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Saturday, February 4, 2012

2012 / The Ladies Ron Paul Proposes Useless Medical Procedure If a Woman Is a Victim of "Honest Rape"

Posted by Paul Constant on Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I got so swept up in the glacial pace of the polling that I totally missed this:

On the eve of Saturday's Nevada caucus, Ron Paul sits down with Piers Morgan for a revealing interview, during which the Republican from Texas shares his views on rape and abortion: "If it's an honest rape, that individual should go immediately to the emergency room, I would give them a shot of estrogen."

Ron Paul has always been absolutely terrible on women's rights, but: Seriously? "Honest rape?" Jessica Pieklo asks:

I guess I would start by asking Paul to follow-up on just what exactly constitutes an “honest” rape. What kind of evidence would we need to show a lack of consent? Does a woman need to have signs she resisted? How much resistance counts before a rape goes from being “fraudulent” to being “honest”? Can spousal rape ever be “honest”? What about other forms of familial rape? What exactly is the bright line here?...About that shot of estrogen. What exactly is this shot of estrogen supposed to do? Paul is purportedly an ob/gyn, so he must know a shot of estrogen won’t do a thing to prevent fertilization and implantation. So what’s that shot for?

I’m not sure what is the most dangerous aspect to come from Paul’s statements here: that is platform is built on a criminal disdain of women or as a doctor he doesn’t know his ear from his elbow.

I was going to write, "Ron Paul is the worst Republican candidate when it comes to women's rights." But then I remembered that Rick Santorum exists. It's a tough call! I think this needs to be resolved with a poll:

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Insulting. Ignorant. Scary. Deluded.

Posted by Luisa on February 4, 2012 at 7:51 PM

It is so hard to pick one. It is such a douche canoe convention.

Posted by so much hate on February 4, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Let's please take it as a given that Ron Paul is an enormous douchebag on this subject, and any question as to his douchiness was settled the moment the phrase "honest rape" escaped his pie-hole...

...but that said, (a) it doesn't seem completely unreasonable to assume that he simply misspoke and said "estrogen" instead of "progesterone", and (b) per wikipedia (with all appropriate reservations about that as a source), some emergency contraceptives do in fact contain estrogen, so perhaps that's what he was referring to?

Again, total douchebag, no argument.

Posted by Doctor Memory

on February 4, 2012 at 8:06 PM

I voted Santorum, but it's like asking "who's the worst, Stalin, Mao or Hitler?" They're all awful.

Posted by sirkowski

on February 4, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Saw the Yuzpe Regimen mentioned in a different thread:

The Yuzpe Regimen is a method of emergency contraception using a combination of estrogen and progestogen hormones and started within 72 hours of sexual intercourse. It has been superseded by a progestogen-only hormonal regimen. - wikipedia

Posted by internet_jen on February 4, 2012 at 8:15 PM

What a monster! Of course I didn't actually watch the clip, but I trust Paul Constant's unbiased opinion.

Posted by Spindles on February 4, 2012 at 8:21 PM

high-dose estrogen is a 1960's-era morning-after contraception method.

He's not incorrect, just grossly out-of-date.

Posted by Lack Thereof on February 4, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Ron Paul is worse, because you believe he just doesn't care, and because he's a licensed medical doctor.

Rick Santorum strikes me as someone who is possibly actually a decent, kind man who believes he is doing best, but has a large tumor in part of his brain.

Paul, I think would kill people. Santorum, I think is horribly, horribly misguided, but he hasn't been licensed to do no harm.

Posted by GlennFleishman

on February 4, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I chose Romney. Not because I think he has the worst approach, but because he's going to win the nomination, and thus the other three don't matter. Romney's the only one who has a chance to enact whatever terrible ideas are in his head.

Posted by Cow on February 4, 2012 at 8:50 PM

@7: yeah, that's what I suspected. Given his age and when it was he last actually practiced, it makes sense.

Posted by Doctor Memory

on February 4, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Paul is the worst of the worst, a total and complete charlatan. It is dumbfounding how ardent his supporters are, in the face of growing mountains of evidence of his racist/bigoted/caveman views (nothing against cavemen) and connections.

Posted by Slog Tipper David on February 4, 2012 at 8:56 PM

#9

Like Obamacare which he invented?

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe

on February 4, 2012 at 9:16 PM

I can't take credit for this name, cause I just read it on another blog: Ronulans. Vs. Paulbots. Either works for me.

Posted by Slog Tipper David on February 4, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Oh, Jessica Pieklo is missing the point! Ron Paul says he will give "them" a shot of estrogen! So to be an "honest rape," the woman must forcibly drag the rapist into the emergency room as well so they can both get shots! No doubt the estrogen will cause the rapist to renounce his raping ways.
And Ron is just thinking ahead - once he makes abortion illegal for anything except "honest rape," there will be tons of women with medical conditions lying about their conditions in order to preserve their lives -you wouldn't want that!

Posted by Biologist in the stix on February 4, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Hey look, a lot more people participated in this poll than in several of the Nevada counties for the Republican caucus.

For instance:

Mineral County

Gingrich 39
Romney 37
Paul 15
Santorum 12

And, yes, that's VOTES, not percentages.

Posted by passionate_jus on February 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Unlike notable leftist Whoopi Goldberg's "rape-rape" definition when defending Roman Polanski's anal rape of a 13-year old.

Double standard much?

Posted by delbert on February 4, 2012 at 10:44 PM

@16: Yeah, Whoopi totally got a pass on that one. Feminists, leftists, and thinking people in general all over the world shrugged their shoulders and said "oh well, she voted for Obama so that's okay then."

Oh wait, that's the opposite of what happened, and Whoopi Goldberg is running for president of exactly jack shit. You and her both are cordially invited to take your drooling moral idiocy and pound sand.

Posted by Doctor Memory

on February 4, 2012 at 11:03 PM

A republican. With idiotic women's rights beliefs.

Why are you acting all shocked? This is SOP for them.

Nothing new to see here....

Posted by Urgutha Forka on February 5, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Regardless of his beliefs on them, he wants the voters of each state to choose their state's laws involving it ... that's a win no matter how you spin it.

Posted by KittenKoder

on February 5, 2012 at 10:40 AM

There's no "all of the above" option

Posted by Jyg08 on February 5, 2012 at 10:41 AM

@19,

"State's Rights" is only a win for racists from Alabama and the rest of the former Confederacy.

No amount of "spin" makes putting fundamental rights up for a vote a "win" - that is, unless you're a total dipshit.

Posted by Mr. X on February 5, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Rick Santorum strikes me as someone who is possibly actually a decent, kind man who believes he is doing best, but has a large tumor in part of his brain.

Er, the tumor part is probably the only correct part. This is the guy who'd see the honest rape babies as gifts from God. (And don't forget he's a welfare cheat, claiming residency in PA to get school monies or something like that when he and his family was living in VA.)

Posted by seatackled on February 5, 2012 at 6:13 PM

@21: KK is a libertarian who's on social services. she's poor and fucking hates the poor.

Posted by ignore her, forever on February 5, 2012 at 9:39 PM

I chose Ron Paul, because at least the other yahoos aren't pretending to be in favor of personal liberty.

Posted by keshmeshi on February 6, 2012 at 11:46 AM

@24: The all are. Ron Paul is a Federalist when it suits him, and he doesn't give a fuck if anyone on a state level deprives you of liberty and human rights.

Posted by undead ayn rand on February 7, 2012 at 7:51 AM