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Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Major Grocery Association Says It Will Support Seattle's Attempt to Ban Plastic Bags (Unlike in 2009)

Posted by on Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:34 PM

The Northwest Grocery Association—which represents the largest grocery chains in Seattle, including Safeway, QFC, and Fred Meyer—tells The Stranger today that it is formally backing the Seattle City Council's proposal to ban plastic shopping bags and charge a five-cent fee for paper bags. That would save roughly 1,000,000 plastic bags per grocery store each year, says NWGA president Joe Gilliam, who represents 600 retail outlets in the Pacific Northwest.

"We support this right now," Gilliam says, and he's prepared to pressure the city council. What if the ordinance is challenged with a ballot referendum? "It's possible that we would contribute to the campaign to uphold the law."

That's a different tune than the NWGA sang two years ago, when it expressed concerns with an ordinance placing a 20-cent tax on all shopping bags. "The Nickels administration was married to this idea a 20-cent bag tax that went to government—that was a nonstarter," says Gilliam. His group stayed "neutral" on that fight "and we all saw the results of it," he says. The American Chemistry Council funded a $1.4 million campaign that ultimately overturned that measure in August 2009.

But this time, Gilliam says, grocery stores like a provision that allows them keep the nickel for each paper bag. That would offset the cost of switching from plastic to paper, which costs the average grocery store about $60,000 a year. "It's a far cry better than the old proposal that went down in flames," he says.

Gilliam believes industry support could allow this measure to stick. "As people see the retail community supports doing the right thing environmentally, and that there is a way to do it without causing the price of groceries to go up, I think that has value."

Winning support from grocers is a political win for Council Member Mike O'Brien, the bill's sponsor, who has been consulting grocers since early summer (an independent grocery group is still opposed).

"There's one thing no one can argue against, and that's the litter problem caused by plastic bags," Gilliam says. To quantify that litter, Gilliam explains that each store in his association use an average of 1,000,000 bags per year. The city estimates that only 13 percent of those bags are recycled.

While Gilliam says he would prefer a statewide bag ban to a city-by-city piecemeal approach (NWGA also supported a similar policy in Bellingham), he adds, "Right now it doesn't look like the legislature is going to take action, so the model that they have in Seattle is a very good one."

 

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Will in Seattle 1
Of course they did.

They realized after they ran the metrics that you can buy veggie-based compostable "plastic" bags for about the same price per metric ton and the only change in operations is you have to seal the roll during shipping.

Logic.

Besides, this allows them to get lots of free PR in ads when they pretend how green they are, even though half of all US global warming emissions is caused by heating and cooling inefficient buildings ... like ... grocery stores which still are very un-green.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 30, 2011 at 4:40 PM
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 2

The average tofu container has enough plastic in it to make 100 plastic grocery bags.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://yrihf.com on November 30, 2011 at 4:55 PM
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Both biodegradable plastic and paper bags could be made from hemp.
Posted by Harry Anslinger on November 30, 2011 at 6:31 PM
Simone 4
2 years ago most probably didn't have $2 bags they could sell to shoppers.
Posted by Simone on November 30, 2011 at 7:33 PM
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brought to you by the paper bag makers of america . didn't we stop using those to save the tree's or some kinda hippie shit like that ? all way's a scam on us the buyers . oly can tax every food item on the shelf so they get in the bag business .
Posted by whatsbeckgottadowithit on November 30, 2011 at 8:39 PM
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This is how they did it up in Bellingham. Let the stores keep the nickel, and they're all for it.
Posted by soundslikepuget on November 30, 2011 at 10:21 PM
MarkyMark 7
The epitome of feel-good pseudo-environmentalism. Its true, ignorance really IS bliss. And yup I bring my own bag most of the time.
Posted by MarkyMark on November 30, 2011 at 10:27 PM
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Annoying, piddly crap like this is why I occasionally vote Republican out of spite even though it's in my interests to always vote Democrat.
Posted by ryanmm on December 1, 2011 at 7:03 AM
monkey 9
The stores are willing to back the ban. Why don't they just stop using plastic bags on their own? It just seems like good policy at this point and I don't understand why a law is necessary when they already support the outcome.
Posted by monkey on December 1, 2011 at 7:34 AM
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I am only guessing here, but perhaps their thinking is that they don't want to be the only ones doing it. Maybe they thinking people will shop at the store across the street because they still let you grab plastic bags. Kind of like how some bars supported similar kinds of smoking bans - they didn't like the smoke either, but the bar next door let you. De facto, so did they. Again, I'm completely guessing here.
Posted by AerosmithNirvana on December 1, 2011 at 8:38 AM
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This law is just plain stupid from the get go. The fiscal note says that the ban will have no financial implications for the city of Seattle, but the bill expressly mandates that the city provide reusable bags to low income families. Who pays for those? And what about enforcement of the ban? Who will be paying for that? And accounting for the paper bag fees? Someone in the city will have to audit stores to see if they are in compliance. Who pays for that?

The City Council based this legislation on "the success of Bellingham's ban". But that ban doesn't take effect until next year... how can the success or failure of that ban even be judged? My guess is that it will be a nightmare to implement.

The lobbyists for Environment Washington are pushing this through using examples like the beached whale found in West Seattle with 20 plastic bags in its belly. In fact, the whale also had sweatpants, surgical gloves, a golf ball, and numerous other foreign objects in its stomach - none of which are facing a ban - and of all the stomach contents, the man made objects made up less than 2% and scientists say that it is highly unlikely that the foreign objects led to the death of the animal.

Grocery stores back this only because they can make a buck. And do you really think they will pass their savings on to customers?

Plastic bags are 100% recyclable and according to the study that Seattle Public Utilities did for the tax a few years back, 91% of Seattle residents reuse or recycle plastic bags! Plastic bags make up less than 1% of litter and less than 1/2% of landfill volume. A ban would have no measurable effect on litter, landfill volume, or pollution. In fact, it may make things worse as people switch to heavier and more polluting paper and are forced to purchase packaged bags for trash can liners, picking up after pets, and containing other waste that paper and reusable can't be used for.

If you oppose the ban, go speak your mind at the Council Hearing on Monday, December 5th at 5pm.
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Posted by Ken Holmes on December 1, 2011 at 11:36 AM
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going down to enact abe simpson yelling at clouds is going to do nothing, less than nothing. The council knows we voted this out in 2009. It does not care. It has the do-gooder mind set that says no matter what the consequences, you will behave according to how I say. Its a thing common in zealots of any political flavor, just what gets them worked up changes depending on politics. Anywho, stock up on the plastic bags if you want trash can liners, dog waste or any other household use, because its pretty clear the juggernauts already rolling to ban free bags at stores. And to anyone that disagrees with me, go to hell and die. My carbon footprints already smaller than yours, you don't know anything about how I live, and whether carrying recyclable bags is an option or isn't. The problem with do gooders is they never care, they only know whats best for you, and they aren't shy at all about forcing it to happen. Like I said, go die.
Posted by certaindoom on December 1, 2011 at 12:41 PM
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The reasoning given for the grocers' change of heart is disingenuous. In the 2009 ban, stores also kept 5cents per bag. In fact, small stores kept all 20cents! The remaining tax helped pay for provisions like giving reusable bags to those who can't afford them.

There must be something else that makes them like it, or they regret not backing last time.

My grocery store takes 5cents off my total for every bag I bring in myself. They've done that for many years. We're already paying for those bags....
Posted by But this one outright bans plastic on December 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM
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@12: I like it: "anyone that disagrees with me, go to hell and die". way to practice your discussion skills. ranting, righteous monologues; the new conversation for the 21st century.
Posted by Becky? What's happening? on December 5, 2011 at 11:17 AM

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