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Monday, June 25, 2012

On Booze, Meth, Suicide... and GOProud

Posted by on Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Gay people abuse drugs, alcohol, and tobacco at higher rates than straight people do. We also commit suicide at higher rates. The haters on the religious right argue that these higher rates of self-harming behaviors are proof that the gay "lifestyle" is inherently dangerous and unhealthy. And since legalizing same-sex marriage or banning anti-gay job discrimination might result in more people choosing the unhealthy gay "lifestyle"—because being gay is a choice—society should discriminate against gay people for their own good.

So... the haters only discriminate against us because they love us and want us to be happy and healthy. See how that works?

The haters have it backwards. It's not that self-hatred in many gay people causes personally-destructive behavior. It's that the external hatred all gay people have to endure—discrimination, oppression, bigotry, and rejection by family members poisoned by "faith"—can lead to substance abuse, punishing sexual excess, and suicide. Being gay doesn't damage us. It's the way we are treated for being gay that leaves many of us damaged. Johann Hari said it best:

Being subjected to bullying and violence as children and teenagers makes gay people unusually vulnerable to depression and despair. The homophobes then use that depression and despair to claim that homosexuality is inherently a miserable state—and we shouldn’t do anything that might “encourage" it. They create misery, and then use it as a pretext to create even more misery.

Exactly. And new research shows that equality—not discrimination—makes gay people happier and healthier. (And yet the same folks who've insisted that they oppose equality for gay people because they worry about our health and happiness aren't coming out for marriage equality. Strange.)

I've been out for a while and I've seen my share of damaged gay dudes destroy themselves. Watching a friend drink himself to death or drug himself to death or fuck himself to death—or all three-at-once himself to death—isn't pretty. And here's something I've noticed about the self-hating, self-destructing gay guys I've known: it wasn't good enough for them to destroy only themselves. They had to destroy other gay men too. Using meth wasn't enough—they wanted their friends to use meth too. Abusing alcohol wasn't enough—they insisted that their friends match them drink-for-drink. And spinning out of control sexually wasn't enough—they wanted their friends to join them down at the bathhouse. (And for the record: having been damaged by hate and homophobia as a child explains but it doesn't excuse self-destructive behaviors in adulthood. You're responsible for the choices you make.)

Which kindasorta brings me to my recent dustup with GOProud. The hard-right gay Republican organization—a rightwing front group that exists to pinkwash the GOP—endorsed Mitt Romney last week. Romney, of course, opposes marriage equality. Romney supports DOMA. Romney has pledged to write anti-gay bigotry into the U.S. Constitution. Romney opposed the repeal of DADT. Romney opposes the federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA). Romney opposes adoptions by same-sex couples. GOProud's endorsement of Romney, while not a surprise, was annoying, and it prompted me to send out this tweet: "The GOP's house faggots grab their ankles, right on cue. Pathetic." The boys at GOProud accused me of using a hate term and claimed that I had bullied them. For the record, boys, this is what the bullying of an adult looks like. Politically-active adults taking the piss out of each other—and you guys have called me all sorts of lovely names—isn't bullying. And "faggot" is a word I've used to describe myself (on MSNBC!), it's a term I've used to describe my husband (in books!), it's a term my friends and I use to describe each other (all the time!). "Faggot" isn't an insult in my book—that's why I had to stick the word "house" in front of it.

Anyway, mixing it up with GOProud last week got me thinking about why a gay man would endorse—much less "commit significant resources" to help elect—a man who has pledged, if elected, to do as much harm as he possibly can to gay people. I mean, what kind of faggot supports a politician who would do him harm?

Oh, right: the same kind of faggot who would harm himself with drugs or alcohol or sex. The kind of gay men who don't like themselves or other gay people much. But while most self-loathing, self-destructive gay men are content to abuse booze, drugs, or dick, the self-hating GOProud boys abuse themselves with politics. And just like gay meth addicts who aren't satisfied harming only themselves, the boys at GOProud aren't satisfied harming only themselves. They want to harm other gay people—they want to harm all gay people—by getting Mitt Romney elected. And just like your meth-addicted friend who pushed the drug on you, or your drunk friend who mocked you for stopping at four, or your sexually out-of-control friend who insisted that you were a prude if you didn't play the come dump with him down at the bathhouse, the GOProud boys want you to abuse yourself the same way that they're abusing themselves. They want you to vote for Mitt Romney for the same reason your meth-addicted pal wanted you to use that stupid drug.

Because they're damaged.

UPDATE: GOProud co-founder Chris Barron tweets...

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No, Chris, I'm not saying gay conservatives are like meth addicts. I'm saying you guys at GOProud are like meth addicts. Please don't hide behind honorable, consistent conservatives. (Of which there are precious few these days.) I happen to believe a a person can be politically conservative—for smaller government, personal responsibility, a strong defense (all of which Obama has actually delivered, you ingrates)—without being a self-hating chump or so politically and personally self-destructive that he can be compared to a meth addict. Andrew Sullivan is a political conservative and I would never compare him to a self-hating, self-destructive meth addict. (And not just because we're buddies.) The LCR guys—who declined to endorse George H. W. Bush in '92, because he wouldn't condemn rightwing anti-gay rhetoric, and who didn't endorse George W. Bush in '04 because the younger Bush supported the Federal Marriage Amendment—can't be compared to meth addicts either. But you guys? Yes, that's a comparison that can be made. Just was, in fact, and I'm going to go right on making it.

Romney, the pol you guys just endorsed, backs the FMA. Endorsing him was methy of you guys, Chris, very, very methy.

UPDATE 2: Chris Barron is now attempting to hide behind all gays everywhere:

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No, Chris, I didn't compare gays to alcoholics. I compared self-destructive gays to self-destructive gays. You gotta be politically dense to back a party that opposes your civil equality, I realize, but do you really expect us to believe you're plain ol' dense dense?

 

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despicable me 1
Dayum, Dano, BIG HIGH FIVE! HUGE, actually!
Posted by despicable me on June 25, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 2
I remember this argument (it's so terrible to be gay, they should just be straight) being used on me as a teenager. It was as preposterous then as it is now.

It's a good reminder than, while liberals are far from perfect, conservatives are stuck in adolescent thinking. (eg. our local romney supporter).

Dan, keep up the good work, you wonderful faggot, you.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on June 25, 2012 at 3:22 PM
scary tyler moore 3
his last name is Hissey? i'll let everyone else make the jokes.
Posted by scary tyler moore http://pushymcshove.blogspot.com/ on June 25, 2012 at 3:23 PM
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the internalized homophobia is strong with that one. GOProud gives him and self-hating, self-loathing, square, white, middle-class fags exactly what they want: a little outlet and a lot of rules to follow. They get a sanitized little shamefest, keep some privilege, and get a stern warning to stay away from some imagined slippery slope into Big Scary Gay Culture.
Posted by Subdued Excitement on June 25, 2012 at 3:25 PM
BEG 5
ZING!

And that quote from Johann Hart is all kinds of awesome. Stealing, now.
Posted by BEG http://twitter.com/#!/browneyedgirl65 on June 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM
BritishRichard 6
*Stands up*

*Applauds*

*Wipes tear from eye and hopes no-one notices*
Posted by BritishRichard on June 25, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Urgutha Forka 7
That's what conservatives do on every issue. They're like kids who break a toy, then complain that the toy doesn't work anymore.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on June 25, 2012 at 3:33 PM
8
...Or maybe they're just idiots.
Posted by not_too_creative on June 25, 2012 at 3:35 PM
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Well said Dan. You have quite the way with words. Such a good role model for me and many others. I was mucked up until the age of 41. What contributed to this & I take full responsibilty is lack of acceptance. People giving me shite for my sexuality did not help at all. It actually resulted in a great deal of mental unease & wanting to be dead. It's take a while to wake up. It get's better. And it already is. Thanks for calling out these guys for what they are.
Posted by Michael Khalsa on June 25, 2012 at 3:36 PM
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Ibid! As one who suffered under the reign of the RomneyBot in Massachusetts, I can attest to how much the RomneyBot lies, flip-flops, and actively works against LGBT people. The 'man' who campaigned against Ted Kennedy, as the 'best friend' of the Gay community, once in office, showed his true colors, and worked feverishly right up to his leaving office, to thwart Marriage Equality, funding for GLSEN, for GLBT youth - anything he could do to destroy us. To the bozos on the GOProud bus, drop the Mitt Pipe, and get into rehab before November. And don't speak to me, if you see me on the street.
Posted by rockyjoedog on June 25, 2012 at 3:42 PM
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Dan, I'm proud to live on the same planet as you. Seriously.
Posted by rubus on June 25, 2012 at 3:48 PM
eclexia 12
My understanding is that the majority of gays on the GOP proud voted against the endorsement. But the straight members of the board voted for it.

Yes, that's right. GOP-proud has straight "minders". Because gay people are just a little too silly to know how to vote in their own interests.

Imagine the outrage if the NAACP had white people appointed to the board, who voted against the majority of black members on a given announcement.
Posted by eclexia on June 25, 2012 at 3:53 PM
venomlash 13
Daaamn. Shitstorm incoming, tracking it on DRADIS.
Posted by venomlash on June 25, 2012 at 3:54 PM
14
Also, please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't I read somewhere that of the 8 people on the GOProud board, 3 of them are straight? And it was the 3 straight dudes along with only 2 gay dudes who made the majority decision to support Romney? So a majority of the faggots actually voted AGAINST endorsing Romney. WTF? Why are straight dudes on the board of a gay political group in the first place?
Posted by SeattleKim on June 25, 2012 at 3:54 PM
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Gay people abuse drugs, alcohol, and tobacco at higher rates than straight people do.


These are all maladaptive coping mechanisms which have both genetic and environmental causes. The key environmental cause would be the discrimination and hate that is constantly being thrown around. This is a pity because people who are genetically prone to using these coping mechanisms are often great artists and thinkers when they haven't experienced significant psychological trauma.

As far as the tobacco abuse, perhaps this is a lesson. 50% of cigarettes smoked in the US are smoked by the mentally ill (google it). The other 50% are probably smoked by people who are on the spectrum but don't meet the threshold. Cigarettes aren't a luxury item, they are maladaptive coping mechanisms. Taxing the shit out of cigarettes and doing everything possible to ostracize smokers while at the same time cutting back on mental health programs will only help alienate a very vulnerable population. It is not surprising that LGBT persons smoke more than normal. I assure you, they aren't doing it to be cool.
Posted by delirian on June 25, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Sandiai 16
@14 you read it on here.

"Why are straight dudes on the board of a gay political group in the first place?"

I know, right? It's to keep them focussed on the "GOP" rather than the "Proud"?

Maybe Gay Douche for Romney can come and explain it to us.
Posted by Sandiai on June 25, 2012 at 4:03 PM
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Im not a GOPer, I am straight, and I volunteered 8+ hours for the libertarian Party yesterday in Seattle Center because I dont like discriminating against anyone, I dont know what the whole personal feud is about etc. But I dont belive in overly sterotyping left vs right. It was a Democrat who enacted DOMA, yet the handful of snarky Obamaists who shrugged at simply getting a third choice on the ballot in November for 'stealing votes" ( which as I understand is each persons right to choose, and if you dont belive in that then who cares about minortiy rights of any kind, whatever is popular wins ), when Governor Johnson went on a GOP debate infavor of marriage equality (always has been) and has never needed to 'evolve' on the issue or the discrimnatory drug war itself. I say that because, there were overwhelimgly GREAT Obama supporters who also supported us and thankful for their support whether or not they choose or candidate in november, which is why I dont understand why one would support such a base as the GOP if they are for a more limited government and . Being said, I dont think that liberals are inheriently better than GOP. I vote for all parties depending on the race. I jsut dont think Republicans=Bad Dems=Good. We have two party sytem duoplicy, and it only makes ense that one has to choose which side, I think both parties could use reforming and huge doses of inttelctual honesty (At least the GOP is changing towards liberties across the board with Ron Paul and his supporters) and I think that makes thrid parties even more relvant and important. To each their own , I just urge people to think outside the box, I get that this is spefic but I dont think conservative gays in general are bad thing at all. Even though it wasnt my things music wise and I am stragiht, I had a nice time and always appreciate humorous not overly serious LGBT people as always. I got signatures to promote something I believe in, super polite people in converstation exchanging opinions, and people who were laid back with a sense of humor.
More...
Posted by DeanPi on June 25, 2012 at 4:06 PM
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let us help you there danno....

"The haters have it backwards.

"It's not that the gay "lifestyle" is inherently dangerous and unhealthy.

"It's that homosexuality is just one more destructive behavior that people bent on self destruction indulge in."

see how that works?....
Posted by feel free to share that insight in a podcast on June 25, 2012 at 4:13 PM
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I'm going to go out and form a group that fights descrimination against all short women, but the only people allowed on the board will be very tall men. That should work out perfectly.
Posted by SeattleKim on June 25, 2012 at 4:15 PM
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@17:
It was a Democrat who enacted DOMA,

What choice did Clinton have? The Republicans might have had the power to send a Constitutional amendment to the States (which the President can do nothing about). And while Constitutional amendments are tough to pass, this was still 1996. In 2012, more than 3/4 of States ban same-sex marriage. It probably would have passed and Clinton and many Democrats would have lost their seats.

It may seem surprising today, but the amount of homophobia around 16 years ago was profound. DOMA was a shitty compromise, but it probably saved same-sex marriage in the US for generations. How long from now do you think that it would take for 2/3s of both Houses of Congress and 3/4 of the States to agree that same-sex marriage should be legal?
Posted by delirian on June 25, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Sargon Bighorn 21
Gay folk are messed up at a higher rate than Hetero-folk? Well my my, what does that say about the messed up Hetero-folk? Maybe they should not live the messed up Hetero-life style and THEY would be happier.

Nice post Mr Savage, we all know this to be the truth, it's nice to have someone with a platform to state it publicly.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on June 25, 2012 at 4:34 PM
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I guess there's not a lot of work that needs to be done at GOProud if its leaders have time to get into a pissing match with Dan.
Posted by seatackled on June 25, 2012 at 4:34 PM
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"Pinkwashing." Nice.

Homophobia isn't logical, just like racism isn't logical. Booker T. Washington thought that if blacks acted respectable and got their kids educated then whites would see that they were responsible enough to vote and just give them their rights. It's a huge compliment for which American Caucasians of the early twentieth century turned out to be unworthy.

So yes, toss that study out there, show people that being gay isn't what's making people unhealthy. You might prevent a few people in the middle from being brainwashed, but some people react to appeals to emotion and others don't react at all.

Attitudes like this don't go away. The people who hold them grow old and die.
Posted by DRF on June 25, 2012 at 4:55 PM
24
Romney's positions are shitty, but he does not oppose adoption by gay couples:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/…
Posted by Schorschi on June 25, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Bruce Garrett 25
Gotta love the way Barron first tries blend in with conservatives, then with gay folk. Sorta like the way anti-gay fundamentalists bellyache that calling them a bunch of knuckle dragging bigots is just hating on Christians.
Posted by Bruce Garrett http://brucegarrett.com/brucelog on June 25, 2012 at 6:02 PM
Bruce Garrett 26
Cigarettes aren't a luxury item, they are maladaptive coping mechanisms.

Yeah...tobacco is another thing I'd have added to the list. Use it myself from time to time and always, always, it is a stress coping mechanism. When Lambda Rising was still in business here in Baltimore it was located next to the Gay Community Center. Every now and then when I walked in the bookstore I'd walk past a group of gay teens standing outside the GCC...it must have been on one of their youth group meeting times...and most of the kids would be puffing away...a little cloud of tobacco smoke around the group. I really hated seeing that...you just knew why those kids were smoking.
Posted by Bruce Garrett http://brucegarrett.com/brucelog on June 25, 2012 at 6:08 PM
passionate_jus 27
Dudes just jealous that no one in America knows who he is or cares.
Posted by passionate_jus on June 25, 2012 at 6:12 PM
GoodOmens 28
@7 I see this kind of thinking all the time at my work. The person is stupid and then jumps up and down shouting that our machine is broken. It's not broken. You're not reading the screen before pressing the buttons. Who let you out of elementary school?
Posted by GoodOmens on June 25, 2012 at 6:48 PM
29
Andrew Sullivan was caught advertising for bareback sex couple years ago on some site while he wrote condescending opinion pieces blasting other gays' promiscuity.
Posted by JaxBriggs on June 25, 2012 at 7:04 PM
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This comment:
"They create misery, and then use it as a pretext to create even more misery."

Completely describes the abuser in any abusive relationship, be it a partner, a parent, a sibling, a pastor/priest/reverend, coach, or other "authority" in the "relationship".

Their abuse makes you crazy, then they tell you they need to abuse you more, because they need to "cure" your craziness.

One thing I learned from an emotionally-abusive ex, is that you have to realize your mind is owned by another, before you can act to take back that ownership. The words "free your mind" should be on billboards and bumper stickers all over the place.

Peace all!
Posted by CA Mom on June 25, 2012 at 7:55 PM
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The behavior of GOProud is ridiculous. Not only do they support the people who trample gay rights, but then they claim it is the left harming gay rights and the right helping them.

It would be as if I, a really adamant atheist, were to support people like Santorum. Or a gay person supporting Santorum. Or a woman supporting someone like Santorum. Or a bla.. person...
Posted by lqtm http://thenerdarium.wordpress.com/ on June 25, 2012 at 8:48 PM
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What the fuck is your problem with gay bathhouses?
Posted by JefferyK on June 25, 2012 at 9:04 PM
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@23: the sooner the better.
Posted by wxPDX on June 25, 2012 at 10:43 PM
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Hissey's a smarmy little asshole. Cute, though. The word hatefuck comes to mind.
Posted by Joe Glibmoron on June 25, 2012 at 11:10 PM
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I was at the founding meeting of the national gay conservative organization before the March on Washington in 1987....I had been a registered Republican....but I was coming out. About 45 minutes to an hour of being in that meeting I walked out. There was nothing there I could believe in...and no Republican is ever going to get my vote as long as I live. Now, I'm a registered Independent. In the state where I live democrats are no better....so that's why I'm this political middle of the road person. I don't understand why any gay person would want to endorse Romney after the last four years and the things that have occurred. DADT repealed...DOMA destroyed by federal courts...etc. It's time to take the last road through this wilderness of hate and Stand Proud....not GoProud on your knees hoping someone will notice we're begging.
Posted by Barry G. Wick on June 25, 2012 at 11:35 PM
36
I love you Dan, but I can't agree with this one bit. First of all, if someone from another side of politics called me a 'faggot' I'd be incensed, regardless of their own self-perception. It's still an insult to most of us, and for entirely obvious reasons.

Secondly, if we don't start getting representation amongst the GOP, we're doomed. There are two parties in this country, for better or for worse, and tying our wagon to the tail of one of them is a recipe for disaster. We need to go mainstream, we're not going to do that by saying shit like this. Could I join/vote/stand the GOP? No. But that's a lot more to do with the fact Austrian economics is idiotic than anything else. Do I support what GOProud is trying to do? You bet your ass I do.
Posted by commentoid on June 26, 2012 at 12:46 AM
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@36: LGBT can get representation in the GOP without selling themselves out. They can support candidates who espouse their Republican values but reject homophobia.

The Republicans are losing young people all the time. They lost my boyfriend to homophobia and misogyny; when the main issues of the right seem to be hating queers (me) and trying to take away birth control (my rights), how can they expect to keep the people of my generation who espouse small government and low taxes? GOProud should be focusing its efforts in primaries in which there's a candidate who doesn't hate them. They should be focusing on local elections in which they can support Republicans who will support them. I don't think they need to support Republicans who necessarily support gay marriage to be non-self-hating, but they at least shouldn't support someone who wants to take their rights away.
Posted by alguna_rubia on June 26, 2012 at 2:38 AM
Pope Peabrain 38
You make it sound like gay people are the only one's with self destrucrive behavior. Straight people have plenty of bad behavior but theirs strikes out at children. Alcohol, drugs, anger, reckless sex all destroy the lives of children. And for that reason it is far worse. Far, far worse.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on June 26, 2012 at 3:58 AM
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I can say at 51..almost 52..I agree with Dan 100% .....Im TIRED if Waiting for My RIGHTS, that Heteros Get and TAKE for GRANTED.....I'd like to be young enough to enjoy my RIGHTS,and I hope I see them ALL in my lifetime. The GoProud idiots are,and I'll say it again - Like Jews for Hitler. They're the ones who help put the bodies in the ovens (all the while saying, it wont happen to me)
Are there ALOT of Important Issues..You bet..but for me - MY no#1 issue is MY RIGHTS as a TAX PAYING GAY American Citizen, 1st and foremost! OBAMA 2012!
Posted by rextrek on June 26, 2012 at 5:19 AM
40
It's truly sad that Chris Barron considers himself so unworthy of happiness that he must attach himself to the political party that is determined to bring about his personal destruction...That takes a special kind of masochism...
Posted by talibaptist on June 26, 2012 at 6:17 AM
41
Sadly, you're just wasting your time. You can't reason with people that don't use reason. Their entire ideology is: money=highest priority, my own civil rights=who gives a shit, I've got my money.
Posted by David in Houston on June 26, 2012 at 6:19 AM
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#7,

They're actually more like a kid who breaks a toy, blame their sister for breaking the toy, and then tells mom and dad that, because said sister can't be trusted with toys, they should be put in charge of all future toys.
Posted by mshawn on June 26, 2012 at 6:40 AM
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And you want to know the really funny thing? Chris Barron actually voted against endorsing Romney when the decision came before the GOProud board. So on a certain level, you know he probably agrees with you, even though he's enough of a partisan hack that he needs to misrepresent your argument.
Posted by Grazzt on June 26, 2012 at 6:52 AM
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@20
I agree that constantly blaming Clinton for DOMA (and for DADT) is a gross misrepresentation of the situation, implying as it does that it was all his idea and that if he hadn't somehow championed it, all those wonderfully tolerant Republicans would never had dreamed of doing such a thing.

But he did have a choice. He didn't, it's true, have the choice of whether or not it would go into law, because of the huge bipartisan support it had. But he could have vetoed it and forced them to go on the record as overriding his veto, or he could have simply refused to sign, and let it lapse into law without his involvement at all.

It would have essentially been purely symbolic in effect. But sometimes symbols are important. No, Clinton isn't to blame for the law, but his hands weren't completely clean of it either.
Posted by Lymis on June 26, 2012 at 7:07 AM
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#38: I said gay people are self-destructive at higher rates. Implicit: straight people engage in the same behaviors... at lower rates.
Posted by Dan Savage on June 26, 2012 at 7:47 AM
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I don't understand the uproar. Are there really more than a couple dozen of these self loathing jack asses? It ahppens, but not in numbers that actually mean anything. There are black republicans, latino republicans, women republicans... all groups who are targets of GOP policy.
Posted by longball on June 26, 2012 at 7:53 AM
mwdean 47
I've always thought that guys like this are basically well-to-do fags who are willing to screw over their fellow fags for tax breaks. The two kinds of conservatives I've known are rich douchebags who don't give a shit about anything else in life except making and keeping more money, and lower income dupes who hate everybody except for Jesus and people who look and act just like themselves, and who buy the line of shit the right wing feeds them. I'd bet cash that most of GOProud is of the former persuasion. They're basically a bunch of sellouts.
Posted by mwdean on June 26, 2012 at 9:24 AM
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Dan,

You believe that the word "faggot" is socially acceptable, because there's nothing wrong with being a member of the group it describes; presumably, you also think that the words "nigger" and "kyke" are also acceptable, for the same reason. The thing is: not everyone agrees. Most members of minority groups find it insulting and demeaning to be referred to using slurs. We consider them insults, because they are insults, and they insult not just us, but the group we belong to as well. The implication, when using a slur, is that being a part of the group being slurred is inherently demeaning. That is what slurs, to the vast majority of people, mean. And you can't expect everyone to know your personal definitions for them.

Now, you may use the word "faggot" casually to refer to yourself and friends, including your readers, and that's fine. It's fine because:
a) It's safe. Friends know what you mean, and they know you aren't hostile to them.
b) It's consensual. A friend can ask you not to call them that, and expect some consideration from you, even if you don't agree with them.
c) It's not an insult. As such, it does not reinforce the notion that being a part of the group described is inherently demeaning.

Your tweet, however, was an insult. It was meant to attack GOProud - who, by all means, are worthy of attack, but... That changes the meaning of the word. It's not safe and friendly, it is an insult, and as such, to everyone who isn't intimately familiar with your personal definitions, it does reinforce the notion that being a faggot is wrong.
Posted by HopingThisIsn'tAutomaticallyDeleted on June 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM
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Every time the subject of GOProud comes to mind, all I can think of is the monologue in Angels In America that Roy Cohn (via Al Pacino) gives to his doctor Henry about how the label "homosexual" reflects more on a persons clout and status than it does who they sleep with. To him, that label meant being a nobody, and thus he couldn't possibly be one. I really think that fits GOProud well. At every turn they downplay their own identity and bash those whom they believe fit "negative stereotypes" (Remember Hissey basically outright saying he didn't like gays? I do). At every turn they accuse "the left" of playing identity politics that they see as for the "weak". It would seem every one of their actions indicate a sense of complete discomfort if not outright revulsion for LGBT culture as most of us actual LGBT activists understand it.
Posted by Blaine on June 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM
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Um, Andrew Sullivan is a self-hating gay.

Or have you forgotten his little tirade over HIV+ people having bareback sex while he himself was soliciting bareback sex with his poz ass?

The man had a dripping hardon for Bush II, if you recall. If it's methy for GOProud to do it, why isn't it so for Sully?
Posted by Rrhain on June 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM
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Chris Barron and the GOProud types are NOT self-hating. I really think that is a mistake to see them that way. Just like Mary Cheney, these types are actually extremely egotistical, narcissistic, and incredibly selfish. They look down on other lgbt people, not themselves. They think they are above everyone and that's why they have no problem supporting anti-gay candidates. They are definitely toxic people, but not "self-loathing".
Posted by Mateo1970 on June 26, 2012 at 1:33 PM
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can we just ignore them please, dan you of all people should know what happens when you give these idiots your undivided attention....exactly what they want...more exposure...more mind share...they are a waste of oxygen and you are giving it to them....pull the plug...i love what you do for, and have done for us, and it hurts me seeing you do such counter productive actions...let them suffocate
Posted by epiccollision on June 26, 2012 at 1:35 PM
53
So what is Chris Barron's job, anyway? Is he the official tweeter for GOProud? If not, it seems like he should be doing something besides responding to Dan's tweets.
Posted by B. Snow http://bsnowwriter.blogspot.com on June 26, 2012 at 2:58 PM
GymGoth 54
Dan, you cannot say that you acknowledge gay conservatives and then condemn them for voting for the conservative political party and their candidates.

You can spin Obama all you want but he is not conservative on any of the major issues. I will not vote for president based on a gay litmus test issue. The office is too important and the problems this country faces are too daunting.

Romney all the way....
Posted by GymGoth on June 27, 2012 at 8:18 AM
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@54 You know, you don't have to be a Democrat in order not to be a Republican. If you don't like Obama then don't vote for him, but that doesn't mean you have to vote for Romney.

The fact that you would vote for a candidate who has pledged to actively work against your own interests shows that you seem to think that you'll be exempt from their machinations. That you're one of the "good" gays that the Republicans won't go after.

But you know what a Republican calls his gay "friends" when push comes to shove?

"Faggot."

If they were "good" Republicans, they wouldn't be Republicans.
Posted by Rrhain on June 27, 2012 at 9:47 AM
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You rock, Dan Savage!
Posted by Sonny on June 27, 2012 at 3:45 PM
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Dan Savage, keep on telling the outrageous truth and don't let anyone tone you down or succeed in having you couch your words so they don't offend. Our enemies, a lot of our friends and even some in our community don't like hearing the truth, which is why we need you shouting it out loud and clear.

As far as gay Republicans are concerned, be they the Log Cabin type or GOProud variety, I think they should be pariahs who are publically identified in every city and town and totally shunned by every member of our community socially and in business dealings, right down to being turned away at gay-owned stores and restaurants.

Michael Romanello
Posted by Michael -- Washington, DC on June 27, 2012 at 7:05 PM
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Excellent Work Savage! Once again creating perfect context telling it like it is. Try as I might to find a patient friendly approach to understanding GoProud (or any gay GOP Member) reasoning .. a hopeless quest within my mind. Voting for someone who may be of this party - occasionally, the likes of Kenny Quinn do show up on a ballot.
Posted by RexT on June 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM
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Please explain to me how Obama has been pushing personal responsibility?

I live in Chicago, which is the epicenter of government dependence. Specifically, the government is the largest employer, we have the highest rate of corruption and the worst finances in the country.

Your ingrate comment is not only pithey and childish, it's simply wrong.

You, Dan Savage, are too bias and too delusional for your own good.
Posted by nixhex1 on April 16, 2013 at 11:18 AM

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