Her death will be a tragedy just like every other death before or since. Like her service, her death does not lose any of its impact as a consequence of being commonplace. I am sorry that I wrote anything flip about someone who will soon die. I should have known better than to have done that.

I am grateful to those who have done me the kindness of showing me my fault rather than just hitting me for it.
Posted by Charlie Mas on September 10, 2012 at 5:30 PM
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Sorry SLOG but Charlie's right.

Cheryl Chow's coming out was brave and touching.

But she presided over, and rubber stamped, some of the worst policies in the Seattle Public Schools. This is poignant in that it is almost as if her lack of personal courage was also mirrored by her lack of professional courage on the school board. I would think that the Stanger - the only place for news that I trust in Seattle - would understand where Mas is coming from.
Posted by SubstanceFirst on September 10, 2012 at 7:55 PM
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@11 Mas was "prickish" and "lacks a single political bone in his body". But he ran for the school board? Waaa? Gaaa. Doesn't compute.
@12 Umm...Would you trust someone who hates puppies? Your pic has a dog on it....
@Mas "Moreover, I do not think that Ms Chow's declaration of her sexuality is unique". Really? Asian-American, City Council woman, school board, mentor to many and LGBT, but you don't think she's unique? Wow. What does it take to be unique in your world?
Don't get me wrong, I know that she "will soon die." "As will we all." "Her death will be a tragedy just like" all deaths in the world? "Commonplace." OMG. Wow. You just dismissed her and everything she's been through in her life.
And (though I'm not in favor of violence) someone should hit you over the head with a big fat "get some common sense and more empathy" bat!
Posted by Get friggin real on September 10, 2012 at 9:39 PM
south downtown 16
@14, Yea verily
Posted by south downtown on September 10, 2012 at 11:22 PM
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Get friggin real, you are in need of a tutorial. As much as it may be foolish to feed trolls like you, I cannot resist the temptation.

You started by described the original comment as "insensitive and snide" which are hardly high crimes. You, yourself indulge in quite a bit of insenstive and snide. Or hadn't you noticed.

Later, you upped the ante to "rude and insulting" in a post in which you admitted that you didn't know anything about the actual issue. Is this a habit of yours, to write forcefully about topics despite your ignorance of them? Is that something you're proud of?

When asked who was insulted and how, you couldn't answer. You don't really have an answer to that, do you? You may still not have an answer to that. That didn't stop you from pressing for an apology even though you don't know what the apology should be for.

By the way, do you really feel sorry for Mr. Mas? There is no tone of sympathy in anything you wrote, so why should anyone believe that?

You find it irreconcilable that someone who is "prickish" and impolitic could run for office? It happens all the time. How could you not know that?

News flash, Get friggin real, Ms Chow's sexuality is not unique. There are a lot of lesbians. They're all over the place. Ms Chow, of course, is unique. There's only one of those. How could you confuse the two when you wrote them both down.

I am astonished that the fact that everyone will die comes as news to you. Would you like to sit down for a little while? Would you like a glass of water?

I can't even touch the irony and cognitive dissonance tied up with the concept of hitting someone with an empathy bat.

Do you speak English? Do you have any idea of the meanings of the words that you wrote or read? You are the worst kind of troll working to tear down people you don't know for reasons that you can't explain. Wonder why no one else responded to your inane gibberish? Because, unlike me, they find you a hopeless troll beyond redemption. I, on the other hand, think you just might catch a glimmer of self-awareness and shut the fuck up.
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