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Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Catholic Bishops in WA Declare Gay Marriage Will Victimize Them!

Posted by on Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:16 PM

This Victimpalooza could only come from the victimy-victims of the Catholic Church.

Four Washington State bishops, including Seattle Archbishop J. Peter Sartain, have issued an official statement to reject Referendum 74 on the fall ballot, thereby stopping a marriage equality law from taking effect this year. They've come out against gay marriage before, so they begin their latest statement by ticking through familiar reasons it's bad: Church teaching says marriage is the union of one man and one woman; "marriage is founded on sexual difference... and the procreation and rearing of children"; and same-sex marriage is "genderless contract without reference to children."

Of course, civil marriage law doesn't address "sexual differences" nor make "reference to children." But when it comes to the ol' bishops, hey, apparently everything makes 'em think about sex and kids!

Anyhow, here's the crazy part. The big reason they oppose this is because, they assert, allowing civil marriage with hurt the bishops. Here's an excerpt of the statement (.pdf):

In addition, the legal separation of marriage from procreation would have a chilling effect on religious liberty and the right of conscience. Once marriage is redefined as a genderless contract, it will become legally discriminatory for public and private institutions such as schools to promote the unique value of children being raised by their biological mothers and fathers. No institution or individual could propose that married mothers and fathers provide a singular benefit to children without being accused of discrimination. Recent attacks on churches, businesses and nonprofit organizations that express their conscientious objection to the redefinition of marriage underscore the danger. Those who uphold families based on the permanent, faithful relationship between a married man and woman as the best environment for raising children already have been accused of hate speech, and the right of religious institutions to freely practice their faith has been abridged.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Flowing out of the holy water fountain, over the pulpit, down the aisle, and right out the vestibule doors—bullshit.

In fact, Referendum 74—which is the verbatim copy of a bill passed earlier this year by the state legislature—provides explicitly for these bishops and their frocked ilk. The text of R-74 says: "A regularly licensed or ordained minister or priest, imam, rabbi, or similar official of any religious organization shall be immune from any civil claim or cause of action based on a refusal to solemnize or recognize any marriage under this section." And it goes on: "No state agency or local government may base a decision to penalize, withhold benefits from, or refuse to contract with any religious organization on the refusal of a person associated with such religious organization to solemnize or recognize a marriage under this section.... No religious organization is required to provide accommodations, facilities, advantages, privileges, services, or goods related to the solemnization or celebration of a marriage."

So religious liberty isn't being chilled here. They won't have to perform ceremonies they don't want. No rentals they don't want. No government penalties. Being a Catholic will be as legal as it's always been. Rather, they seem to be upset that free speech—the freedom to call out their politics of intolerance—will also be as legal as it always has been, while discriminating against minorities will be as illegal as ever.

 

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Zebes 1
Once marriage is redefined as a genderless contract, it will become legally discriminatory for public and private institutions such as schools to promote the unique value of children being raised by their biological mothers and fathers.


How very very awful! Good thing "redefining marriage as a genderless contract" is the sneering Catholic spin on what's happening and not what is actually occurring. It's very upstanding for them to argue from the position that everybody is going to be looking at the situation from the same hateful lens that they do.
Posted by Zebes http://www.badrap.org/rescue/index.html on September 4, 2012 at 3:25 PM
Pope Peabrain 2
The Catholic Church is based on lies. Two thousand years of lies. Why would that change now?
Posted by Pope Peabrain on September 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM
3
Remember, Freedom of Religion means that you can practice your religion however you want to.
If someone does not belong to your religion then they are not bound IN ANY WAY by your religion.
Your religious freedom ends where their rights begin.

But you'll never make any progress with them on this issue.
Their minds are like seesaws.
Put too many facts on one side and the other side rises to be the reason.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on September 4, 2012 at 3:29 PM
4
Is there surprise about lies from the opponents of Freedom to Marry/Marriage Equality ... clear and honest information is not part of their campaign strategy.

Get ready, more lies on the way. Approve R-74.
Posted by George Bakan on September 4, 2012 at 3:34 PM
5
When I overheard my Aunt's priest railing against the assault
on religious liberty gay marriage was I asked him "When
was the last time you were forced by the state to perform a Jewish wedding? Hell, when's the last time you were even asked to do a non-Catholic wedding?"
Posted by xcowardx on September 4, 2012 at 3:37 PM
6
Perhaps someone should reintroduce I-957; the Church should jump on board readily. After all, if marriage and procreation are so vitally linked, then it stands to reason that the law should require married couples to procreate or else.
Posted by TechBear on September 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM
Keister Button 7
Is "Catholic Church" shorthand for "Roman Catholic Church" in all of Dominic Holden's articles and SLOG postings or does "Catholic Church" include the Ecumenical Catholic Church, which has this to say:
To limit marriage to any sexual subset of the population is not consistent with this sacramental view. The dynamics of male-male and female-female partnerships are essentially equivalent to those of male-female partnerships.
Posted by Keister Button on September 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM
balderdash 8
The temerity required to make any of the myriads of claims of infringed religious liberty these days is just fucking... well, I don't know exactly what it is. Childish and pathetic, but also sad, and deeply aggravating. Why is it not obvious to people how incredibly petulant and baseless it is to claim that your religious liberty extends to telling other people how to live their lives? How does that make any sort of fucking sense? How does this kind of perfectly idiotic argument have even the slightest traction? It's not even sophistry! It's just complete, fundamental illogic!

Ugh.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on September 4, 2012 at 4:17 PM
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#7 - it refers to the Roman Catholic Church, because nobody's ever heard of that other one.
Posted by catsnbanjos on September 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM
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So has anyone addressed the Koch brother who came out in favor of gay marriage? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/081…
Posted by Linda J on September 4, 2012 at 6:01 PM
Sargon Bighorn 11
'Biological Father and Mother' so adopted children are not in that group and can be treated like crap? What about all the hetero-folk that adopt children because they are as unable to procreate as two people of the same gender? Huh what about the adopted kids?
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on September 4, 2012 at 6:28 PM
treefort 12
They're concerned about the bigots who aren't affiliated with the church as well. What about the bigot flower shop who don't want to do flowers for a gay wedding? Gay marriage should totally be illegal to protect the rights of bigots to discriminate against minority groups they think are inferior. Or something.
Posted by treefort on September 4, 2012 at 7:10 PM
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Anyone ever read Leadbetter's Sacamental Science. You will laugh til you cry... And these people were teaching our kids?
Posted by erico666 on September 6, 2012 at 12:13 PM
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This is the typical behavior of a traditionally overprivileged group that is seeing its privileges taken away. For far too long, the Church was privileged. It was treated as above suspicion, not obligated to submit its finances to scrutiny, and given tremendous deference and respect as a matter of course. But now, they're increasingly being treated as an organization like any other, rather than being given special treatment - and they mistake the removal of undue privilege with the stripping of genuine rights. Let them whine. The more they whine, the more people will recognize them as whiners and lose sympathy for them, just like they lost sympathy for racists and male chauvinists.
Posted by I have always been... east coaster on September 9, 2012 at 2:20 PM

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