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Health 51% Oppose Obamacare?
Posted by Charles Mudede on Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 8:52 AM
A new CNN/ORC International poll released today shows that 51 percent of Americans oppose the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, while 43 percent are in favor of it. Six percent have no opinion on the matter.In short, only a small number of Americans, around 35%, are opposed to universal healthcare. The Economist might be right for once; a ruling against Obamacare could reallyOf the 51 percent polled who oppose the healthcare law, one-third said they oppose it for being too politically liberal. One in six people polled said they oppose the PPACA because its healthcare reforms don't go far enough.
The results are nearly identical to those from a poll asking the same questions in March, when the Supreme Court began hearing arguments about the healthcare law's constitutionality.
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You can twist it any way you like, but America is a unique country and we require unique solutions.
That is why pure socialism doesn't work.
However, Romneycare does...because it blends!
That is why pure socialism doesn't work.
However, Romneycare does...because it blends!
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@1,
What the hell are you yapping about?
ALL countries are "unique." So what?
Who's using pure socialism? The Health Care act sure as hell isn't, unless you believe giving private corporations gobs of power and authority is "socialism."
As for the original post, the republicans might not "spike the football" if the Supreme Court overturns the Health Care act; however, Fox "news" sure as hell will. It's all they'll talk about.
What the hell are you yapping about?
ALL countries are "unique." So what?
Who's using pure socialism? The Health Care act sure as hell isn't, unless you believe giving private corporations gobs of power and authority is "socialism."
As for the original post, the republicans might not "spike the football" if the Supreme Court overturns the Health Care act; however, Fox "news" sure as hell will. It's all they'll talk about.
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The number of people who oppose it goes down when the provisions of the law are described to them accurately. Fox News tells people that jack-booted thugs are going to take their medicines away and force them to have abortions, but it's not actually the case. The ACA is in fact the antithesis of socialism (more's the pity).
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1. charles, show your math. to me one sixth of roughly 50% is roughly ....oh nine points...adding that to the 41 points give 50 points not 65 points.
2. single payer, nationalized health care, private systems that are more like nonprofit trusts with super regulation, it's all pretty much the same thing: NOT RUN FOR PRIVATE INSURER PROFIT. all over the world this nonmarket solution works. like sewers, or electricity, or having cell phones. nothing about america's uniqueness means it won't work here. fuck man it works in fucking canada how fucking different are they from us, I can't even tell a canadian is one unless they tell me. peter jennings is one, I think. who knew?
2. single payer, nationalized health care, private systems that are more like nonprofit trusts with super regulation, it's all pretty much the same thing: NOT RUN FOR PRIVATE INSURER PROFIT. all over the world this nonmarket solution works. like sewers, or electricity, or having cell phones. nothing about america's uniqueness means it won't work here. fuck man it works in fucking canada how fucking different are they from us, I can't even tell a canadian is one unless they tell me. peter jennings is one, I think. who knew?
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Too bad they keep voting in ways that don't exactly conform to "we want MORE, not fewer, health care reforms"--especially in 2010.
If they actually had pushed Congress, they could have even managed to get a Public Option in the current ACA. Instead they sat back and let a few extreminsts throw a TEA Party and scare the bejesus out of Congress.
If they actually had pushed Congress, they could have even managed to get a Public Option in the current ACA. Instead they sat back and let a few extreminsts throw a TEA Party and scare the bejesus out of Congress.
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Good Morning Charles,
I am not so sure the GOP would be hurt by a ruling against Obamacare (I'm for it, BTW). I do know the Administration will be bothered big time. I've read an account of what the Dems/Administration is prepping for in case it, AHCA is rejected by the SCOTUS. It is at least a bigger conundrum for the Administration as the SCOTUS will have denied Obama his signature legislative achievement of his presidency.
I am not so sure the GOP would be hurt by a ruling against Obamacare (I'm for it, BTW). I do know the Administration will be bothered big time. I've read an account of what the Dems/Administration is prepping for in case it, AHCA is rejected by the SCOTUS. It is at least a bigger conundrum for the Administration as the SCOTUS will have denied Obama his signature legislative achievement of his presidency.
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Just to nitpick, 35% isn't a small number. That's about 1 in 3 people. It's far from a majority, but not insignificant.
That said, I really wish those 35% would pull their heads out of their asses.
That said, I really wish those 35% would pull their heads out of their asses.
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My project will be to collect photos and screen shots and clippings of gleeful conservatives dancing in the streets and leaving celebratory online comments after the healthcare bill is struck down by the Supreme Court. When thousands of people start dying after losing their health care because insurance companies will again be allowed to deny them based on their pre-existing conditions, we'll need concrete evidence to remind the public just how sociopathic and nihilistic the Republican party is.
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And yet 100% of Americans are in favor of the Affordable Care Act-mandated rebates they're about to receive from their medical insurers...
It's all SOSHULIZM until I gots my fist full of dollars... then it's okay.
/sheesh
It's all SOSHULIZM until I gots my fist full of dollars... then it's okay.
/sheesh
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My non-expert hunch is that the Supreme Court will toss out the mandate and keep the rest, but if they toss the whole thing out and we go back to the way things were in 2009, and we lose all the benefits that came with the law, there's going to be some grumpy voters. Polls show that most people do want some sort of healthcare reform. They're not going to be happy with the GOP once we're left with the smoldering rubble of the ACA.
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If you lose the mandate the math falls apart and some of the rest of the law goes moot. Although being nationwide; insurance companies don't have quite the whip hand they have with individual states. Harder to take their ball and go home.
I am not a huge fan of RomObamaCare but it seems better than what came before.
I am not a huge fan of RomObamaCare but it seems better than what came before.
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If they rule against Obamacare and it leads to single payer in the next one or two decades, well, won't that be an irony - and it'll be inevitable. As it stands, out-of-control inflation of healthcare costs is going to force some sort of reform. Obamacare, single payer, and abolition of Medicare and Medicaid are the only real options to prevent total budget breakage. The third option will never fly in this democracy, even though Republicans can dream and delude themselves on it. That leaves single payer if Obamacare is overturned.
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