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Thursday, February 23, 2012

For-Profit Universities: The Unfettered Free Market at Work

Posted by on Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Enrollment at for-profit colleges and universities has boomed over the past few decades, skyrocketing from 18,333 in 1970 to 1.85 million in 2009. Over the past decade alone, the percentage of college students attending for-profit schools has almost tripled, from 5 percent in 2001, to 13 percent today.

So, how are these for-profit schools doing, most of which are significantly more expensive than their public university counterparts? According to a new study, not so well:

Students who attend for-profit colleges are less likely to be employed and have lower earnings six years after enrolling than similar students who attend public and not-for-profit colleges, according to a new study by authors affiliated with the Center for Analysis of Postsecondary Education and Employment (CAPSEE). They also carry heavier debt burdens and are more likely to default on their student loans.

And yes, the survey was controlled to account for demographic differences such as age, income, and ethnicity. For-profit students simply have poorer outcomes and report less satisfaction with their educations, than public and not-for-profit students of similar circumstances and backgrounds.

How could this be? If the market always makes the most efficient allocation of resources, and the private sector always outperforms the public, how is it possible that for-profit universities don't out perform their public university counterparts? If you're a free marketeer, clearly the problem must be the dangerous market-distorting impacting of taxpayer-subsidized public universities. Simply eliminate government funding for our public college and university systems (as we are wisely on our the way to doing here in Washington state), the uber-capitalists might argue, and the market will fix itself.

Or something.

Though, of course, not all government subsidies. While for-profits enroll only 13 percent of our nation's college and universities students, they now consume 26 percent of federal financial aid and 24 percent of GI Bill tuition expenditures—over $1 billion in GI Bill money to eight for-profits alone. Indeed, in 2009, combined federal money accounted for an astounding 91.5 percent of revenue for Kaplan Higher Education (a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Washington Post).

So no, we would want to eliminate all that federal student loan and grant money. I mean, we wouldn't want to destroy all those valuable private sector jobs.

So what explains the extraordinary growth of the for-profit higher education industry when it produces substantially poorer outcomes at a substantially higher price than its public college and university counterparts? Well, they advertise like hell. That's gotta play a role.

But so too must our shortsighted disinvestment in our public college and university system. For example, Washington now stands 48th out 50 states in baccalaureate capacity, annually producing less than half the four-year degrees necessary to meet the needs of our state's employers. So some students must surely choose for-profit institutions simply because the lack of capacity at public ones leaves them no other choice.

And if there's one thing the market inarguably does well, it is generating supply to meet demand... however shoddy the final product.

 

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Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 1

You should read "Bad Samaritans"

http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Samaritans-Sec…

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://yrihf.com on February 23, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Fnarf 2
For-profit diploma mills (they do not deserve the title "universities") are almost entirely bullcrap designed specifically to suck money out of the federal government, with the students an afterthought or not a thought at all. Kaplan, Phoenix, DeVry, they're all pure unadulterated evil.

Stupidly, the jobs crisis in this country is mostly a training crisis. The reason people fight over a handful shitty jobs at Walmart while good-paying jobs are going begging next door is because the people don't have the skills. Did you read the recent report about manufacturing jobs in the Rust Belt? There are something like 600,000 industrial jobs -- good jobs, machinists and the like -- going begging because there's no one with the skills they need. That's a huge, huge opportunity to turn around a struggling part of the country. But there's no training program; all the money goes to these bogus private schools.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on February 23, 2012 at 4:03 PM
bleedingheartlibertarian 3
I think an honest free market purist would not look at this and argue that for-profit colleges are an example of the free market at work. They'd point out that a free market in education doesn't currently exist, precisely because of the high level of subsidies that do exist, both in the obvious ways (i.e., public universities, etc.) and in the less obvious ways (subsidized financial aid, GI Bill, etc.)

Put another way: if I wanted to advocate for a more free market-based approach to education, I wouldn't be putting up the for-profit colleges that we have as an example of how to do it. And for the exact same reason, using them as an example of how any market based education system is doomed to failure is a bit of a straw man.
Posted by bleedingheartlibertarian on February 23, 2012 at 4:05 PM
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I encounter those graduates of for profit colleges on a regular basis: they graduate to discover their "degrees" are worth next-to-nothing.

Either no job, or in such a low-paying job (with no probability of growth), that their grants or loans were wasted.

My brother is training for a second career in sonography. A friend who works in ultrasound warned us that not only would the for-profit college version cost about three times more than the same courses at the local community college, the for-profit version fell far short of the training, and experience, offered at the community college.

And employers were well aware of that difference

He'd come out of the community college Sonography degree with certification, and an internship at a local facility, that would connect him to that employer, for one.

Meanwhile, the for-profit student might not have either certification or real world experience after paying out $30,000 or more for a half-assed "education."

Posted by judybrowni on February 23, 2012 at 4:09 PM
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One correction: The Washington Post has been a subsidiary of Kaplan for years.
Posted by SoSea Resident on February 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM
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Did a quick check, a non-profit college degree in Sonography course, which takes 21 months.

While the for-profit was offering a suspiciously short 14 months of training.

You be the judge.
Posted by judybrowni on February 23, 2012 at 4:20 PM
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Gotta love their ads though!!

"Girl, watchu doin' sittin' at home, 2 babies, no daddies, dead end job…do what I did, get to Everett!"

Who wudda thunk that would work out poorly.

But agree. Student loans, like home loans, should only be given to the worthy, ie. credit worthy, who will pay them back. 

So girl, use a condom next time.
Posted by Get a degree in condom use on February 23, 2012 at 4:21 PM
gloomy gus 8
@5, the paper and Kaplan are both subsidiaries themselves, of the Washington Post Company, run by a grandson of the paper's founder.
Posted by gloomy gus on February 23, 2012 at 4:25 PM
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@3: This is a bit like Communists who argue that critiques of real-world Communism are invalid because "true" Communism has never been tried; If we may not legitimately consider the existing examples of for-profit higher education when evaluating claims that the Free Market can better provide those services, where are we to look for our comparisons? Are we supposed to compare the outcomes of Publicly funded education only with the wholly imaginary outcomes of some theoretical Utopian Free Market education system?
Posted by Proteus on February 23, 2012 at 4:26 PM
bleedingheartlibertarian 10
@9--Fair point.

I guess my point (perhaps poorly made) was that the free marketers I know would be in complete agreement with Goldy that subsidies to the for-profits are bad. But I (and they) see that as at least as much of a problem with the subsidies themselves as it is with market-based education per se.
Posted by bleedingheartlibertarian on February 23, 2012 at 4:37 PM
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@9 But maybe this isn't the most salient example of free market capitalism at work. It just does not seem like an apples to apples comparison when looking at public universities and for-profit educational institutions. They tend to differ in both the number and types of degrees offered and the medium in which they are offered (classroom vs online or some kind of hybrid is one example). For-profit institutions provide a service for people who don't have any other options to seek an education because they either already have a job and can't afford to quit and go back to school.

I do think the for-profit colleges need to be regulated. Wasn't there a bill that was going to limit federal money going to for-profit colleges based on the outcomes? That is, if your school only signs away the student loan check and never cares about the rigor of the education or the ability of students to get jobs after graduation, then maybe you don't get the check anymore.
Posted by shaneleopard on February 23, 2012 at 4:44 PM
BLUE 12
The market distortion is government backed student loans. Duh. C'mon, Goldy, are you really that dim?
Posted by BLUE on February 23, 2012 at 5:51 PM
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@2- agreed.
Meet kids all the time that got "accepted" by the Art Institute of Seattle. It's a freaking racket, from the financial aid(Loans from the Fed) to the mandatory housing they must pay for, renting from the AIS. Sad, because there's art to be taught and art to be learned, but a whole lot more money to be made, and not by the students.
Posted by Up all night on February 23, 2012 at 6:07 PM
Rotten666 14
If you spend all that cash on a program that is not even accredited than you deserve to get fleeced.
Posted by Rotten666 on February 23, 2012 at 6:21 PM
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@14: If you spend all that cash on adulterated milk then you deserve to get fleeced.
Posted by Goldy on February 23, 2012 at 7:02 PM
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Oh bullshit Goldy. Everyone with two brain cells knows what accreditation is. If you choose to go to an unaccredited school, you're doing it for fun. It's not an investment and you have no right to get angry when it doesn't pan out as such.
Posted by Reader01 on February 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM
Rotten666 17
That was a random reply. Are you really comparing people who don't do research and foolishly buy worthless degrees with Chinese children killed by poisoned milk?

Because that would be exceptionally stupid.
Posted by Rotten666 on February 23, 2012 at 8:20 PM
18
Well, if it wasn't for stupid people with 'culinary arts' degrees and $60k in debt from Wahoo Tech, where would Occupy Seattle get fresh meat?
Posted by Pay your debts assholes on February 23, 2012 at 8:50 PM
Knat 19
The fact that they're beholden to no one and can consequently a) make up their industry placement numbers and even their accreditation out of thin air, and b) obfuscate to conceal the truth (possibly including receiving accreditation from their own fake accrediting institutions), might also have something to do with it.

@14: AiS is accredited, but it's still a shit school. In fact, I would argue that accreditation made it worse, at least during my tenure and for several subsequent years.

I was attending the school when they were seeking accreditation, and it made their truly good teachers (ones that worked in the field they taught) leave en masse, because it wasn't worth their time or money to seek a teaching degree while they still worked in their respective industry. Those few that remained were promoted to department heads, because they were they only ones with any clue as to how the classes should be taught. This resulted in a two-fold hit to the quality of the school.

First, teachers who actually knew the industry as it presently was were not there to share that experience. And second, these teachers weren't able to assess students' skills and personalities hands-on, and potentially hire them directly or provide recommendations to industry colleagues who might.

TL;DR: Accreditation isn't a guarantee either.
Posted by Knat on February 23, 2012 at 9:57 PM
Dr_Awesome 20
Those free-market types disgust me. Evil goddamn idiots, even if some of them masquerade as educated folks.

I have an acquaintance who maintains loudly and repeatedly that the solution to education is to allow charter schools & vouchers, then let the wonderful free market kill off underperforming inner-city schools. This, from a person with an MBA in economics.

He lives in Texas. I keep asking him to stay there and keep his stupid ideas down where the rest of the stupid people live.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on February 24, 2012 at 6:18 AM
Rotten666 21
@19 It comes down to this, if you are going to make an investment that can cost in the tens of thousands, you best do your homework. Who it's accredited by, graduation rates, what % of graduates are employed in their degree field, overall reputation, these are just a few things you need to look at before you start signing promissory notes. Yes, some accredited schools are shit, but almost all nonaccredited schools are shit. It is the buyers responsibility to make sure they are getting the best bang for their buck.
Posted by Rotten666 on February 24, 2012 at 6:54 AM
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I don't think for-profit schools always a scam. I know people who have taught and/or studied at the University of Phoenix. I wouldn't describe any of them as great intellectuals, but they'er not leotards. I think a University of Phoenix MBA is generally considered a real degree.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on February 24, 2012 at 8:00 AM
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They may have controlled for age, ethnicity, and income

but (um...) do they control for overall academic ability? Obviously the highest calibur students go to universities and are courted by them...
Posted by fetish on February 24, 2012 at 8:16 AM
Sir Vic 24
@21 - The problem is that people making the choice about what school to attend are, almost by definition, ignorant. (cf. @23) That's why they are seeking an education!

College track high school kids often have parents to help them make the decision, but that isn't really the demographic going to UPX, DeVry, Kaplan, et al. We're talking about young adults with mediocre high school educations. They make a lot of poor decisions, but they are seeking to better themselves. Clearly marking the sharks out for their money not only helps the student, but it fosters higher quality educational opportunities for all.
Posted by Sir Vic on February 24, 2012 at 11:02 AM

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