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Politics More Evidence That Washington Voters Will Uphold Marriage Equality
Posted by Eli Sanders on Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:24 AM
What will the people of Washington State do if the Washington State Legislature legalizes same sex marriage this session, and then that decision is put up to a popular vote in November 2012?
Matt Barreto of the Washington Poll just took a deeper look at data he gathered a few months ago—when he found 55 percent of Washington voters would uphold same sex marriage rights—and discovered further evidence that the people of Washington State are unlikely to overturn a legislative decision to extend marriage rights to gays and lesbians.
Among the new findings released today: 54% of Independents support same sex marriage; 57% who describe themselves as Moderates support same sex marriage. Among voters age 18-40, 65% support same sex marriage, while among voters age 66 or older, 48% support same sex marriage.
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Here it comes, Seattleblues... It's coming... Coming for your marriage... Your whole way of life is about to crumble before the vast homosexual conspiracy.
Or, more likely, nothing at all will change except for the newly married couples, and people will feel stupid about the fact that it was ever even an issue.
Or, more likely, nothing at all will change except for the newly married couples, and people will feel stupid about the fact that it was ever even an issue.
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What will knuckle draggers and mouth breathers have to complain about when society has finally matured beyond this childish claptrap?
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Of course, it all depends on whether these people actually vote, doesn't it?
The moronic republican base votes because their minister tells them that they will burn in hell if they don't. They have a real, vested interest in it - their supposed afterlife.
If we could get all the normal people to actually show up, and to understand the concept of both nuance and the reality of having to sometimes make the least worst choice, this country would be much better.
The moronic republican base votes because their minister tells them that they will burn in hell if they don't. They have a real, vested interest in it - their supposed afterlife.
If we could get all the normal people to actually show up, and to understand the concept of both nuance and the reality of having to sometimes make the least worst choice, this country would be much better.
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@2 non-Christians, probably. Then again, most of us Christians are terrible Christians:
http://i.imgur.com/5C45g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5C45g.jpg
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#2, 6
This is a salient point because the issue of gay marriage brings in money and votes to both parties.
A big majority swing one way or the other would upset the Balance of Power for them.
This is a salient point because the issue of gay marriage brings in money and votes to both parties.
A big majority swing one way or the other would upset the Balance of Power for them.
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It would be nice if these numbers hold over time. While I have no doubt that numbers continue to increase in favor of marriage equality over time, just look at yesterday's SLOG posts about the Marijuana initiative favorability numbers (dropping about 10% over time). The decrease in support over time is what happened with the poll numbers regarding vote on Prop 8 in CA and the Maine vote numbers from a couple years ago.
Take-home message: don't get complacent. Come out, let people know how important your relationships are, have uncomfortable conversations with people who are tacitly hostile to marriage equality...
Take-home message: don't get complacent. Come out, let people know how important your relationships are, have uncomfortable conversations with people who are tacitly hostile to marriage equality...
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Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.
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Saw my first anti-gay marriage post from an evangelical cousin on FB, threw up in my mouth a little.
Is there a good source of the WA State legal rights that would be extended to gay couples if they could marry? I found this: http://www.arguingequality.org/ but am wondering how Washington stacks up in terms of things like joint-parent adoption, insurance, hospitalization rights, etc. Thanks.
Is there a good source of the WA State legal rights that would be extended to gay couples if they could marry? I found this: http://www.arguingequality.org/ but am wondering how Washington stacks up in terms of things like joint-parent adoption, insurance, hospitalization rights, etc. Thanks.
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Washington State is among the least "church-y" states which is a good thing when it comes to votes on the reasonableness of compassion and actually understanding the concept of the pursuit of happiness. I am disturbed though that it would even be put to the voters to vote yes or no on what I see as a civil rights issue. In the past, interest civil rights for any ethnic minority was not part of the public landscape when those laws were passed. And if it had been left up to a public vote of approval, they likely wouldn't have passed. Why does the majority get to vote on civil rights for a minority? I don't understand the value of that.
As for the religious and what God wants, and all that, I have no use for Christianity. My mom continues to be Catholic, but became Catholic because that was the missionary that ran the boarding school she had to go to. For reasons she only understands, she embraced the religion and continues it to this day in her 80s.
To get married in the Catholic Church (as all churches, they can refuse to marry couples so this law won't change that) you have to attend a series of classes. My dad wasn't raised Catholic, but rather in the Dutch Reform church. He wasn't particularly fond of that or any religion even when they were young.
The priest expressed his concern about them getting married. Was it because he wasn't Catholic? No. It was because my mother is American Indian. Apparently the asshole priest had all sorts of bigoted opinions about my mother that angered my father. They ended up going to a more compassionate priest stationed at McChord.
So my mother did all the right things as far as the assimilationist goals of the stupid Church. She was converted,she went to their damned boarding school, she went to church, she continued to practice as a Christian Catholic and that wasn't fucking enough for those bastards. In the end she still wasn't "right enough."
I imagine that gay and lesbians will never be right enough for any of the so-called Christians. And I'm not for any of them or the people brainwashed by their worthless myths to be in charge of determining whether or not other people unlike them get to have the same civil rights we do to get married and have security.
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As for the religious and what God wants, and all that, I have no use for Christianity. My mom continues to be Catholic, but became Catholic because that was the missionary that ran the boarding school she had to go to. For reasons she only understands, she embraced the religion and continues it to this day in her 80s.
To get married in the Catholic Church (as all churches, they can refuse to marry couples so this law won't change that) you have to attend a series of classes. My dad wasn't raised Catholic, but rather in the Dutch Reform church. He wasn't particularly fond of that or any religion even when they were young.
The priest expressed his concern about them getting married. Was it because he wasn't Catholic? No. It was because my mother is American Indian. Apparently the asshole priest had all sorts of bigoted opinions about my mother that angered my father. They ended up going to a more compassionate priest stationed at McChord.
So my mother did all the right things as far as the assimilationist goals of the stupid Church. She was converted,she went to their damned boarding school, she went to church, she continued to practice as a Christian Catholic and that wasn't fucking enough for those bastards. In the end she still wasn't "right enough."
I imagine that gay and lesbians will never be right enough for any of the so-called Christians. And I'm not for any of them or the people brainwashed by their worthless myths to be in charge of determining whether or not other people unlike them get to have the same civil rights we do to get married and have security.
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@12: Voters get to decide because the Supreme Court hasn't. There's no Loving v. Virginia or Brown v. Board of Education for same-sex marriage, sadly.
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While it is good news that public opinion is shifting on marriage equality, keep in mind that these polls are not being taken on a real issue. When NOM and other opponents of equality start negative advertising the results will change. Fear is a major motivator. That is why even though polls also show voters hate negative advertising it still plays a major roll in every election. (Witness what happened to Newt Gingrich in the last month.)
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