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Tuesday, April 17, 2012

Complaining About Romney Being Secretive Is Assaulting His Religion Now, Apparently

Posted by on Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:44 PM

It's only going to get uglier from here. Hidden in Mike Allen's morning Politico report is an interesting little observation. The Obama campaign has lately been accusing Mitt Romney of being secretive. Republicans are taking these comments on secrecy as attacks on Romney's Mormonism:

WHAT REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING about the “penchant for secrecy” attack line against Romney: “These are exactly the kind of questions we asked about Obama in 2008 and were accused of race baiting, or suggesting he was somehow un-American. Now they ask it: What's his secret? It does seem like they are going after the Mormonism, right? I'd do the same thing if I was them. But we were never up on our high horse about better angels and hope and change and all that B.S..”

—From an LDS member: “[T]his is a way to talk about Romney’s Mormonism without appearing to be attacking his religion. … Because, isn’t Mormonism some mysterious cult involving secret temple rites and strange undergarments? And it just happens to dovetail with some minor points on offshore accounts, but I think the message between the lines is clear.”

So many responses here that I don't know where to start. First of all: Mormonism is secretive. Ann Romney's non-Mormon family wasn't allowed in the temple to watch her get married to Mitt Romney. The church secretly baptized Holocaust victims for years before the truth came out. And the undergarments are a totally real thing, too.

But that doesn't matter. What matters is, Mitt Romney is a secretive candidate. He won't admit whether or not he'd have signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Unlike every presidential candidate before him, he won't disclose his big donors. He won't tell the general public what government agencies he will cut if he becomes president, because he knows that information will be unpopular. (But he will give you a few more hints if you happen to be a wealthy donor to his campaign.) He won't release the tax returns that even his Republican opponents wanted him to release. He had his cronies spend six figures to buy and then delete hard drives that were used when he was governor of Massachusetts. He could be the most secretive major-party presidential candidate in American history. At the very least, he's got to be in the top five, up there with Richard Nixon. This has nothing to do with his religion. It has to do with the facts.


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Gay Dude for Romney 1
Interesting how Harry Reid was never subjected to assaults on his LDS faith.

Romney did release 2010 statement and will his 2011. Candidates are not required to disclose their returns, its optional.

Every organization deletes data.

What's next Paul for me to clarify?
Posted by Gay Dude for Romney on April 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM · Report this
"These are exactly the kind of questions we asked about Obama in 2008 and were accused of race baiting, or suggesting he was somehow un-American."

No. You were asking about his birth certificate and claiming that he was not born in the USofA.

Big difference there.

No one is claiming Romney did not have any income in the USofA in the last decade.
They're asking to see his tax forms just like EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on April 17, 2012 at 1:01 PM · Report this
Fred Casely 3
We should be grateful. Every moment Romney spends being secretive is one in which he's not telling outright lies that plenty of voters will believe.
Posted by Fred Casely on April 17, 2012 at 1:03 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 4
@ 1, interesting that Rmoney isn't being subject to assaults on his faith, either.

When did you stop beating your boyfriend?
Posted by Matt from Denver on April 17, 2012 at 1:06 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 5
@1: i don't remember harry reid running for president, only senator of a state with a large mormon population.

and no democrat is bringing up willard's insane misogynistic absurd religion, regardless. that's my job.

Posted by Max Solomon on April 17, 2012 at 1:07 PM · Report this
Allyn 6
I suppose [we] are going after his Mormonism, though indirectly. If his religion insists that anything not caught on camera is a secret, if his religion has secrecy so ingrained that he can’t find the line between religious secrecy and personal secrecy, then in that way, sure, his religion is under attack.

The Mormons could be sacrificing cats during their closed-door ceremonies and I don’t care. But if a candidate can’t be open (or at least deflective) then she/he should be called out on that.
Posted by Allyn on April 17, 2012 at 1:31 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 7
Pretty sure having him release his 2004-2010 tax returns that show his massive IRS fines for using illegal off shoring to avoid paying US taxes is pretty darned important.

Secrecy my ass.
Posted by Will in Seattle on April 17, 2012 at 1:34 PM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 8
So, Political Party A hates the way Political Party B uses the exact same tactics Political Party A used against Political Party B a couple years ago.…
Posted by Urgutha Forka on April 17, 2012 at 1:37 PM · Report this
Except that Romney's father (George Romney) released 12 years of his tax forms when he ran AND BEFORE HE WAS THEIR CANDIDATE.

If Daddy Romney can do that kind of thing, what does Romney have to fear?
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on April 17, 2012 at 1:41 PM · Report this
Reverse Polarity 10
I think Romney has far more to fear from right wing god-botherers from his own party regarding his mormonism than he does from democrats, most of whom don't really give a shit about his professed religious beliefs.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on April 17, 2012 at 1:47 PM · Report this
Romney could be wind-boarding his dog right now... except he didn't know it would become such a big 'thing'.
Posted by subwlf on April 17, 2012 at 2:06 PM · Report this
"You're just using my membership in a secret society with an agenda of world domination as a pretext to cast aspersions on my plans for world domination! It is religious persecution to ask me to be honest and candid."
Posted by Proteus on April 17, 2012 at 2:44 PM · Report this
I actually do think there's a certain amount of ugly attempts to draw attention to Romney's Mormonism with the sole goal of implying that it's shady and he is therefore shady. It's unbecoming. There is plenty secretive and weird about Romney without suggesting that his religion is illegitimate, and I suspect he practices religion to only a very boring degree and with an average amount of sincerity. It's a tactic that appeals to crazies on the right more than any other group, and the left can't have those votes anyhow.
Posted by Orsh on April 17, 2012 at 3:13 PM · Report this
@1 - how about the use of "its" versus "it's"?

@13, no one (but you) has used the word "shady" about Mormonism. It's somewhat secretive and we all know that. You can't go to Mormon wedding if you aren't Mormon. Can't get much more secretive than that.

Is his religion illegitimate? Is any religion legit? You'd have to answer that one yourself. Most religion is based on stuff someone says he saw or heard with no proof. So Mormonism is just a legit as any other. It's all about faith and what you are willing to believe.

But the fact that the Mormon church has put out these "feel-good, I'm a Mormon" advertisements without explaining Mormonism tells you all you need to know.
Posted by westello on April 17, 2012 at 3:31 PM · Report this
MacCrocodile 15
@13 - No, the left can't have those votes, but making it so that no serious candidate can have them, either is at least half as good.
Posted by MacCrocodile on April 17, 2012 at 3:32 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 16
@13: mormomism isn't "shady", it's fucking ridiculous. ask any jack mormom.

rmoney's fondest wish is for the obama campaign/the democratic party to point this out so he can cry persercution. mormonism is the br'er patch of this election.
Posted by Max Solomon on April 17, 2012 at 3:38 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 17
i mean jack mormoN.
Posted by Max Solomon on April 17, 2012 at 3:39 PM · Report this
bleedingheartlibertarian 18
Mormonism is a secretive religion...about which anyone with an internet connection and time on their hands can learn anything they care to know.

What's funny to me is how many evangelicals (which isn't an exact synonym for "Republicans", but the Venn overlap is substantial ) were more than happy to trash Mormonism until about six months ago.
Posted by bleedingheartlibertarian on April 17, 2012 at 3:43 PM · Report this
Reverse Polarity 19
@13, I think mormonism is exactly as legitimate as catholicism, or buddhism, or pastafarianism. Which is to say: they're all equally bullshit.

But I don't care if Romney is mormon, or if Obama is a secret muslin. I only care if they try to impose their religious beliefs on me by force of law. Since republicans often have a nasty habit of attempting to enshrine their particular religious nonsense into law, then they make their religious beliefs a fair topic of political discussion.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on April 17, 2012 at 3:54 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 20
@19: buddhism is a-theistic. buddha is not a god. buddha didn't find gold plates left on another continent by krishna, translate them by looking into a hat, then lose them.

it is essentially a psychological practice that will produce greater happiness & empathy.
if any religion has legitimacy, it is buddhism.
Posted by Max Solomon on April 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM · Report this
Fnarf 21
@20, bullcrap. Buddhism has nothing. What gives a religion legitimacy is real estate. The Catholics lead the league in real estate, and very spectacular it is, too. The Mormon architecture is not to my taste but there's no denying the quantity of it.

Respect for your neighbors as human beings means accepting that people believe some things that seem pretty strange. So do you. If you can't accept that, you're a worse neighbor than they are.
Posted by Fnarf on April 17, 2012 at 5:04 PM · Report this
#21 - I don't think anyone here doesn't accept that people believe strange things. But I, for one, reserve the right to ask questions about those strange beliefs, and even to mock them when appropriate. I have friends and family members who believe all kinds of nonsense, but there's no way I'd vote for them to hold high office. I like a certain amount of common sense and grounding in the real world in my presidential candidates. No one wants to outlaw mormonism. No one is saying they can't be decent people. But they, like every other church, should pay their goddamn taxes already and keep their beliefs out of our secular government. That's how I'd define being a good neighbor.
Posted by catsnbanjos on April 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM · Report this
Don't worry. When he becomes President, we'll all find out everything we need to know about Mittens.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on April 18, 2012 at 3:27 AM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 24
The ones calling into question Romney based on his faith were far right wing evangelicals. They said things to the effect that Romney isn't a Christian, and that Mormonism is a cult, etc.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore on April 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM · Report this

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