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News & ArtsMonday, January 30, 2012
Savage Love SL Letter of the Day: We Found Our Unicorn—But She's Engaged!
Posted by Dan Savage on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:18 PM
We’re a happily married couple who, after a lot of thought and conversations, have decided that we want a threeway with another woman. Through Craigslist, we found a woman who is everything we’re looking for with just one problem: she’s engaged. Her fiance doesn’t know anything about what she’s doing: doesn’t know we exist, doesn’t know that she’s looking, and doesn’t even know she wants a threeway.
We’ve encouraged her to be open with her fiance and see if we could possibly do this without deceiving him, but she says that’s a non-starter. There are no extenuating circumstances; he’s doesn't have an unusually low libido or anything like that. For her, it’s a last chance to do something wild before she gets married, and we’re pretty sure she’s going to have a threeway whether it’s with us or with another couple. But we just don’t think it’s ethical to help her be a cheating POS (after all: we’re not devout Catholics like Callista Gingrich).
Are we making the right ethical call here? We’d really like to fuck this girl (and she’d really like to fuck us), but right now we’re leaning towards telling her that if she can’t do this without reaching some kind of understanding with her fiance, then she can’t do it with us.
We attached a photo in the hope that it will encourage a response. Thanks!
Penny And Marco
P.S. We’re huge fans of your column and your podcast. You’ve made our sex life better, our marriage stronger. So thanks.
My response—and, yes, the picture—after the jump.
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Ah, what a dilemma... and, my God, what a photo:
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.
Honestly, PAM, I'm torn.
If this woman made a monogamous commitment to her fiance—if she took pre-marital vows—then I kindamaybesortamaybe think you shouldn't fuck her. There's the whole being party to deceiving a man you don't know and will likely never meet, of course, and your role in the pain he'll doubtless feel if should discover her pre-marital betrayal. But what about you two? Do you guys want your first big sexual adventure together as a couple tainted your complicity in her betrayal?
But...
If a threeway is something she's determined to do before she marries this guy... and if you're buying her "last chance to do something wild" rationalization (you two are married, PAM, and you're doing something wild)... and if you're convinced that she's just gonna find another couple if you two back out... then I can easily craft a rationalization that allows you two to fuck this girl. It goes like this: She could do a lot worse than you guys, PAM. A couple who wrestled with the sketchy ethical dilemma posed by this situation/unicorn—even if they came down on the side of overlooking 'em/fucking her—is likelier to be careful about protection, both physical and emotional, than, say, a couple of skeezeballs who didn't give it a moment's thought. (Bonus rationalization: maybe having a safe & mind-blowing threeway with you two will convince your unicorn that she can't go through with this marriage if it means no more sexual adventures and you guys will inspire her to either level with her fiance or find herself one who wants marriage and sexual adventures too—you know, just like you guys. Or not.)
All that said, PAM, I'm going to come down on the side of not fucking this girl. Single, unattached, attractive, safe, and sane bi girls are difficult to come by/in—that's why they call them unicorns—but... and I don't wanna mindlessly reinforce subjective beauty ideals here... and looks aren't everything... and I'm sure you two are utterly and completely hideous to some... but... LOOK AT YOU TWO. You're fucking gorgeous, both of you, and I can't imagine that you'll have a hard time finding another, less compromised unicorn for your first threeway.
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A note to my thoughtful readers: When I wrote and asked PAM for their permission to post their photo in my response—which I always do before I post a photo—they wrote back:
Thanks for the reply, and thanks for the compliment! Yes, we’d love to be a SLLOTD, and by all means use the photo. And if you want to let the women of the East Coast—we live in NY and travel a lot—know that we’re looking (we’re on CL and Adult Friend Finder as ”pennyandmarco,” our email address is marcoandpenny@gmail.com), all the better. Unicorns are hard to find!—P&M
Are you a female reader who 1. thinks Penny and Marco are hot, 2. thinks it just wouldn't be right for Penny and Marco to fuck this engaged unicorn, and 3. thinks Penny and Marco are hot? You can help Penny and Marco do the right thing by volunteering to be their unicorn.
1
Dan,
I've never agreed with you soooooo very much as I do right now. Damn! Damn! Damn!
And the ethical stuff too, yup, yup, yup.
I've never agreed with you soooooo very much as I do right now. Damn! Damn! Damn!
And the ethical stuff too, yup, yup, yup.
6
Why do you guys find them attractive? Sure their bodies are gorgeous but they have big black holes instead of faces! Now I'm going to have nightmares...
8
1. They are HAWT.
2. Don't do it! If she's not honest with him about this, what else might she not be honest about with him after they get married?
3. They are HAWT.
I'd love to volunteer, but something tells me I'm not unicorny enough (READ: THEY ARE HAWT)
2. Don't do it! If she's not honest with him about this, what else might she not be honest about with him after they get married?
3. They are HAWT.
I'd love to volunteer, but something tells me I'm not unicorny enough (READ: THEY ARE HAWT)
10
All that said, PAM, I'm going to come down on the side of not fucking this girl.
And with that statement, a little bit of heterosexuality just died.
And with that statement, a little bit of heterosexuality just died.
11
Ethical behavior is the ultimate aphrodisiac. Tell her to clear it with her fiancee first - and get his confirmation - or you'll take your hot threeway magic elsewhere.
12
I'm going to call... well, not necessarily bullshit, but more like: whaaaaaaaaa?
Finding single/available women willing to play with a couple just isn't that hard, and I say that as someone who's pretty clearly nowhere near as hot as either of these two. So I'm a little dubious that these two are so bereft of options for playmates that they seriously need to consider getting involved in a pretty obvious ticking-time-bomb scenario.
If telling her fiance that she's about to have a fling is a nonstarter, well... why is that? He's jealous? He's a cop? He's in the mob? And what information has she decided that you don't need to know?
I mean, yeah, it'll probably be all right. It just seems like you're probably not so hard up for partners that you need to put up with this kind of nonsense.
Finding single/available women willing to play with a couple just isn't that hard, and I say that as someone who's pretty clearly nowhere near as hot as either of these two. So I'm a little dubious that these two are so bereft of options for playmates that they seriously need to consider getting involved in a pretty obvious ticking-time-bomb scenario.
If telling her fiance that she's about to have a fling is a nonstarter, well... why is that? He's jealous? He's a cop? He's in the mob? And what information has she decided that you don't need to know?
I mean, yeah, it'll probably be all right. It just seems like you're probably not so hard up for partners that you need to put up with this kind of nonsense.
14
Nowadays the only real difference between being engaged and married is wearing the white dress.
If your unicorn is willing to cheat now, she'll probably do it later too. Why not set a good example; all the wildlife you want, while in an honest relationship. If she can't live without the fling, then she needs to seriously reexamine what she does have. Like most people, she will eventually find it is best to have a closet that is empty.
Peace.
If your unicorn is willing to cheat now, she'll probably do it later too. Why not set a good example; all the wildlife you want, while in an honest relationship. If she can't live without the fling, then she needs to seriously reexamine what she does have. Like most people, she will eventually find it is best to have a closet that is empty.
Peace.
16
Fuck her if that's what you all (except the husband) want but don't pretend like it's ethical. My partner and I were , I thought, ethically non-monogamous from the get go 9 years ago. Then he started an affair with a married woman who was lying and sneaking around on her husband. I said no. He said too bad. Ugly endings all around. Except maybe for her. If she never got caught then she's probably doing just fine.
17
I'm relieved you told them not to go for it. They'll be fine to find somebody who isn't an uncommunicative liar.
Plus, if she's this terrible at starting a conversation with her fiance, whom she loves, that doesn't bode well for her interest/skill in respecting boundaries or communicating pertinent info with any sex partners.
@7 That makes no sense at all. The victim doesn't cease to exist just because you haven't personally met him.
Plus, if she's this terrible at starting a conversation with her fiance, whom she loves, that doesn't bode well for her interest/skill in respecting boundaries or communicating pertinent info with any sex partners.
@7 That makes no sense at all. The victim doesn't cease to exist just because you haven't personally met him.
18
I've been the unicorn (yes Virginia there IS a Unicorn). You just have to know where to look and how to approach. For me, make me laugh, find a connection. Don't expect anything- we have lots of choices!
Anyways, I agree with Dan, but for a different reason. If there's any doubt with any of the parties, it tends to backfire when you get together (if you get together). That last minute backout is par for the lifestyle.
Open lifestyles should be based in trust and honest. Enjoy!
Anyways, I agree with Dan, but for a different reason. If there's any doubt with any of the parties, it tends to backfire when you get together (if you get together). That last minute backout is par for the lifestyle.
Open lifestyles should be based in trust and honest. Enjoy!
19
Daaaaaaag, he's got bigger titties than she does.
Of course, if people as pretty as them can't find a unicorn, my lady and I are going to have trouble. She's good-looking, but I'm best described as a "big galoot".
(Dan, don't you usually have a rule about not posting emails to avoid potential liabilities?)
Of course, if people as pretty as them can't find a unicorn, my lady and I are going to have trouble. She's good-looking, but I'm best described as a "big galoot".
(Dan, don't you usually have a rule about not posting emails to avoid potential liabilities?)
20
@15
it's a chest asymmetry; whaddyagonnado. perhaps he didn't train correctly. or it could just be the lighting.
it's a chest asymmetry; whaddyagonnado. perhaps he didn't train correctly. or it could just be the lighting.
23
@15, 20: His left arm is at his side, while his right arm is around Penny. This positioning causes his right shoulder to be somewhat further back, pulling the right pectoral into an odd shape and translocating the nipple.
Look past the soft tissue and observe what the bones are doing.
Look past the soft tissue and observe what the bones are doing.
24
This is probably something than can go without saying but the fact that a couple who looks like this can't find a third makes me so happy to not be straight. Best of luck to them and everybody else in their situation.
26
@23, I know, right? It's like they've never seen beef before. Funny the apparent asymmetry would be corrected by having a lady on the other side to put his arm round. Apropos.
27
@19, some women are more into big galoots and less into pretty boys. You don't need everyone to fall for you, just some people.
29
They're just not trying hard enough. I'm not the only gal out there who loves bonin' internet couples. COME ON. Don't fuck this cheating lady, find someone honest, open, and into the same stuff you are. Way worth it.
And yes, y'all are hot.
And yes, y'all are hot.
30
@24 "can't find a third" -- huh? They went on Craigslist, they did find a third. Are you so sure all of your adventures have been with people who weren't keeping any secrets from you or their other partners?
31
@15:
His nipples are uneven, probably because he's flexing his left pec but not his right.
Perhaps I'm just paranoid, but it seems a wee bit ill-advised of them to put their real names out there in such a public forum. "Penny and Marco" is a pretty distinctive combination; together with the photo, it's more than enough to out them to anyone who knows them in real life.
. . . unless, of course, those aren't their names at all, and the "Penny and Marco" aliases are just a clever bit of misdirection. In which case, well played, sir and madam!
My sexual orientation is not so much "bi" as "raging pussysexual dyke," but I think I could make an exception for Penny and Marco. Too bad I'm on the other side of the world (and probably too boi-ish to guest-star as their unicorn).
His nipples are uneven, probably because he's flexing his left pec but not his right.
Perhaps I'm just paranoid, but it seems a wee bit ill-advised of them to put their real names out there in such a public forum. "Penny and Marco" is a pretty distinctive combination; together with the photo, it's more than enough to out them to anyone who knows them in real life.
. . . unless, of course, those aren't their names at all, and the "Penny and Marco" aliases are just a clever bit of misdirection. In which case, well played, sir and madam!
My sexual orientation is not so much "bi" as "raging pussysexual dyke," but I think I could make an exception for Penny and Marco. Too bad I'm on the other side of the world (and probably too boi-ish to guest-star as their unicorn).
32
@19 venomlash: I have been secretly in love with your comments for years and I love a big galoot, if you're even in the Frenchie bit of Canada, look me up ;)
[this is totally 100% serious, and I'd love to meet your gal too]
[this is totally 100% serious, and I'd love to meet your gal too]
33
My husband and I-mid-40's-have found 2 unicorns in less than a year. Try harder.
BTW-hot, hot, hot. If you're ever in Austin...
BTW-hot, hot, hot. If you're ever in Austin...
35
@24: You do have a lot to be happy for, but for the record, nowhere in the letter is it suggested they've had problems finding anyone.
My sense is that heterosexuals who look like this can easily have a sex life that approaches the kind of adventure, variety, and "matter-of-factedness" that so many gay men take for granted.
My sense is that heterosexuals who look like this can easily have a sex life that approaches the kind of adventure, variety, and "matter-of-factedness" that so many gay men take for granted.
37
@35 , Dan, et al on the damn they're hot, so it should be no problem for them to find another unicorn: the majority of people that I know who enjoy a sex life that stretches the boundaries of convention are, at best, ordinary in physical appearance. The most sexually adventurous woman I know (m/f/m, f/f/m, 4 or moresomes, girl on girl, you name it she does it-- I live vicariously through her) would be termed plain if you're feeling generous. I don't care how attractive these people are, personality and sensuality/sexuality go a lot further for me. And so far, they've only talked a good game.
39
Meanwhile, somewhere in New York, is a real couple, named Penny and Mark, who are as upright as upright can be, despite the fact that they are pretty hot.
This shit is going to get them kicked out of church.
This shit is going to get them kicked out of church.
40
Run away from her as fast as you can, destroy all evidence that you ever had any contact with her, and hope that she does the same. You have absolutely no idea of what you are getting yourselves into. What you do know is that she is willing to lie to, deceive, and betray her fiance, which gives you a good idea of her ethical standards. Why should you expect her to be honest with you when she won't be honest with her fiance? You have no clue as to who and what the fiance is, how he will react if/when he finds out, or the risks/dangers involved.
Have you actually met her in person or has all contact been through Craigslist and/or the Internet.
Have you actually met her in person or has all contact been through Craigslist and/or the Internet.
42
sirkowsi: fiance, not husband and I doubt the fiance would/will consider this to be a victimless crime
Karma is a bitch, it does not matter if the victim never knows, you know that you did something harmful to another person.
Karma is a bitch, it does not matter if the victim never knows, you know that you did something harmful to another person.
45
'Penny and Marco' is a 300 pound greasy serial killer.
Go ahead, email and then hook up with "them".....
Go ahead, email and then hook up with "them".....
47
"For her, it’s a last chance to do something wild before she gets married, and we’re pretty sure she’s going to have a threeway whether it’s with us or with another couple."
Last chance? No, just her claimed last time. She will have a chance every moment of her life, even after marriage.
Chances she will no doubt take full advantage of. She is not going to become an honest wife any more than she was an honest fiance. Oh, and anyone thinking of joining the priesthood or the GOP, to help take away the gay? Yeah, much like this chick getting married, those plans don't wash out the lust either, m'kay?
Fucking own it, people; and quit bringing unsuspecting people into it.
Last chance? No, just her claimed last time. She will have a chance every moment of her life, even after marriage.
Chances she will no doubt take full advantage of. She is not going to become an honest wife any more than she was an honest fiance. Oh, and anyone thinking of joining the priesthood or the GOP, to help take away the gay? Yeah, much like this chick getting married, those plans don't wash out the lust either, m'kay?
Fucking own it, people; and quit bringing unsuspecting people into it.
48
Damn, if Penny and Marco can't find a unicorn in NY or the greater northeast, what hope do any of us have in a boondock like Seattle?
50
They're on CL and AFF... That's the biggest problem I see in their finding hot unicorns. Go hunt down the decent swinger/"lifestyle" sites, P&M!! Or at least OKC, for goodness sake...
53
Yeah, I feel sorry for the guy this potential third is about to marry. She'll never be faithful if she isn't now.
Also, Dan's advice to not eff her is smart, especially if you follow his own logic: he says they're a good couple who, due to their ethicalness* and concern for the fiancee, are more likely to be safe about protection and comfort zones. So could it be deduced that, due to her willingness to lie to her fiancee and then rationalize it, could be more likely to be unsafe? Hell, she'll lie her ass off to someone she's about to commit her life to; what does she owe Penny & Marco?
@47, agreed. You have to accept and acknowledge who you are and admit your true self to those it may affect. Let them sort out whether or not they want to be a part of your life. Too many people hope that somehow they'll transform after a wedding takes place, they're certified ordained, or they take on a super masculine job. As we all know, it doesn't work that way.
*just learned it's a word!
Also, Dan's advice to not eff her is smart, especially if you follow his own logic: he says they're a good couple who, due to their ethicalness* and concern for the fiancee, are more likely to be safe about protection and comfort zones. So could it be deduced that, due to her willingness to lie to her fiancee and then rationalize it, could be more likely to be unsafe? Hell, she'll lie her ass off to someone she's about to commit her life to; what does she owe Penny & Marco?
@47, agreed. You have to accept and acknowledge who you are and admit your true self to those it may affect. Let them sort out whether or not they want to be a part of your life. Too many people hope that somehow they'll transform after a wedding takes place, they're certified ordained, or they take on a super masculine job. As we all know, it doesn't work that way.
*just learned it's a word!
54
@15 for heavens sake his nipples aren't unneven, his right arm is drawn back (around his wifes waist) making his pectoral muscle stretch back while the other arm hangs loose, relaxing the left pectoral muscle making it hang loose on his chest.
Also... magadddd, I mean I guess his wife has a beautiful body but I'm staring on the right hand side. (this should be like a "are you gay" test where some small camera tracks your vision across the image)
Also... magadddd, I mean I guess his wife has a beautiful body but I'm staring on the right hand side. (this should be like a "are you gay" test where some small camera tracks your vision across the image)
56
Yes, Dan, God Bless You. When P Bennie keels over, I hope they select YOU -and everything you come with- to head the Holy See.
Keep up the good work, especially when I send you an identical add looking for a unicorn in Seattle.
Keep up the good work, especially when I send you an identical add looking for a unicorn in Seattle.
57
@32: o_0
@43: *galoot brofist*
@52: "Mmm, yes, don't use me. Treat me like you respect me for who I am as a human being." <-- hottest thing imaginable, amirite?
@43: *galoot brofist*
@52: "Mmm, yes, don't use me. Treat me like you respect me for who I am as a human being." <-- hottest thing imaginable, amirite?
58
As a bi lady of the somewhat soft-bodied variety, let me just say I need to go work out now. For like, a year. Maybe 2.
Penny & Marco: Don't schtup this girl. I promise you, your inbox will be flooded with more unicorns than you thought possible. Let this one go. She is a "choose your own adventure" that will end badly. No need to involve your fine selves with it.
& someone upthread mentioned something important: yeah, the gorgeous bodies are gorgeous. But open-minded-ness, sensuality, warmth & brains count for a lot, too.
Penny & Marco: Don't schtup this girl. I promise you, your inbox will be flooded with more unicorns than you thought possible. Let this one go. She is a "choose your own adventure" that will end badly. No need to involve your fine selves with it.
& someone upthread mentioned something important: yeah, the gorgeous bodies are gorgeous. But open-minded-ness, sensuality, warmth & brains count for a lot, too.
59
Not that Penny & Marco don't have those qualities! Geez, I'm jealous. They're SO buff.
I just re-read: first threesome? Definitely find someone else. & you will.
I just re-read: first threesome? Definitely find someone else. & you will.
60
It might just be that they've never actually had to look for more than two seconds to find someone who wants to fuck them before, so actually having to put some effort into it is completely foreign to them. 'Cause they're hot, see? Anyway, problem solved. Smart way to save themselves the work.
61
The wife is looking for a way out.
Next time it's going to be, "she has to be single and a Sagittarius"
Next time it's going to be, "she has to be single and a Sagittarius"
62
The photo scarcely matters. @37 catballou nailed it:
It strains credibility that you have any serious problem finding someone who is available for ethical sex. Do you just want what you want or do you really care about what kind of people you are?
I don't care how attractive these people are, personality and sensuality/sexuality go a lot further for me. And so far, they've only talked a good game.I'd also recommend looking elsewhere if CL and AFF aren't working for you. OKC perhaps?
It strains credibility that you have any serious problem finding someone who is available for ethical sex. Do you just want what you want or do you really care about what kind of people you are?
64
ps. This is the oldest trick in the book - go through the motions of wanting an FFM threesome, yet set up impossible conditions. She gets to appear adventurous and GGG, but doesn't have to ever go through with it.
In case I'm not correct, consider the following rationalization:
This unicorn wants a wild time before marriage. You're helping her have a better marriage by fulfilling something she feels she needs to do before.
In case I'm not correct, consider the following rationalization:
This unicorn wants a wild time before marriage. You're helping her have a better marriage by fulfilling something she feels she needs to do before.
65
Am I the only one who deeply suspects Penny and Marco of (a) being like the pretty girl who goes trawling for compliments by making BS comments about how ugly she is, and (b) using Savage Love as a big ol' marketing ploy for themselves?
66
@61 and @64:
There's a lot of it about, I agree. But a baseline of "third shouldn't be a CPOS" isn't at all unreasonable or unwise.
There's a lot of it about, I agree. But a baseline of "third shouldn't be a CPOS" isn't at all unreasonable or unwise.
67
@58, seconded on the "I need to spend the next year, at least, in the gym and nowhere but the gym". Sheesh.
I also agree with the comment that if your unicorn isn't telling her fiance about her threesome with you, there's a good chance she's not telling you something equally important. Go find someone else.
I also agree with the comment that if your unicorn isn't telling her fiance about her threesome with you, there's a good chance she's not telling you something equally important. Go find someone else.
69
@52 &57, I'd agree with #11. It's sort of the flip side of "Don't date crazy." Knowing that your partner (or potential partner) has rules and follows them is pretty cool. It means you can trust them.
Example: Met my girlfriend a few years ago at a party. We got on fairly well, and she moved in to kiss me--but I had to duck it, because my agreement with my partner did not allow for kissing someone else without prior discussion. Hearing this piqued my girlfriend's interest enough so that, well, she became my girlfriend.
Yes, yes, anecdata.
Example: Met my girlfriend a few years ago at a party. We got on fairly well, and she moved in to kiss me--but I had to duck it, because my agreement with my partner did not allow for kissing someone else without prior discussion. Hearing this piqued my girlfriend's interest enough so that, well, she became my girlfriend.
Yes, yes, anecdata.
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don't worry, clashfan @69. "anecdata" is one of those pejoratives flung around when your experience bumps up against somebody who seeks to deny that experience. If the experience matches their biases it ceases to be "anecdata" and becomes "life experience" or some other such touchy-feely verbiage.
73
Not just great advice but wildly entertaining advice! It's great that people had a fun problem, for a change.
74
Penny and Marco? For some reason, the moment I heard that I thought of the Penny from The Big Bang Theory. (I always thought she should try a foursome with Leonard, Raj and Howard -- or at least a threesome with Leonard and Raj if she thinks Howard is too bad.)
Alas, I have to agree with Dan and the others who say it doesn't feel right to have a unicorn who is already half-committed and doesn't want to tell her fiancé about it. The ethical thing would be to look for another one, or at least to convince this one to talk to her fiancé.
Having said that... it would be really a pity. Damn! I'd say this is a situation in which I wouldn't blame any of them if they decided to do something they might later regret.
Alas, I have to agree with Dan and the others who say it doesn't feel right to have a unicorn who is already half-committed and doesn't want to tell her fiancé about it. The ethical thing would be to look for another one, or at least to convince this one to talk to her fiancé.
Having said that... it would be really a pity. Damn! I'd say this is a situation in which I wouldn't blame any of them if they decided to do something they might later regret.
75
I volunteer! And I'm single without any complicating commitments.
Unfortunately, I'm a mid-40s gay man carrying an extra 30 pounds. And I have zero interest in women. But I'll do whatever they want with Penny if I also get to enjoy Marco.
Unfortunately, I'm a mid-40s gay man carrying an extra 30 pounds. And I have zero interest in women. But I'll do whatever they want with Penny if I also get to enjoy Marco.
76
Good lord. That photo. Oh my. If I were not currently attached and a poor student in Canada, I would love to be their unicorn. I don't think they'd have any trouble even just picking up a bicurious/bisexual woman at a bar. They are fucking beautiful and should have no problem lassoing another unicorn.
77
Dishonesty and deceit is no way to begin a marriage. And one of my rules is never to play with anyone whose partner might later show up on my doorstep with a baseball bat because they found out - partners have to know up front and be okay with it. Life has enough trauma.
78
Those of you who think it's so easy to find a third when you look like Penny and Marco might consider that they look like they could be pretty young. This may seem strange, but young women are mostly very conservative about what they're willing to do- OKCupid has shown this with data on their blog. Also, when they look like that, I wouldn't be surprised if they had very high standards in terms of looks as well, and someone as good-looking as them, in their own age range, and willing to do a threesome with them might actually be very difficult to find. I say this as a hot bi girl who's wanted to be a third and has been approached by many couples who I personally considered uncomfortably older than me.
79
@78
Having high standards is another way of saying that you have no trouble finding candidates. That they aren't good enough for you is a problem you've created for yourself and is therefore simple to fix. (I don't mean you personally)
Having high standards is another way of saying that you have no trouble finding candidates. That they aren't good enough for you is a problem you've created for yourself and is therefore simple to fix. (I don't mean you personally)
80
What's wrong with all of you? It's totally obvious to me that he's got pectoral, deltoid, trapezius, intercostal, rectus abdominis and biceps-vein implants. But nothing for the forearms. He probably uses wrist straps. For his, uh, implants.
81
Come on, this is no accident.
I think these two are just horny opportunists, using Dan's column to get more action.
Go get 'em, you horny tigers.
How many adult websites are they on? AND they posted their direct email?
"and by all means use the photo. And if you want to let the women of the East Coast—we live in NY and travel a lot—know that we’re looking (we’re on CL and Adult Friend Finder as ”pennyandmarco,” our email address is marcoandpenny@gmail.com), all the better."
I think these two are just horny opportunists, using Dan's column to get more action.
Go get 'em, you horny tigers.
How many adult websites are they on? AND they posted their direct email?
"and by all means use the photo. And if you want to let the women of the East Coast—we live in NY and travel a lot—know that we’re looking (we’re on CL and Adult Friend Finder as ”pennyandmarco,” our email address is marcoandpenny@gmail.com), all the better."
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Well, I would totally be their unicorn (and I'm in and out of NYC regularly) but I think I'm probably too old for them and not hot enough.
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Am I the only one who doesn't think they are hot? They arent ugly true, but do nothing for me. Hmm.
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