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Wednesday, November 16, 2011

East Precinct Neighbors Criticize City's Petition for Later Bar Hours

Posted by on Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Neighborhood blog Central District News is running an anti-nightlife editorial criticizing the city's plan to petition the state for later liquor serving hours. The only problem is, whoever authored the piece (it's attributed to the "East Precinct Advisory Council," which is a nebulous group of neighbors who regularly share their crime and neighborhood concerns with the Seattle Police department) doesn't seem to know what the skinny fuck they're talking about.

Let's read a highlight together, shall we?

There are those who believe that the trouble that occurs when nightclubs close at 2:00 a.m. can be avoided by staggering closing hours. However, the negative residual issues that could occur with this proposed plan far outweigh any benefits. The extended hours plan will mainly increase liquor revenues to nightclubs—not improve public safety or create a socially responsible drinking environment—or 'a more vibrant nightlife’. It serves the few in the private, special interest (nightclubs) category, not the many residents who would be impacted by noise, DUIs and alcohol-fueled violence.

Really, East Precinct Advisory Council? Police Chief John Diaz (and his command staff) all agree would help alleviate the public brawls and other public safety issues associated with our current system. Furthermore, contrary to the author's hysteria, "[Later bar hours] would be a privilege that's earned by being a good neighbor and model business," says Sgt. Sean Whitcomb, a spokesman for SPD, "not by people engaging in reckless business practices, who have received noise complaints or are associated with violence or over-serving. That wouldn't make sense."

Indeed! More nonsense after the jump!

The editorial then dismisses a citywide survey that found that over 80 percent of residents were in favor of later bar hours, because evidently that doesn't jibe with their anti-nightlife agenda, and proceeds to ask a series of skeptical questions that are clearly designed to attack a plan that hasn't even been developed. "The advisory committee is reacting to a plan that doesn't yet exist," says local nightlife advocate and bar owner Dave Meinert. "It's a bit hysterical and premature."

But what the fuck, let's answer a few of their questions anyway!

If this becomes a pilot program in Seattle, what zone will be chosen?
"Again, there is no specific plan for extended hours right now," says Meinert. "We're not there yet. What we're asking is the state give us permission to pilot these local controls—and when we have that permission, we'll invite everyone to the table to draft that plan."

Will police staffing to monitor and respond to late night drinking and all its problems be at the expense of other citywide public safety needs?
"Right now we face real challenges at 2:00 a.m. from the bar scene and elsewhere," says Whitcomb. "Staggering [closing hours] helps us because the streets are quieter at, say, 4:00 a.m., which means we could actually have more police resources monitoring bars at that time."

How will noise, throughout the night, every night, will be managed? (Note: Seattle has not, to our knowledge, issued a noise violation, despite numerous complaints by residents, the process is very cumbersome)
Maybe the author should read the city's safety initiative (.pdf)?

Do you think young people (who will likely take advantage of extended hours) should be given the choice to have another drink or two or three at say, 4am?
The same laws apply to public intoxication at 4:00 a.m. as they do at 2:00 a.m. or noon. Over-serving is illegal, period (and rhetorical morality is overbearing).

Voicing questions or expressing concerns about this pilot project are great—we've done so on numerous occasions. Spreading misinformation about its intent or effect is not.

 

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COMTE 1
Gah, why do I get the feeling this "neighborhood group" is nothing more than a bunch of 30-somethings formerly from the Eastside, who got suckered into buying overpriced crackerbox condos in the vicinity of Pike/Pine with promises of living in a "vibrant, fast-paced urban setting"?

Guess what? You got what you signed up for...
Posted by COMTE http://www.chriscomte.com on November 16, 2011 at 5:01 PM
jseattle 2
One point of clarification. "running an anti-nightlife editorial" is what the Seattle Times or, I guess, the Stranger would do in your newspapers. Central District News has an open contribution system that lets anybody post -- even slightly out of touch neighborhood groups. We do choose what makes the homepage, though. With the addition of Dave Meinert's response, this ended up as a pretty good read. Anyway, thanks for pointing to it.
Posted by jseattle http://capitolhillseattle.com on November 16, 2011 at 5:18 PM
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Can a publication that is paid mouthpiece for Seattle bar owners and staffed by alcoholics really be objective on this topic?
Posted by lush larue on November 16, 2011 at 5:21 PM
jseattle 4
Wait, @3, I'm totally sober. Right now.

One more thing, you can meet the eastpac people live in person at their next meeting on December 8 http://eastpac.org/

The precinct brings out the brass for the meetings so it's a pretty good chance to get SPD's ear.
Posted by jseattle http://capitolhillseattle.com on November 16, 2011 at 5:29 PM
Fnarf 5
The entire nightlife problem could be solved by periodically filling every bar in Fremont full of poison gas at, say, 1:30 AM. Most of the rest of the city can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, but there's just no excuse for Fremont.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on November 16, 2011 at 5:29 PM
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I'm seriously afraid of the scene in the pike/pine triangle if whatever plan implemented created a late-night alcohol scene here. I have nightmarish visions of people coming in from Kent, Des Moines, Etc. Because they don't have such a liberal nightlife policy. I understand the urge here, but I can't help but be afraid of the refugee situation. It is already bad enough, and I can't believe they're trying to spin it like it would get better. Please... Meinert, of course, loves the idea of the hordes driving in and drinking at 1:45, but I don't.
Posted by Eastpike on November 16, 2011 at 5:52 PM
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Should we really be trusting the SPD to tell us about safety after all we've seen lately? Really?

And CDN seems to have their finger on the pulse of the issue, unlike the alcoholics at the Stranger.
Posted by suddenlyorcas on November 16, 2011 at 6:02 PM
Catalina Vel-DuRay 8
Just a bunch of Seattle neopuritans, twisting their pearls and having a bad case of the "what ifs?"

They're the reason why I never, ever expected the liquor privatization bill to pass. Hopefully, their influence is waning.

Let the bars stay open all night, and let them have strippers and porn.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on November 16, 2011 at 6:45 PM
Fnarf 9
@8, I'm OK with booze, strippers and porn; it's frat boys I'm afraid of.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on November 16, 2011 at 7:03 PM
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I work at a popular bar on Pike and at last call people are so intoxicated I worry about their safety and getting home okay and refuse service to several people. I could use the extra cash, don't get me wrong, but people would probably continue to party, more drugs, more fights, etc.
Posted by freddykrugarmellencamp on November 16, 2011 at 7:28 PM
Catalina Vel-DuRay 11
Fnarf dear, I'll grant you that Seattle Frat Boys are certainly not the frat boys I knew back in Iowa City. (Iowa City frat boys were interested in beer bongs and sexual experimentation. Seattle frat boys seem to be mostly interested in street fights) .

However, as a former bar employee, I think the late closing serves a very good purpose: instead of sending a whole bunch of drunk bores, who probably just pounded two shots at last call, out in the street all at once, you are letting those same bores leave on a flexible schedule, without the pressure of a last call. If they get too drunk and obnoxious, they'll get 86'd on an individual basis. If not, they'll wind the evening down on their own.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on November 16, 2011 at 7:46 PM
Phoebe on NE 79th 12
@8 - I suppose, but going home from after sunrise always made me feel dirty and creepy back in my great liver years.
Posted by Phoebe on NE 79th on November 16, 2011 at 7:51 PM
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Ms. Vel-DuRay,

Sad to say, you must have met different frat boys than I did in Iowa City. Now the Engineering Department....
Posted by M. Wells on November 16, 2011 at 8:24 PM
Catalina Vel-DuRay 14
It's MRS Vel-DuRay, dear......

And I spent HOURS in the Engineering Building (KSUI: Classical Radio for Eastern Iowa and WSUI: News and Information for Eastern Iowa) with not even a come-hither glance. I guess that's just the way things work, isn't it?

But I'll always cherish the Summer of 1990 and the boys at the TKE house.....
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on November 16, 2011 at 11:08 PM
Cato the Younger Younger 15
I work with former frat boys at an engineering firm and the only thing they have interest in are beer bongs, even in their late 20's and 30's. An annoying bunch to say the least who lack charm wit and brains.

But it is fun to watch them turn from somewhat attractive fresh college graduates into pudgy balding middle age men.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on November 17, 2011 at 1:34 AM

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