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Crime Thousands of Terrorist Groups Operating in America...
Posted by Charles Mudede on Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM
....And almost all are white and on the radical right...
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which has done yeoman's work on tracking violent groups, notes that "Currently, there are 1,018 known hate groups operating across the country, including neo-Nazis, Klansmen, white nationalists, neo-Confederates, racist skinheads, black separatists, border vigilantes and others. And their numbers are growing." The Center's data show that hate groups have increased by 69 percent in the last decade. And the so-called "Patriot" groups have increased nearly 800 percent since Obama became president.The same goes if they were white and on the radical left.If the news media and political leaders were told there were a thousand violence-prone Muslim groups operating in the United States, can you imagine the reaction? Yet, apart from the glancing attention given incidents like the Sikh temple massacre, the national discourse about terrorism focuses almost exclusively on Muslims.
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don't worry, when ryamney steals the election they'll all calm down like they did during the bush junta.
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Yes, thousands of them, yet the two terrorist groups at Rainier Ave and Henderson kill more people than all the white nationalists every year. Ditto in Baltimore, Detroit, St. Louis, LA, Oakland etc. etc. etc.
In fact, half the murders in USA are caused by this small group of people.
Funny that.
In fact, half the murders in USA are caused by this small group of people.
Funny that.
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NYT put a fine bit up yesterday in their "Room for Debate", with a half-dozen contributors each examining the scene since Obama's Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano shredded that 2009 domestic terrorism report.
Among the contributors, Southern Poverty Law Center's Mark Potok asks,"how aggressively do the American people want their government to investigate domestic hate groups for activity that is largely neither terrorism nor criminal, but rather constitutionally protected free speech?” A retired FBI agent suggests it might be more productive to fight mental illness instead of just bumping up monitoring the political fringes. Author Matt Kennard rues the military having shredded its regulations against enlisting people with hate group ties. http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/201…
Among the contributors, Southern Poverty Law Center's Mark Potok asks,"how aggressively do the American people want their government to investigate domestic hate groups for activity that is largely neither terrorism nor criminal, but rather constitutionally protected free speech?” A retired FBI agent suggests it might be more productive to fight mental illness instead of just bumping up monitoring the political fringes. Author Matt Kennard rues the military having shredded its regulations against enlisting people with hate group ties. http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/201…
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Good Morning Charles,
That number seems quite large but then one must quibble with the definition of "violent group". Two, three? I believe they work in "shadows" anyway. So, it would be most difficult to ascertain exact numbers and other information on them. Sure there is cause for concern but I remain convinced that they do not pose a mortal threat to the country. Our domestic security agencies (FBI etc.) also have monitors.
On the other hand, beginning with 9/11 and subsequent to that the Ft. Hood massacre, the attack on Army recruiters in Arkansas among other incidents did involve radicalized Muslims. My understanding is there are roughly 5-7 million Muslims in the USA, a distinct religious minority. Alas, that minority does have a connection. Maybe if 9/11 had not happened there wouldn't be a "national discourse" that focuses largely on Muslims. That incident still reverberates for better or for worse nearly 11 years later.
Personally, I find the title of your posting a bit of a stretch and alarmist. Clearly, the major media (not SLOG) has an obligation NOT to say "Thousands of Terrorist Groups Operating in America..." in its headlines. Especially, if they qualify it "Muslim Terrorists". That would be shocking indeed.
Words in this case DO have ramifications.
For the record, I find it contemptable that these "hate" groups abound regardless of race, ethnicity, political or religious orientation. They're all monsters.
That number seems quite large but then one must quibble with the definition of "violent group". Two, three? I believe they work in "shadows" anyway. So, it would be most difficult to ascertain exact numbers and other information on them. Sure there is cause for concern but I remain convinced that they do not pose a mortal threat to the country. Our domestic security agencies (FBI etc.) also have monitors.
On the other hand, beginning with 9/11 and subsequent to that the Ft. Hood massacre, the attack on Army recruiters in Arkansas among other incidents did involve radicalized Muslims. My understanding is there are roughly 5-7 million Muslims in the USA, a distinct religious minority. Alas, that minority does have a connection. Maybe if 9/11 had not happened there wouldn't be a "national discourse" that focuses largely on Muslims. That incident still reverberates for better or for worse nearly 11 years later.
Personally, I find the title of your posting a bit of a stretch and alarmist. Clearly, the major media (not SLOG) has an obligation NOT to say "Thousands of Terrorist Groups Operating in America..." in its headlines. Especially, if they qualify it "Muslim Terrorists". That would be shocking indeed.
Words in this case DO have ramifications.
For the record, I find it contemptable that these "hate" groups abound regardless of race, ethnicity, political or religious orientation. They're all monsters.
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The only catch is the vast majority of these SPLC-defined "terrorist groups" haven't actually committed acts of violence or, um, terrorism. But hey, if Morris Dees says they're terrorists, I guess they have to be, because he's in charge of defining such things, right?
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Yea..they're known commonly as "banks"..although they have more money than they can count, they feel the need to foreclose on people's homes to make even more money..
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It is like the people who blame Illegals for everything.
Well, what about the Legals who threw stones at a bike rider in Ballard?
Well, what about the Legals who threw stones at a bike rider in Ballard?
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@6 Be careful who you are attributing. The SPLC calls them "hate groups". Charles conflated that with terrorist groups.
Even the hate groups who have a proactive violent agenda (proactive versus, for example, waiting for the race war to start, but not actively promoting members to start it) have for the most part learned to operate within the protections of the First Amendment. They rarely plot organized attacks, because they know that will get them shut down. Instead, they hope to inspire individuals in a way that gives them plausible deniability.
It's not a great state of affairs, but it weakens their impact (just as a scattered Al Qaeda whose best hope is to inspire unconnected individuals to action is weaker than an Al Qaeda who can train for, fund, amd plan large scale attacks). I suspect the type of investigation changes to contain the respective groups; monitoring certain profiles of indviduals connected to such groups (such as those with mental illness) is probably
more fruitful than monitoring group leaders for organized plots.
Even the hate groups who have a proactive violent agenda (proactive versus, for example, waiting for the race war to start, but not actively promoting members to start it) have for the most part learned to operate within the protections of the First Amendment. They rarely plot organized attacks, because they know that will get them shut down. Instead, they hope to inspire individuals in a way that gives them plausible deniability.
It's not a great state of affairs, but it weakens their impact (just as a scattered Al Qaeda whose best hope is to inspire unconnected individuals to action is weaker than an Al Qaeda who can train for, fund, amd plan large scale attacks). I suspect the type of investigation changes to contain the respective groups; monitoring certain profiles of indviduals connected to such groups (such as those with mental illness) is probably
more fruitful than monitoring group leaders for organized plots.
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there are THOUSANDS!! because the whores at SPLC love to terrify pussy Liberals into donating money.
as long as pussy Liberals like Danny quote their BullShit figures expect the numbers of Certified Hate Groups™ to grow and grow.....
as long as pussy Liberals like Danny quote their BullShit figures expect the numbers of Certified Hate Groups™ to grow and grow.....
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@2- agreed. I know the biggest threat to my safety and it is these lynch mobs who walk around mauling people to death. They have only struck about 6 dozen times in Seattle. Charles has written 6 dozen articles about how bad blacks are treated in the US, Greece and Isreal but not one article about the black lynch mobs that are rampent all over this country. Ditto for the anti-Asian speech by democratic incumbent Marion Barry. I remember 2 recent articles by Charles about anti-black speech by prominent Isreali and Greek politicians. Yet nothing about the anti-Asian hate speech by prominent black politicians right here in America.
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A terrorist is defined by action, not ideology. You're making the same categorical error GW Bush did.
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It's important to remember that although some "hate groups" may not be violent (yet), their extremist hatred toward "the other" has shown to stimulate gruesomely violent actions by the mentally unbalanced terrorists whom they tend to influence.
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"The same goes if they were white and on the radical left."
What if they are black and of unknown political ideology? Like the black terrorists who mauled to death the Tuba Man, Danny Vega, etc? Charles wrote bitterly a few days ago "When it's a white man he's called a gunman, not a terrrorist". When it's one white guy attacking "people of color" it's called a "hate crime" when it's a dozen black guys stomping an elderly white or Asian man to death "for fun" it's not called a "hate crime" or "terrorism". It's called a "poor kids need more community centers" they are the "victim of social and racial injustice". And anyone who suggests otherwise and gets angry or suggests it might be racially motivated is slurred as a racist. Am I wrong?
What if they are black and of unknown political ideology? Like the black terrorists who mauled to death the Tuba Man, Danny Vega, etc? Charles wrote bitterly a few days ago "When it's a white man he's called a gunman, not a terrrorist". When it's one white guy attacking "people of color" it's called a "hate crime" when it's a dozen black guys stomping an elderly white or Asian man to death "for fun" it's not called a "hate crime" or "terrorism". It's called a "poor kids need more community centers" they are the "victim of social and racial injustice". And anyone who suggests otherwise and gets angry or suggests it might be racially motivated is slurred as a racist. Am I wrong?
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Sigh. I see little point in discussing this topic with you, Charles, because you simply aren't open to influence.
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Final Warning: Why both Obama AND Romney are unacceptable in 2012
Trapwire*, the national-to-global surveillance system is no fully operational. Those security cams you see everywhere, and many you don't observe, are watching and collecting data --- and can correlate that factor code (IMEI) on your cell phone, or smart phone, or laptop, or tablet, or automobile, etc.
At this very moment that network is being interfaced with UAV (surveillance drone) networks to be fully operational within the next several years.
Skynet, the ultimate control and enforcement element. Sound farfetched? You already saw that movie? The Terminator series?
Well, read Nick Turse's stuff (The Complex), and long before that, Alex Carey.
That's how they do their Influence Operations --- first fictionalize it for mass consumption --- next they make fun of the reality as being really harmless!
And that Terminator actor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, went on to do a deal with those Enron bandits and became governor.
And the members of Schwarzenegger's Republican administration went on to be appointed to Obama's administration.
Live and learn, suckers!
And those consultants on Cheney's and Poindexter's Total Information Awareness Project went on to be appointed to Obama's administration!
Live and learn, suckers!
Once Skynet --- or whatever they choose to name it --- is fully implemented, that's all folks; that's all she wrote!
One final chance, vote Jill Stein into the presidency in 2012, or bid goodbye to any fantasy of a possible democracy in America's future!
Trust Wall Street? Trust the government owned by Wall Street?
Romney and Ryan are so extreme rightwing --- the far rightwing Obama/Biden appear tame by comparison, but the finest presidential candidate in my lifetime is certainly Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party.
http://www.btlonline.org/2012/CTPT/mp3/1…
http://www.btlonline.org/2012/seg/120817…
Final warning . . .
*Trapwire: Abraxas Corporation, the company that originally created TrapWire under its subsidiary Abraxas Applications, also has significant ties to the CIA. The company was founded by Richard “Hollis” Helms in 2001, two years after he left the CIA where he had worked for nearly 30 years. Many of the company’s past employees and management have worked at the CIA or other intelligence agencies. In fact, Tim Shorrock notes in his 2008 book Spies for Hire that so many employees of the CIA were thought to be going to work for private companies like Abraxas that in 2005 CIA Director Porter Goss had to ask the company to stop recruiting in the CIA Cafeteria at Langley. The Los Angeles Times reported in 2006 that Abraxas had a contract from the CIA for developing front companies and false identities for the Agency’s nonofficial cover (NOC) program. The company and its work are so secretive that Shorrock reportedly called the company for comment and was told, “Sir, we don’t talk to the media.”
http://www.nvtc.org/tec/RichardHelms.php
http://publicintelligence.net/unravellin…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/201…
More...
Trapwire*, the national-to-global surveillance system is no fully operational. Those security cams you see everywhere, and many you don't observe, are watching and collecting data --- and can correlate that factor code (IMEI) on your cell phone, or smart phone, or laptop, or tablet, or automobile, etc.
At this very moment that network is being interfaced with UAV (surveillance drone) networks to be fully operational within the next several years.
Skynet, the ultimate control and enforcement element. Sound farfetched? You already saw that movie? The Terminator series?
Well, read Nick Turse's stuff (The Complex), and long before that, Alex Carey.
That's how they do their Influence Operations --- first fictionalize it for mass consumption --- next they make fun of the reality as being really harmless!
And that Terminator actor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, went on to do a deal with those Enron bandits and became governor.
And the members of Schwarzenegger's Republican administration went on to be appointed to Obama's administration.
Live and learn, suckers!
And those consultants on Cheney's and Poindexter's Total Information Awareness Project went on to be appointed to Obama's administration!
Live and learn, suckers!
Once Skynet --- or whatever they choose to name it --- is fully implemented, that's all folks; that's all she wrote!
One final chance, vote Jill Stein into the presidency in 2012, or bid goodbye to any fantasy of a possible democracy in America's future!
Trust Wall Street? Trust the government owned by Wall Street?
Romney and Ryan are so extreme rightwing --- the far rightwing Obama/Biden appear tame by comparison, but the finest presidential candidate in my lifetime is certainly Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party.
http://www.btlonline.org/2012/CTPT/mp3/1…
http://www.btlonline.org/2012/seg/120817…
Final warning . . .
*Trapwire: Abraxas Corporation, the company that originally created TrapWire under its subsidiary Abraxas Applications, also has significant ties to the CIA. The company was founded by Richard “Hollis” Helms in 2001, two years after he left the CIA where he had worked for nearly 30 years. Many of the company’s past employees and management have worked at the CIA or other intelligence agencies. In fact, Tim Shorrock notes in his 2008 book Spies for Hire that so many employees of the CIA were thought to be going to work for private companies like Abraxas that in 2005 CIA Director Porter Goss had to ask the company to stop recruiting in the CIA Cafeteria at Langley. The Los Angeles Times reported in 2006 that Abraxas had a contract from the CIA for developing front companies and false identities for the Agency’s nonofficial cover (NOC) program. The company and its work are so secretive that Shorrock reportedly called the company for comment and was told, “Sir, we don’t talk to the media.”
http://www.nvtc.org/tec/RichardHelms.php
http://publicintelligence.net/unravellin…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/201…
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The key here is mental illness and access to ridiculous high-power rapid-fire weapons, not ideology. Fortunately, most white supremacists, and most gun nuts, are too cowardly or incompetent to actually go into action.
Another one struck today in College Station, TX. Killed a cop and wounded some unknown number of other people shooting out of a house with an automatic weapon.
Another one struck today in College Station, TX. Killed a cop and wounded some unknown number of other people shooting out of a house with an automatic weapon.
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There are thousands of black and hispanic terrorist groups out there as well. Luckily, they mostly just kill each other.
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