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News & ArtsSunday, January 8, 2012
Death Gun-Crazy Country: The Story of a Navy SEAL
Posted by Charles Mudede on Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:28 AM
WaPo:
Navy officials have confirmed that a Navy SEAL who accidentally shot himself in the head has died.The date came to an end.
San Diego police were called on Thursday after the accident. Police say [Petty Officer 3rd Class Gene “Geno” Clayont, Jr.] had gone to a bar and brought a woman back to his apartment and was showing her guns when he put a pistol to his head, believing it was unloaded, and pulled the trigger.
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Let that be a lesson to you straight guys. You should be careful when you show your gun off to a girl! You never know when it will go off.
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There was some ridiculously gorgeous TV star back in the 80's who met a similar end. That gun had blanks, and he put it to his head and pulled the trigger, thinking they were like caps or something.
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Don't keep a loaded gun in the crib, and never point it at anyone (including self). Gun rules to live by.
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Good Morning Charles,
The fellow is definitely a Darwin Award winner. Quite unfortunate. I imagine the gal is quite shaken.
Sigh.
The fellow is definitely a Darwin Award winner. Quite unfortunate. I imagine the gal is quite shaken.
Sigh.
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Hey! A military man is dead in a horrific brain splattering incident. Bwahahahahahahahah!!!!!!
Am I as hip as you now you hypocritical vultures?
Am I as hip as you now you hypocritical vultures?
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the NRA and like-minded groups seem to claim that responsible guns are trained and thus all of are fears are unfounded .... well, this Navy SEAL had more training than any civilian gun owner could ever dream of having .. yet a few drinks (i assume) and a rush of testosterone rendered all that training null & void ... making him as stupid as your average thug buying a gun on the street
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@2, who is always short with the data and factual information,
That would be Jon Erik-Hexum, former football player and pretty darn good action actor, whose unfortunate death is commemorated in this Youtube memorial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo26rcuhp…
Another important death reported today, was yet another death by one thousand cuts of privacy:
http://imgur.com/a/8XoGf#0
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/01/08…
More...
That would be Jon Erik-Hexum, former football player and pretty darn good action actor, whose unfortunate death is commemorated in this Youtube memorial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo26rcuhp…
Another important death reported today, was yet another death by one thousand cuts of privacy:
http://imgur.com/a/8XoGf#0
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/01/08…
"In a tweet early this morning, cybersecurity researcher Christopher Soghoian pointed to an internal memo of India's Military Intelligence that has been liberated by hackers and posted on the Net. The memo suggests that, "in exchange for the Indian market presence" mobile device manufacturers, including RIM, Nokia, and Apple (collectively defined in the document as "RINOA") have agreed to provide backdoor access on their devices. The Indian government then "utilized backdoors provided by RINOA" to intercept internal emails of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, a U.S. government body with a mandate to monitor, investigate and report to Congress on 'the national security implications of the bilateral trade and economic relationship' between the U.S. and China. Manan Kakkar, an Indian blogger for ZDNet, has also picked up the story and writes that it may be the fruits of an earlier hack of Symantec. If Apple is providing governments with a backdoor to iOS, can we assume that they have also done so with Mac OS X?"
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@2, who is always short with the data and factual information,
That would be Jon Erik-Hexum, former football player and pretty darn good action actor, whose unfortunate death is commemorated in this Youtube memorial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo26rcuhp…
Another important death reported today, was yet another death by one thousand cuts of privacy:
http://imgur.com/a/8XoGf#0
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/01/08…
A sadly similar death happened some years back, when a KVI fan decided to take a fellow office worker, and evidently a weaker member of the female species, to a Bellevue target range to teach her how to fire a pistol --- unfortunately, the force of firing the weapon whipped her weapon-holding arm back, where she accidentally discharged the pistol into the KVI fan standing immediately behind her. (Gun-toting KVI fans, beware.....)
More...
That would be Jon Erik-Hexum, former football player and pretty darn good action actor, whose unfortunate death is commemorated in this Youtube memorial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo26rcuhp…
Another important death reported today, was yet another death by one thousand cuts of privacy:
http://imgur.com/a/8XoGf#0
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/01/08…
"In a tweet early this morning, cybersecurity researcher Christopher Soghoian pointed to an internal memo of India's Military Intelligence that has been liberated by hackers and posted on the Net. The memo suggests that, "in exchange for the Indian market presence" mobile device manufacturers, including RIM, Nokia, and Apple (collectively defined in the document as "RINOA") have agreed to provide backdoor access on their devices. The Indian government then "utilized backdoors provided by RINOA" to intercept internal emails of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, a U.S. government body with a mandate to monitor, investigate and report to Congress on 'the national security implications of the bilateral trade and economic relationship' between the U.S. and China. Manan Kakkar, an Indian blogger for ZDNet, has also picked up the story and writes that it may be the fruits of an earlier hack of Symantec. If Apple is providing governments with a backdoor to iOS, can we assume that they have also done so with Mac OS X?"
A sadly similar death happened some years back, when a KVI fan decided to take a fellow office worker, and evidently a weaker member of the female species, to a Bellevue target range to teach her how to fire a pistol --- unfortunately, the force of firing the weapon whipped her weapon-holding arm back, where she accidentally discharged the pistol into the KVI fan standing immediately behind her. (Gun-toting KVI fans, beware.....)
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Talk about being insecure about the size of your gun but killing yourself after your date laughs at it really is going over board.
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Oh now, Sgt, don't be bitter. I freely and happily admit that you are my intelectual better when it comes to obscure 80's cultural references. And probably lots of other things.
But you really should try to be more light-hearted, dear. You don't want to turn into one of those dreadful old men that people only visit out of a sense of duty or hope of inheritance. (Although I suppose that won't be an issue in your case. )
But you really should try to be more light-hearted, dear. You don't want to turn into one of those dreadful old men that people only visit out of a sense of duty or hope of inheritance. (Although I suppose that won't be an issue in your case. )
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From now on, no more than 3 drinks when I'm showing my guns off to a date. Unless I'm pretty sure it's unloaded, in that case there is no drink limit. What could go wrong?
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In this day and age is there a way to have a next-generation guns with an external LED light say weather it's loaded or not?
I know most of these 'didn't think it was loaded' gun deaths could be avoided with the very, very simple 'never point a gun at a person' rule. But, ugh, yeah.
I know most of these 'didn't think it was loaded' gun deaths could be avoided with the very, very simple 'never point a gun at a person' rule. But, ugh, yeah.
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...when he put a pistol to his head, believing it was unloaded, and pulled the trigger.
Every time I read about someone thinking a gun was unloaded, it brings back this awful memory...
When I was a teenager, I had a paper route in my neighborhood. One summer evening, while approaching the house of a kid (Scott) in my junior high school, I saw there was an ambulance in front. I found out that another classmate (Randy) had been visiting, Scott was showing him a shotgun that he'd received as birthday gift, he "didn't know it was loaded", and it went off, blasting Randy in the face and killing him. Randy was one of the most popular kids at our school -- a "golden boy", kind of like a young Robert Redford -- and Scott was pretty much ostracized by most kids so he ended up transferring to another school.
Every time I read about someone thinking a gun was unloaded, it brings back this awful memory...
When I was a teenager, I had a paper route in my neighborhood. One summer evening, while approaching the house of a kid (Scott) in my junior high school, I saw there was an ambulance in front. I found out that another classmate (Randy) had been visiting, Scott was showing him a shotgun that he'd received as birthday gift, he "didn't know it was loaded", and it went off, blasting Randy in the face and killing him. Randy was one of the most popular kids at our school -- a "golden boy", kind of like a young Robert Redford -- and Scott was pretty much ostracized by most kids so he ended up transferring to another school.
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#26
Looks like a mechanical indicator exists; however, like safety belt warning systems, people try to disable them:
http://guntalk-online.com/forum/viewtopi…
One person makes the comment...what if the indicator is wrong!
As many have said, the two rules are:
1. Always assume the gun is loaded.
2. Don't point it any anything you do not intend to kill.
Looks like a mechanical indicator exists; however, like safety belt warning systems, people try to disable them:
http://guntalk-online.com/forum/viewtopi…
One person makes the comment...what if the indicator is wrong!
As many have said, the two rules are:
1. Always assume the gun is loaded.
2. Don't point it any anything you do not intend to kill.
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many guns have 'empty' indicators (the old Luger, for example). Many of the gun nuts feel it is bad because then the bad guys will know when you are out of ammo...I'm sure that comes up a lot in these running shootouts with drug dealers and minorities that happen all the time.
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@25
I'll the bait, Bailo. Which streets in Seattle are named after drug dealers? I would love to know.
I'll the bait, Bailo. Which streets in Seattle are named after drug dealers? I would love to know.
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When I read about this several days ago, the article reported that he wanted the woman to hold the gun, but she didn't want to, so he was shooting it at his head to show that it wasn't dangerous.
It was never clear if this was a woman whom he'd just met at the bar, or if he already knew her.
It was never clear if this was a woman whom he'd just met at the bar, or if he already knew her.
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@30
Some guns have loaded chamber indicators, the Walther P99 for example and many others lock back the slide after firing the last round. Regardless the if the indicator says the chamber is empty it should still not be trusted, because if the extractor breaks the gun will read as empty when in fact it is very loaded.
This was an unfortunate incident and underlines the 4 rules of firearms safety:
1) Treat every gun as if it were loaded.
2)Never point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3)Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
4) Identify your target and what is behind it.
And stay away from alcohol/drugs while operating firearms.
Sadly gun safety rules were written in someones blood.
I am sure alcohol played a huge role in this incident but you don't hear Charles yammering about banning booze. Approximately 13,000 Americans die a year from gun related homicides, 75,000 die alcohol related deaths. Think of the children Chuck.
Some guns have loaded chamber indicators, the Walther P99 for example and many others lock back the slide after firing the last round. Regardless the if the indicator says the chamber is empty it should still not be trusted, because if the extractor breaks the gun will read as empty when in fact it is very loaded.
This was an unfortunate incident and underlines the 4 rules of firearms safety:
1) Treat every gun as if it were loaded.
2)Never point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3)Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
4) Identify your target and what is behind it.
And stay away from alcohol/drugs while operating firearms.
Sadly gun safety rules were written in someones blood.
I am sure alcohol played a huge role in this incident but you don't hear Charles yammering about banning booze. Approximately 13,000 Americans die a year from gun related homicides, 75,000 die alcohol related deaths. Think of the children Chuck.
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This kind of cocksure stunt is not out of character for a Seal. They recruit guys with a nasty combination of high IQ, desperate need to prove themselves, and a neurotic desire to take dumb risks.
So if the smarts, insecurity, and thrill-seeking are in the right balance, they do all kinds of cool shit. Tip the scales a little and usually they blow some fingers off with a pipe bomb. Or go splat jumping out of a plane. Or shoot themselves in the head...
So if the smarts, insecurity, and thrill-seeking are in the right balance, they do all kinds of cool shit. Tip the scales a little and usually they blow some fingers off with a pipe bomb. Or go splat jumping out of a plane. Or shoot themselves in the head...
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This is not an occasion for jokes or righteous indignation. A guy, one who rightly should know better and likely after a couple of drinks, did something stupid and now is dead. A woman who witnessed it is likely severely traumatized. A couple of parents are now without their child that they likely loved very much.
Not everything warrants a joke, a callous comment, or political interpretation.
Not everything warrants a joke, a callous comment, or political interpretation.
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Sounds like he forgot which one was for fighting and which was for fun.
R. Lee Emery will fill you in at http://youtu.be/4kU0XCVey_U
R. Lee Emery will fill you in at http://youtu.be/4kU0XCVey_U
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Headline: drunk person falls out of window of high rise building and dies. Charles' headline: Building crazy country: the story of why high rise buildings should be banned.
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The story is short on details. Who knows, he may have done it on purpose. Perhaps he wanted a witness. Life insurance doesn't pay out on suicide but it does on accidental death. He also may have planned on killing the woman as well as himself but relented in her case. Rather a fascinating story actually.
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@33 -yes, I think we are all aware of the rules...just pointing out, as per earlier comments, that indicators have existed for a long time.
@38- Buildings serve purposes other than killing people. Handguns do not.
@38- Buildings serve purposes other than killing people. Handguns do not.
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@38 I never knew that high-rise buildings killed 13,000 people a year in America.
If it's the case, yes, by all means bann them.
If it's the case, yes, by all means bann them.
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You know the current king of Spain ? When they were young, his brother died the same death, in front of his eyes. Truly horrible.
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Sure, but if the guy had some training on gun safety and operation then he would be fine right? Of course, it would be unconstitutional to require someone to have training on how to operate a gun safely before letting them have one.
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Now that this idiot is out of the gene pool, the Marines are back to being the best and the brightest, am I right?
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@38: ANALOGY FAIL. Modern skyscrapers are equipped with windows that open only slightly or not at all to prevent people from falling out.
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I wonder if his mind was able to register the sound of the shell going off before the bullet destroyed his brain. If so, in that short time, was he able to understand that he'd been in error? Probably not, but I can't help but be fascinated by the combination of emotions that someone who has just realized that they are killing themselves must go through between the moment of realization and death.
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@2: Brandon Lee?
@others:
I live in an army town, and I shoot at the local range, and some of the worst cases of negligence are the military guys ... terrible muzzle control (blithely waving loaded, chambered and charged ARs around), ignoring the "hands off yer gun when anyone is downrange" rule, etc. Whenever I see one of these guys show up, I leave. My guess is that they are completely desensitized to the danger, despite all the training.
@others:
I live in an army town, and I shoot at the local range, and some of the worst cases of negligence are the military guys ... terrible muzzle control (blithely waving loaded, chambered and charged ARs around), ignoring the "hands off yer gun when anyone is downrange" rule, etc. Whenever I see one of these guys show up, I leave. My guess is that they are completely desensitized to the danger, despite all the training.
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