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2012 Mormons are the Niggers of America
Posted by Charles Mudede on Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:22 AM
A survey of adherents to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) released on Thursday found that almost half of Mormons in the US considered themselves more discriminated against than African Americans.So it's harder for regular white Americans to elect a regular white Mormon than a black American with an Islamic-sounding name?According to the research by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, suspicion spills over to political life with 32% of Mormons believing that Romney's religion will count against him in a presidential election. A little more than half say US voters will accept a Mormon in the White House.
While 97% of Mormons regard themselves as Christians, large numbers of other Americans do not because of the church's origins and some of its practices, including a belief that its present leader is a prophet from God.
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One small mistake there. It is harder for Republicans - while "white" may be a good descriptor, "regular" is not.
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I'd shed a tear for the mormons who feel more persecuted than blacks if those mormons hadn't excluded blacks from their clubhouse until 1978.
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damn Danny- bummer about the Canadian (non)"marriage"...
looks like SeattleBlues was right after all.....
looks like SeattleBlues was right after all.....
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I'm not surprised. Th victim mentality was a huge part of the Mormon indoctrination I experienced as a child. You hear over and over again about how the Mormons were sooooo persecuted in the 1800s and how misunderstood thy have always been.
And the church has whitewashed its own history in race do much that beliefs like this are not hard to fathom.
And the church has whitewashed its own history in race do much that beliefs like this are not hard to fathom.
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Is it because race is in your genes but god is in your head?
Your race is dictated, but you chose your religion. Someone who chooses magic underpants and the tenants of a young, weird, made up cult-come-religion may not have the discriminating thought process we’d want in someone who wields so much power.
Of course, if the tenants he holds are from an ancient, weird, made up cult-come-religion, he’s our guy.
Your race is dictated, but you chose your religion. Someone who chooses magic underpants and the tenants of a young, weird, made up cult-come-religion may not have the discriminating thought process we’d want in someone who wields so much power.
Of course, if the tenants he holds are from an ancient, weird, made up cult-come-religion, he’s our guy.
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I'd vote for a white mormon but I'm still ironing out this irrational bias against republicans, hypocrites and bigots so this particular white mormon is so far a no go.
Hey Mormon Party! Run a black feminist! I'm really trying to like you.
Hey Mormon Party! Run a black feminist! I'm really trying to like you.
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Except you can stop being a mormon in around 4 seconds. Cause it's a choice, they're not born that way.
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Not wanting a crazy asshole who happens to be Mormon in office is not the same as not wanting a Mormon in office. He doesn't get to cry discrimination.
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Maybe people (some people, anyway) distrust them not because of their religious beliefs but because of their politics.
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Mormonism isn't any crazier than any other religion. Nor is it any less crazy. We need leaders connected to reality. That's where the problem lies.
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The Troll warned Danny that if he was such a fucking hypocrite about polygamy God would take away his "marriage".......
The Troll warned Danny that if he was such a fucking hypocrite about polygamy God would take away his "marriage".......
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Good Morning Charles,
Clearly, you're channeling John Lennon (title of the post).
I take results of those kind of surveys with a grain of salt. If correct, I'm unsure as to why they would feel that way. Obviously, they were not persecuted the way African-Americans were. They were largely a separatist cult prior to the end of the 19th century (they settled in Deseret now Utah, their equivalent Promised Land). Now, they are quite mainstream and pretty much reside in every state. Mormons have been elected at the Senate level and have governed a few states. So, I don't see any reason for their paranoia if it is indeed true.
Clearly, you're channeling John Lennon (title of the post).
I take results of those kind of surveys with a grain of salt. If correct, I'm unsure as to why they would feel that way. Obviously, they were not persecuted the way African-Americans were. They were largely a separatist cult prior to the end of the 19th century (they settled in Deseret now Utah, their equivalent Promised Land). Now, they are quite mainstream and pretty much reside in every state. Mormons have been elected at the Senate level and have governed a few states. So, I don't see any reason for their paranoia if it is indeed true.
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My goodness! I had no idea that Mormons suffered so much. I am shocked and appalled at how our nation continues to oppress white assholes who want to ban abortion and take away gay rights.
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Inbreeding ---> logic fail.
Any proof that the Stranger was initially founded by King Strang, The King of Beaver Island
Any proof that the Stranger was initially founded by King Strang, The King of Beaver Island
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@16: mormonism is demonstrably crazier than buddhism.
i do not want a mormon believer as president. ever. a jackmormon is fine.
i do not want a mormon believer as president. ever. a jackmormon is fine.
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@16 Obama is a devout Christian, and he hasn't given us any reason to doubt that he's not a devout Christian, yet you still openly and vocally support him, Vince.
It's harder for Americans to vote for a Mormon, period. Whether or not Mormons see themselves as "Christian", no one else does, and while we were able to elect a black Christian with an Islamic-sounding name in 2008, he's still a Christian.
Outside of our atheist bubble, this stuff really matters to people.
It's harder for Americans to vote for a Mormon, period. Whether or not Mormons see themselves as "Christian", no one else does, and while we were able to elect a black Christian with an Islamic-sounding name in 2008, he's still a Christian.
Outside of our atheist bubble, this stuff really matters to people.
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Hmm, see, Mormons want the best of both worlds: an insular community of homogeneity AND power in the mainstream. But you can't have both. Sorry!
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It wouldn't have anything to do with the extreme bigotry and misogyny of the religious class they represent, and mainstream America rebelling against Mormons, Catholics, and Evangelicals, no...
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I have a slew of Mormon relatives residing in a very Mormon area just north of "the place".
They're sqauwking like stuck pigs lately. They love the war on Christmas stuff, and they are fully outfitted for the war on Christianity. They're all crazier 'n a rabid racoon, and armed to the teeth, for sure. If there's a brownshirt vein in the US itching for some cultural cleansing, this could very well assay out.
They're sqauwking like stuck pigs lately. They love the war on Christmas stuff, and they are fully outfitted for the war on Christianity. They're all crazier 'n a rabid racoon, and armed to the teeth, for sure. If there's a brownshirt vein in the US itching for some cultural cleansing, this could very well assay out.
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Sure, store security officers follow Mormon teenagers around every time they walk into a shopping mall. Women run to the other side of the street if they see a Mormon walking towards them. Cabs refuse to pick them up on the street. They are 90% more likely to be incarcerated for minor crimes. Poor Mormons.
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#25 say's it all.
My family is Mormon. In fact I'm directly related to some of the biggest old time Mo's in the biz. Though my immediate family is is considered Jack Mormon. We are non-practicing. Actually we are heathens entirely. But I digress.
All this crying discrimination would be hilarious if it wasn't a deeply held belief among Mormons. They really do believe it. It's a regular theme. Like the war on Christmas.
This even though Mormons tend to be higher educated than the average with 6 in 10 going to college. And they are more likely to be more "upper middle class" than average - with 38% earning between $50 and 100K per year.
Compare that to black people in America. Yeah. Us poor Mormons are really getting the shaft. What with our longer life expectancies, higher educations, stable families, and better incomes. Why won't somebody think of us!
Let me lay some more Mo facts on you all:
They literally do enclave them selves (for fuck sake they tried to succeed a couple times) in a huge well kept graffiti free compound called Utah. Nearly 15% of ALL Mormons live in Utah - who make up nearly 60% of that states population
It is no longer the US religion though. Over half of all Mormons don't even live in the US - though less than 3% of all Mormons in the US are black. So they do go out into the world. And they do help people in need in the third world countries where nobody else gives a shit. But they insist on bringing their culture with them and doing a pretty hard sell.
(http://www.pewforum.org/Christian/Mormon…)
Anyway. It is a different religion than the other Abrahamic faiths in several important ways. Most importantly is that it's genesis occurred with in a reliable recent historical record. And most of it's fundamental tenants are thus provably bullshit. And this fact leaves most Mormons in a constant state of defensive cognitive dissonance - and unlike other religions - they are aware they are in this state. That's why they want - they NEED - a president.
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My family is Mormon. In fact I'm directly related to some of the biggest old time Mo's in the biz. Though my immediate family is is considered Jack Mormon. We are non-practicing. Actually we are heathens entirely. But I digress.
All this crying discrimination would be hilarious if it wasn't a deeply held belief among Mormons. They really do believe it. It's a regular theme. Like the war on Christmas.
This even though Mormons tend to be higher educated than the average with 6 in 10 going to college. And they are more likely to be more "upper middle class" than average - with 38% earning between $50 and 100K per year.
Compare that to black people in America. Yeah. Us poor Mormons are really getting the shaft. What with our longer life expectancies, higher educations, stable families, and better incomes. Why won't somebody think of us!
Let me lay some more Mo facts on you all:
They literally do enclave them selves (for fuck sake they tried to succeed a couple times) in a huge well kept graffiti free compound called Utah. Nearly 15% of ALL Mormons live in Utah - who make up nearly 60% of that states population
It is no longer the US religion though. Over half of all Mormons don't even live in the US - though less than 3% of all Mormons in the US are black. So they do go out into the world. And they do help people in need in the third world countries where nobody else gives a shit. But they insist on bringing their culture with them and doing a pretty hard sell.
(http://www.pewforum.org/Christian/Mormon…)
Anyway. It is a different religion than the other Abrahamic faiths in several important ways. Most importantly is that it's genesis occurred with in a reliable recent historical record. And most of it's fundamental tenants are thus provably bullshit. And this fact leaves most Mormons in a constant state of defensive cognitive dissonance - and unlike other religions - they are aware they are in this state. That's why they want - they NEED - a president.
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i got evangelized by a mormon back in the mid 70's before blacks were allowed in the same heaven as white folks. he explained that we were allowed in heaven, but had to go to the one that pigs and chickens and good kittens and obedient dogs went to..
these children believed in separate , but unequal paradise - we couldn't pray our dead mommas and daddies until god told their new leader that we were okay. the old leader had to die before god could desegregate heaven..
but that was in the 70's. i guess now we're ok .
look ! that metro bus has black mormons on it !
these children believed in separate , but unequal paradise - we couldn't pray our dead mommas and daddies until god told their new leader that we were okay. the old leader had to die before god could desegregate heaven..
but that was in the 70's. i guess now we're ok .
look ! that metro bus has black mormons on it !
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"Most importantly is that it's genesis occurred with in a reliable recent historical record. And most of it's fundamental tenants are thus provably bullshit. ..."
So you have Proof that Joseph Smith did not see god?
And this Proof is more certain than the Proof that Jesus did not in fact, rise from the dead, which happened so long ago that you feel you must accept it as fact?
And this Proof is more certain than the Proof that Moses did not see god, which happened so long ago that you feel you must accept it as fact?
And thus god wanted Solomon to live polygamy but you haver Proof that god did not want Brigham Young to live polygamy?
Is that it?
"Most importantly is that it's genesis occurred with in a reliable recent historical record. And most of it's fundamental tenants are thus provably bullshit. ..."
So you have Proof that Joseph Smith did not see god?
And this Proof is more certain than the Proof that Jesus did not in fact, rise from the dead, which happened so long ago that you feel you must accept it as fact?
And this Proof is more certain than the Proof that Moses did not see god, which happened so long ago that you feel you must accept it as fact?
And thus god wanted Solomon to live polygamy but you haver Proof that god did not want Brigham Young to live polygamy?
Is that it?
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riz - no, no, heaven is STILL segregated. You get your OWN planet. That's why they allowed the big change.
Actually back in the day they believed really good black people had the Mark of Cain removed. In other words you got turned white. Isn't that nice of them?
So in effect you were technically always allowed in the big warm Mormon eternal hug. See. No worries.
Actually back in the day they believed really good black people had the Mark of Cain removed. In other words you got turned white. Isn't that nice of them?
So in effect you were technically always allowed in the big warm Mormon eternal hug. See. No worries.
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I have a hard time accepting people who cling to misogynistic faiths and religions as part of their cultural tradition. This is why I am unsuitable for any Diversity Commission. Michelle Obama doesn't wear a headscarf, so I can't see Obama as anywhere near Muslim, but I don't trust people who think the only way women can ascend in the afterlife is through a secret code word given by their husbands in a wedding ceremony. Religious history has always been adding and subtracting things to suit cultural and temporal whims -- when the Mormons dump the men-only Apostles and Elders thing I might like 'em more,.
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@ 34, last summer I went to visit my great uncle for the last time (he was 92 and had cancer he wasn't treating) in Orem, where he lived with one of his daughters who had converted when she was quite young. I had to laugh at the fact that there were so many Mormon churches that they were sometimes literally across the street from one another.
We drove back to Denver via US 40, on a Sunday, and noted that the parking lots of the single churches every tiny town had was full to capacity. You obviously don't get to just go on Christmas Eve and Easter if you want to stay in good standing.
We drove back to Denver via US 40, on a Sunday, and noted that the parking lots of the single churches every tiny town had was full to capacity. You obviously don't get to just go on Christmas Eve and Easter if you want to stay in good standing.
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Why not elect a another cultist...we already have a Scientologist in the White House...or am I just a bad Thetan for saying so...
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@39, damn it. I see that now. That's twice in two days for me. Going to have to stop trying to comment while at work - my mind's not focused.
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Mormons aren't any more Christians than Christians are Jews. Too many of their beliefs are diametrically opposed to Christian belief (and not just because of the prophet thing).
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I mostly just judge Mormonism by how the church acts like a pack of raving patriarchal dickheads. Is "patriarchal dickhead" a race now?
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Romney wants to run as the candidate of the Official Party of Religious Bigots™ , and Mormons can't figure out why it's a tough sell? Southern Baptists don't believe Methodists are getting into heaven. People calling themselves "Latter Day Saints" (translation: heretics) can expect the Evangelicals to view them with the same suspicion normally reserved for Muslims and Wiccans.
You can't just tell fundamentalists your religion is based on an unauthorized sequel to the One True Text and expect them to nod and smile.
You can't just tell fundamentalists your religion is based on an unauthorized sequel to the One True Text and expect them to nod and smile.
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@31: Nah bro, that was just tasteless; the Jews are also a long-persecuted minority in this country. I should have the Jewish Puppet Masters fire you from your job for saying so, except I suspect you're just a sad basement dweller.
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Wah. It's funny that the Mo's are whining about discrimination, because many of them are sure not nice to Gentiles. As a kid, I got to experience the shun-treatment; because I wasn't a Mo I was ignored by the teacher and left out of all the out-of-classroom activities like birthday parties because they were all held at the Ward house. But nothing was worse than a boring Sunday when absolutely NOTHING was open. Eventually one of the movie chains decided they would stay open despite the wrath of the LDS church. Once there was some vandalism done in our neighborhood and the bishop came to our house to accuse my brother and I of doing it - because none of his faithful would have EVER done something like that. He never came back to apologize when it was proven that several middle school boys in his ward had done the damage. Fucker.
Luckily I moved to another state mid-way through elementary school, but my friends who were still in Utah had nothing but horror stories about high school and how they couldn't get on sports teams (controlled by the Mo's), couldn't get into Student Council (the Mo's wouldn't vote for a non-Mo), and in one case a school dance was held at a ward house and Gentiles were told they were not allowed. Granted, this was the 70s and 80s, and in places like Salt Lake it isn't as bad as it once was, but in some of those small towns, good luck getting help/service or even have people to talk to if you don't belong to the one and only church in town. All the new neighborhoods that are built are all built with a brand new church - front and center - so it cannot be missed by those who move in. It's almost like a watchtower, reminding the sheepies that they're being observed...constantly.
Luckily I moved to another state mid-way through elementary school, but my friends who were still in Utah had nothing but horror stories about high school and how they couldn't get on sports teams (controlled by the Mo's), couldn't get into Student Council (the Mo's wouldn't vote for a non-Mo), and in one case a school dance was held at a ward house and Gentiles were told they were not allowed. Granted, this was the 70s and 80s, and in places like Salt Lake it isn't as bad as it once was, but in some of those small towns, good luck getting help/service or even have people to talk to if you don't belong to the one and only church in town. All the new neighborhoods that are built are all built with a brand new church - front and center - so it cannot be missed by those who move in. It's almost like a watchtower, reminding the sheepies that they're being observed...constantly.
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First, some guy claimed that rich = gay. Now mormon = black. Does this mean that Mitt Romeny is an african-american drag queen? I'm so confused!
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Yeah, those freakin' dorks with their buttoned up shirts, ties and cheap dress shoes...always thumping their holy book and popping up on every corner.
Wait, one of them just tried to sell me a bean pie!
Wait, one of them just tried to sell me a bean pie!
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In the 19th century, the Mormons had what historian Ken Verdoia refers to as "isolated Christian socialism." After the Manifesto renouncing plural marriage in 1890, and the shift away from socialism to other forms of economic innovation, the Mormons began to aspire to a more mainstream position in the United States.
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