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Thursday, March 8, 2012

Arizona Senate to Women: You Are Expendable

Posted by on Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Your fetus is not:

It’s called a “wrongful birth” bill and it’s all about preventing women from having an abortion, even if it kills them. The Arizona Senate passed a bill this week that gives doctors a free pass to not inform pregnant women of prenatal problems because such information could lead to an abortion.

In other words, doctors can intentionally keep critical health information from pregnant women and can’t be sued for it. According to the Arizona Capitol Times, “the bill’s sponsor is Republican Nancy Barto of Phoenix. She says allowing the medical malpractice lawsuits endorses the idea that if a child is born with a disability, someone is to blame.” So Republicans are banning lawsuits against doctors who keep information from pregnant women so as to prevent them from choosing to have an abortion.

When do women start rioting?


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Danger 1
This could be my wife/girlfriend/friend/fellow human being. I'll fucking riot.
Posted by Danger on March 8, 2012 at 12:47 PM · Report this
biffp 2
Republicans do not care about half the population. How easy should it be to defeat them? Nobody outside of the 1% likes Romney. And yet with super PACs it's going to be close.
Posted by biffp on March 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM · Report this
ryanayr 3
Right, because giving birth to a Tay-Sachs baby or anenchephalitic baby is a beautiful god-given blessing, that no mother has the right to interfere with. Can they pass a law that requires these Republicans to watch critically diseased infants die agonizing deaths from their genetic diseases, a la Clockwork orange?
Posted by ryanayr on March 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM · Report this
merry 4

Posted by merry on March 8, 2012 at 12:53 PM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 5
I can see it now...
1. Woman finds out she'll likely die if she gives birth to fetus.
2. Republicans refuse to allow woman to have abortion in order to save the fetus.
3. Woman dies giving birth.
4. Republicans charge fetus with murder.
5. Fetus sentenced to death.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on March 8, 2012 at 12:53 PM · Report this
Surely this? Right? But where are the angry throngs of women (and men)? This shit is getting blatant at this point. So where are the riots?

Can I blame the internets? I think it's a contributor to citizen complacency.

Sure we find out about all these outrageous things more quickly and tell each other about it, but getting on the internet to vent taps a valve that used to only get tapped by going out and lighting shit on fire in the street.

Oh well. We'll know for sure how complacent (or not) people have gotten in November.
Posted by tkc on March 8, 2012 at 12:58 PM · Report this
Simple 7
People vote against their own self all of the time, more often out of hate as opposed to altruism it seems. Any woman who has cast a vote for the GOP in the last decade has voted against herself.
Posted by Simple on March 8, 2012 at 12:59 PM · Report this
Vince 8
This Nancy Barto is a fucking neo-fascist fuck and people need to hit the fucking streets in numbers large enough to scare the shit out of her.
Posted by Vince on March 8, 2012 at 1:00 PM · Report this
Thread closed: #5 wins it.
Posted by brucedene on March 8, 2012 at 1:09 PM · Report this
Not that this isn't entirely stupid legislation, but a particularly stupid aspect of it is that a significant portion of birth defects that can be detected in utero are likely to result in stillbirth or very early death. Not to mention hellacious levels of misery all around.

If you're actually "pro-family," and a woman wants a child, which makes more sense? Pick one:

a) Force, coerce, or deceive woman into wasting 9 months of her life, nutrients, blood and energy bearing a doomed fetus.

b) Give her whatever medical care gives her the best chance of bearing a healthy child, and if things are going south, a chance to restart as soon as possible.

Every logical, sane person would choose the latter. WTF is wrong with these people?
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on March 8, 2012 at 1:10 PM · Report this
pfffter 11
We should ALL be rioting.
Posted by pfffter on March 8, 2012 at 1:10 PM · Report this
#5 FTW
Posted by RLC3 on March 8, 2012 at 1:11 PM · Report this
The answer to preventing all pregnancies - and thereby eliminating any need for birth control or abortion or any doctor liability regarding disabilities in unborn babies, etc. etc. etc. is to simply cut off all penises. No penises in the world = no problems with pregnancies. Makes sense to me. About as much sense as the rest of this bullshit.
Posted by xina on March 8, 2012 at 1:11 PM · Report this
Fnarf 14
Why pass all these silly laws, when we could solve the problem entirely in one fell swoop: make it illegal for women to see doctors at all, for any reason. Problem solved!
Posted by Fnarf on March 8, 2012 at 1:21 PM · Report this
ryanayr 15
@14 - I'm sure America's christian scientists are sick and tired of having their taxpayer money being wasted on all this medical nonsense when it should be better spent on prayer. I say make doctors illegal.

Posted by ryanayr on March 8, 2012 at 1:31 PM · Report this
balderdash 16
Yeah, there's basically no reason for any sane person to live in Arizona at this point. The place was already a shitty desert, and now it's become psychopath central.
Posted by balderdash on March 8, 2012 at 1:34 PM · Report this
Fnarf 17
Posted by Fnarf on March 8, 2012 at 1:34 PM · Report this
ryanayr 18
@17 - Mexico, like the rest of us! Also, you just came up with a new pharmaceutical miracle - Oxyciagra: Pass out with a boner and still somehow wet the bed.
Posted by ryanayr on March 8, 2012 at 1:41 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 19
The Onion called it years ago.
Posted by keshmeshi on March 8, 2012 at 1:42 PM · Report this
Women need to simply go on a sex strike. Shit would get done way, way faster if these women-hating douchebags weren't getting laid (assuming that they are currently getting laid). In addition it will get men who support women's rights to give a shit outside of simply saying "this is bullshit."
We could get everyone to riot that way.
Posted by Bored@School on March 8, 2012 at 1:56 PM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 21
Actually, @16, it's significantly more liberal than it used to be. There's been a tremendous influx of Californians over the last 20 years or so, which is how people like Gabby Giffords could get elected. That would have been unthinkable not that long ago.

The liberals are still in the minority statewide, though, and the old-timers don't like them much, to say the least. Interesting dynamic going on there if you pay attention.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty on March 8, 2012 at 1:56 PM · Report this
I live in her district and have sent letter upon letter to her office. Voted against her in the primaries. Rallied at the capitol. It's pretty hopeless here for women.
Posted by scottsdalehell on March 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM · Report this
Gabby Giffords represents the district that includes Tucson; look at any political map of Arizona, and Tucson is a lone, tiny speck of blue. It's a college city full of Portland expats, not Californians. Check Scottsdale if you want to find them.
Posted by petunia23 on March 8, 2012 at 2:07 PM · Report this
Hm, I was right after all. Americans really can't hit the bottom of stupidity.
Posted by Mattyx on March 8, 2012 at 2:07 PM · Report this
I'm with @20. No need to cut off all the penises, just prevent access. We don't have any problem with the gays.
Posted by natalie on March 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM · Report this
venomlash 26
Posted by venomlash on March 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM · Report this
wtf is wrong with these people??
Posted by truant on March 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM · Report this
OuterCow 28
I can't think of any rational response to this at the moment besides punching holes in walls.

Posted by OuterCow on March 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM · Report this
Am I alone in thinking this is the worst. International Women's Day. ever?
Posted by teamcanada on March 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM · Report this
i'm so busy (and tired) raising the kids that those bigots think i shouldn't have because i'm married to a woman to have any energy left to riot. but instead i give an automatic donation of $30 every month to planned parenthood, and might raise it to $50 soon. if you can't riot, at least put your money where your mouth is, girls (and you boys should too!).
Posted by martarose on March 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM · Report this
It's not that women and people who love women are not rioting, it's just the Police just run someone through with an anti S.B. 1070 sign, and then deport everyone.
Posted by Acknowledging the injunction ruins... nevermind. on March 8, 2012 at 2:52 PM · Report this
Gurldoggie 32
@5, you forgot the last step in your progression:

6. Republicans win in Arizona by a landslide.
Posted by Gurldoggie on March 8, 2012 at 3:20 PM · Report this
Nancy Barto must be the only person who saw Rosemary's Baby and sided with the doctor.
Posted by mitten on March 8, 2012 at 3:27 PM · Report this
Hernandez 34
"Wrongful birth?" What the fuck does that even mean?

@20 Actually, if women really did that, the likelier outcome is that conservative politicians would just start openly advocating rape. Woman-haters, every single last one of them.
Posted by Hernandez on March 8, 2012 at 3:29 PM · Report this
Alicia 35
Every day, the term "pro-life" seems a little bit more Orwellian than it did before.
Posted by Alicia on March 8, 2012 at 3:33 PM · Report this
@21 AZ is not more liberal now than it used to be. 20 or so years ago, we had a Democratic gov (Babbitt), a Dem in the Senate (DeConcini), and Dems ruled most of the urban legislative districts. Even our GOP govs back in history (save Mecham, who was booted) weren't as nucking futs as the current thing running AZ (into the ground). Now Flagstaff and Tucson are about the only bastions of sanity in the whole fucking state. My father was in the house as a moderate Republican in Maricopa County - he didn't feel the need to interfere with a woman's uterus, he supported public schools, and he worked with people in both parties to pass legislation. Then he was ousted because he wasn't Republican enough. AZ is duking it out with UT and TX to be the worst state in the union.
Posted by StuckInUtah on March 8, 2012 at 4:55 PM · Report this
Actually, I'm curious about the reactions this will cause in the state of Arizona itself. #23 and #21above make it seem like developments there might be interesting to follow.

By the way, is there anything in the constitution or in higher-order federal regulations that this law would be incompatible with and might them be grounds for a judge striking it down? Does anybody happen to know?
Posted by ankylosaur on March 8, 2012 at 4:56 PM · Report this
Dan, you read my mind. Every time something like this comes up, I think about rioting. They are really turning up the heat on women and it's terrifying. There are two anti-abortion bills here in Minnesota too. One state senator just made a statement saying that the birth control mandate is like "making the car insurance company pay for your windshield wipers". The local Planned Parenthood chapter sent out an email asking, "if birth control is windshield wipers, what is Viagra?" (My answer: Viagra is like the Garfield with suction cup feet. Just for fun, and ultimately serving no real purpose.)
Posted by nokidsandthreemoney on March 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM · Report this
They already have these laws in several states; Arizona is not the first. Idaho, Utah, South Dakota, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Georgia.
Posted by Suzy on March 8, 2012 at 8:25 PM · Report this
Skye Blu 40
The Oklahoma "Wrongful Birth" law also makes it where disabled or adopted children can't sue their parents for either cruelty or abandonment.
Posted by Skye Blu on March 8, 2012 at 8:47 PM · Report this
Yes @5 and Yes @30....

Riot begins after I wake up at 6 a.m., make breakfast, drive an hour to work, work like a dog, leave work at 8, get home at 9 p.m. make dinner, try not to cry myself to sleep and repeat.
Posted by Papayas on March 8, 2012 at 9:20 PM · Report this
We're not rioting, but there is going to be a march in September.
Posted by MarylandCrab on March 8, 2012 at 10:53 PM · Report this
Well, according to Barto's fact sheet on the bill, 9 other states already have something like this on the books ( Anyone know more? The fact sheet questions the idea that a disabled child's life is worth more than a healthy child's life. Yet again, the Conservatives pointing out that the mother's life is worth the least of all.
Posted by tracey s. on March 8, 2012 at 11:51 PM · Report this
Well, they couldn't have picked a better time to start doing this shit. The feminist movement has all but disbanded due to lack of support from even their progressive liberal peers for the last fifteen years, and feminism's been largely derided by practically everyone since the 90s.

So now all we're left with is a bunch of impotent internet commenters writing, "Oh noes, what can we doooo? If only there were some kind of group fighting on our behalf to stop this!"
Posted by virginia mason on March 9, 2012 at 8:15 AM · Report this
next up in news: all women of childbearing age move out of Arizona...

How are they skirting around the ethical issue that doctors should disclose all health related information to the pertinent patient? What's next, doctors will no longer be able to perform hysterectomies or other surgeries since they prevent women from becoming pregnant?

Remind me to never live in Arizona.
Posted by Arizona Wake-up call on March 9, 2012 at 8:25 AM · Report this
Ophian 46
VA and AZ should get together and pass laws so that doctors are only allowed to give medical care to men and rape women.

Also legislation to outlaw shoes for women and restrict them to kitchens.
Posted by Ophian on March 9, 2012 at 10:21 AM · Report this
How about Indiana? A woman is being charged with murder because she tried to commit suicide when she was pregnant and her fetus died. She will be in jail for a year on March 14. If convicted (no, she hasn't had a trial yet), she faces 45-65 years in prison.…
Posted by Barbara on March 9, 2012 at 12:43 PM · Report this
BrotherBob 48
dan, I am so proud of you for not screaming "I told you so!" at all the straights out there, especially the women. These folks are not gay-haters, they are non-patriarch haters!

So, if you could just lip synch your own words to this video, please:
Posted by BrotherBob on March 9, 2012 at 6:17 PM · Report this
I did a little more research on this, because I wasn't hearing anything about it from Planned Parenthood, and you know they'd be all over it. This article is somewhat misleading.

The legal language can be found here:…

The bill does not permit doctors to intentionally withhold information, or to be grossly negligent. A nice way of reading it is that the doctor can't be sued if he/she unintentionally makes a mistake or read an ultrasound incorrectly, etc.

Of course, interpretation is 9/10ths of the law, and this can be interpreted a variety of ways. And the war against women goes on.
Posted by sluttysnobbyelitist on March 10, 2012 at 6:35 AM · Report this
@49, I read it a little differently. Doctors can withhold information, they just can't be sued on the claim that somebody "would not or should not have been born."
So they're liable for all damage to the pregnant person still, which is good. Dan, this makes your quote inaccurate.
Not saying it's a good bill, just that it's not as bad as it's being described as, and accuracy will help us win.
Posted by Calcaneum on March 10, 2012 at 5:38 PM · Report this
Irrespective of what this insane piece of legislation says, wouldn't a doctor who actually did this be struck off by the Medical Board, or whatever equivalent you guys have over there? The fact that they couldn't be sued for it still would not make it ethical, right?
Posted by Fishface on March 11, 2012 at 5:45 AM · Report this

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